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ma ono je ba zmija :D :D daleko joj bijela kuca bila :D :D


Clinton Spins Her Donors
May 30, 2008
She claims recent national polls "consistently" show she'd win in November. That's not true.
Summary
The debt-strapped Clinton campaign is appealing for money with an e-mail telling potential donors that polls "consistently" show she would beat McCain in November, and that she's leading Obama in the popular vote. We find both claims are misleading.

A number of recent polls actually show Clinton tied with McCain, or even trailing. For most of 2008, polls have shown McCain ahead.


She can claim to have won more votes than Obama only by counting Michigan, a primary where Obama was not on the ballot and which Clinton once said "isn't going to count for anything."

Analysis
Have You Seen The Polls?


Sen. Hillary Clinton's fund-raising appeal is titled "Have you seen the polls?" It leads with a claim that "lately" polls "consistently" show she would win the general election:

Clinton: Have you seen the general election polls lately? They consistently show that we'll beat John McCain in November. In a national head-to-head match and in the critical swing states, the numbers show I'm the best candidate to take back the White House for Democrats.

Clinton exaggerates. Most recent national polls do show her doing better than Obama in head-to-head match-ups against Sen. John McCain, the Republican nominee-to-be. But they do not "consistently" show her ahead of McCain.

For example:

The bipartisan George Washington University "Battleground Poll" conducted May 11 through May 14 showed McCain trouncing Clinton 51 to 43. Obama did better, leading McCain 49 to 47.


The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll had Clinton exactly tied with McCain for 10 of the last 16 days, and leading on only 5 days. Furthermore her lead was never more than 4 points, while the poll's statistical margin of error is plus or minus 4 points. The poll had McCain leading 47 to 44 on May 22.


The Reuters/Zogby Poll released May 21 showed Clinton and McCain "essentially tied." Clinton led by 41 to 40, but that one-point lead was well within the poll's three-point margin of error.

Clinton would have been correct to say that some recent polls consistently show her leading McCain. The Gallup Daily has put her ahead of McCain throughout the month of May, for example. However, even in the most recent Gallup poll, for May 29, her lead had dwindled to only 2 points, which is also the poll's statistical margin of error. The same poll showed Obama also slightly ahead of McCain, 46 to 45.

And of course, even if all the polls did consistently show Clinton leading McCain in recent days – which they do not – she still would not be justified in saying that they "show that we'll beat John McCain in November." No poll can predict the future. And in fact, the polls show she's often been behind McCain in the past. The Web site Pollster.com tracks a variety of political polls and keeps a chart that attempts to consolidate the results, and it shows Clinton has actually been behind McCain for most of 2008. Obama isn't doing as well against McCain recently, but that hasn't always been true. Like Clinton, Obama has gone up and down, sometimes leading McCain and sometimes trailing.


"Our Popular Vote Lead"


Clinton's e-mail also repeats her frequently stated and misleading claim that she's winning the popular vote in the Democratic contests so far. She appeals for money saying, "We can win the nomination if we extend our popular vote lead." The problem with that statement is that Obama has gotten more votes than Clinton when totaling up all the contests in which they have both been on the ballot.

The political Web site Real Clear Politics has an excellent tally, with links to official reports from state election authorities. Those show that even counting Clinton's win in Florida, where the two were on the ballot but did not campaign due to the state's violation of party rules, Obama leads Clinton by 163,655 votes, or 0.5 percent nationally. Obama's lead grows to 273,877 votes, or 0.7 percent, when estimates are included for Iowa, Nevada, Maine and Washington, which have not released official totals of popular votes.

Only by counting Michigan, where Clinton was on the ballot but Obama was not, can Clinton claim to have won more votes. Counting only officially reported results, Michigan puts her total ahead nationally by 164,654 votes or 0.45 percent. But even that lead shrinks to 54,432 votes, or 0.15 percent, once estimated votes from the four non-reporting states are included.

For the record, Clinton hasn't always been so eager to count Michigan votes. On Oct. 11, 2007, she said of Michigan, "It's clear, this election they're having isn't going to count for anything." But that was when she was wooing New Hampshire voters, who cherish their first-in-the-nation primary and who were upset that Michigan was violating party rules designed to protect it. She was responding to an interviewer for New Hampshire Public Radio who asked, "So, if you value the DNC calendar, why not just pull out of Michigan? Why not just say, Hey Michigan, I'm off the ballot?" Clinton went on to win the New Hampshire primary.

-by Brooks Jackson

Update, June 2: After winning the Puerto Rico primary, Clinton said there was "no doubt" that she was winning the popular vote. But it still takes Michigan to put Clinton in the lead.
Sources
"BATTLEGROUND 34," results of poll conducted for George Washington University May 11-14, 2008 by The Tarrance Group and Lake Research Partners, released 22 May 2008.

Press Release, "Reuters/Zogby Poll: Obama Opens Double-digit Lead Over McCain in National Test" Zogby International 21 May 2008.

"Gallup Daily: Obama Back Up By Double-Digits," Gallup, Inc. 29 May 2008.

"2008 Democratic Popular Vote," Real Clear Politics, Web site accessed 30 May 2008.

The Associated Press, "Clinton Defends Michigan Ballot Stand," 11 Oct 2007.
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Kad smo vec kod VPa, sve se vise prica o Bobby, pardon, Piyushu Jindalu kao mogucem zamjeniku McCaina.

Jindal je mladi, super-duper-konzervativni, novi guverner Louisiane.

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Mislim da bi bio odlican izbor. :D LA je leglo korupcije, a ovaj kretenko je ono na nivou najgorih neocons.
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#1603 Re: Amerikanski izbori: Prajmariz

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ma moze ga mccain svima zabiti pa izabrati libermana :D :D :D
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Ma kakav on...

Bice jedan od ove trojice: Crist, Romney ili Jindal. :dance:

Mislim da mu je Crist :D najbolje rjesenje.
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#1605 Re: Amerikanski izbori: Prajmariz

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sto ba....ja bih i Mittonju volio :D bar neko sa biznis znanjem :D a poklali bi se sa nekonsima.....cuj da im mormon bude kandidat :D:D:D
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pitt wrote:sto ba....ja bih i Mittonju volio :D bar neko sa biznis znanjem :D a poklali bi se sa nekonsima.....cuj da im mormon bude kandidat :D:D:D
Nemoj, eto majke ti njega.

Svima che nam ga odreda :dance: .
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AP: Obama has delegates to clinch nomination
Tally follows Clinton sources saying she's ready to acknowledge

MSNBC staff and news service reports updated 14 minutes ago

CHICAGO - Barack Obama effectively clinched the Democratic presidential nomination Tuesday, the Associated Press reported, citing its tally of convention delegates. He would become the first black candidate ever to lead a major U.S. party into a fall campaign for the White House.

NBC News has been maintaining its own tally, which stood at Obama being 30.5 delegates short of the 2,118 needed.

The AP tally was based on public commitments from delegates as well as more than a dozen private commitments. It also included a minimum number of delegates Obama was guaranteed even if he lost the final two primaries in South Dakota and Montana later in the day.

ostatak teksta (da ne odugovlacim) http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24944453/
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:D

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:lol:

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Po CNNu Obama trenutno ima 2106 boba, a potrebno je 2118. Znaci jos 12, ludilo. :-)

To je mescini bez boba iz prajmariz u Montani i South Dakoti, koje ce vjerovatno pobjediti. Danas je bruka superdelegata, kako je i predvidjeno dala svoju pordsku Obami. Ocekuje se da ce do vecerasnjeg govora Obama preci prag.

Veceras i Hilka drzi govor, cijelo vrijeme govori kako nece odustati veceras, ali isto tako kako Obama nece veceras preci 2118. Vidjecemo za nekoliko sahati. Stay tuned. :P
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#1611 Re: Amerikanski izbori: Prajmariz

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ma helga je gotova :D
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Evo sad je na 2108. Ajmo sad, DESET, DEVET, OSAM..... uuuuiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii :kravata:



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jeza u ledja wrote:Evo sad je na 2108. Ajmo sad, DESET, DEVET, OSAM..... uuuuiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii :kravata:



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:D

Hocel' to vishe akobogda... :-D
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#1614 Re: Amerikanski izbori: Prajmariz

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On clinch nomination, a ona se kao jos neda, koprca. :?

Pa sta joj je, da nije republikanka :? :shock:

Ma nista, hoche ona da trchi za 4 godine ponovo i to je to.

Nije joj bitna ni partija, ni narod, ni drzava.

Stoka prava :evil:
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Eto ga ko gotovo! Evo Ed Randel vec prica o Hillary na NBC kao VP-ju. Iako ona kzaze da nece veceras nikakve odluke donosit mislim da ce sutra se povuci.
Cuo sam scenariji da bi mogla ici kao Secretary of State cak.
Ja bi licno volio ovakvu kombinaciju:
Obama
VP-Bill Richardson ili Clark
Sec. of State: Hillary
Nat. sec: Tony lake
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jefferson wrote:Eto ga ko gotovo! Evo Ed Randel vec prica o Hillary na NBC kao VP-ju. Iako ona kzaze da nece veceras nikakve odluke donosit mislim da ce sutra se povuci.
Cuo sam scenariji da bi mogla ici kao Secretary of State cak.
Ja bi licno volio ovakvu kombinaciju:
Obama
VP-Bill Richardson ili Clark
Sec. of State: Hillary
Nat. sec: Tony lake
I ja bih to volio vidjeti, ali nesto nisam bas optimista. Mislim da bi Obama bio dobar predsjednik ali ne vjerujem da je Amerika zrela za takvu promjenu. Da pojednostavim, Obama prije 30-40 godina ne bi smio pisati u pola americkih zahoda a sada da bude predsjednik!? Tesko. Tesko da ce pobijediti McCain-a i zbog vrlo cudnog americkog izbrnog sistema (i uopste dvopartijskog sistema, dakle duplo vise partija nego u Kini) u kojemu ne vazi pravilo jedan covjek jedan glas, pa je tako recimo Bush mogao pobijediti Gore-a. Ali pred nama je, nadam se da je ipak promjena moguca...
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Malo sa vecerasnjeg govora. :)

Jebiga zna odrzati govor pa to ti je.

Č E J N D Ž :)






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JELI GOTOVO ILI JE GOTOVO!
Narode AP je isuvise respektabilan subjekt da bi mogli donijeti pogrešnu vijest. Prema njima, Huso je prvi crni predsjednicki kandidat. Evo teksta:
AP: Obama Clinches Democratic Nomination

Tuesday, June 3, 2008 1:40 PM


WASHINGTON -- Barack Obama effectively clinched the Democratic presidential nomination Tuesday, based on an Associated Press tally of convention delegates, becoming the first black candidate ever to lead his party into a fall campaign for the White House.
Campaigning on an insistent call for change, Obama outlasted former first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton in a historic race that sparked record turnout in primary after primary, yet exposed deep racial divisions within the party.

The AP tally was based on public commitments from delegates as well as more than a dozen private commitments. It also included a minimum number of delegates Obama was guaranteed even if he lost the final two primaries in South Dakota and Montana later in the day.

The 46-year-old first term senator will face Sen. John McCain of Arizona in the fall campaign to become the 44th president.

Clinton was ready to concede that her rival had amassed the delegates needed to triumph, according to officials in her campaign. These officials said the New York senator did not intend to suspend or end her candidacy in a speech Tuesday night in New York. They spoke on condition of anonymity because they had not been authorized to divulge her plans.

Obama's triumph was fashioned on prodigious fundraising, meticulous organizing and his theme of change aimed at an electorate opposed to the Iraq war and worried about the economy _ all harnessed to his own innate gifts as a campaigner.

Clinton campaigned for months as the candidate of experience, a former first lady and second-term senator ready, she said, to take over on Day One.

But after a year on the trail, Obama won the kickoff Iowa caucuses on Jan. 3, and the 46-year-old, first-term Illinois senator became something of an overnight political phenomenon.

''We came together as Democrats, as Republicans and independents, to stand up and say we are one nation, we are one people and our time for change has come,'' he said that night in Des Moines.

A video produced by Will I. Am and built around Obama's ''Yes, we can'' rallying cry quickly went viral. It drew its one millionth hit within a few days of being posted.







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Dragom Husi, cestitke na nominaciji i maksuz selam od mene!!! :D :D :D A ako ona sebi izbunari VP, ja nemam rijeci...Ona bi Obami samo problem bila u administraciji, treba je sutnut' da se za nju vise nikad ne cuje. Kakav bezobrazan, drzak govor, pun nepostovanja...mislim od nje me nista ne iznenadjuje, ali je stvarno prevazisla samu sebe...
A Husin govor, svaka cast!!! Stvarno je orator prve klase.
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ono cega se ja svo ovo vrijeme bojim evo ima i "strucno" ime...Bradley Effect

mislim da smo to i mi iz ex-Yu i ex-BiH dijelom iskusili i bili svjedocima.... :roll:

jedino je nadati se da je za 26 godina US "konzervativnost" omeksala...sigurno da jeste ali bojim je samo do nivoa "gradonacelnika", nesto bash nisam siguran za Predsjednika...

zavisi kako se Obama bude odnosio sa "major decision makers"...njegove procjene i potezi na ovom polju moraju biti skoro bez greske da bi se imao necemu nadati...

ja licno nisam ubijedjen da ce on moci pobijediti McCain-a... :(

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Race, the presidency and the Bradley Effect

June 4, 2008 - 4:45PM

With Barack Obama on the brink of making history, the Democratic party is taking a calculated risk that Americans are ready to elect their first black president.

In a country where race remains a bitterly divisive issue, most political analysts are reluctant to openly discuss whether Obama's colour will prove a handicap to the party's hopes of recapturing the White House.

Primary season polls however clearly show that race remains a huge factor in the electoral landscape, says University of Washington psychologist and political analyst Anthony Greenwald.

Obama's Democratic rival Hillary Clinton defeated him by more than eight percentage points in nine out of 18 primaries, Greenwald said in a study published by the Pew Research Centre.

"It is evident ... not only that race is still strongly operative as a factor in America's state elections, but also that its impact depends in substantial part on the racial mixture of the state in question," he said.

Obama directly addressed race in a powerful speech in March, portraying a vision of a nation that might one day be at ease with itself. He has dismissed the idea that his race would play a role in the election.

But in US politics, the phenomenon even has a name - The Bradley Effect - named after former Los Angeles mayor Tom Bradley who was defeated in the race for California governor in 1982 even though he was well ahead in the polls.

Many voters told pollsters they had no problem with an African-American governor, but when the votes were counted it was clear they had lied.

"Race is very definitely, part of the white working class vote," Clay Richards, assistant director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute, said recently.

"How big a part it is, we don't know," he said. "There are older whites who cannot bring themselves to vote for a black candidate for president."

Even if Obama - the son of Kenyan man and a white woman from Kansas - has done better in many states with large African-American populations such as Georgia, South Carolina and Mississippi than the polls predicted, Greenwald remains pessimistic.

"I'm afraid the conclusion is that it's more likely that his race is a liability rather than an asset," he said.

Greenwald added: "Of course he has many assets to go along that liability."

Clinton appeared to be playing up race during the primaries by insisting she would be the strongest candidate to beat Republican John McCain in November, pointing to Obama's problems attracting working class white voters, and saying that only she could can win vital general election states like Ohio and Pennsylvania.

Political scientist Tom Schaller at the University of Maryland however is unswayed by that argument.

Those Americans who can't bring themselves to vote for an African-American are mostly hard-core conservatives, and unlikely to vote for a Democratic president, he said.

"To assume the Bradley effect will apply to him as it has in the past I think is incorrect," he told AFP.

Unlike the Clinton camp, Schaller believes no Democrat candidate can win traditional Republican strongholds in the south such as Kentucky, West Virginia or Tennessee in which the former first lady thumped Obama.

"He doesn't need those states," Schaller said. "He does need Ohio, and there are people in Ohio, and Pennsylvania, and Michigan that may not be able to pull the lever for him.

"The question is whether or not he'll get enough votes from other people to compensate. So he's electable, he has to thread the needle right. But I don't think his race is a disqualifier."

Schaller, who wrote a book arguing that Democrats can win the general election without the southern states, says this "will be the first election in American history where 25 per cent of votes will be cast by non-whites".

Among those are Hispanics, who voted overwhelmingly for Clinton in the primaries but are unlikely to vote Republican in November because of McCain's tough stance on immigration.

So Obama has high hopes of winning states in the southwest like Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada, where polls show him doing almost as well as Clinton against McCain.

"There isn't that much drop off, but he does much better (than Clinton) among independents out west who really decide those states," added Schaller.

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-Farsa-
Jos jedna farsa Kisindjerove doktrine.
Kao laik mogu da procijenim da za USA ne dolaze ruzicasti dani ,obasjani obiljem pod plastom velesile.Da ne spominjem silne probleme koji su se nagomilali zadnjih decinija,rekao bih samo da su konacno pritjerani uza zid da se suoce sa realnoscu ,da ce mnogim amerikancima postati jasnije u kakvom svijetu zive i realnost ce im postat jasnija.
Osvijescenje o kojem govorim bit ce bolno za mnoge,ono sto je bolnije od svega je cinjenica da krivci koji su doveli USA u ovaj polozaj nece biti na prijestolju da ih narod pljuje.Oni ce mudro prepustiti to mijesto nekome koga oni najvise mrze a ko ce biti drugi nego njihov bivsi rob,Africki crnac.Ovo se dalje po nekima moze nazvati (komplot teoriorijom),ali ja kad vidim onu zgurenu prikazu od Mceina pomislim, pa doista bi neko mogao biti lud kad bi vijerovo da USA nemaju nekog boljeg za funkciju predsjednika.
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sekiracija wrote:-Farsa-
Jos jedna farsa Kisindjerove doktrine.
Kao laik mogu da procijenim da za USA ne dolaze ruzicasti dani ,obasjani obiljem pod plastom velesile.Da ne spominjem silne probleme koji su se nagomilali zadnjih decinija,rekao bih samo da su konacno pritjerani uza zid da se suoce sa realnoscu ,da ce mnogim amerikancima postati jasnije u kakvom svijetu zive i realnost ce im postat jasnija.
Osvijescenje o kojem govorim bit ce bolno za mnoge,ono sto je bolnije od svega je cinjenica da krivci koji su doveli USA u ovaj polozaj nece biti na prijestolju da ih narod pljuje.Oni ce mudro prepustiti to mijesto nekome koga oni najvise mrze a ko ce biti drugi nego njihov bivsi rob,Africki crnac.Ovo se dalje po nekima moze nazvati (komplot teoriorijom),ali ja kad vidim onu zgurenu prikazu od Mceina pomislim, pa doista bi neko mogao biti lud kad bi vijerovo da USA nemaju nekog boljeg za funkciju predsjednika.
ne slazem se da ce prepustiti mjesto husi, naprotiv, mislim da su mnogi super-delegati "izgubili svjesno" birajuci obamu znajuci da nema sanse, jer ih se vecina ni ne zeli uhvatiti u kostac sa problemima nastalim od pocetka novog milenija.
zgureni logoras je perfektan kandidat za obje strane i nema boljeg jer ce umrijeti u pola terma i bit ce ono 'pojeo vuk magarca, vec se krenulo na teheran'.

mislim da bi hillary dobila puno vise glasova od huse kad bi se napravila mangup pa isla u novembru kao independent.
to bi najvjerovatnije znacilo landslide pobjedu za mccaina, koji dobija izbore u svakom slucaju i bez toga. :(
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Jedna slikica sa sinocnjeg govora.

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hik--meta wrote:
sekiracija wrote:-Farsa-
Jos jedna farsa Kisindjerove doktrine.
Kao laik mogu da procijenim da za USA ne dolaze ruzicasti dani ,obasjani obiljem pod plastom velesile.Da ne spominjem silne probleme koji su se nagomilali zadnjih decinija,rekao bih samo da su konacno pritjerani uza zid da se suoce sa realnoscu ,da ce mnogim amerikancima postati jasnije u kakvom svijetu zive i realnost ce im postat jasnija.
Osvijescenje o kojem govorim bit ce bolno za mnoge,ono sto je bolnije od svega je cinjenica da krivci koji su doveli USA u ovaj polozaj nece biti na prijestolju da ih narod pljuje.Oni ce mudro prepustiti to mijesto nekome koga oni najvise mrze a ko ce biti drugi nego njihov bivsi rob,Africki crnac.Ovo se dalje po nekima moze nazvati (komplot teoriorijom),ali ja kad vidim onu zgurenu prikazu od Mceina pomislim, pa doista bi neko mogao biti lud kad bi vijerovo da USA nemaju nekog boljeg za funkciju predsjednika.
ne slazem se da ce prepustiti mjesto husi, naprotiv, mislim da su mnogi super-delegati "izgubili svjesno" birajuci obamu znajuci da nema sanse, jer ih se vecina ni ne zeli uhvatiti u kostac sa problemima nastalim od pocetka novog milenija.
zgureni logoras je perfektan kandidat za obje strane i nema boljeg jer ce umrijeti u pola terma i bit ce ono 'pojeo vuk magarca, vec se krenulo na teheran'.

mislim da bi hillary dobila puno vise glasova od huse kad bi se napravila mangup pa isla u novembru kao independent.
to bi najvjerovatnije znacilo landslide pobjedu za mccaina, koji dobija izbore u svakom slucaju i bez toga. :(
Suti, ne sluti. :cry:
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joj hikmeta se ubila za FOX analiza :D
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