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#16551 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 10/03/2021 10:58
by hadzinicasa
ne treba, imam ogledalo :D

#16552 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 10/03/2021 11:00
by breuer
Zatvori prolaz za trule moraliste
Zatvori prolaz za rogonje
Zatvori prolaz za feministe
Zatvori prolaz za sve

#16553 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 10/03/2021 11:03
by saint_mirad
Postoje žene koje su pre feminizma bile baš jako zgodne, ali su onda uele feminism pill i proružnile se. 😞
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Treći talas feminizma je zapravo destruktivan po žensku energiju i autentičnu ženstvenost.

#16554 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 10/03/2021 11:22
by The 51st State
sherbett wrote: 10/03/2021 11:11
saint_mirad wrote: 10/03/2021 11:03 Postoje žene koje su pre feminizma bile baš jako zgodne, ali su onda uele feminism pill i proružnile se. 😞
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Treći talas feminizma je zapravo destruktivan po žensku energiju i autentičnu ženstvenost.
Strava
jedna za rukice, druga za zrceta :D

#16555 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 10/03/2021 11:32
by hadzinicasa
cista stereotipizacija, koja veze nema sa stvarnoscu...

https://link.springer.com/article/10.10 ... 018-0931-7
Many people hold negative stereotypes about feminists. Verbally, feminist women are often described in masculine terms whereas feminist men tend to be described in feminine terms. Here, we demonstrate that these effects extend to a fundamental perceptual level, more specifically, to the domain of face perception even in Norway, the most gender-egalitarian country of the world. Four studies were conducted using a data-driven reverse-correlation technique to test how feminist women and men are visually represented. In Studies 1 (n = 123) and 2 (n = 61), Norwegians had more masculine-looking and less feminine-looking visual representations of feminist women as compared to women with moderate gender-related beliefs or other activist identities (i.e., the control conditions). These effects, which were particularly pronounced among male participants and those with stronger hostile sexist beliefs, further explained why feminist women were perceived as threatening. In Studies 3 (n = 131) and 4 (n = 74), participants had a less masculine-looking visual representation of feminist men as compared to the control condition. This effect was especially pronounced among female participants. In addition, effects were again moderated by hostile sexism, such that participants with stronger hostile sexist beliefs visualized the feminist man as less masculine than the man in the control condition. In sum, the results suggest that people have asymmetrically gendered visual representations of feminist women and men. Feminist women are visually represented as more masculine whereas the opposite is true for feminist men. We discuss our findings in light of women’s and men’s reluctance to identify as feminists and suggest potential interventions to change biased visual representations of feminists.

i obrazlozenje korjena antagonizma prema feminizmu tako srcano iskazanog na ovoj temi. u strahu su veeeeeeeeeeelike oci.
Although the feminist movement, above all, is a political movement for women, it has indisputable implications for the lives of men. A key principle of feminism holds that gender relations are power relations, which suggest that any advance in the position of women must, in some sense, be offset by a reduction of the power and influence exerted by men (Ruthig et al. 2016; Segal 1990). Heath (1987, p. 6) argued that feminism “makes things unsafe for men, unsettles assumed positions [and] undoes given identities.” However, not only men may feel threatened by feminism. For instance, women who endorse traditional gender roles may perceive feminists as undermining their gender identities (Glick and Fiske 1997). It may therefore be unsurprising that both men and women often feel threatened by feminism, leading them to confront and challenge it.

#16556 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 10/03/2021 11:35
by 88Sioux
Traži da se Pepe le Tvor ukine zbog seksualnog uznemiravanja

Voljeni junak Pepe le Tvor možda će naići na svoj kraj nakon što je kolumnista Njujork tajmsa zatražio od produkcijske kuće Vorner Bros da zauvek raskrsti sa "francuskim crtanim ljubavnikom" jer svojim ponašanjem iz epizode u epizodu opravdava seksualno uznemiravanje.

Pepe le Tvor, sa druge strane, stalno je prikazan kako pokušava da osvoji mačku Penelopu prema kojoj gaji simpatije, a ona u svakoj epizodi odbija njegove nasrtaje od kojih popularni tvor ne odustaje, te novinar smatra da ovaj lik podržava narativ o silovanju i seksualnom uznemiravanju u seriji čija su ciljna grupa deca i mladi.

Iako Vorner Bros nije dao zvanično saopštenje povodom ovih kritika, mnogi veruju da im nije preostalo ništa drugo u "klimi političke korektnosti" nego da ukinu junaka koji je prvi put emitovan 1945. godine.

#16557 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 10/03/2021 11:36
by saint_mirad
hadzinicasa wrote: 10/03/2021 11:32 cista stereotipizacija, koja veze nema sa stvarnoscu...

https://link.springer.com/article/10.10 ... 018-0931-7
Many people hold negative stereotypes about feminists. Verbally, feminist women are often described in masculine terms whereas feminist men tend to be described in feminine terms. Here, we demonstrate that these effects extend to a fundamental perceptual level, more specifically, to the domain of face perception even in Norway, the most gender-egalitarian country of the world. Four studies were conducted using a data-driven reverse-correlation technique to test how feminist women and men are visually represented. In Studies 1 (n = 123) and 2 (n = 61), Norwegians had more masculine-looking and less feminine-looking visual representations of feminist women as compared to women with moderate gender-related beliefs or other activist identities (i.e., the control conditions). These effects, which were particularly pronounced among male participants and those with stronger hostile sexist beliefs, further explained why feminist women were perceived as threatening. In Studies 3 (n = 131) and 4 (n = 74), participants had a less masculine-looking visual representation of feminist men as compared to the control condition. This effect was especially pronounced among female participants. In addition, effects were again moderated by hostile sexism, such that participants with stronger hostile sexist beliefs visualized the feminist man as less masculine than the man in the control condition. In sum, the results suggest that people have asymmetrically gendered visual representations of feminist women and men. Feminist women are visually represented as more masculine whereas the opposite is true for feminist men. We discuss our findings in light of women’s and men’s reluctance to identify as feminists and suggest potential interventions to change biased visual representations of feminists.

i obrazlozenje korjena antagonizma prema feminizmu tako srcano iskazanog na ovoj temi. u strahu su veeeeeeeeeeelike oci.
Although the feminist movement, above all, is a political movement for women, it has indisputable implications for the lives of men. A key principle of feminism holds that gender relations are power relations, which suggest that any advance in the position of women must, in some sense, be offset by a reduction of the power and influence exerted by men (Ruthig et al. 2016; Segal 1990). Heath (1987, p. 6) argued that feminism “makes things unsafe for men, unsettles assumed positions [and] undoes given identities.” However, not only men may feel threatened by feminism. For instance, women who endorse traditional gender roles may perceive feminists as undermining their gender identities (Glick and Fiske 1997). It may therefore be unsurprising that both men and women often feel threatened by feminism, leading them to confront and challenge it.
Bukvalno si postavila studiju koja dokazuje ovo što pričamo. I to u egalitaranoj Norveškoj. :D

#16558 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 10/03/2021 11:37
by The 51st State
antifeminiisticki sentiment je u osnovi feministicki jer feminizam je u osnovi protiv zena.

#16559 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 10/03/2021 12:54
by piupiu
¤ jelena ¤ wrote: 10/03/2021 05:05
piupiu wrote: 10/03/2021 03:09
Nowicki wrote: 09/03/2021 13:55

Tu se definitivno slažem. I baš zato mu treba feminizam, to ide ruku pod ruku.
Pa može se i tako gledati na to, samo previše je razudjen i raznorodan taj pokret za tako nešto. Kao feministkinja, primjećujem da je u tom pogledu na svijet opet žena ta koju ovdje predstavljaju kao biblijsku Evu, vazda žene bere jabuke... čudna mi je ta slika svijeta u kojoj se žena, iz koje se radja svijet, stalno pojavljuje kao negativac.
Jeste čudno, no.... možda se i za to može naći neko objašnjenje.

Kad je pojedinac nezadovoljan sobom, svojim životom i načinom na koji je ustrojen svijet koji živi, uvijek je za to prvo kriv onaj ko ga je u sve to uvalio tj. ćušnuo iliti... na taj svijet donio bez ikakvog upita slobodne volje..je l'. Zahvalnost i poštovanje za sve dato dolazi mnogo kasnije....To je osobina i vrijednost koja se stiče ličnim uspjehom i zadovoljstvom za koje se, tim datim i time što se ima, čovjek mora izboriti, a to je teško i traje dugo. Neuporedivo kraći i lakši je put osude i nametanja krivice drugom, u ovom slučaju ženi, pa je to nešto što dominira i postaje masovno.

Malo zakukuljih :D ali valjda je jasno.
Rekao je jedan moj drug, roker-bauštelac: "Mi smo, bona, od ljubomore što žena stvara život na Mjesec otišli!" :mrgreen:

#16560 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 10/03/2021 13:26
by saint_mirad
Rekao je jedan moj drug, roker-bauštelac: "Mi smo, bona, od ljubomore što žena stvara život na Mjesec otišli!" :mrgreen:
Novi feminizam odvlači žene od svetosti davanja novog života narativom da žene nisu hodajući inkubatori. Sve što ima lepo oko ženskog principa oni hoće da pervertiraju.

#16561 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 10/03/2021 13:27
by murga225883
hadzinicasa wrote: 10/03/2021 10:55 wrong.
samo tvoje prizemne predrasude.
Ne u pravu je, ne mozes biti feministkinja a ne takmiciti se sa muskarcom.

#16562 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 10/03/2021 13:31
by hadzinicasa
ne pada mi na pamet, kao feministkinji da se takmicim s muskarcima.

#16563 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 10/03/2021 13:33
by saint_mirad
hadzinicasa wrote: 10/03/2021 13:31 ne pada mi na pamet, kao feministkinji da se takmicim s muskarcima.
U poslovnom svetu ti to ne gine ako hoćeš da napredujes u hijerarhiji.

#16564 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 10/03/2021 13:37
by hadzinicasa
saint_mirad wrote: 10/03/2021 13:33
hadzinicasa wrote: 10/03/2021 13:31 ne pada mi na pamet, kao feministkinji da se takmicim s muskarcima.
U poslovnom svetu ti to ne gine ako hoćeš da napredujes u hijerarhiji.
Zasto?

#16565 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 10/03/2021 13:43
by saint_mirad
hadzinicasa wrote: 10/03/2021 13:37
saint_mirad wrote: 10/03/2021 13:33
hadzinicasa wrote: 10/03/2021 13:31 ne pada mi na pamet, kao feministkinji da se takmicim s muskarcima.
U poslovnom svetu ti to ne gine ako hoćeš da napredujes u hijerarhiji.
Zasto?
Jer su takva pravila igre. Niko ti nece pokloniti neko unapređenje ako se ne izboris za njega. A da bi se izborila, moraš se i boriti. Većina kolektiva ima uposlene žene i muškarce, pa ćeš se takmičiti i sa muškarcima, logično.

#16566 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 10/03/2021 13:47
by hadzinicasa
saint_mirad wrote: 10/03/2021 13:43
hadzinicasa wrote: 10/03/2021 13:37
saint_mirad wrote: 10/03/2021 13:33

U poslovnom svetu ti to ne gine ako hoćeš da napredujes u hijerarhiji.
Zasto?
Jer su takva pravila igre. Niko ti nece pokloniti neko unapređenje ako se ne izboris za njega. A da bi se izborila, moraš se i boriti. Većina kolektiva ima uposlene žene i muškarce, pa ćeš se takmičiti i sa muškarcima, logično.
pa "takmicila" sam se sa svima koji su pretendirali na moju poziciju. a mozda su zbog mene i napravili poziciju. mozda prije mene nije ni bilo pozicije, pa time ni konkurencije, pa sam bez konkurencije i ne trba mi takmicenje ni dokazivanje. svasta ima u poslovnom svijetu.

#16567 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 10/03/2021 13:51
by saint_mirad
Koliko nepotrebnih reči za signaliziranje pameti :roll:

#16568 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 10/03/2021 13:56
by WRecker
hadzinicasa wrote: 10/03/2021 13:31 ne pada mi na pamet, kao feministkinji da se takmicim s muskarcima.
Zar ne zelite jednakost

#16569 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 10/03/2021 14:21
by saint_mirad
WRecker wrote: 10/03/2021 13:56
hadzinicasa wrote: 10/03/2021 13:31 ne pada mi na pamet, kao feministkinji da se takmicim s muskarcima.
Zar ne zelite jednakost
One hoće ravnopravnost, što nije isto što i jednakost. Ali i kod ravnopravnosti ima takmičenja s muškarcima.

#16570 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 10/03/2021 14:24
by The 51st State
saint_mirad wrote: 10/03/2021 14:21
WRecker wrote: 10/03/2021 13:56
hadzinicasa wrote: 10/03/2021 13:31 ne pada mi na pamet, kao feministkinji da se takmicim s muskarcima.
Zar ne zelite jednakost
One hoće ravnopravnost, što nije isto što i jednakost. Ali i kod ravnopravnosti ima takmičenja s muškarcima.
Ravnopravnos ali ono sto ja mislim da je ravnopravnost, nebuloza u startu

#16571 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 10/03/2021 14:28
by saint_mirad
The 51st State wrote: 10/03/2021 14:24
saint_mirad wrote: 10/03/2021 14:21
WRecker wrote: 10/03/2021 13:56

Zar ne zelite jednakost
One hoće ravnopravnost, što nije isto što i jednakost. Ali i kod ravnopravnosti ima takmičenja s muškarcima.
Ravnopravnos ali ono sto ja mislim da je ravnopravnost, nebuloza u startu
Ono gde je zabuna jeste što ravnopravnost podrazumeva jednakost prilika, a ne jednakost ishoda.

#16572 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 10/03/2021 14:29
by dale cooper
The 51st State wrote: 10/03/2021 11:22
sherbett wrote: 10/03/2021 11:11
saint_mirad wrote: 10/03/2021 11:03 Postoje žene koje su pre feminizma bile baš jako zgodne, ali su onda uele feminism pill i proružnile se. 😞
Image

Treći talas feminizma je zapravo destruktivan po žensku energiju i autentičnu ženstvenost.
Strava
jedna za rukice, druga za zrceta :D
Ovo je ono kada se na svaki način žele opravdati vlastiti stereotipi pa se i ne provjeri ono što se postavlja. :-)

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/3 ... ooks-like/

Ova žena gore na slici je glumica u seriji Orange Is The New Black u kojoj glumi nazi skinheadsicu.

#16573 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 10/03/2021 14:57
by The 51st State
dale cooper wrote: 10/03/2021 14:29
The 51st State wrote: 10/03/2021 11:22
sherbett wrote: 10/03/2021 11:11

Strava
jedna za rukice, druga za zrceta :D
Ovo je ono kada se na svaki način žele opravdati vlastiti stereotipi pa se i ne provjeri ono što se postavlja. :-)

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/3 ... ooks-like/

Ova žena gore na slici je glumica u seriji Orange Is The New Black u kojoj glumi nazi skinheadsicu.
ma jasta ti si epitom nepristrasnosti i objektivnosti bez objektivne osnove :)

#16574 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 10/03/2021 14:59
by The 51st State
saint_mirad wrote: 10/03/2021 14:28
The 51st State wrote: 10/03/2021 14:24
saint_mirad wrote: 10/03/2021 14:21

One hoće ravnopravnost, što nije isto što i jednakost. Ali i kod ravnopravnosti ima takmičenja s muškarcima.
Ravnopravnos ali ono sto ja mislim da je ravnopravnost, nebuloza u startu
Ono gde je zabuna jeste što ravnopravnost podrazumeva jednakost prilika, a ne jednakost ishoda.
zato nijedna feministica ne odgovara odakle im je pocetna osnova za svoje ideoloske ispade, samo floskulisanje i emocinalno trtljanje.

#16575 Re: Danasnji "feminizam"

Posted: 10/03/2021 15:04
by dale cooper
Nisam ja taj koji podmeće fikciju (bukvalno u ovom slučaju) kao fakte.