Obama i SAD (2008-2016)

[jeza u ledja]

Problem izmedju odnosa bijelaca i crnaca vise nije rasni, vec klasni. U sustini, on nikad nije ni bio rasni, ali se podudarao sa rasnim razlikama.
Problem je kad imate cijele generacije ljudi koji znaju da su njihovi preci nekada davno bili robovi precima njihovih bijeli poznanika. Ako to vec o sebi ne znaju njihova boja koze ce im to reci. Jebena je to stvar.

Obama dolazi iz sasvim drugog univerzuma. Njemu je otac Afrikanac, a ne americki crnac, majka mu Amerikanka - bjelkinja, otac ga je davno napustio i on je odrastao u majcinoj, bjelackoj porodici i sredini. Nije mi jasno kako neko moze i pomisliti da takav covjek, i to samo zbog ovog gore pomenutog, moze biti rasista? To znaci da mrzi svoju majku?

[nikad_izvini]

[ahuseino]

Problem izmedju odnosa bijelaca i crnaca vise nije rasni, vec klasni. U sustini, on nikad nije ni bio rasni, ali se podudarao sa rasnim razlikama.
Problem je kad imate cijele generacije ljudi koji znaju da su njihovi preci nekada davno bili robovi precima njihovih bijeli poznanika. Ako to vec o sebi ne znaju njihova boja koze ce im to reci. Jebena je to stvar.

Obama dolazi iz sasvim drugog univerzuma. Njemu je otac Afrikanac, a ne americki crnac, majka mu Amerikanka - bjelkinja, otac ga je davno napustio i on je odrastao u majcinoj, bjelackoj porodici i sredini. Nije mi jasno kako neko moze i pomisliti da takav covjek, i to samo zbog ovog gore pomenutog, moze biti rasista? To znaci da mrzi svoju majku?

Ne bih se bas u potpunosti slozio s ovim prvim. Postavio bih to ovako:

Sa bjelacke perspektive - Racial problem results in class divide. If it makes sense .
Sa crnacke strane - Class devide, results in "black racizm'.

Slazem se da je danas manje stvarne rasne diskriminacije, ali je jos uvijek ima.
Dodatni problem je duboki socijalni; ono sto sam govorio o tome kako im je tesko 'oteti' se normi, kako 'im' nije 'usadjeno' ono famous - 'you can!'.

Kad kazem 'im' - njima, mislim prvenstveno na te slum 'komsiluke' i regije od kojih se tesko odvojiti, prvenstveno zbog mentalne bariere i obmane da je to nemoguche i da nema vrijednosti.

Bijelci iz straha mijeshaju razisam sa njegovim racial awarenes u kombinaciji s bojom njegove koze.

Inache ni sam nebi bolje mogao reci od onoga sto si ti rekao u prijasnjem postu, pa cu da podebljam i potpishem:

"Inace, sve ovo zajedno, od A do Z o cemu si pricao je za mene APSOLUTNO NEBITNO.
Ko u kakvu crkvu ide, ko daje kakve izjave i slicno ME NE ZANIMA.
Ono sto me zanima je kako ce i kad zavrsiti rat u Iraku, sta ce uraditi sto se tice zdravstvenog osiguranja, skolarine, taksi, itd. I uopste sta ce odabir ovakvog kandidata uciniti za americki ugled u svijetu, te kakav ce odnos Amerike biti prema durgima."

[pitt]

Ne zelim nikog potcjenjivati na ovoj temi ali nije ovo za nas,ha...
Velika politika a mi mali...
A i vjetar ce ponovo donjeti neki pustinjski pjesak,odoh kupiti cvike...

brile jarane.....brile

[ahuseino]

Proberi pa koja ti se svidja:

[Fair Life]

...
A i vjetar ce ponovo donjeti neki pustinjski pjesak,odoh kupiti cvike...

I citaj, vise citaj...

[Leonid Breznjev]

[walkabout]

evo nekih nagovjestaja da ce Hillary mozda povuci za dan-dva...

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June 3, 2008 - 8:26AM

Hillary Clinton's last-ditch campaign for Democratic leaders to jettison their support for the party's White House front-runner Barack Obama looked to be coming to the end of the road today.

Ahead of the last nominating contests tomorrow in Montana and South Dakota, even the former first lady's husband hinted at imminent defeat as the party shifts gears to take on Republican John McCain.

"I want to say also that this may be the last day I'm ever involved in a campaign of this kind," former president Bill Clinton told a rally of his wife's supporters in South Dakota, ABC and NBC reported.

"I thought I was out of politics, till Hillary decided to run. But it has been one of the greatest honours of my life to go around and campaign for her for president," he said.

The Clinton campaign said she would hold an election night "celebration" tomorrow in her home state of New York, not in Montana or South Dakota.

According to New York newspaper Newsday, Clinton is to huddle with advisers and her husband at her upstate home in Chappaqua to monitor the final results and decide whether and how to end her campaign.

"The only real counsel to Hillary is Bill; it's not a wide circle, so we're not sure what they'll do," one of Clinton's top supporters in New York was quoted as saying.

But fresh from a two-to-one victory over Obama in Puerto Rico Clinton told The Washington Post she may challenge a decision by Democratic leaders on convention delegates from Michigan and Florida.

"We reserve the right to do it. But I haven't made a decision yet," Clinton was quoted as saying, leaving open the prospect of a struggle all the way to the party's August nominating convention in Denver, Colorado.

Clinton's hopes now hinge on halting a slew of Obama endorsements from the roughly 200 Democratic leaders or "superdelegates" who have yet to declare a preference.

According to the Obama campaign, he is now 43 delegates away from the new winning line of 2118, which went up on Saturday under the contentious deal to reinstate Florida and Michigan despite their violation of scheduling rules.

Senior Clinton adviser Harold Ickes said her camp was still making a case to superdelegates, who have a free vote at the August convention, that she was the best potential president.

"We do not believe that by midnight tomorrow that either candidate will have the new magic number," he told MSNBC.

Obama, however, has already pivoted away from his primary tussle with the tenacious Clinton to attacking McCain as the outlines of the general election campaign take shape.

The two clashed anew on Monday over Iraq, national security and Obama's advocacy of a new diplomacy with US adversaries such as Iran.

In a Washington speech to the powerful US-Israel lobby, McCain called for tough new sanctions on Iran if it fails to halt its nuclear program and advocated a bid to starve the Islamic republic of petrol.

The Arizona senator also rebuked Obama's offer to hold presidential-level talks with Tehran as a "serious misreading of history".

McCain's warning came hours after Iran's firebrand president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said Israel "is about to die and will soon be erased from the geographical scene".

The Obama campaign accused McCain of wanting to extend President George W Bush's policies in the Middle East, which the Democrat says have only strengthened Iran.

"John McCain stubbornly insists on continuing a dangerous and failed foreign policy that has clearly made the United States and Israel less secure," Obama spokesman Hari Sevugan said.

"Instead of recognising reality, John McCain continues to run on a platform of doubling down on George Bush's failed policies, while carrying on his divisive brand of politics."

Obama was set on Tuesday night to address thousands of supporters in the same conference hall in St Paul, Minnesota, where the Republican convention will be held in September.

Both the venue and the timing, on the night that the five-month primary campaign comes to an end, were freighted with political symbolism.

Conceding his loss in Puerto Rico, Obama praised Clinton as an "klix public servant" who would be a "great asset" for the Democrats come November's election.

AFP

[jeza u ledja]

Vidjecemo sutra.

Ja nesto plaho sumnjam...

[ahuseino]

Lafo dobja popular vote...

... kad mjeri "gumenim lenjirom" ...

[omar little]

June 3, 2008
Obama Pushes Effort to Claim Victory Tonight
By ADAM NAGOURNEY
This article was reported by Adam Nagourney, Carl Hulse and Jeff Zeleny and written by Mr. Nagourney.

Senator Barack Obama’s campaign began a concerted effort on Monday to rally undecided superdelegates around him so he can claim the Democratic presidential nomination after the primaries end on Tuesday night.

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton invited fund-raisers and other supporters to an election-night rally in New York City where, aides said, she was prepared to deliver what they described as a farewell speech that summed up the case for her candidacy. They said Mrs. Clinton was not likely to withdraw from the race on Tuesday night, probably waiting until later in the week, once Mr. Obama’s victory appeared clear.

Sensing an opportunity to shut down the nominating contest, Obama campaign advisers said that they were orchestrating an endorsement of Mr. Obama by at least eight Senate and House members who had pledged to remain uncommitted until the primaries ended, and that the endorsements would come the moment the South Dakota polls closed on Tuesday night.

The group will be led by Senator Tom Harkin of Iowa, who on Monday met with three other uncommitted Democratic senators — Ken Salazar of Colorado, Thomas R. Carper of Delaware and Benjamin L. Cardin of Maryland — at the offices of the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee in what Mr. Salazar called a unity session.

Representative James E. Clyburn of South Carolina, the No. 3 Democrat in the House and the highest-ranking African-American in Congress, set his formal endorsement of Mr. Obama for Tuesday, and he was urging others to do the same. Other lawmakers and party insiders were also sending word that they would be falling in line behind Mr. Obama beginning as early as Tuesday morning.

“It’s time,” said Senator Herb Kohl of Wisconsin, one of the senators who have not made a public choice in the race, signaling that he too would announce his endorsement within days.

While Mr. Obama was moving into position to claim the delegates needed for the nomination, two top Democratic officials said those sympathetic to Mrs. Clinton were making calls of their own to encourage lawmakers to hold off at least until Wednesday to make any announcements in deference to Mrs. Clinton.

The activity on the eve of the final contests in Montana and South Dakota left little doubt on both sides that the long competition was coming to an end. Mr. Obama told reporters on Monday what he had told Mrs. Clinton when he called her on Sunday to congratulate her on winning the Puerto Rico primary: “Once the dust settled, I was looking forward to meeting with her at a time and place of her choosing.”

Mrs. Clinton has no public traveling schedule through the weekend, other than to Washington, reflecting what is, for all practical purposes, a campaign in suspension. Her associates said that no one in her campaign saw any way she could win the nomination, and that the only question now was when Mr. Obama could claim victory. The associates requested anonymity in deference to Mrs. Clinton’s request for privacy.

Mrs. Clinton’s decision to return to her home state to deliver her speech was made at the last minute, and thus she picked an unusual site for a major political event: the Baruch College athletics and recreation center on the East Side of Manhattan.

The most likely situation, some of Mrs. Clinton’s aides said, was that she would suspend her campaign later in the week and would probably — though not definitely — endorse Mr. Obama.

On the Obama side, the rollout of the Congressional endorsements as the polls close on Tuesday night is intended to show that the party is coalescing behind him.

In an elaborately coordinated evening that will symbolize the shift from the primary to the general election, Mr. Obama will deliver his victory speech at the Xcel Energy Center in St. Paul, the location, not coincidentally, of the Republican convention in August.

The strategy, one adviser said, was to claim the nomination Tuesday night and Wednesday morning start putting his full focus on Senator John McCain, starting with a speech at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, where Mr. McCain lit into Mr. Obama on Monday.

Mr. Obama’s advisers estimated that, factoring in the results in Montana and South Dakota, where he appeared to be in a strong position, he needed about 25 delegates to reach the 2,118 needed to win the nomination. He gained endorsements on Monday that will give him 5.5 more superdelegate votes (the half vote is from Florida), and Mr. Obama’s advisers said they would spend Tuesday rushing more superdelegates — the elected Democrats and party leaders who get berths at the convention — onto his train.

“We’re trying to get the number as quickly as possible,” Mr. Obama’s campaign manager, David Plouffe, said on Monday. “We are trying to convince as many as possible to come out tomorrow.”

Mr. Obama’s aides were wary of trying to raise expectations about his performance. Still, asked if Mr. Obama would win enough superdelegates Tuesday to put him in position to claim the nomination, Mr. Plouffe responded: “We are trying to. I don’t know if we can get there.”

Senator Claire McCaskill of Missouri, a supporter of Mr. Obama, said she had spoken to about a dozen uncommitted superdelegates on Monday on Mr. Obama’s behalf. “We are hopeful and optimistic that a lot of movement will be tomorrow, but you can’t count on it until it happens,” she said.

Representative Jason Altmire, Democrat of Pennsylvania, said he wanted to give Mrs. Clinton her due until at least Wednesday. But if the race remained fully engaged by week’s end, he said, she would lose her support from superdelegates.

“We want to hear from Senator Clinton; she deserves the right to make her statement,” Mr. Altmire said Monday night. “But I’m not fine with it proceeding. I think it’s incredibly damaging at the end of the process for it to continue on.”

Mr. Obama spent part of Monday working the phones, as did surrogates, aides and party officials, urging the uncommitted superdelegates to sign on.

Asked what his final sales pitch was, Mr. Obama said, “The sooner that we can bring the party together, the sooner we can start focusing on John McCain in November.”

In a campaign stop in Michigan on Monday, Mr. Obama lavished praise upon Mrs. Clinton, in what aides said was a signal intended to set the tone for how his supporters should treat her in the coming days.

“Senator Clinton has run an klix race; she is an klix public servant,” Mr. Obama told voters at a forum in Troy, Mich. He added, “She and I will be working together in November.”

To that, the crowd of Democrats cheered.

[pitt]

nego......jeste li slusali cejnija o west virdziniji konjine.....

http://www.swamppolitics.com/news/polit ... _west.html

[ahuseino]

nego......jeste li slusali cejnija o west virdziniji konjine.....

sta je rek'o?

... sazeto...

[pitt]

nego......jeste li slusali cejnija o west virdziniji konjine.....

sta je rek'o?

... sazeto...

pa pogledaj video

[ahuseino]

inbred mofo...

[pitt]

eeee jarane stya propustas ako nikad nisi bio u WVA jadna majko.....samo boga molis da auto ne stane gdje .......onda ti je the deliverance

[ahuseino]

eeee jarane stya propustas ako nikad nisi bio u WVA jadna majko.....samo boga molis da auto ne stane gdje .......onda ti je the deliverance

... znaci da ne idem... ako su 'vaki sve ...

[pitt]

ma ima i gorih ba
nedavno je sefu otac umro a on je inace farm boy iz male selendre na granici ohaja i WVA. Tito mili kakvih je spodoba bilo u funeral home A otac u kovcegu obucen u kariranu kosulju, tregerslus, neki kamiondzijski kacket na glavi, nekakvih tablica za aute oko njega, ......i u ruci mala cakijica i komadic drveta Da me nije bilo sramota (i od boga i hicksa strah ) crko bih od smijeha

[jeza u ledja]

ma ima i gorih ba
nedavno je sefu otac umro a on je inace farm boy iz male selendre na granici ohaja i WVA. Tito mili kakvih je spodoba bilo u funeral home A otac u kovcegu obucen u kariranu kosulju, tregerslus, neki kamiondzijski kacket na glavi, nekakvih tablica za aute oko njega, ......i u ruci mala cakijica i komadic drveta Da me nije bilo sramota (i od boga i hicksa strah ) crko bih od smijeha

[pitt]

samo se ti cudi Al akko cujem ni ostatak red staes nije puno bolji

joj naslova na saxu....cuj parlamentarac

Obama dobio podršku utjecajnog parlamentarca
Demokratski kandidat za Bijelu kuću Barack Obama dobio je u utorak podršku utjecajnog parlamentarca, koji je dao naslutiti da bi i ostali "superdelegati" mogli slijediti njegov primjer tokom dana, dok iz kampa Hillary Clinton dolaze sve jači znaci kraja njene kampanje.

[stari_sarajevski_gospodin]

Sada nam je partija u velikim porblemima. McCain ce sada sigurno biti novi predsjednik!

[pitt]

nema nista sigurno.......sigurno je bilo da ce rudy biti republikanski kandidat pa nije, pa je helga trebala biti prva u demokrata pa nije....... sigurno ve se znati u novembru tek

[jeza u ledja]

Pa rekao sam vam ja, ishod ovih izbora ovisice od toga sta ce uraditi porazeni. Obamin uspjeh sada ovisi od Hillary.

Ovo danas je kulminacija, ono, zadnja epizoda sapunice za sezonu. Desice se puno nekih raspleta, ali na samom kraju ce se desiti neka misteriozna zackoljica.

Preko ljeta sa nestrpljenjem ocekujemo nastavak - da li ce nevjestu mladi princ zaprositi?
On nece, ona eto ko i bi, ali familija navalila...

[pitt]

Pa rekao sam vam ja, ishod ovih izbora ovisice od toga sta ce uraditi porazeni. Obamin uspjeh sada ovisi od Hillary.

Ovo danas je kulminacija, ono, zadnja epizoda sapunice za sezonu. Desice se puno nekih raspleta, ali na samom kraju ce se desiti neka misteriozna zackoljica.

Preko ljeta sa nestrpljenjem ocekujemo nastavak - da li ce nevjestu mladi princ zaprositi?
On nece, ona eto ko i bi, ali familija navalila...

pa nije lud......ko ce ba zaprositi matoru vjesticu ne bi mu veci belaj trebao. Moze se sacuvati party unity i pobjediti McCain sa nekim drugim kandidatom za VP......Edwards npr.

[jeza u ledja]

Zene su to moj pitte, zene....