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mirsek wrote:Kad se stvori kriticna masa u narodu leti ko god da je na vlasti ma ko da ga podrzava od svjetskih sila, trenutno nema te kriticne mase u Iranu koliko god se ti napinjao i pokusao da dokazes da ima.
Kad je bila islamska revolucija bilo je kriticne mase i onda saha nije moglo da spasi ni 10 blagostanja, mini suknji, zapadnog zivota skinutih marama.
To sto je tebi neciji konzervativizam toliko odbojan da bi radije gledao nasilno ukidanje istog nego pustio da vecina odluci ili vremenom to promijeni to je opet do tebe.
Meni je najodbojnije od svega kada vecina tlaci manjinu.

Uvijek sam mrzio kada grupa ljudi udara jednog covjeka, kada covjek sa palicom nasrce na golorukog covjeka itd.

Iran je upravo takva zemlja i zbog toga mi je odbojan a ne zbog konzervatizma.
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#15952 Re: IRAN

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Kikibombona wrote:
mirsek wrote:Kad se stvori kriticna masa u narodu leti ko god da je na vlasti ma ko da ga podrzava od svjetskih sila, trenutno nema te kriticne mase u Iranu koliko god se ti napinjao i pokusao da dokazes da ima.
Kad je bila islamska revolucija bilo je kriticne mase i onda saha nije moglo da spasi ni 10 blagostanja, mini suknji, zapadnog zivota skinutih marama.
To sto je tebi neciji konzervativizam toliko odbojan da bi radije gledao nasilno ukidanje istog nego pustio da vecina odluci ili vremenom to promijeni to je opet do tebe.
Meni je najodbojnije od svega kada vecina tlaci manjinu.

Uvijek sam mrzio kada grupa ljudi udara jednog covjeka, kada covjek sa palicom nasrce na golorukog covjeka itd.

Iran je upravo takva zemlja i zbog toga mi je odbojan a ne zbog konzervatizma.
I na zapadu vecina tlaci manjinu, to se zove demokratija. Manjina moze da se pobuni, pa ce dobiti okupaj strit, kataloniju itd... :D
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Kurdistan do Teherana.
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#15954 Re: IRAN

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zrakomlat wrote:Kurdistan do Teherana.
Kurdistan do Isfahana, Azerbejdzan do Teherana! :thumbup:

Kazu Azeri cine trecinu stanovnistva u Teheranu. InshAllah, da Teheran bude glavni grad Velikog Azerbejdzana.
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#15955 Re: IRAN

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takozvani kiki puko ko kokica
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Problem Kurda u Iranu nisu Perzijanci, ili neki drugi iranski narod.
Oni su kroz historiju zajedno.
Problem Kurda, Perzijanaca, Azera je zajednicki, a to je nakaradan rezim koji vlada tom drzavom.
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#15957 Re: IRAN

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ioannes wrote:takozvani kiki
:lol:
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:lol:
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#15960 Re: IRAN

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Nadzornik wrote:Image
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Daj bolan nisu mogli da enduju protiv Iraka a da ne pricamo dalje :lol:
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#15961 Re: IRAN

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ta ce iran hadaljska perzija - bosnjakosrbozoidnocroatozoid reko.....

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#15962 Re: IRAN

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commendatore wrote:ta ce iran hadaljska perzija - bosnjakosrbozoidnocroatozoid reko.....

Ovo je 63 put da stavljate snimak ovih zalutalih :lol: , naravno to daje mjerilo ako dodje do oruzanog sukoba... sto su zarobili camac koji im je zalutao u teritorijalne vode.
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staviCEMO i 363. put - da VI sa posebnim potrebama shvatite kako iran nije drkadzijska drzava nego drzava koja je otvoreno stala na stranu RBIH na pocetku rata, otvoreno krsila sva embarga na oruzje rizikujuci svoj politicko-ekonomski polozaj i otvoreno podrzavala borbu za slobodu naroda koji je bio pred klanjem i istrebljenjem.....

mi smo za njih ni u rangu kurtona koliko smo im potrebni za njihov polozaj u svijetu a sve su rizikovali da nam pomognu....

zato zivio iran i ja na iran gledam sa posebnom blagonaklonoscu..... i zelim im sve najbolje od srca.... :thumbup:

gastal, ranisal, sode, i tako dalje - poslacu ti Euroekspresom....
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#15964 Re: IRAN

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commendatore wrote:staviCEMO i 363. put - da vi sa posebnim potrebama shvatite kako iran nije drkadzijska drzava nego drzava koja je otvoreno stala na stranu RBIH na pocetku rata, otvoreno krsila sva embarga na oruzje rizikujuci svoj politicko-ekonomski polozaj i otvoreno podrzavala borbu za slobodu naroda koji je bio pred klanjem i istrebljenjem.....

mi smo za njih ni u rangu kurtona koliko smo im potrebni za njihov polozaj u svijetu a sve su rizikovali da nam pomognu....

gastal, ranisal, sode, i tako dalje - poslacu ti Euroekspresom....
Posalji Iranekspresom :D , da nije bilo mrske ti Amerike znas kada bi to oruzije doslo u BiH preko Hrvatskih luka :wink:
Iran i Rusija bombarduju VRS i Srbiju.....










:wink:

Evo ti mozes sa njima da se boris protiv zavjere vatikana.
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славянин wrote:
commendatore wrote:staviCEMO i 363. put - da vi sa posebnim potrebama shvatite kako iran nije drkadzijska drzava nego drzava koja je otvoreno stala na stranu RBIH na pocetku rata, otvoreno krsila sva embarga na oruzje rizikujuci svoj politicko-ekonomski polozaj i otvoreno podrzavala borbu za slobodu naroda koji je bio pred klanjem i istrebljenjem.....

mi smo za njih ni u rangu kurtona koliko smo im potrebni za njihov polozaj u svijetu a sve su rizikovali da nam pomognu....

gastal, ranisal, sode, i tako dalje - poslacu ti Euroekspresom....
Posalji Iranekspresom :D , da nije bilo mrske ti Amerike znas kada bi to oruzije doslo u BiH preko Hrvatskih luka :wink:
Iran i Rusija bombarduju VRS i Srbiju.....










:wink:
znaci ameri su prijatelji jer su DOPUSTILI da nas NEKO DRUGI NAORUZAVA - jao jebo te ja prijatelja :lol: na kurac nabijem te tvoje prijatelje :lol:

nego gdje su ti tvoji prijatelji bili 10 jula 1995.e ? opet ih na kurac nabijem - jer su imali LIVE prenos sta se desava dole....

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Vidis , po tvom vokabularu da se zaljuciti koliki je tvoj domet u nekoj ozbiljnijoj diskusiji.Bolje mozda da ucestvujes na temi Sivonja vs Medonja ko je jaci...
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славянин wrote:Vidis , po tvom vokabularu da se zaljuciti koliki je tvoj domet u nekoj ozbiljnijoj diskusiji.Bolje mozda da ucestvujes na temi Sivonja vs Medonja ko je jaci...
ma jebem ja i tvoj i svaki drugi slican domet - eto kazem ti svojim rjecnikom koji mi sada pada napamet.... pun mi kurac te price ameri nam pomogli bla bla bla - trebamo im sisat kurac balblablabla jer je do 1995 USA bila nijemi posmatrac pa je kao zasluzila da im popusimo - kao zaustavila rat.....

prije srebrenice je bihac padao mesje sigurno - jer vidim da blage veze nemas.... - pa su ti papci sto ih ti i slicni hadalji mrzis poslali hrvatima bjanko cek na milione da salju helikopterima municiju i PO u bihacki dzep.....

ti slobodno na tu temu o rudonjama bikonjama i pickama maternama ja neam pojma o cemu pricas.....
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#15968 Re: IRAN

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commendatore wrote:
славянин wrote:Vidis , po tvom vokabularu da se zaljuciti koliki je tvoj domet u nekoj ozbiljnijoj diskusiji.Bolje mozda da ucestvujes na temi Sivonja vs Medonja ko je jaci...
ma jebem ja i tvoj i svaki drugi slican domet - eto kazem ti svojim rjecnikom koji mi sada pada napamet.... pun mi kurac te price ameri nam pomogli bla bla bla - trebamo im sisat kurac jer je do 1995 USA bila nijemi posmatrac pa kao zaustavila rat.....
:thumbup: sa srecom da ti je :wink:
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славянин wrote:
commendatore wrote:
славянин wrote:Vidis , po tvom vokabularu da se zaljuciti koliki je tvoj domet u nekoj ozbiljnijoj diskusiji.Bolje mozda da ucestvujes na temi Sivonja vs Medonja ko je jaci...
ma jebem ja i tvoj i svaki drugi slican domet - eto kazem ti svojim rjecnikom koji mi sada pada napamet.... pun mi kurac te price ameri nam pomogli bla bla bla - trebamo im sisat kurac jer je do 1995 USA bila nijemi posmatrac pa kao zaustavila rat.....
:thumbup: sa srecom da ti je :wink:
jebe mi se za tvoje zelje gudbaj

fala rednecksima (Clintonu) za bombardovanje nepostojecih vojnih meta VRS :lol: al moja zahvala ide irancima koji su od svojih sirotinjskih usta odvajali da bi za nikakve interese pogurali odbranu BIH. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: ..

da se mene pita podigao bih im spomenik.....
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Lik ne vjeruje nama, koji smo zivi svjedoci, ne vjeruje nasim najvisim vojnim i politickim duznosnicima tog vremena, ne vjeruje bilo kome...Osim Amerima :mrgreen:

Pa, ako je tako, evo clanak Mark Dannera (slobodno progooglaj ko je on), iz 1996. :

Hypocrisy in Action: What's the real Iran-Bosnia Scandal
http://www.markdanner.com/articles/print/65

Ja cu samo par citata:
In September of 1991, the United Nations imposed an arms embargo on the former Yugoslavia. The embargo, predictably, favored the Bosnian Serbs, for they had ready access to the arms stockpiles and factories amassed by the Tito regime. President Bush, determined to avoid an election-year involvement in a messy Balkan war, firmly supported the embargo; and in September of 1992, when a plane loaded with Iranian arms landed in Zagreb, his Administration strongly protested.
Within a week, an Iranian cargo plane touched down at the Zagreb airport and began unloading its cargo of arms; a week after that, news of the shipments appeared on the front page of the Washington Post.
In April, 1995, the Post again reported that, with Washington's "tacit acceptance," Iran had continued to deliver "large quantities of arms to Bosnia's Muslim-led government." This non-secret secret policy soon bore fruit. The rearmed Croatians and Bosnians won decisive victories; and the ethnic cleansing and bloodletting of that summer, along with the savagery of the Serb counterattacks, made possible the map, faintly inscribed though it is, that was conceived at Dayton.
From a clutch of congressional committees we will now hear this or that honorable member profess himself, like Captain Renault, "shocked, shocked" to learn that Iranian arms had cleared the way for Dayton.
Speaker Newt Gingrich blames this on "extraordinarily amateurish" policymaking; but the causes lie deeper, both in the sad hypocritical history of the United States in the Bosnian war (the Americans promised help, but only the Iranians delivered) and in the way our national-security apparatus functions -- or, rather, a decade after Iran-Contra -- malfunctions.
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salik79 wrote:Lik ne vjeruje nama, koji smo zivi svjedoci, ne vjeruje nasim najvisim vojnim i politickim duznosnicima tog vremena, ne vjeruje bilo kome...Osim Amerima :mrgreen:

Pa, ako je tako, evo clanak Mark Dannera (slobodno progooglaj ko je on), iz 1996. :

Hypocrisy in Action: What's the real Iran-Bosnia Scandal
http://www.markdanner.com/articles/print/65

Ja cu samo par citata:
In September of 1991, the United Nations imposed an arms embargo on the former Yugoslavia. The embargo, predictably, favored the Bosnian Serbs, for they had ready access to the arms stockpiles and factories amassed by the Tito regime. President Bush, determined to avoid an election-year involvement in a messy Balkan war, firmly supported the embargo; and in September of 1992, when a plane loaded with Iranian arms landed in Zagreb, his Administration strongly protested.
Within a week, an Iranian cargo plane touched down at the Zagreb airport and began unloading its cargo of arms; a week after that, news of the shipments appeared on the front page of the Washington Post.
In April, 1995, the Post again reported that, with Washington's "tacit acceptance," Iran had continued to deliver "large quantities of arms to Bosnia's Muslim-led government." This non-secret secret policy soon bore fruit. The rearmed Croatians and Bosnians won decisive victories; and the ethnic cleansing and bloodletting of that summer, along with the savagery of the Serb counterattacks, made possible the map, faintly inscribed though it is, that was conceived at Dayton.
From a clutch of congressional committees we will now hear this or that honorable member profess himself, like Captain Renault, "shocked, shocked" to learn that Iranian arms had cleared the way for Dayton.
Speaker Newt Gingrich blames this on "extraordinarily amateurish" policymaking; but the causes lie deeper, both in the sad hypocritical history of the United States in the Bosnian war (the Americans promised help, but only the Iranians delivered) and in the way our national-security apparatus functions -- or, rather, a decade after Iran-Contra -- malfunctions.
Ajde sada da postavimo malo kompletniji taj clanak a ne samo po recenicu kako to ti radis cesto.. da ne kazem da vadis iz konteksta nedao Bog.

Hypocrisy may be the mother's milk of politics, but there are occasions -- the controversy now being manufactured in Congress over "secret" Iranian arms shipments to Bosnia is one -- when the glass runs over. In the coming weeks, citizens will watch as that late-twentieth-century American art form, the full-dress political scandal, enters its decadent phase. Panelled committee rooms, indignant congressmen, stubborn Administration witnesses -- all the familiar trappings will be on display. But the inquisition will plumb only an emptiness: a secret that wasn't a secret, a crime that wasn't a crime. And the real crime, the real secret hypocrisy of our dealings with Bosnia and Iran, will lie in plain sight, unsought and undisturbed.

In September of 1991, the United Nations imposed an arms embargo on the former Yugoslavia. The embargo, predictably, favored the Bosnian Serbs, for they had ready access to the arms stockpiles and factories amassed by the Tito regime. President Bush, determined to avoid an election-year involvement in a messy Balkan war, firmly supported the embargo; and in September of 1992, when a plane loaded with Iranian arms landed in Zagreb, his Administration strongly protested.

That summer and fall, as ghastly images of Muslim prisoners in Serb concentration camps appeared on television, candidate Bill Clinton called for the use of "whatever it takes to stop the slaughter" in Bosnia. But while Clinton, as President, did prove different from his real-politik predecessor in his sympathy for the Bosnians, he shared Bush's unwillingness to take risks. In the late spring of 1993, Clinton shelved his first Bosnia policy, "lift and strike" -- so called because it envisaged lifting the embargo and initiating American air strikes -- in the face of strong objections from our European allies. Even so, Republicans in Congress argued vehemently, with Senator Bob Dole arguing most vehemently of all, that the embargo should be lifted -- unilaterally, if necessary -- so that the Bosnians could "defend themselves." These critics tended to sidestep the fact that the United States would be obliged to send troops to evacuate European peacekeepers and that, in any case, lifting the embargo, by encouraging an all-out Serb offensive, might lead to the destruction of the Bosnians.

In March of 1994, Clinton Administration offcials scored a diplomatic success in the Balkans by fashioning a tenuous "federation" between Bosnian Muslims and Croats. By now, American intervention - so often dangled before the hapless Bosnians - had been effectively ruled out, and only Bosnian and Croat victories over the triumphant Serbs could "even the playing field" and make possible a broader settlement. And so, during the last days of April, 1994, when the Croatian President, Franjo Tudjman, approached the American Ambassador, Peter Galbraith, and inquired what the Clinton Administration would say to his establishing a full-scale "pipeline" of arms from Iran to Bosnia (a modest stream of weapons was already flowing from Islamic countries, Iran included), Galbraith responded that he had "no instructions." This non-answer answer, we now learn from the Los Angeles Times, in almost the only bit of genuine news in this affair, had been formulated the night before, "at the highest levels" -- that is, with the involvement of President Clinton himself.

Within a week, an Iranian cargo plane touched down at the Zagreb airport and began unloading its cargo of arms; a week after that, news of the shipments appeared on the front page of the Washington Post. Within months, Congress passed a law forbidding the Administration to enforce the embargo. In April, 1995, the Post again reported that, with Washington's "tacit acceptance," Iran had continued to deliver "large quantities of arms to Bosnia's Muslim-led government." This non-secret secret policy soon bore fruit. The rearmed Croatians and Bosnians won decisive victories; and the ethnic cleansing and bloodletting of that summer, along with the savagery of the Serb counterattacks, made possible the map, faintly inscribed though it is, that was conceived at Dayton.
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Gdje ces se sa Salikom rapravljati, lik brani rusko ucesce u nasem ratu...
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hrvatska agresor na tuzlu 1993 ali 1992 i 1995 nije :D

pardon na bugojno :D i dževada mlaću
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славянин wrote:
salik79 wrote:Lik ne vjeruje nama, koji smo zivi svjedoci, ne vjeruje nasim najvisim vojnim i politickim duznosnicima tog vremena, ne vjeruje bilo kome...Osim Amerima :mrgreen:

Pa, ako je tako, evo clanak Mark Dannera (slobodno progooglaj ko je on), iz 1996. :

Hypocrisy in Action: What's the real Iran-Bosnia Scandal
http://www.markdanner.com/articles/print/65

Ja cu samo par citata:
In September of 1991, the United Nations imposed an arms embargo on the former Yugoslavia. The embargo, predictably, favored the Bosnian Serbs, for they had ready access to the arms stockpiles and factories amassed by the Tito regime. President Bush, determined to avoid an election-year involvement in a messy Balkan war, firmly supported the embargo; and in September of 1992, when a plane loaded with Iranian arms landed in Zagreb, his Administration strongly protested.
Within a week, an Iranian cargo plane touched down at the Zagreb airport and began unloading its cargo of arms; a week after that, news of the shipments appeared on the front page of the Washington Post.
In April, 1995, the Post again reported that, with Washington's "tacit acceptance," Iran had continued to deliver "large quantities of arms to Bosnia's Muslim-led government." This non-secret secret policy soon bore fruit. The rearmed Croatians and Bosnians won decisive victories; and the ethnic cleansing and bloodletting of that summer, along with the savagery of the Serb counterattacks, made possible the map, faintly inscribed though it is, that was conceived at Dayton.
From a clutch of congressional committees we will now hear this or that honorable member profess himself, like Captain Renault, "shocked, shocked" to learn that Iranian arms had cleared the way for Dayton.
Speaker Newt Gingrich blames this on "extraordinarily amateurish" policymaking; but the causes lie deeper, both in the sad hypocritical history of the United States in the Bosnian war (the Americans promised help, but only the Iranians delivered) and in the way our national-security apparatus functions -- or, rather, a decade after Iran-Contra -- malfunctions.
Ajde sada da postavimo malo kompletniji taj clanak a ne samo po recenicu kako to ti radis cesto.. da ne kazem da vadis iz konteksta nedao Bog.

Hypocrisy may be the mother's milk of politics, but there are occasions -- the controversy now being manufactured in Congress over "secret" Iranian arms shipments to Bosnia is one -- when the glass runs over. In the coming weeks, citizens will watch as that late-twentieth-century American art form, the full-dress political scandal, enters its decadent phase. Panelled committee rooms, indignant congressmen, stubborn Administration witnesses -- all the familiar trappings will be on display. But the inquisition will plumb only an emptiness: a secret that wasn't a secret, a crime that wasn't a crime. And the real crime, the real secret hypocrisy of our dealings with Bosnia and Iran, will lie in plain sight, unsought and undisturbed.

In September of 1991, the United Nations imposed an arms embargo on the former Yugoslavia. The embargo, predictably, favored the Bosnian Serbs, for they had ready access to the arms stockpiles and factories amassed by the Tito regime. President Bush, determined to avoid an election-year involvement in a messy Balkan war, firmly supported the embargo; and in September of 1992, when a plane loaded with Iranian arms landed in Zagreb, his Administration strongly protested.

That summer and fall, as ghastly images of Muslim prisoners in Serb concentration camps appeared on television, candidate Bill Clinton called for the use of "whatever it takes to stop the slaughter" in Bosnia. But while Clinton, as President, did prove different from his real-politik predecessor in his sympathy for the Bosnians, he shared Bush's unwillingness to take risks. In the late spring of 1993, Clinton shelved his first Bosnia policy, "lift and strike" -- so called because it envisaged lifting the embargo and initiating American air strikes -- in the face of strong objections from our European allies. Even so, Republicans in Congress argued vehemently, with Senator Bob Dole arguing most vehemently of all, that the embargo should be lifted -- unilaterally, if necessary -- so that the Bosnians could "defend themselves." These critics tended to sidestep the fact that the United States would be obliged to send troops to evacuate European peacekeepers and that, in any case, lifting the embargo, by encouraging an all-out Serb offensive, might lead to the destruction of the Bosnians.

In March of 1994, Clinton Administration offcials scored a diplomatic success in the Balkans by fashioning a tenuous "federation" between Bosnian Muslims and Croats. By now, American intervention - so often dangled before the hapless Bosnians - had been effectively ruled out, and only Bosnian and Croat victories over the triumphant Serbs could "even the playing field" and make possible a broader settlement. And so, during the last days of April, 1994, when the Croatian President, Franjo Tudjman, approached the American Ambassador, Peter Galbraith, and inquired what the Clinton Administration would say to his establishing a full-scale "pipeline" of arms from Iran to Bosnia (a modest stream of weapons was already flowing from Islamic countries, Iran included), Galbraith responded that he had "no instructions." This non-answer answer, we now learn from the Los Angeles Times, in almost the only bit of genuine news in this affair, had been formulated the night before, "at the highest levels" -- that is, with the involvement of President Clinton himself.

Within a week, an Iranian cargo plane touched down at the Zagreb airport and began unloading its cargo of arms; a week after that, news of the shipments appeared on the front page of the Washington Post. Within months, Congress passed a law forbidding the Administration to enforce the embargo. In April, 1995, the Post again reported that, with Washington's "tacit acceptance," Iran had continued to deliver "large quantities of arms to Bosnia's Muslim-led government." This non-secret secret policy soon bore fruit. The rearmed Croatians and Bosnians won decisive victories; and the ethnic cleansing and bloodletting of that summer, along with the savagery of the Serb counterattacks, made possible the map, faintly inscribed though it is, that was conceived at Dayton.
Sve sto sam citirao nije izvadjeno iz konteksta, nego su notorne cinjenice, koje ne mozes osporiti. Dakle, Iran dvije godine prije nego se Klinton "zamislio", konkretno pomagao - kada su nam svi drugi, zajedno s amerima, striktno provodili (od njih samih) nametnute sankcije, koje su nas najvise "bolile". Tu 1994. mozda ne bi ni docekali. Od tada pocinje masovnija (jednostavnija) dostava prijeko potrebnog naoruzanja, a Ameri su nam "dobri" jer su odlucili "zatvoriti jedno oko"....E bas im hvala!

Dakle, jos jednom ono najbitnije:

hypocritical history of the United States in the Bosnian war (the Americans promised help, but only the Iranians delivered)
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#15975 Re: IRAN

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GandalfSivi wrote:Gdje ces se sa Salikom rapravljati, lik brani rusko ucesce u nasem ratu...
Mozemo li de dogovoriti da se samobanujes ukoliko ne uspijes dokazati svoju tvrdnju? Gdje sam ja "branio rusko ucesce u nasem ratu"?!
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