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#15226 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 04/02/2016 07:25
by Drvenija87
Syrian and Turkish fronts

Something like that we can see now: Russia has taken an "active defense."

The first front of the defense had been deployed in the Crimea, the second - on the Ukrainian Donbas, the third - in Syria.

Gradually emerging tactical tasks, which should provide the above mentioned fronts: the Crimea became a huge naval base, designed to restrict the Black Sea Fleet Ukrainian and possible actions of the Allied fleet of Ukraine; challenge Donbas front - to be resource consuming problem for Ukraine, as both a testing ground for Russian weapons platform for disposal of obsolete munitions and training base for the training of military personnel; on the Syrian front, Russia conducts active military actions designed to strengthen her position in an effort to reach their goals - destabilization of the region to keep the impact on North Africa and the Middle East, to prevent the creation of anti-Russian alliances, and so on (in fact, the goals are much more, but their delineation - are not the subject of this article). Between the fronts established serious level of communication and logistics.
However, in the Donbas not only prepare personnel for the war in Syria, he is transformed into Donbass manufacturer and supplier of arms, which are then illegally supplied to terrorist organizations in the Middle East, such as Hezbollah, Islamic State (IG), Hamas.

For example, in Starobeshevo district of Donetsk region, at the facilities of Komsomolsk Mine Group deployed the production of man-portable air defense systems "Grad-P" (which is a guide mounted on a tripod, with a view) warhead which is unified with the warheads MLRS BM-21 "Grad ".

Taking into account the fact that in the Donets Basin are widely used directly themselves MLRS BM-21 "Grad", and various artillery systems, there is a logical question - the purposes for which the data are made portable systems? After their application on the front line of several hundred kilometers frankly inefficient, as opposed to applications in residential areas and densely populated with dense buildings ...

He was soon found the answer to this question - at the beginning of 2016 was captured by Ukrainian military transport carrying MANPADS "Grad-P". But the most interesting was not very weapons, and the language in which the instructions were drawn up for its use - Arabic. This means that the final recipients of MANPADS "Grad-P", produced in Donbass are forces leading the terrorist activities in the Middle East and part-faithful allies of the Kremlin - Hamas, Hezbollah, and the IG.

Thus, on the face of the double game which leads Russia to the Syrian front: his official ally - Assad, it is almost legally delivers serious weaponry, but do not forget through it and directly nurture terrorist organizations, illegally throwing them the means to maintain instability in the region.

And if before the delivery of arms to Hezbollah was not directly and through Syria, it is now the Lebanese guerrillas have made ​​no secret of such deliveries, directly and frankly afishiruya direct contacts with Russia.

Also, it is no secret illegal supply of Russian arms to Hamas, in particular, anti-tank missile complexes "Cornet", what was stated by the official Tel Aviv in January 2015, moreover, the Israeli Air Force in 2015, was applied to the repeated rocket attacks on Syria, whose purpose were the latest examples of Russian military equipment, which could pose a threat to the Jewish state.

In this section of Donbass it is very important for the Kremlin - in the case of seizure of illegally supplied weapons and charge Moscow, the latter easily come out dry from the water by shifting the blame on Ukraine, which, they say, is unable to control its territory and to exercise her export control regime for the supply of arms.

We dare to assume that in the near future we will witness the scandals associated with the identification of Hezbollah, Hamas and the IG illegally put heavy weapons.

But, of course, Russia will be in this situation, "there is nothing", because such weapons will be seized by any number of the same Donbass, a Ukrainian stockpiles of captured in the Crimea.

Driving such supplies (as well as fighters) is very simple: from the Donbass weapons have been channeled to the sea port of Novorossiysk, loaded on a warship and sent to the same notorious Syrian port of Tartus. And from the Crimea (the naval base in Sevastopol, the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian Federation) to Syria, Russia began to supply weapons even before the beginning of its full-scale military operation in the Middle East in 2015.

In this situation it found itself in a very difficult situation, Turkey: on the one hand, according to the requirements of the Montreux Convention, Turkey does not have the right to prevent the passage through its straits Russian military courts, on the other hand, the Turkish leadership is well aware that the weapons supplied by Moscow to Syria actively spreading in the region, causing destabilization and creating large pockets of tension near the southern Turkish border.

Simultaneously with these events, the country intensified Kurdish separatists clash between them and the police began to occur more and more often.

So the situation evolved to 24 November last year. And then over the territory of Turkey was hit by a Russian bomber Su-24, and then moved to Moscow regime of open confrontation with Turkey.

It is expected the Russians began to play the "Kurdish party" and already on December 23 in Moscow, Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov held talks with the leader of the Kurdish opposition in Turkey Selahattin Demirtas.

Following this, fighting for the Turkish border have moved sharply in the Turkish province of Sirnak, Diyarbakir and Mardin, where Ankara was forced to declare a state of emergency and introduce troops.

Thus, the Kremlin has marked for himself another enemy in the Middle East - Turkey, with which it has entered into another "hybrid war", with the only difference being that against the Ukrainian military war "Russian volunteers", and against the Turkish - Turkish and Syrian Kurds .

Tragically, the war in Ukraine and Syria are far from their endings, since the main aggressor - the Kremlin - has not yet been able to achieve its goals. So the situation will get worse at the front with a tendency to escalate.

Russia continues to further saturate the Middle East arms, delivering them virtually all parties to the conflict - Assad, Hezbollah, Hamas, the IG.

In addition, Russia is likely to have supplied weapons to Kurdish separatists and the volume of deliveries will increase, so that Ankara will be forced to divert substantial resources to the suppression of the Kurdish uprisings in the territory.

Also, it has the tendency of the Russian leadership at all costs to prevent the establishment of good neighborly relations between Turkey and Iraqi Kurdistan, which was one of the main aims of Turkish diplomacy for the last time, which means that Russia's aim is inspiring full-Turkey-PKK conflict.

Therefore, the consequences that may result from the current policy of the Kremlin government, and even multiplied by the years of conflict and mutual claims of the Middle East, is to predict not taken one.

As further consequences of recent events in Europe (Syrian refugees, terrorist attacks, massive attacks), followed by the far background, too, somehow looming shadow of the Kremlin ...

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#15227 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 04/02/2016 07:27
by sarajevoxxxx
Tursko-sirijska granica: Turkneni dobro došli, arapi vratite se u smrt

Ifrin u potpunosti otvorio vrata svim arapima sunitima.

#15228 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 04/02/2016 07:54
by Mlohavi
sarajevoxxxx wrote:Tursko-sirijska granica: Turkneni dobro došli, arapi vratite se u smrt

Ifrin u potpunosti otvorio vrata svim arapima sunitima.
Uvijek se mogu predati ako su nosili oruzje il' cekati SAA kao civili, a i borba za Kurdistan valjda treba borce pa nek' se zahvale prijateljima. :thumbup:

#15229 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 04/02/2016 08:14
by sarajevoxxxx
Mlohavi wrote:
sarajevoxxxx wrote:Tursko-sirijska granica: Turkneni dobro došli, arapi vratite se u smrt

Ifrin u potpunosti otvorio vrata svim arapima sunitima.
Uvijek se mogu predati ako su nosili oruzje il' cekati SAA kao civili, a i borba za Kurdistan valjda treba borce pa nek' se zahvale prijateljima. :thumbup:
Ne daju ženama djeci. Ne radi se o vojno sposobnima.

#15230 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 04/02/2016 08:30
by ifas
sarajevoxxxx wrote:Tursko-sirijska granica: Turkneni dobro došli, arapi vratite se u smrt

Ifrin u potpunosti otvorio vrata svim arapima sunitima.
Eto vam babe erdogana, poslo vas je u rat sad se pusite.

#15231 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 04/02/2016 08:33
by Kikibombona
YPG preuzeo selo Ziraja sjeverno od Nubla i Zara!

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Navodno, YPG je usao u selo na zahtjev lokalnog stanovnistva...

Brko je pojava, nema sta :D

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#15232 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 04/02/2016 08:34
by ifas
General War wrote:Mislili ste da i S400 moze zastit Assada, pa vas Izraelci demantovase :D
cak i savo bolje podnosi novi razvoj situacije, i bolje skriva gorcinu.

#15233 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 04/02/2016 08:35
by ifas
Vec dugo nema ni na twiteru nista o Deir EzZoru, ima li ko kakvih informacija, moze i proisilovskih?

#15234 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 04/02/2016 08:37
by Kikibombona
Nubl i Zara docekali SAA borce... ili bolje reci, siitske milicije... :D

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Davno sam ja govorio forumasu Opetja. Pobunjenici moraju zavrsiti sukob prije nego rat u Iraku bude gotov. Kada u Iraku zavrsi, kada se bude privodilo kraju, eto desetine hiljada siitskih vojnika u Siriji...

A oni nisu kao ovi iz SAA da se plase. Njihov motiv je neuporedivo veci. Vidjelo se sada kako kidisu na sjeveru prema siitski enklavama Nubl i Zara. Konacno su dosli u priliku da Emevije poraze na gostujucem terenu! :D

#15235 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 04/02/2016 08:47
by General War
ifas wrote:
General War wrote:Mislili ste da i S400 moze zastit Assada, pa vas Izraelci demantovase :D
cak i savo bolje podnosi novi razvoj situacije, i bolje skriva gorcinu.
Od cega gorcina? :razz: doduse kad se zivi u paralelnom svijetu svasta se sebi umisli.

#15236 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 04/02/2016 08:49
by ifas
General War wrote:
ifas wrote:
General War wrote:Mislili ste da i S400 moze zastit Assada, pa vas Izraelci demantovase :D
cak i savo bolje podnosi novi razvoj situacije, i bolje skriva gorcinu.
Od cega gorcina? :razz: doduse kad se zivi u paralelnom svijetu svasta se sebi umisli.
:kiss: Ne daj se bice bolje

#15237 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 04/02/2016 08:52
by Kikibombona
Kako se samo Turci igraju sa Arapima i dzihadistima u Siriji...

Nagovorili su ih da idu na istok, zabijati se u ISILovu dubinu, samo da bi uzeli sto veci teritorij prije nego uzmu Kurdi. Samoubilacka akcija. Jedva imaju dovoljno ljudi da se brane na tom dijelu ratista, a oni jadni krenuli u ofanzivu. :-) Jos su uz to napali Kurde u Efrinu koji su ih ekspresno razvalili, pa su morali plakati kod Amerikanaca koji su upozorili YPG i porucili da ne napadaju dzihadiste jer medju njima ima boraca tzv. FSA. Umjesto da jacaju odbranu prema SAA, oni pokusavaju napredovati protiv ISILa i Kurda. :-)

I naravno, kazna ih je stigla.

Turci su zatvorili granicu za Arape sa sjevera Alepa. Nema uci nikome. Turci ne zele pad enklave, pa taman da svi izginu. Ne zele da Kurdi osvoje to podrucje. Od 'buffer zone' za sada nema nista, osim ako ne prelome i odmah sada udju u Siriju. Sutra vec moze biti kasno.

Dakle, za sada je 10 000 arapskih civila uslo u Efrin. YPG je naredio da se otvore svi punktovi za prolazak civila. Medju Kurdima ima onih koji smatraju da bi ih ovakva odluka mogla skupo kostati, ali pomoc civilima svakako nema alternativu. Moras pustiti ljude koji nemaju gdje...

Arapi na putu ka Efrinu. Onako zalosna slika... jedna od tezih u posljednje vrijeme... nesto me pogodise pogledi ove djecice... umjesto da se skoluju i igraju...

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#15238 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 04/02/2016 08:57
by Drvenija87
Kikibombona wrote:Nubl i Zara docekali SAA borce... ili bolje reci, siitske milicije... :D

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Davno sam ja govorio forumasu Opetja. Pobunjenici moraju zavrsiti sukob prije nego rat u Iraku bude gotov. Kada u Iraku zavrsi, kada se bude privodilo kraju, eto desetine hiljada siitskih vojnika u Siriji...

A oni nisu kao ovi iz SAA da se plase. Njihov motiv je neuporedivo veci. Vidjelo se sada kako kidisu na sjeveru prema siitski enklavama Nubl i Zara. Konacno su dosli u priliku da Emevije poraze na gostujucem terenu! :D
Ja bojovnika i prdimahune.Da im nije bilo zracne potpore nikad nebi imali pomaka.
Uostalom,da li su do sada zauzeli i jedan veci grad?

U vezi tih slika i slavlja...
Tako su i Hitlerove trupe slavile na ulazu u Staljingrad,i sto na koncu bi?
Alepo je drugi Staljingrad.

#15239 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 04/02/2016 08:57
by sumirprimus
ifas wrote:
:kiss: Ne daj se bice bolje
sta fali trenutnom?

#15240 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 04/02/2016 09:01
by General War
ifas wrote:
General War wrote: Od cega gorcina? :razz: doduse kad se zivi u paralelnom svijetu svasta se sebi umisli.
:kiss: Ne daj se bice bolje
To ti kazem, moras bit pozitivan 8-)

#15241 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 04/02/2016 09:02
by Kikibombona
Drvenija87 wrote:
Kikibombona wrote:Nubl i Zara docekali SAA borce... ili bolje reci, siitske milicije... :D

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Davno sam ja govorio forumasu Opetja. Pobunjenici moraju zavrsiti sukob prije nego rat u Iraku bude gotov. Kada u Iraku zavrsi, kada se bude privodilo kraju, eto desetine hiljada siitskih vojnika u Siriji...

A oni nisu kao ovi iz SAA da se plase. Njihov motiv je neuporedivo veci. Vidjelo se sada kako kidisu na sjeveru prema siitski enklavama Nubl i Zara. Konacno su dosli u priliku da Emevije poraze na gostujucem terenu! :D
Ja bojovnika i prdimahune.Da im nije bilo zracne potpore nikad nebi imali pomaka.
Uostalom,da li su do sada zauzeli i jedan veci grad?

U vezi tih slika i slavlja...
Tako su i Hitlerove trupe slavile na ulazu u Staljingrad,i sto na koncu bi?
Alepo je drugi Staljingrad.
Pa ovi ljudi u Nublu i Zari su bili okruzeni... dakle, Staljingrad...

Al Kaida je napadala siitsku enklavu...

Krvozedne spodobe...

Da li bi voljela da su usli u dva gradica i poklali siite?

#15242 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 04/02/2016 09:07
by ifas
Kikibombona wrote: Pa ovi ljudi u Nublu i Zari su bili okruzeni... dakle, Staljingrad...

Al Kaida je napadala siitsku enklavu...

Krvozedne spodobe...

Da li bi voljela da su usli u dva gradica i poklali siite?
Naravno da bi, njihova krv, zene, djeca i imetak su halal.

#15243 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 04/02/2016 09:31
by Maystor
Izuzetno oštre riječi (unače umjerenog) Sergeja Lavrova ovih dana. Naprosto dominira scenom, možda i više od ruskih aviona na terenu.
Najznačajniji elementi:

The key component for the ceasefire to be operational is the burning issue of arms smuggling across the Turkish-Syrian border, supplying the militants [in Syria],” Lavrov said.
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“Entertaining a hope that ultimatum-like pre-conditions could help solve problems, I believe, is a short-sighted and dead-end policy,” Lavrov said.

“It looks like certain members of that [Riyadh-formed] delegation have been excessively pampered by their sponsors, our Turkish neighbors in the first place, which unilaterally blocked from the [current] negotiations the powerful and influential Syrian Kurdish Democratic Union Party (PYD),” Lavrov noted.
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Mene ponašanje "opozicije" podsjeća na situaciju u Egiptu nakon vojnog udara generala Sisonje, kada je MB iznosilo sulude zahtjeve kao preduslov za razgovor. Znamo kako su završili. Teroristi u Siriji nisu u poziciji da postavljaju bilo kakve preduslove za pregovore.

#15244 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 04/02/2016 09:33
by Grean
mirsek wrote: Nemaju svi suniti motiva da ratuju za Assada ali je ogromna vecina SAA sastavljena od sunita sto znaci da vecinom ratuju suniti protiv sunita.
Znaci suplja aleviti i sije protiv sunita ne pije vode.
Vecina Sirije je neutralna ili za Asada u odnosu na manjinu koja je protiv njega.
Jos jedna suplja ode u solju.
Koji kurac saudijska vehabija i Turska imaju traziti odlazak Asada i aktivno raditi na njegovom rusenju ako vecina Sirije nije protiv njega ili im je u najgorem slucaju svejedno on ili pobunjenici.
Znaci jedna fina poluotvorena agresija od strana KSA i Turske kao i njhovih sefova anglo-cionista a sve zato sto Sirija nije pod njihovim kisobranom i ne mogu da joj naredjuju sta da radi.
Ovo na kraju, ne sjecam se, da nije Homs mozda ??
Sto je to bitno ?
Tipicna zamjena teza.

Neko ko ima vecinsku podrsku naroda ne puca na demonstrante. Formula je jednostavna, izadjes na slobodne demokratske izbore i pometes opoziciju.

Da su njegovi protivnici zapucali prvi onda bi mozda mantra o huskanju Saudije i Turske pila vode ali svi znamo kako su pale prve zrtve u Siriji i ko je odlucio da brani svoju poziciju pod cijenu krvi. To ne mogu ni najzesci zagovornici teorije zavjera negirati. Da je on imao tu imaginarnu podrsku o kojoj pricas nista od ovog mu ne bi bilo potrebno.

#15245 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 04/02/2016 09:44
by ifas
Grean wrote:
mirsek wrote: Nemaju svi suniti motiva da ratuju za Assada ali je ogromna vecina SAA sastavljena od sunita sto znaci da vecinom ratuju suniti protiv sunita.
Znaci suplja aleviti i sije protiv sunita ne pije vode.
Vecina Sirije je neutralna ili za Asada u odnosu na manjinu koja je protiv njega.
Jos jedna suplja ode u solju.
Koji kurac saudijska vehabija i Turska imaju traziti odlazak Asada i aktivno raditi na njegovom rusenju ako vecina Sirije nije protiv njega ili im je u najgorem slucaju svejedno on ili pobunjenici.
Znaci jedna fina poluotvorena agresija od strana KSA i Turske kao i njhovih sefova anglo-cionista a sve zato sto Sirija nije pod njihovim kisobranom i ne mogu da joj naredjuju sta da radi.
Ovo na kraju, ne sjecam se, da nije Homs mozda ??
Sto je to bitno ?
Tipicna zamjena teza.

Neko ko ima vecinsku podrsku naroda ne puca na demonstrante. Formula je jednostavna, izadjes na slobodne demokratske izbore i pometes opoziciju.

Da su njegovi protivnici zapucali prvi onda bi mozda mantra o huskanju Saudije i Turske pila vode ali svi znamo kako su pale prve zrtve u Siriji i ko je odlucio da brani svoju poziciju pod cijenu krvi. To ne mogu ni najzesci zagovornici teorije zavjera negirati. Da je on imao tu imaginarnu podrsku o kojoj pricas nista od ovog mu ne bi bilo potrebno.

A mi znamo ko je zapucao prvi ?

#15246 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 04/02/2016 09:47
by Maystor
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#15247 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 04/02/2016 09:51
by General War
ifas wrote:
Grean wrote:
mirsek wrote: Nemaju svi suniti motiva da ratuju za Assada ali je ogromna vecina SAA sastavljena od sunita sto znaci da vecinom ratuju suniti protiv sunita.
Znaci suplja aleviti i sije protiv sunita ne pije vode.
Vecina Sirije je neutralna ili za Asada u odnosu na manjinu koja je protiv njega.
Jos jedna suplja ode u solju.
Koji kurac saudijska vehabija i Turska imaju traziti odlazak Asada i aktivno raditi na njegovom rusenju ako vecina Sirije nije protiv njega ili im je u najgorem slucaju svejedno on ili pobunjenici.
Znaci jedna fina poluotvorena agresija od strana KSA i Turske kao i njhovih sefova anglo-cionista a sve zato sto Sirija nije pod njihovim kisobranom i ne mogu da joj naredjuju sta da radi.
Ovo na kraju, ne sjecam se, da nije Homs mozda ??
Sto je to bitno ?
Tipicna zamjena teza.

Neko ko ima vecinsku podrsku naroda ne puca na demonstrante. Formula je jednostavna, izadjes na slobodne demokratske izbore i pometes opoziciju.

Da su njegovi protivnici zapucali prvi onda bi mozda mantra o huskanju Saudije i Turske pila vode ali svi znamo kako su pale prve zrtve u Siriji i ko je odlucio da brani svoju poziciju pod cijenu krvi. To ne mogu ni najzesci zagovornici teorije zavjera negirati. Da je on imao tu imaginarnu podrsku o kojoj pricas nista od ovog mu ne bi bilo potrebno.

A mi znamo ko je zapucao prvi ?
Erdogan ili Obumba, jedan od te dvojice zasigurno

:zzzz:

#15248 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 04/02/2016 09:57
by ifas
General War wrote: Erdogan ili Obumba, jedan od te dvojice zasigurno

:zzzz:
:kiss: izdrzi starac

#15249 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 04/02/2016 10:10
by sumirprimus
nasa posla...

#15250 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 04/02/2016 10:21
by Grean
Maystor wrote:Image
Ima li boljeg demanta o navodnoj podrsci sunita Butcheru Asadu.

Maystorov post je vise rekao nego sve drugo sto je postavljeno o sektastvu familije Asad, mada mu to nije bila namjera.