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#154351 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 03/04/2023 13:20
by sumirprimus
orci su ocajni...
#154352 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 03/04/2023 13:27
by sumirprimus
evo i ovde drhti, snijeg se vidi, bog te pito koliko su bili vani mokri, ovo je pothladjenje u kombinaciji sa strahom. vidi se i krv, dakle ako i gubi krv. normalna reakcija tijela u nenormalnim okolnostima.
#154353 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 03/04/2023 13:34
by sumirprimus
jos migova..
#154354 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 03/04/2023 13:50
by drug_profi
Sad me zanima da li su ovi Migovi iz NATO zemalja mogli biti unaprijeđeni boljim radarima i elektronikom?
#154355 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 03/04/2023 13:52
by madner
Neki jesi sigurno sto se tice elektronike, ali ne znam da je iko dirao radare.
Mig 29 nije ni koncipiran da ima jak radar, kao ni F16.
#154356 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 03/04/2023 13:56
by drug_profi
madner wrote: ↑03/04/2023 13:52
Neki jesi sigurno sto se tice elektronike, ali ne znam da je iko dirao radare.
Mig 29 nije ni koncipiran da ima jak radar, kao ni F16.
Ako se ikome nadam da su napucali svoje na maximum moguceg, to su ovi poljski.
#154357 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 03/04/2023 13:57
by pici
Mig29 je avio koji je bio neka mraka u 80-etim godinama i to je to.Njegova namjena je bila da zamjeni ostarjeli i hvaljeni Mig 21.Zapad je uporedo sa izgradnjom novih letjelica, upgrade pravio sa postojecim avionima i to dosta uspjesno, tako da porediti Mig 29 sa F 16 to je ko poredjenje zastave 101 sa golfom 5.
#154358 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 03/04/2023 13:57
by sumirprimus
btw i slovacki i poljski su remontovani i apgrejdovani..
#154359 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 03/04/2023 13:59
by studiorum_tuzlaensis
50+ MiGova je prebaceno Ukrajini u samo zadnja 2 mjeseca... u pogon ce vjerovatno kad krene ofanziva

#154360 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 03/04/2023 13:59
by drug_profi
Nije bilo teško naći.
https://en.defence-ua.com/news/there_ar ... -6068.html
The aircraft received a new navigation system, communications and on-board computer with digital video and audio recorders for post-mission debriefing. The most significant change in the cockpit was the new HUD display and the 5x4 multifunctional indicator. As noted, these aircraft were modernized the same way as all 11 Slovak MiG-29s.
S tim da svi Poljski nisu napucani. Pitanje je koje ce poslati.
#154361 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 03/04/2023 14:03
by sumirprimus
ne treba plaho logike da se zakljuci da im nakupljaju sve sto mogu a da moze posluzit svrsi u kratkom narednom periodu tj nadolazecoj ukr ofanzivi. tako da je prica o f 16 sad bespredmetna.
#154362 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 03/04/2023 14:04
by sumirprimus
#154363 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 03/04/2023 14:07
by drug_profi
sumirprimus wrote: ↑03/04/2023 14:03
ne treba plaho logike da se zakljuci da im nakupljaju sve sto mogu a da moze posluzit svrsi u kratkom narednom periodu tj nadolazecoj ukr ofanzivi. tako da je prica o f 16 sad bespredmetna.
ma dobro ovo je sada malo i kombinacija pritska da se isposluje nesto drugo, a i zamazivanje ociju rusima da se ne moze letit i da je avijacija gotova.
#154364 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 03/04/2023 14:09
by drndalo
Obicaji se mijenjaju...
Novi set za ponijeti "na naselje" u Ukrajini:
#154365 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 03/04/2023 14:17
by drug_profi
drndalo wrote: ↑03/04/2023 14:09
Obicaji se mijenjaju...
Novi set za ponijeti "na naselje" u Ukrajini:
Mislim da je ova jedna danas viđena na onom videu gdje gađa onaj civilni auto i pogađa iza njega, ranivsi dvojicu.
#154366 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 03/04/2023 14:33
by sitni svercer
ubaci ih dron obadvojicu u gepek
#154367 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 03/04/2023 14:36
by sumirprimus
bilo na prosloj stranici
elem,
Fred Hoffman, D.Sc.


@InfoAgeStrategy
A lot of prominent former US military officers and others are now suggesting that #Ukraine cannot succeed in driving #Russian troops out of the country. I respectfully disagree with those assertions.
I'm not a former general, but I did spend a 30-year-long career in human intelligence and psychological operations. I believe that the most important battlespace in Ukraine right now is not land, sea, air, space, or cyber; it is the human mind. It is human cognition.
Ukrainians are fighting an existential battle to save their country -- their land, their homes, their families. Their motivation is high.
By contrast, Russian troops are poorly-led, poorly-trained, poorly-equipped, poorly-supplied, and poorly motivated. Ukraine was not the three-day-long cake walk that they were told to expect; not at all.
Look at Russian history; it is replete with instances where Russian defenders fought tooth-and-nail in this or that battle. It is also filled with instances where Russian troops folded and ran. You have to look at the circumstances to understand why Russian troops fought well or didn't. One must take into account some of the intangibles (like the ones I listed) in each case.
Look at how Russians themselves talk about the war on Telegram; there is open discussion by prominent bloggers about the possibility of Russia losing this war.
1:09 PM · Apr 3, 2023
#154368 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 03/04/2023 14:41
by madner
drug_profi wrote: ↑03/04/2023 13:56
madner wrote: ↑03/04/2023 13:52
Neki jesi sigurno sto se tice elektronike, ali ne znam da je iko dirao radare.
Mig 29 nije ni koncipiran da ima jak radar, kao ni F16.
Ako se ikome nadam da su napucali svoje na maximum moguceg, to su ovi poljski.
Sa ovim odnosnom snaga ovi Migovi su odlicni za odbranu od raketa, ali ne mogu previse iznad fronte uraditi.
Niti bi F16 osim da dobiju najnovije rakete, mogli bi sprijeciti bombardovanje od Rusa.
#154369 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 03/04/2023 14:43
by madner
sumirprimus wrote: ↑03/04/2023 14:36
bilo na prosloj stranici
elem,
Fred Hoffman, D.Sc.


@InfoAgeStrategy
A lot of prominent former US military officers and others are now suggesting that #Ukraine cannot succeed in driving #Russian troops out of the country. I respectfully disagree with those assertions.
I'm not a former general, but I did spend a 30-year-long career in human intelligence and psychological operations. I believe that the most important battlespace in Ukraine right now is not land, sea, air, space, or cyber; it is the human mind. It is human cognition.
Ukrainians are fighting an existential battle to save their country -- their land, their homes, their families. Their motivation is high.
By contrast, Russian troops are poorly-led, poorly-trained, poorly-equipped, poorly-supplied, and poorly motivated. Ukraine was not the three-day-long cake walk that they were told to expect; not at all.
Look at Russian history; it is replete with instances where Russian defenders fought tooth-and-nail in this or that battle. It is also filled with instances where Russian troops folded and ran. You have to look at the circumstances to understand why Russian troops fought well or didn't. One must take into account some of the intangibles (like the ones I listed) in each case.
Look at how Russians themselves talk about the war on Telegram; there is open discussion by prominent bloggers about the possibility of Russia losing this war.
1:09 PM · Apr 3, 2023
Najbolji scenario je 1917. Samo za to u Rusiji mora biti puno gore stanje.
Najvece Ruske pobjede su cesto pocinjale sa katastrofalnim porazima, jos se ne zna gdje idu.
#154370 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 03/04/2023 14:46
by sumirprimus
madner wrote: ↑03/04/2023 14:43
sumirprimus wrote: ↑03/04/2023 14:36
bilo na prosloj stranici
elem,
Fred Hoffman, D.Sc.


@InfoAgeStrategy
A lot of prominent former US military officers and others are now suggesting that #Ukraine cannot succeed in driving #Russian troops out of the country. I respectfully disagree with those assertions.
I'm not a former general, but I did spend a 30-year-long career in human intelligence and psychological operations. I believe that the most important battlespace in Ukraine right now is not land, sea, air, space, or cyber; it is the human mind. It is human cognition.
Ukrainians are fighting an existential battle to save their country -- their land, their homes, their families. Their motivation is high.
By contrast, Russian troops are poorly-led, poorly-trained, poorly-equipped, poorly-supplied, and poorly motivated. Ukraine was not the three-day-long cake walk that they were told to expect; not at all.
Look at Russian history; it is replete with instances where Russian defenders fought tooth-and-nail in this or that battle. It is also filled with instances where Russian troops folded and ran. You have to look at the circumstances to understand why Russian troops fought well or didn't. One must take into account some of the intangibles (like the ones I listed) in each case.
Look at how Russians themselves talk about the war on Telegram; there is open discussion by prominent bloggers about the possibility of Russia losing this war.
1:09 PM · Apr 3, 2023
Najbolji scenario je 1917. Samo za to u Rusiji mora biti puno gore stanje.
Najvece Ruske pobjede su cesto pocinjale sa katastrofalnim porazima, jos se ne zna gdje idu.
pa pocelo je sa girkinom i ekipom, pa s ovim bombama jos fali da negdje kmeknu i da se to zaholca , polako dugo je proljece

#154371 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 03/04/2023 14:52
by madner
sumirprimus wrote: ↑03/04/2023 14:46
madner wrote: ↑03/04/2023 14:43
Najbolji scenario je 1917. Samo za to u Rusiji mora biti puno gore stanje.
Najvece Ruske pobjede su cesto pocinjale sa katastrofalnim porazima, jos se ne zna gdje idu.
pa pocelo je sa girkinom i ekipom, pa s ovim bombama jos fali da negdje kmeknu i da se to zaholca , polako dugo je proljece
Bili su spremni za pakovanje prosle godine, steta sto nisu totalno razmontirani.
Sad ih treba opet negdje zaholcati, cak i ovaj Istocni distrikt ce za dva mjeseca biti opet popunjen.
#154372 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 03/04/2023 14:54
by sumirprimus
polako dugo je proljece vidis da se komplet zapad priprema. kad gruhne vidjecem hocel se zaholcat do kraja,
il ce bit nedaj boze corak

#154373 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 03/04/2023 14:55
by madner
sumirprimus wrote: ↑03/04/2023 14:54
polako dugo je proljece vidis da se komplet zapad priprema. kad gruhne vidjecem hocel se zaholcat do kraja,
il ce bit nedaj boze corak
Ja sam kao Girkin, vidim samo probleme.

#154374 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 03/04/2023 14:55
by sumirprimus
eno ga u nekakvoj hard core ekipici

ali i jedan od rijetkih rusa sa realnihim pregledom stanja na terenu.
jednom kgb uvijek kgb.
#154375 Re: Ukrajina
Posted: 03/04/2023 14:56
by statixx
Ove smo vec gledali u akciji.