#15151 Re: Irak
Posted: 25/09/2017 21:46
Cojk bi reko da si do sada zauzeo makar petnest gradova
Odo se samouhapsit zbog ovog.Tito_i_Partija wrote:Popravio sam ti post. Kako si bolan mog'o ovo pogrijesit'?Krokodajl wrote:Današnji dan je zadnji dan Iraka i zadnji dan tzv. Kurdistana, uskoro prijateljska utakmica Turska - Iran na stadionu Sultan Recep Tayyip Erdogan u Kerkuku

Zanimljiv procenat. A kad Bašar ovol'ko osvoji, ne valja.Krokodajl wrote:Evo Rudaw objavio 97% glasalo za Kurdistan.
Haj da vidimo ko će sad da proglasi republiku.
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Što bi @tepsija rekao, neki su toliko čekali na ovaj trenutak da su glasali i za djeda i prdjeda i čukundjeda i sve do Saladina unazad za familiju koji nisu imali priliku glasat na referendumu.


Devastated I couldn't be in Erbil today for referendum but proudly wore my Kurdistan flag today. Now off to celebrate with Kurdish friends.

https://twitter.com/paul__johnson/statu ... 2325106693Paul JohnsonVerified account @paul__johnson 48m48 minutes ago
'The best day of my life': Iraqi Kurds vote in independence referendum
Ono sto sam vec pisao, jos jednom:The PMF is indeed multi-ethnic and transcends sectarian lines, counting some 30,000 Sunnis, 3,000 Turkmen, 2,000 Shabak, 1,000 Christians and now 1,350 Yazidis in its ranks. As the country’s most effective fighting force against ISIS, the PMF, whether intentionally or not, has come to be seen as a protector of Iraq’s minorities, which explains why so many members of minority groups, like the Yazidis, have joined it.
Toplo preporucujem da procitate cijeli (zaista opsiran) prilog za shvatanje situacije u Iraku, mimo rudawove i ostale cio-propagande.I spent a week embedded w/ the Yazidi PMF. Hundreds defected from the peshmerga & PKK to join. They blame the peshmerga for their genocide
Kakva sunitska država na teritoriji Iraka osim Kurdistana? Pa irački suniti su velikom većinom upravo Kurdi. Irak ima 37 miliona stanovnika od čega su suniti 20% to jest 7,5 miliona. Od toga su Kurdi 5,5 miliona a arapski suniti 2 miliona. Šije su 24 miliona. Ako se odcjepi Kurdistan ostaje 2 miliona sunita i 24 miliona šija u Iraku. Naravno, sunita je sad sigurno još manje nakon ovog poraza isila.Kikibombona wrote:Da su Kurdi okruzeni iskljucivo Turcima i Irancima bila bi znatno teza situacija.
Stvar olaksavaju dvije vjestacke arapske drzave - Irak i Sirija.
Kurdi su sada prakticno blokirani od strane 'siitskog bloka', na celu sa Iranom, sateltiskom siitskom vladom u Bagdadu i dikatorskim pro-siitskim rezimom u Damasku.
Siitska vlada u Bagdadu ima podrsku gradjana juzno od Bagdada. Sve zapadno i sjeverno ne moze smisliti siitsku vlast. Izmedju Kurda i siita su suniti, svojevrsna tampon zona. Ako siitska vlada u Bagdadu bude insistirala na sukobu, nece proci dugo prije nego izbije nova sunitska pobuna, ovaj put uz podrsku Kurdistana. Sije ce opet bjezati do Bagdada. Imajte na umu da je ISIL, mala skupina u papucama i dronjcima, najurila siitsku vojsku do Bagdada za mjesec dana. Pola drzave su uzeli na blitzkrieg. Iracka armija je neuporedivo brojnija i bolje opremljena od ISILa, ali je njihov brobeni motiv nikakav. Nemaju podrsku lokalnog sunitskog stanovnistva. Dakle, ako siiti budu insistirali na sukobu, ako maksimalno radikalizuju situaciju, suniti ce formirati drzavu uz pomoc Kurdistana, Amerike i zaljevskih monarhija. Ko malo detaljnije prati zna da je siitska pozicija u Iraku veoma krhka i da stvarnu podrsku imanu samo u siitskim predjelima. Sa formiranjem sunitske drzave na teritorinu Iraka, Kurdi bi se spojili sa prijateljskim Jordanom i blokada bi bila okoncana. Imali bi izlaz na Mediteran i to je to.
Apsolutno netacno!Obi Wan Bosnian wrote:Kakva sunitska država na teritoriji Iraka osim Kurdistana? Pa irački suniti su velikom većinom upravo Kurdi. Irak ima 37 miliona stanovnika od čega su suniti 20% to jest 7,5 miliona. Od toga su Kurdi 5,5 miliona a arapski suniti 2 miliona. Šije su 24 miliona. Ako se odcjepi Kurdistan ostaje 2 miliona sunita i 24 miliona šija u Iraku. Naravno, sunita je sad sigurno još manje nakon ovog poraza isila.
Etnicka mapa Iraka. Crveno - sije, zeleno - suni, zuto - Kurdi, bijelo - pustinjaIraq's Muslims follow two distinct traditions, Shia and Sunni Islam. According to the 2016 CIA Factbook, Iraq is 85% Muslim: 60-65% Shia (Arabs, Feyli Kurds, Turkmen, et al.) and 32-37% Sunni (Arabs and Kurds).[3] A 2011 Pew Research Center Survey found that Iraqi Muslims are 51% Shia, 42% Sunni, and 5% described themselves as "Just a Muslim".

Obrati se wikipediji:Kikibombona wrote:Apsolutno netacno!Obi Wan Bosnian wrote:Kakva sunitska država na teritoriji Iraka osim Kurdistana? Pa irački suniti su velikom većinom upravo Kurdi. Irak ima 37 miliona stanovnika od čega su suniti 20% to jest 7,5 miliona. Od toga su Kurdi 5,5 miliona a arapski suniti 2 miliona. Šije su 24 miliona. Ako se odcjepi Kurdistan ostaje 2 miliona sunita i 24 miliona šija u Iraku. Naravno, sunita je sad sigurno još manje nakon ovog poraza isila.
Obrati se ti, naletio si na pogresne podatke.Obi Wan Bosnian wrote:
Obrati se wikipediji:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Iraq
Religions
Shia 65%
Sunni 20%
Christian 6%
Yazidis 3%
Shabaks 2%
Zoroastrianism 0.6%
Mandeans 0.1%
Hindu 0.1%
Buddhist 0.1%
Jewish 0.1%
Folk religion 0.1
Unaffiliated 0.1
Other 0.1
87% of Iraqis follow Islam: 65%-75% Shia and 15%-21% Sunni.
Suni Arapi su brojniji od Kurda i zive na nesto vecem teritoriju.Stanovništvo Iraka etnički je i vjerski heterogeno, iako je Islam najzastupljenija religija i pripada mu više od 95% stanovništva. Tri dominantne zajednice su Arapi-Šiiti (oko 60% stanovništva), Arapi-Suniti (oko 20%) i Kurdi (oko 15%).





A imaš li ti neku normalnu osim običnog kafanskog podjebavanja?insomnia78 wrote:Cojk bi reko da si do sada zauzeo makar petnest gradova
Pa ovo je najnormalnija sto moRe. Po cemu je on kompetentan za onakve analize?GIVI wrote:A imaš li ti neku normalnu osim običnog kafanskog podjebavanja?insomnia78 wrote:Cojk bi reko da si do sada zauzeo makar petnest gradova
zrakomlat wrote:i Kipar izgledasunceKOtepsija wrote:Turska prema sporazumu iz Ankare (ako je vjerovati analiticarima turskim) ima pravo u slucaju promjena grqanica da izvrsi ankesiju Mosula, Kirkuka i Halepa![]()
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Predsjednik 2016.Speaking at a public rally on October 22, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said that "We did not accept our borders voluntarily."
His words came at a time when the pro-government media was publishing maps depicting Ottoman borders encompassing an area that included Iraq's second largest city, Mosul, a former Ottoman province.
On the same day, he said:
.... We cannot act in the year 2016 with the psychology of 1923. To insist on [the borders accepted in 1923] is the greatest injustice to be done to the country and to the nation.

Turska protjerala predstavnike KDP i uklonila Rudaw TV sa satelita!Salih Muslim: The [Kurdistan] referendum is a right. If there is an attack on our people there, we are ready to help in military defence.
Mnogi americki kongresmeni, narocito Demokrate, pozvali vlasti Amerike da priznaju kurdistanski referendum.Carles PuigdemontVerified account @KRLS 4h4 hours ago
This morning I called President @masoud_barzani to congratulate him on the #KurdistanReferendum. We wished each other great success
Amerika i Evropa pozivaju da se strasti smire i da se Erbil i Bagdad fokusiraju na borbu protiv ISILa.UK has long history of ties with #Kurdish Region of Iraq. This will continue including cooperation in fight against #Daesh @UKagainstDaesh
https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2017/09/274419.htmThe United States is deeply disappointed that the Kurdistan Regional Government decided to conduct today a unilateral referendum on independence, including in areas outside of the Iraqi Kurdistan Region. The United States' historic relationship with the people of the Iraqi Kurdistan Region will not change in light of today's non-binding referendum, but we believe this step will increase instability and hardships for the Kurdistan region and its people.
The unilateral referendum will greatly complicate the Kurdistan Regional Government's relationship with both the Government of Iraq and neighboring states. The fight against ISIS is not over, and extremist groups are seeking to exploit instability and discord. We believe all sides should engage constructively in a dialogue to improve the future of all Iraqis. The United States opposes violence and unilateral moves by any party to alter boundaries.
The United States supports a united, federal, democratic and prosperous Iraq and will continue to seek opportunities to assist Iraqis to fulfill their aspirations within the framework of the constitution.
#Live: Barzani speaking on #KurdistanReferendum: We have entered a new stage
Hajder al-Abadi, premijer Iraka, je umjeren covjek, al' je pod snaznim pritiskom arapskog sovinizma. Mora zaostriti ako zeli ostati na politickoj sceni. Ipak, danas zvuci pomirljivije...Barzani tells Baghdad: You don't have to be angry, or issue threats. You forced us to make this decision
https://twitter.com/HaiderAlAbadi/statu ... 3260688385We will protect the rights of all Iraqis including our Kurdish citizens, we will not punish them for the mistakes of regional officials
Arrests and raids have started to occur through Rojhelat by Iranian security forces on Kurds for last nights protests and celebrations.
Izlaznost 72.16%.asker wrote:I sta ce sad Kurdi s ovim referendumom?
Ozbiljno pitanje. Hoce li uspostavit granice, podnijeti zahtjev za prijem u UN, novi pasosi, tablice, valuta??? Hoce li se skinut' s Bagdadske sise u vidu finansiranja?
Il' je ovo Dodikovski, samo anketa?
Evo na dnevniku FTV rekose 3,3 miliona glasalo. Kako smo bombardovani propagandom na temi, malo je to kume.
http://www.nrttv.com/en/Details.aspx?Jimare=16724"When we start imposing our sanctions, they [Kurds] will be left in the lurch. It will be over when we close the oil taps, all (their) revenues will vanish, and they will not be able to find food when our trucks stop going to northern Iraq,” Erdogan said on Tuesday (September 26).