Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!

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I ovdje rakete :D
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na djeziri i IDF i hamas prikazuju video snimke njihovih akcija
na hamsovim video snimcima se vidi kako skidaju izraelske vojnike snjperima i aktiviraju jake mine gdje se njihovi vojnici nalaze,tako da je vrlo upitno koliko ima istine u onome sto IDF javlja o njihovim gubitcima
i IDF jos nije pravo se usudio da udje u gradove,zasad se drze otvorenih povrsina gdje su u prednosti radi tenkova i avijacije
ali ako udju u gradove,tad gube tu prednost i doci ce i do vecih zrtava na njihovoj strani

katastrofa koliko je civila poginulo,danas su pogodili tri UN skole i ubili 40 civila,iako je UN dao im koordinate tih lokacija
IDF se pravda da je hamas sa tih lokacija ispaljivao rakete,sto je ocigledan laz
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venecuela istjerala izraelskog ambasadora i sve sluzbenike ambasade
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upravo sad se javio uzivo ucitelj koji radi u toj skoli i zivi u blizini i tvrdi da uopste nema hamasovih boraca u tom kraju,niti u skoli
i sve borbe se vode na samoj granici gaze sa izraelom,i da su svi hamasovi borci van naseljenih mjesta i bore se sa IDFom
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ld wrote:venecuela istjerala izraelskog ambasadora i sve sluzbenike ambasade
LOL

E hvalim te boze nek' neko ima muda poduzeti nesto konkretno, makar i simbolicno. :thumbup:
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ld wrote:venecuela istjerala izraelskog ambasadora i sve sluzbenike ambasade
Aferim!
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Predsjedniku Hugi Chavezu skidam kapu!
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visocicaguy wrote:Zna li ko kakve su ovo naprave? Kakvo im je dejstvo? Vidio sam na snimcima da ekplodiraju nekih 100-tinjak metara iznad povrsine i komadi padaju na tlo... o cemu se radi?

http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotos ... cle=599363

http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,1395496,00.jpg
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An Israeli soldier sits near artillery shells just outside the northern Gaza Strip January 5, 2009
M825 white phosphorus. The M825 WP projectile is an FA-delivered 155-mm base-ejection projectile designed to produce a smoke screen on the ground for a duration of 5 to 15 minutes. It consists of two major components--the projectile carrier and the payload. The projectile carrier delivers the payload to the target. The payload consists of 116 WP-saturated felt wedges. The smoke screen is produced when a predetermined fuze action causes ejection of the payload from the projectile. After ejection, the WP-saturated felt wedges in the payload fall to the ground in an elliptical pattern. Each wedge then becomes a point or source of smoke. The M825 is ballistically similar to the M483A1 (DPICM) family of projectiles.
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/smoke.htm
The M825A1 White Phosphorus shell deploys 116 WP impregnated felt wedges that provide screening for about 5-10 minutes over a 125-250 meter area that obscures enemy vision or screens maneuvering elements. It deploys about 12.75 lbs of White Phosphorus impregnated felt wedges, and weighs about 102 lbs.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... s/m825.htm

White Phosphorus Demil '07 (pdf)


Egypt announces plan for immediate Gaza truce (Haaretz)
Egypt announces Israel-Palestinian ceasefire plan (Reuters)

Navodo su Izraelci od USA tražili da se gradi zid na granici Gaza-Egipat koji bi išao duboko pod zemlju i tako zatvorio tunele i krijumčarenje oružja. Ako se dogovore to bi skoro moglo značiti primirje. Nemam izvor za to.
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ld wrote:upravo sad se javio uzivo ucitelj koji radi u toj skoli i zivi u blizini i tvrdi da uopste nema hamasovih boraca u tom kraju,niti u skoli
i sve borbe se vode na samoj granici gaze sa izraelom,i da su svi hamasovi borci van naseljenih mjesta i bore se sa IDFom
Zanimljivo tebi niko neće reći da "ne vidiš istinu jer samo gledaš Al Jazeeru".

Hamas je jako dobro poznat da koristi civile kao žive štitove i to prešućuju samo kad im odgovara. Gaza 29 Oct. 2007

Hamas Militants and Weapons in Urban Gaza Hit by Israel Air Force 6 Jan. 2009

Kad nešto tvrdite bilo bi fino da napišete izvor.
Kad bi svi samo ovako emocionalno reagirali gdje bi bio kraj?
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Hamas je produžena ruka Izraela, pokret koji je formirao MOSSAD, kako bi oslabio utjecaj FATAHA. Naravno izraelskim jastrebovima odgovaraju fundamentalisti, jer im uvijek mogu dati povod za iživljavanje. :x :x :x
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Drvosjeca iz Dejcica wrote:
ld wrote:venecuela istjerala izraelskog ambasadora i sve sluzbenike ambasade
LOL

E hvalim te boze nek' neko ima muda poduzeti nesto konkretno, makar i simbolicno. :thumbup:
Izgleda da Hugo jedini na svijetu(za sada)skonta da sve sto zidovi zamisle,ameri urade :mrgreen:
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Kjajević Majko wrote:
ld wrote:upravo sad se javio uzivo ucitelj koji radi u toj skoli i zivi u blizini i tvrdi da uopste nema hamasovih boraca u tom kraju,niti u skoli
i sve borbe se vode na samoj granici gaze sa izraelom,i da su svi hamasovi borci van naseljenih mjesta i bore se sa IDFom
Zanimljivo tebi niko neće reći da "ne vidiš istinu jer samo gledaš Al Jazeeru".

Hamas je jako dobro poznat da koristi civile kao žive štitove i to prešućuju samo kad im odgovara. Gaza 29 Oct. 2007

Hamas Militants and Weapons in Urban Gaza Hit by Israel Air Force 6 Jan. 2009

Kad nešto tvrdite bilo bi fino da napišete izvor.
Kad bi svi samo ovako emocionalno reagirali gdje bi bio kraj?
djezira i bbc su vjerovatno zasad najobjektivniji mediji
po tebi ja bi treba da pratim sta ovi ispod pisu i da naglasim da djezira ima jedine reportere u samoj gazi,nisam siguran za bbc,mada su i oni ubacivali javljanje njihovih reportera iz gaze

i ti meni hoces da kazes da je izvjestavanje cnn ili neke druge agencije koje je pro-izraelsko objektivno,a nemaju ni jednog reportera u gazi,vec sa sigurne udaljenosti sa izraelske strane ,,objektivno,, izvjestavaju o preciznoj i selektivnoj vatri idf-a

i oni snimci ubijene djece,staraca,zena su sigurno po tebi foto-montaza
fuj,steta sto nema smajlija koji povraca

Almost as soon as the first Israeli missile struck the Gaza Strip, a veteran cheering squad suited up to support the home team. "Israel is so scrupulous about civilian life," Charles Krauthammer claimed in the Washington Post. Echoing Krauthammer, Alan Dershowitz called the Israeli attack on Gaza, "Perfectly 'Proportionate.'" And in the New York Times, Israeli historian Benny Morris described his country's airstrikes as "highly efficient."

While the cheerleaders testified to the superior moral fiber of their team, the Palestinian civilian death toll mounted. Israeli missiles tore at least fifteen Palestinian police cadets to shreds at a graduation ceremony, blew twelve worshipers to pieces (including six children) while they left evening prayers at a mosque, flattened the elite American International School, killed five sisters while they slept in their beds, and liquidated 9 women and children in order to kill a single Hamas leader. So far, Israeli forces have killed at least 500 Gazans and wounded some two thousand, including hundreds of children. Yesterday, the IDF blanketed parts of Gaza with white phosphorus, a chemical weapon Saddam Hussein once deployed against Kurdish rebels.

"It was Israel at its best," Yossi Klein Halevi declared in the New Republic.

By New Year's Day, Israel's cheering squad had turned the opinion pages of major American newspapers into their own personal romper room. Of all the editorial contributions published by the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, and the New York Times since the Israel's war on Gaza began, to my knowledge only one offered a skeptical view of the assault. But that editorial, by Israeli novelist David Grossman, contained not a single word about the Palestinian casualties of IDF attacks. Even while calling for a cease fire, Grossman promised, "We can always start shooting again."

Israeli public relations agents fanned out to broadcast studios from the US to Europe, fulfilling an aggressive strategy conceived after the country's catastrophic 2006 attack on Lebanon. An analysis by Israel's foreign ministry of eight hours of coverage across international broadcast media concluded that Israeli representatives received a whopping 58 minutes of airtime compared to only 19 minutes for Palestinians. "Quite a few outlets are very favorable to Israel, namely by showing [its] suffering. I am sure it is a result of the new co-ordination," said Major Avital Leibovich, an IDF spokesperson who has become a fixture on cable news in the past weeks.

But while Israel's PR machine cranked its Mighty Wurlitzer to full blast, drowning out all opposing voices with its droning sound, a surprisingly substantial portion of the American public decided to dance to its own tune. According to a December 31 Rasmussen poll (so far the only measure of US opinion on the Gaza assault), while Americans remained overwhelmingly supportive of Israel, they were split almost evenly on the question of whether Israel should attack Gaza -- 44% in favor of the assault and 41% against it. The internals are even more remarkable.

While Republicans supported the assault on Gaza by a large margin, a predictable finding, only 31% of Democrats did. Members of the Democratic base thus stood in sharp contrast to most of their elected representatives (freshman Rep. Donna Edwards is a notable exception), who backed the latest Israeli assault in lockstep, and seem to support Israel no matter what it does. The rift between the progressive base and the party played out on Barack Obama's Change.gov site, which was deluged in recent days with demands for a statement condemning Israel's assault on Gaza.

So what accounts for the surprising trend in American opinion on Gaza? The proliferation of progressive online media and social networking sites could be a factor, but I have another theory: The same pundits who are cheerleading Israel's assault on Gaza once sold the occupation of Iraq to America, and with a nearly identical set of arguments. In their voices and those of the grim Israeli PR agents carted out for cable news, many Americans hear echoes of the Bush administration's most fantastical lies. When they see images of Gazans under withering bombardment, they flash back to Fallujah and the assorted horrors of Iraq. When they look at Israel, they see themselves during the darkest days of the Bush era.

Now, an increasing share of Americans know what Israel is doing to Gaza. And they reject it, even when Israel is "at its best."
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Može li ovaj sukob Izraela i Hamasa izaći izvan granica Gaze ... ?

Al-Qa'ida poziva na napade
Zbog izraelskoga je napada na Gazu dozapovjednik Al-Qa'ide Ayman al-Zawahiri u internetskoj poruci pozvao je muslimane da udare na zapadne i izraelske ciljeve diljem svijeta. Udarite na interese cionista i križara kako god znate, poručio je.
http://www.hrt.hr/index.php?id=48&tx_tt ... 8ba904896b
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Kjajević Majko wrote:
ld wrote:upravo sad se javio uzivo ucitelj koji radi u toj skoli i zivi u blizini i tvrdi da uopste nema hamasovih boraca u tom kraju,niti u skoli
i sve borbe se vode na samoj granici gaze sa izraelom,i da su svi hamasovi borci van naseljenih mjesta i bore se sa IDFom
Zanimljivo tebi niko neće reći da "ne vidiš istinu jer samo gledaš Al Jazeeru".

Hamas je jako dobro poznat da koristi civile kao žive štitove i to prešućuju samo kad im odgovara. Gaza 29 Oct. 2007

Hamas Militants and Weapons in Urban Gaza Hit by Israel Air Force 6 Jan. 2009

Kad nešto tvrdite bilo bi fino da napišete izvor.
Kad bi svi samo ovako emocionalno reagirali gdje bi bio kraj?
i upravo su prikazali snimke na djiziri hamsaovih boraca
na jednomsnimku su skinuli snajperom izraelca na tenku
na drugom su jedno odjeljene idf izrokali jakim eksplozijama na vrhu jednog manjeg brda i pazi sad
sva ta desavanja su van stambenih naselja,na otvorenom,kao sto i onaj ucitelj tvrdi kad se javio
nema govora o civilima kao zivom stitu,ovdje se radi o namjernom gadjanju civila u gazi od strane cionistickih fasista,kao sto su i cetnici oko sarajeva ciljali i ubijali namjerno civile,djecu,zene,nikakve razlike nema izmedju cetnika i cionista
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Ispade ultra ljevicar tj. Komunista,jedini koji je bas otvoreno stao na stranu Palestinaca :-) :D
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Samo hoću da kažem da pogledaš šta i ostali pišu. Za mene je objektivno ono što pogledam na više izvora i provjerim.

Da mi je bar sve tako jednostavno ko tebi.
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homo_sapiens wrote:Može li ovaj sukob Izraela i Hamasa izaći izvan granica Gaze ... ?

Al-Qa'ida poziva na napade
Zbog izraelskoga je napada na Gazu dozapovjednik Al-Qa'ide Ayman al-Zawahiri u internetskoj poruci pozvao je muslimane da udare na zapadne i izraelske ciljeve diljem svijeta. Udarite na interese cionista i križara kako god znate, poručio je.
http://www.hrt.hr/index.php?id=48&tx_tt ... 8ba904896b

Tesko, moze biti nekih napada na sinagoge u svijetu, ka sto je sinoc cini mi se bili, i to je to. Eventualno neka zemlja da istjera ambasadora ali to je vrhunac borbe izvan Gaze. Da se moze prosiriti prosirilo bi se prvo na Zapadnu Obalu ili Libanon.
Hamas i A-Q se ne podnose. A-Q je nudila da dodje u Gazu i bori se, medjutim Hamas je odbio. Desilo se prije ove agresije.
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vidio sam one snimke hamasa, ali iz njih se nista nije vidilo, niti da je vojnik skinut niti da je odjeljenje izrokano. istina, snimljen je tenk, ali nista se ne desava.
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evo vijece sigurnosti live na cnn
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Kjajević Majko wrote:
ld wrote:upravo sad se javio uzivo ucitelj koji radi u toj skoli i zivi u blizini i tvrdi da uopste nema hamasovih boraca u tom kraju,niti u skoli
i sve borbe se vode na samoj granici gaze sa izraelom,i da su svi hamasovi borci van naseljenih mjesta i bore se sa IDFom
Zanimljivo tebi niko neće reći da "ne vidiš istinu jer samo gledaš Al Jazeeru".

Hamas je jako dobro poznat da koristi civile kao žive štitove i to prešućuju samo kad im odgovara. Gaza 29 Oct. 2007

Hamas Militants and Weapons in Urban Gaza Hit by Israel Air Force 6 Jan. 2009

Kad nešto tvrdite bilo bi fino da napišete izvor.
Kad bi svi samo ovako emocionalno reagirali gdje bi bio kraj?


I na CNN-u je bilo javljanje doktora iz Gaze, i humanitaraca iz HRF-a ali poslije toga 5 minuta duze javljanje sa granice Gaze gdje se govori o unistavanju Hamasa i drugim ublehama.

Ako poslije ovih skola ne urade nesto onda stvarno je gotovo.
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Topla voda wrote:evo vijece sigurnosti live na cnn
..da se nisu nedaj boze nasikirali ? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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karanana wrote:vidio sam one snimke hamasa, ali iz njih se nista nije vidilo, niti da je vojnik skinut niti da je odjeljenje izrokano. istina, snimljen je tenk, ali nista se ne desava.
e je....
sta si ti gledao onda
tip stoji na tenku,cuje se pucanj i samo se skljoka i to par puta su ponovili
drugi snimak,tacno se vide vojnici kako hodaju po brdu i poslije par pravo jakih eksplozija,nema snase da su ostali zivi
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onda nisam dobro vidio. moram opet sacekati i pogledati, valjda ce pustiti opet kad ovi ublehashi iz ove nepotrebne organizacije zvane UN zavrse sa svoijm glupostima.

evo ima snimak na jazeeri. http://english.aljazeera.net/

ne znam, nesto mi nije ovaj snimak bas 100%, ali mozda i jeste.
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Soul_Sista wrote:
Topla voda wrote:evo vijece sigurnosti live na cnn
..da se nisu nedaj boze nasikirali ? :lol: :lol: :lol:
ma jasta su kako nisu. pokvarili im novogodisnje praznike. :D da nije ovog jos bi oni plandovali.

edit:
uvidjeh da napisah "mi" umjesto "im" :D :D
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ld wrote:venecuela istjerala izraelskog ambasadora i sve sluzbenike ambasade
Viva Hugo! Viva la revulution! :D

Njegov ministar veli da se u Gazi sprovodi genocid.
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