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Poll ended at 05/11/2024 17:32

Demokratska stranka:Kamala Harris
116
57%
Republikanska stranka:Donald Trump
59
29%
Zelena stranka:Jill Stein
21
10%
Libertarijanska stranka:Chase Oliver
9
4%
 
Total votes: 205

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Da bar postoji ta “deep state” da mu naprave kakav skandal sve sa videom i maloljetnim vanzemaljcima, izbace neki October surprise da valja…
Najbolji dokaz da deep state ne postoji je njegova pobjeda 2016.

A sad ako pobijedi, samo ce dokazati da jedino moze dobiti zene. Kamala, Hillary, Nikki, Ted…
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"Deep State" se, po definiciji, ne miješa u izbore. Teorija je da deep state može upravljati političkim tokovima za svoje ciljeve, bez obzira ko je na vlasti.

Edgar Hoover je bio klasična deep state figura.

Da li postoji "deep state" ili ne je pomalo nedovršeno pitanje. Ne postoji uvijek, ni u Americi ni u ostalim državama.
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Znaci deep state upravlja Trumpom. :izet:
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Deep State je pustio Trumpa prvi put ali ga je okružio isključivo establishment tipovima koji su smanjili prostor za njegove idiotske manevre
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jeza u ledja wrote: 24/10/2024 00:53 Da bar postoji ta “deep state” da mu naprave kakav skandal sve sa videom i maloljetnim vanzemaljcima, izbace neki October surprise da valja…
Najbolji dokaz da deep state ne postoji je njegova pobjeda 2016.

A sad ako pobijedi, samo ce dokazati da jedino moze dobiti zene. Kamala, Hillary, Nikki, Ted…
October surprise će se desiti. Samo je pitanje kojem kandidatu.
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Crvena Tifoza wrote: 24/10/2024 01:20
jeza u ledja wrote: 24/10/2024 00:53 Da bar postoji ta “deep state” da mu naprave kakav skandal sve sa videom i maloljetnim vanzemaljcima, izbace neki October surprise da valja…
Najbolji dokaz da deep state ne postoji je njegova pobjeda 2016.

A sad ako pobijedi, samo ce dokazati da jedino moze dobiti zene. Kamala, Hillary, Nikki, Ted…
October surprise će se desiti. Samo je pitanje kojem kandidatu.
Pa…samo jednom od kandidata se i moze desiti. :-?
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:mrgreen:
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October surprise se izgleda ovaj put nikom ne može desiti.

Ako je Trump podigao ljestvicu šta je prihvatljivo za njega, onda je podigao tu ljestvicu i za drugu stranu. Ne znam koje bi iznenađenje bilo gore od onoga što već pričaju o Harris u republikanskim reklamama i slično.

Šta je bilo oktobarsko iznenađenje 2020?
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Osmi Socrates wrote: 24/10/2024 01:59 Šta je bilo oktobarsko iznenađenje 2020?
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Ma nista tom liku ne moze, napravio je cult ne znam ti sta da uradi imat ce 50-60 miliona glasova. Ako ga nije sjebalo onda kad je govorio da zenske hvata za onu stvar ne znam sta bi ga pogotovo sad moglo ukopat. Ako misle da izbace nesto bolje im je da izbace vec veceras, jer je vec 20 miliona ljudi glasalo, kod mene u GA vec 2 miliona, 5 je ukupno prosle izbore glasalo.
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To je bio pokušaj manufakturiranja oktobarskog iznenađenja od strane najglupljeg čovjeka u Trumpovom timu.

Dvije komisije u Senatu, obje pod republikanskim vodstvom, su zaključile da Biden nije uradio ništa pogrešno.

Ne kažem da nije moglo upaliti.
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konoplja wrote: 24/10/2024 02:04
Osmi Socrates wrote: 24/10/2024 01:59 Šta je bilo oktobarsko iznenađenje 2020?
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Lol :lol:

Sta sa laptopom? Nikoga van MAGA to nikad nije interesovalo. Svima je jasno da je HB debil slican DJT Junioru.
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Osmi Socrates wrote: 24/10/2024 02:11 To je bio pokušaj manufakturiranja oktobarskog iznenađenja od strane najglupljeg čovjeka u Trumpovom timu.

Dvije komisije u Senatu, obje pod republikanskim vodstvom, su zaključile da Biden nije uradio ništa pogrešno.

Ne kažem da nije moglo upaliti.
Nije bitno je li uradio sta pogresno ili ne. Poenta oktobarskog iznenađenja je da ima potencijal da utjece na rezultat izbora.
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konoplja wrote: 24/10/2024 02:17
Osmi Socrates wrote: 24/10/2024 02:11 To je bio pokušaj manufakturiranja oktobarskog iznenađenja od strane najglupljeg čovjeka u Trumpovom timu.

Dvije komisije u Senatu, obje pod republikanskim vodstvom, su zaključile da Biden nije uradio ništa pogrešno.

Ne kažem da nije moglo upaliti.
Nije bitno je li uradio sta pogresno ili ne. Poenta oktobarskog iznenađenja je da ima potencijal da utjece na rezultat izbora.
Da, kao na primjer kad direktor FBI dvije sedmice pred izbore izadje pred javnost i kaze da otvara istragu protiv jednog od kandidata.
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Pa dobro, meni je jasno da su mnogi počeli prihvatati laži kao legitiman način vođenja politike, ali to se ne može računati u oktobarsko iznenađenje.

Ili, kao što Vance kaže, on će nastaviti da izmišlja priče da bi skrenuo pažnju. :lol:

Oktobarsko iznenađenje mora biti bazirano na nekim faktima.

Evo, ovo gore oko ponovnog otvaranja istrage oko Clinton je bilo bazirano na faktima. Možemo do ujutro raspravljati o tome da li je FBI to trebao uraditi dvije sedmice pred izbore. To ne pravi razliku.
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Nisamsdaali wrote: 24/10/2024 01:52 https://x.com/RpsAgainstTrump/status/18 ... 0971337864

Ovo je izgleda u pitanju
Izgleda da jeste. Zao mi je zene (tadasnje djevojcice), ali nazalost, ovo Trumpu moze samo vise glasova donijeti (jer su se opet “urotili” protiv njega)…
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Ma dajte molim vas.
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Zapravo, mislim da je ovo samo jedna od mnogih stvari koje ce isplivati. Ali cekamo jos uvjek da se JFK Jr vrati i kaze da nije poginuo u avionu…

Vidjet cemo…
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Jedan od potencijalnih video dokaza. Mozda izgubi dva glasa, ali tesko…

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Maybe the better analogy is the friend you didn’t know very well in high school, someone who perhaps was quiet and not very popular, who shows up at your 20th reunion on the arm of a loudmouthed boor—think a cross between Herb Tarlek and David Duke—who tells offensive stories and racist jokes. She thinks he’s wonderful and laughs at everything he says.
But what she really enjoys, all these years after high school, is how uncomfortable he’s making you.
And this, in brief, is the problem for Kamala Harris in this election. She and others have likely hoped that, at some point, Trump will reveal himself as such an obvious, existential threat that even many Republican voters will walk away from him. (She delivered a short statement today emphasizing Kelly’s comments.) For millions of the GOP faithful, however, Trump’s daily attempts to breach new frontiers of hideousness are not offensive but reassuring. They want Trump to be awful—precisely because the people they view as their political foes will be so appalled if he wins. If Trump’s campaign was focused on handing out tax breaks and lowering gas prices, he’d be losing, because for his base, none of that yawn-inducing policy stuff is transgressive enough to be exciting. (Just ask Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis, who each in their own way tried to run as a Trump alternative.)
Some Trump voters may believe his lies. But plenty more want Trump to be terrifying and stomach-turning so that reelecting him will be a fully realized act of social revenge. Harris cannot propose any policy, offer any benefit, or adopt any position that competes with that feeling.

Exactly why so many Americans feel this way is a complicated story—I wrote an entire book about it—but a toxic combination of social resentment, entitlement, and racial insecurity drives many Trump voters to believe not only that other Americans are looking down on them but that they are doing so while living an undeservedly good life. These others must be punished or at least brought down to a common level of misery to balance the scales, and Trump is the guy to do it.
Mislim da sam 2020. ovdje pisao da glasanje za Trumpa podrazumijeva jedan nivo sociopatije i nihilizma. Evo ovaj autor iz Atlantica je to bolje artikulisao. Zapravo i onaj clanak JD Vancea iz 2016. o kulturoloskom heroinu je jedan od boljih objasnjenja.
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Harris će zadnji miting prije izbora održati na istom mjestu gdje je Trump imao miting 6. januara.
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#1548 Re: 2024 US elections

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ultima_palabra wrote: 24/10/2024 04:11
Maybe the better analogy is the friend you didn’t know very well in high school, someone who perhaps was quiet and not very popular, who shows up at your 20th reunion on the arm of a loudmouthed boor—think a cross between Herb Tarlek and David Duke—who tells offensive stories and racist jokes. She thinks he’s wonderful and laughs at everything he says.
But what she really enjoys, all these years after high school, is how uncomfortable he’s making you.
And this, in brief, is the problem for Kamala Harris in this election. She and others have likely hoped that, at some point, Trump will reveal himself as such an obvious, existential threat that even many Republican voters will walk away from him. (She delivered a short statement today emphasizing Kelly’s comments.) For millions of the GOP faithful, however, Trump’s daily attempts to breach new frontiers of hideousness are not offensive but reassuring. They want Trump to be awful—precisely because the people they view as their political foes will be so appalled if he wins. If Trump’s campaign was focused on handing out tax breaks and lowering gas prices, he’d be losing, because for his base, none of that yawn-inducing policy stuff is transgressive enough to be exciting. (Just ask Nikki Haley and Ron DeSantis, who each in their own way tried to run as a Trump alternative.)
Some Trump voters may believe his lies. But plenty more want Trump to be terrifying and stomach-turning so that reelecting him will be a fully realized act of social revenge. Harris cannot propose any policy, offer any benefit, or adopt any position that competes with that feeling.

Exactly why so many Americans feel this way is a complicated story—I wrote an entire book about it—but a toxic combination of social resentment, entitlement, and racial insecurity drives many Trump voters to believe not only that other Americans are looking down on them but that they are doing so while living an undeservedly good life. These others must be punished or at least brought down to a common level of misery to balance the scales, and Trump is the guy to do it.
Mislim da sam 2020. ovdje pisao da glasanje za Trumpa podrazumijeva jedan nivo sociopatije i nihilizma. Evo ovaj autor iz Atlantica je to bolje artikulisao. Zapravo i onaj clanak JD Vancea iz 2016. o kulturoloskom heroinu je jedan od boljih objasnjenja.
Ma o ovim deplorables je davno sve vec ispricano.

Za mene nisu oni problem, vec ona manjina sto i dalje ipak glasa za Trumpa iako znaju da je kreten - jer misle da ce placati manje poreze, jer misle da ce biti manje kriminala, jer misle da ce Amerika biti mocnija u svijetu jer je on zajeban lik, i slicno.
Meni uopste ne smeta kad odem negdje u country side i vidim neku kucu zaraslu u korov, a pored nje ogromna zastava "Let's go Brandon", ili tako nesto. Ne, meni smeta kad se provozam bogatim naseljem i vidim MAGA zastavice i slicno.
To su ljudi za koje je postajala nada da ce promjeniti plocu. To su ljudi zbog kojih se Harris kampanja kao sto rekoh "okrenula udesno". Nikki Haley glasaci.

A ovi prvi, postojali su i postojace.
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A mislis da njih ne pokrece isto sto i ove, samo zato sto su bogati? Citao sam analizu koja kaze da zapravo najveci trumpisti nisu siromasni, nego bogati iz siromasnih krajeva, neka vrsta vlastele raspadajucih okruga. Njima je svako drugi kriv zato sto ta mjesta nisu kao prije 50 godina.
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Demokrate su najveci kraljevi, naprave 101 politiku da otimaju pare od sredine i onda se cude zasto se stvori kontrateza.

Trump je reakcija na Obama, koji je prvi predsjednik koji je svijet gledao DEI ocima.

No to je toliko duboko dio demokratakog DNA, da nisu svjesni koliko su radikalni. Ispran mozak kroz obrazovni sistem, pa je spol nesto sto se bira a uspjeh nesto sto se ne mora zaraditi i nije odraz sposobnosti.
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