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#151 Re: Bauk E-Coli kruži Evropom

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Amidza Efendija wrote:
PipiDugaDevetka wrote: Ukupno 25 osoba umrlo je do sada od infekcije koju je prouzrokovala smrtonosna bakterija, a žena koja je preminula u Švedskoj boravila je u Njemačkoj.
Samo radi poredjenja,
Worldwide it was estimated in 2004 that 1.2 million people were killed (2.2% of all deaths) and 50 million more were injured in motor vehicle collisions. India recorded 105,000 traffic deaths in a year, followed by China with over 96,000 deaths. This makes motor vehicle collisions the leading cause of injury death among children worldwide 10 – 19 years old (260,000 children die a year, 10 million are injured).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_collision

Odmah odoh kupiti lutriju, jer su mi sanse za zgoditak, i to svake sedmice po jednom, mnogo vece nego pogibelj od eserihije.
Opasnost od ešerihije traje 3-4 sedmice, opasnost od drugih saobraćajnih nesreća traje 150 godina. Kako je moguće porediti te dvije različite opasnosti i procenat smrtnosti?
Izračunaj broj i nađi procenat smrtnosti od auto-nesreća na istom području na kojem se nalazi žarište ešerihije (Hamburg), i uporedi sa brojem i procentom smrtnosti od bakterije.
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#152 Re: Bauk E-Coli kruži Evropom

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poznanik wrote:
Amidza Efendija wrote:
PipiDugaDevetka wrote: Ukupno 25 osoba umrlo je do sada od infekcije koju je prouzrokovala smrtonosna bakterija, a žena koja je preminula u Švedskoj boravila je u Njemačkoj.
Samo radi poredjenja,
Worldwide it was estimated in 2004 that 1.2 million people were killed (2.2% of all deaths) and 50 million more were injured in motor vehicle collisions. India recorded 105,000 traffic deaths in a year, followed by China with over 96,000 deaths. This makes motor vehicle collisions the leading cause of injury death among children worldwide 10 – 19 years old (260,000 children die a year, 10 million are injured).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_collision

Odmah odoh kupiti lutriju, jer su mi sanse za zgoditak, i to svake sedmice po jednom, mnogo vece nego pogibelj od eserihije.
Opasnost od ešerihije traje 3-4 sedmice, opasnost od drugih saobraćajnih nesreća traje 150 godina. Kako je moguće porediti te dvije različite opasnosti i procenat smrtnosti?
Izračunaj broj i nađi procenat smrtnosti od auto-nesreća na istom području na kojem se nalazi žarište ešerihije (Hamburg), i uporedi sa brojem i procentom smrtnosti od bakterije.
Ova eserihija -- 5 sedmica -> vise od mjesec dana. Ne mogu vjerovati da ne mozes podijeliti broj od 1.2 miliona na 12 mjeseci. Evo ja cu: 100,000. STO HILJADA MRTVIH MJESECNO. DJECE PREKO 20,000 MJESECNO. Zamisli da ih toliko izgine od eserihije, svijet bi na glavi dubio, totalni raspad sistema -- kupuj zlato i oruzje pa bjezi u planine.

Ali posto je od auta, hebe nam se.

I jos nesto: dogovori se sam sa sobom -- da li je ovo svjetska epidemija, ili samo lokalna pojava u Hamburgu. Procitaj gore, zrtva je i osoba iz Svedske. Ali ako mislis da je lokalna, ne znam onda sto smo se mi Bosnje nasekirali. U nas jos niko nije umro. U saobracajnim nesrecama u nas pojava je svakodnevna.
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vidi efendija a psuje, sram te bilo efendija :lol:
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Amidza Efendija wrote:Ova eserihija -- 5 sedmica -> vise od mjesec dana. Ne mogu vjerovati da ne mozes podijeliti broj od 1.2 miliona na 12 mjeseci. Evo ja cu: 100,000. STO HILJADA MRTVIH MJESECNO. DJECE PREKO 20,000 MJESECNO. Zamisli da ih toliko izgine od eserihije, svijet bi na glavi dubio, totalni raspad sistema -- kupuj zlato i oruzje pa bjezi u planine.

Ali posto je od auta, hebe nam se.

I jos nesto: dogovori se sam sa sobom -- da li je ovo svjetska epidemija, ili samo lokalna pojava u Hamburgu. Procitaj gore, zrtva je i osoba iz Svedske. Ali ako mislis da je lokalna, ne znam onda sto smo se mi Bosnje nasekirali. U nas jos niko nije umro. U saobracajnim nesrecama u nas pojava je svakodnevna.
Upravo suprotno, pokušaj ti sebe pronaći u svojim sprdanjima prema novoj bakteriji, primjenjujući neporedivu smrtnost uzrokovanu bakterijom sa smrtnošću od vozila. Ne činiš se nepismenim, i čudi pominjanje švedske žrtve, kad je općepoznato da je i ona zaražena u Hamburgu prije 3-4 sedmice ili kasnije. Pa sad ponovo računaj koliko je osoba iz kruga Hamburga napustilo to područje, da li je bolest prenosiva, koliko još zaraženih ima širom svijeta.. A starost bakterije je tek 5 sedmica.
Razlog smrti od automobila nam je svima poznat, i sprječiv. Izvor zaraze i lijek protiv ešerihije je još nepoznat. Kako ju je onda moguće kontrolirati ili liječiti, kao što je moguće automobilske nesreće? Sorry, meni je ovo poređenje malo debilno :(
Najmanje je sada bitno je li svjetska epidemija ili nije, bitno je da trenutno postoji opasnost od nepoznate bakterije, koja se može globalno proširiti. Trebamo li sjediti skršenih ruku i čekati svjetsku epidemiju, ili zajednički brinuti i pokušavati spriječiti svaki način njenog širenja...
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#155 Re: Bauk E-Coli kruži Evropom

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prva razumna stvar je ne dizat frku paniku ko sto to radi pipidugadevetka(jer situacija nije eskalirala u ogromne razmjere) ;-)
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poznanik wrote:{...}
da li je bolest prenosiva
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Razlog smrti od automobila nam je svima poznat, i sprječiv. Izvor zaraze i lijek protiv ešerihije je još nepoznat. Kako ju je onda moguće kontrolirati ili liječiti, kao što je moguće automobilske nesreće? Sorry, meni je ovo poređenje malo debilno.
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bitno je da trenutno postoji opasnost od nepoznate bakterije, koja se može globalno proširiti. Trebamo li sjediti skršenih ruku i čekati svjetsku epidemiju, ili zajednički brinuti i pokušavati spriječiti svaki način njenog širenja...
Kako zamisljas da se E.coli siri?

Da te podsjetim: hranom. Ne moze dodirom, ne moze zrakom. Samo sta pojedes. Sumnjam da je zrtva iz Svedske zavrsila i na cijoj trpezi :sad: . Prema tome, nema nekontrolisane epidemije, kao npr. grip, kuga, kolera. Narod samo prestane jesti zarazenu hranu. Niko nije bas toliko glup da godinama jede hranu proizvodzaca notornog po zarazenoj hrani (niti bi i jedna vlada bilo koje drzave sjedila skrstenih ruku) -- trziste, bas kao i sa ovom "epidemijom" ovih dana, je nemilosrdno.

Cinjenica da je "uzrok smrti od automobila poznat" je slaba utjeha zrtvama i njihovim porodicama. Bas kao i u slucajevima drugih *masovnih* ubica koji se mogu sprijeciti: srcana oboljenja, pusenje, alkohol, dijabetes, STD, glad, zagadjenje okoline.

Nazalost, ovi gore su prilicno marginalizirani, na stetu miliona stanovnika Planete, cesto upravo zbog prasine podignute oko nekoliko nesretnih zrtava trovanjem hranom, ili nekom slicnom pojavom.

Vec sam nekoliko puta napomenuo da niposto ne treba zanemarivati ovu boljku, naprotiv -- treba joj sto prije, kao i svakoj drugoj, naci lijeka. Ali "zajednicka briga" na nacin na koji mi to ovdje radimo vise lici na sirenje panike i aktivizam, nego na DNK analizu.
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madFlava wrote:prva razumna stvar je ne dizat frku paniku ko sto to radi pipidugadevetka(jer situacija nije eskalirala u ogromne razmjere) ;-)
Frka i panika tek slijede, moj jarane, @madFlava.

Nego, ti fino neku bašticu, pa sadi ili sij prirodne NON-GMO biljke za hrane, čuvaj najkvalitetnije plodove za iduću sezonu, i sve tako...Doći će vrijeme da će se takvo prirodno NON-GMO sjeme plaćati suhim zlatom.

Ako si bio u opsjednutom Sarajevu tokom rata i sam znaš da je samo hrana bila skupa, a vrijednosti tipa automobil, neki super tv u boji, veš-mašina,....bezvrIjedno....
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MOLIM?
kako bolan samo hranom?
je li moguce da cistis zarazeno povrce, sjeckas meso, istim tim rukama obrises nos ili uzmes zalogaj necega (nezarazeno), da uzmes casu i premjestis je na drugo mjesto. pripremis rucak (ubijes bakteriju) u medjuvremenu operes ruke. uzmes onu casu da se napijes vode i komad cokolade da zasladis i eto...rucak nisi morao ni kusnuti.
E.Coli se inace prenosi fekalno-oralnim putem...(znacajna pauza :oops: :skoljka: ).
znaci- higijena prije svega.
oboljele su vecinom zene srednje dobi i pretpostavlja se da je u pitanju NESTO oko pripremanja hrane- sirovo...meso,povrce, mlijeko.
krava/koza/ovca moze na vimenu imati bakteriju, koja ce se prenijeti u mlijeko...prodje to sve kontrole i slabe su sanse da je mlijeko...ali imaju i male farme koje prodaju direktno sirovo mlijeko. obicno rade u optimalnim higijenskim uslovima, ali neka se jednom desi previd...
nije se moralo djubriti organskim djubrivom, neka je stocna farma pored neke plantaze i neka se ne pridrzavaju bas strogo higijenskih propisa, ta bakterija moze dospjeti u podzemne vode i tamo zivjeti duze nego obicna E.coli, i OVA prodire u biljke. neka konzument to povrce ne opere dobro i eto.
problem je sto je OVAJ soj vise od mutacije gena jedne bakterije, sto je agresivniji, nastao ukrstanjem (prirodnim ili umjetnim, pitanje je sad) i sto su posljedice ako ne letalne, onda teske.
svaki covjek ima svoju reakciju i na zarazu i na lijek, svoj metabolizam.
nije bitno da li je 30 ljudi oboljelo, nego je bitno da li lijeka ima ili nema.
e.coli imamo maltene dok se rodimo u sebi, nije to nista NOVO, ali jeste nov soj, i jeste agresivan, i onaj normalni moze dovesti do trovanja krvi i otkazivanja bubrega, a ovaj...
dok se ne sazna sta je uzrok, a sve su sanse da se nece saznati- ne zbog urote svjetskih razmjera, nego zbog zivotnog vijeka te bakterije, imas samo da budes oprezniji pri pripremanju hrane.
peres ruke, peres hranu i dovoljno skuhas/ispeces.
ovo se posebno odnosi na ljude koji imaju problema sa probavnim traktom, npr. cir, jer ziva bakterija tu lako udje u krv.
ovakvi rezistentni sojevi IMAJU veze sa prekomjernom upotrebom antibiotika medju ljudima, ali i na zivotinjama. jednostavno: mi svi IMAMO te bakterije u probavnom traktu, a uzimanjem antibiotika (preko tog istog probavnog trakta) navikavas te bakterije, one su jako prilagodljive, nevjerovatno brzo mutiraju i dijele se- cak se i horizontalno prenosi novi nasljedni materijal. i sve i da se ti ne kljukas antibioticima kad imas GRIPU :-) stoka za uzgoj mesa i mlijeka dobija antibiotike.
to nisu zavjere, tj. ne moraju biti...to je nacin na koji se radi, to je prehrambena industrija.
i malo koji doktor ce, prije nego propise antibiotike, reci-a ne, daj ovamo 5-10-12km za antibiogram, da ja budem siguran. (ni kod nas, ni vani).
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1:59 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
a jest se uzivio :lol:
40% ovoga je nesto s cim se slazem.
40% su nepotrebni proizvodi, lijekovi za bolesti koje su vise stanje, nego bolest.
naravno da prvi "padaju" najslabiji, ali zar to znaci- pa neka su, ionako bi umrli :?

ja se ne vakcinisem. ni protiv krpelja, ni protiv gripe. ostajem zdrava. niti se provlacim kroz grmlje, niti imam kontakt sa milion ljudi. prijateljica je ove zime bila 3x na bolovanju zbog gripe, prodavacica je. ja bih se na njenom mjestu vakcinisala.
kao sto jesam ranije vakcinisana protiv tbc i svega ostalog sto je ranije pravilo pomore u svijetu, kao i protiv tetanusa. i kod tih neobaveznih vakcina, fino skontas trebaju li ti ili ne.
i u generaciji mojih roditelja su djeca umirala "onako", a ovamo tbc, boginje...
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a ovdje vec lupa k'o maksim po diviziji.
nema lijeka bez nuspojave.
Dosis sola venenum facit
nema hrane bez nuspojave. nema prirodnog hormona bez vise djelovanja. ne postoji takva selektivnost nigdje u prirodi, sve je povezano. sve su to kaskade, lanci reakcija.

svako lijecenje (osim ako je akutni slucaj) zahtijeva pristanak pacijenta. ti ne moras ici na kemoterapiju, ne moras ici na zracenje. jedan od nacina lijecenja je i kirurski.
ko je ovaj lik? sta je taj macek/macuk? sta on propagira?* ok, nasla sam...
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PipiDugaDevetka wrote:{...}
Ako si bio u opsjednutom Sarajevu tokom rata i sam znaš da je samo hrana bila skupa, a vrijednosti tipa automobil, neki super tv u boji, veš-mašina,....bezvrIjedno....
Jesi ti malo opsjednut.
Ali ipak, sudeci po tvojim prethodnim postovima, smio bih se kladiti da nikad nisi uzgojio jedan vlastiti paradajz,

Ves masina bezvrijedno? Nije valjda da ti sam peres ves na ruke? Ne, to ce zena redovno svakodnevno sama odradit, a mi glave porodice cemo se brinuti o visim ciljevima.
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Šta su zablude, a šta realna opasnost? Hoćemo li po CAP-u (BiH pristupila) moći ostavljati plodove za narednu sezonu? Šta je to gen - terminator reprodukcije biljke? Kakva je razlika između hibridnog kukuruza i GM kukuruza? Šta su to totalni herbicidi? Šta je to potpuna kosidba korova uz pomoć Round-up totalnog herbicida?
Sve ovo i mnogo više, pogledajte u ovoj tv. emisiji. Govore stručnjaci genetičari, agronomi, ljekari:

Prof. dr. Miladin Ševarlić:
-Postoje oni ljudi koji ne znaju, postoje oni koje ne žele da znaju i postoje oni koji znaju, ali ne žele da znaju drugi ono što oni znaju.
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From "Arbeit macht frei" to "Codex Alimentarius"
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Nuremberg, July 29, 1948: Fritz Ter Meer,
the head of the world's largest pharmaceutical
company, BAYER / IG Farben, is sentenced for genocide
for the medical experiments committed in Auschwitz
and other crimes against humanity.






Sa sinhronizovanim audio prevodom.
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Zakon o hrani FBiH
http://www.fsa.gov.ba/bs/?page_id=411 wrote:Član 53.


Djelatnost Agencije (Državna agencija za sigurnost hrane)

1. Agencija je obvezna pružati znanstvene savjete, te znanstvenu i tehničku potporu

zakonodavstvu i politici Bosne i Hercegovine u svim područjima koja imaju izravan ili neizravan

uticaj na sigurnost hrane i hrane za životinje. Ona daje neovisne podatke o svim pitanjima u

okviru tih područja i prenosi podatke o rizicima.

2. Agencija predstavlja kontaktnu točku za aktivnosti u komisiji Codex Alimentarius.
Marijan Jošt:
U nekom Novom svijetu u kom ce ljubav vladati vukovi i ovce zajedno ce prijateljevati. Do tada nama „Ovcicama“ preporucam oboruzati se Znanjem da znamo prepoznati vukove, Hrabroscu i Budnoscu da se na vrijeme suprotstavljamo i suprotstavimo tiraniji Vukova, koja se ogleda u svakodnevim malim, cesto neprimjetnim, stvarima, ne samo u civilizacijskim Zakonima

Eli
New Iraq Law
Outlaws Saving Seeds!
Requires Licenses!
Posted by Timothy
On Monkey.org
11-14-4

Doc Ruby writes -

"The (now former) American Administrator of the Iraqi CPA (Coalition Provisional Authority) government, Paul Bremer,updated Iraq's intellectual property law to 'meet current internationally-recognized standards of protection.'

http://www.iraqcoalition.org/
regulations/20040426_CPAORD_81_Patents_Law.pdf

The updated law makes saving seeds for next year's harvest, practiced by 97% of Iraqi farmers in 2002, the standard farming practice for thousands of years across human civilizations, now illegal.


Instead, farmers <http://www.grain.org/articles/?id=6will have to obtain a yearly license for genetically-modified seeds from American corporations. These GM seeds have typically been modified from IP developed over thousands of generations by indigenous farmers like the Iraqis, shared freely like agricultural 'open source.' Other IP provisions for technology in the law further integrate Iraq into the American IP economy."

http://politics.slashdot.org/politics/04
/11/13/2023220.shtml?tid=191&tid=155&tid=219

http://www.vegsource.com/articles2/iraq_seeds.htm

http://www.iraqcoalition.org/regulations
/20040426_CPAORD_81_Patents_Law.pdf

http://www.grain.org/articles/?id=6

As part of sweeping "economic restructuring" implemented by the Bush Administration in Iraq, Iraqi farmers will no longer be permitted to save their seeds. Instead, they will be forced to buy seeds from US corporations -- including seeds the Iraqis themselves developed over hundreds of years. That is because in recent years, transnational corporations have patented and now own many seed varieties originated or developed by indigenous peoples. In a short time, Iraq will be living under the new American credo: Pay Monsanto, or starve.

regards,

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da razjasnimo !
cinjenica je da od uboda pcela umre vise ljudi negoli od 'pticje gripe " "svinjske " i ostalih novokomponovanih zaraza ukljucujuci i ovu najnoviju E.coli zarazu
razlika je da su ti mikroorganizmi produkt covjeka !
dali genetskim inzenjeringom ili zbog ekoloskoga zagadjenja ili jednostavno zbog profita farmaceutskih i prehrambenih kompanija
igramo se Boga u ime profita
masovna produkcija hrane da se nahrane gladni ?
pa nikada vise nije bilo gladnih na planeti negoli danas !
tu nesto smrdi gadno !
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simpozijum delirijum wrote:da razjasnimo !
cinjenica je da od uboda pcela umre vise ljudi negoli od 'pticje gripe " "svinjske " i ostalih novokomponovanih zaraza ukljucujuci i ovu najnoviju E.coli zarazu
razlika je da su ti mikroorganizmi produkt covjeka !
dali genetskim inzenjeringom ili zbog ekoloskoga zagadjenja ili jednostavno zbog profita farmaceutskih i prehrambenih kompanija
igramo se Boga u ime profita
masovna produkcija hrane da se nahrane gladni ?
pa nikada vise nije bilo gladnih na planeti negoli danas !
tu nesto smrdi gadno !
MONSANTO diSmr. Nije slučajno napravljen atak na Španiju-protivnika GMO hrane.
Njemačka je takođe uz Austriju jedna od najjačih u proizvodnji NON-GMO/ORGANIK hrane.
Pred svaku promjenu regulacije proizvodnje hrane putem UN, FAO, WTO,...Svaki put se dešavaju epidemije, manje ili veće, ali se uvijek dešavaju.

Nema sumnje da je superotporna bakterija kreirana u laboratorijama kada je otporna na 8 antibiotika.
Postavlja se pitanje šta je krajnji cilj ovim koji su atakirali na Evropljane?
Odogovor na to pitanje se krije u diskusijama tokom ove tv. emisije.

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#168 Re: Bauk E-Coli kruži Evropom

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@Pipi, ... trazi da zatvore ovu temu, .... propala ti je teorija zavjere, ... :D

Jutros je zvanicno potvrdjeno, od strane Koch instituta, da je "zelena soja", tj. "bean sprouts" sa jednog seoskog gazdinstva za uzgoj bioloske hrane u njemackoj pokrajini Nedersaksonija, uzrocnik trovanja i smrti 31 osobe.

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Potvrdjeno je da je sa pomenutog gazdinstva snabdijeveno 26 restorana u kojima se "soja" konzumirala, i da su svi gosti tih restorana poslije toga zavrsili u bolnicama te da im je konstatirana EHEC bakterija.
Upozorenje da se ne konzumira krastavac, salata i paradajz, danas je u Njemackoj stavljeno van snage/ povuceno.

Eto, ... :oops:
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#169 Re: Bauk E-Coli kruži Evropom

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Znaci najsigurnija GMO hrana. :D
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#170 Re: Bauk E-Coli kruži Evropom

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#171 Re: Bauk E-Coli kruži Evropom

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ljudi smak svijeta stize ;) :D
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#172 Re: Bauk E-Coli kruži Evropom

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pape wrote:@Pipi, ... trazi da zatvore ovu temu, .... propala ti je teorija zavjere, ... :D

Jutros je zvanicno potvrdjeno, od strane Koch instituta, da je "zelena soja", tj. "bean sprouts" sa jednog seoskog gazdinstva za uzgoj bioloske hrane u njemackoj pokrajini Nedersaksonija, uzrocnik trovanja i smrti 31 osobe.

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Potvrdjeno je da je sa pomenutog gazdinstva snabdijeveno 26 restorana u kojima se "soja" konzumirala, i da su svi gosti tih restorana poslije toga zavrsili u bolnicama te da im je konstatirana EHEC bakterija.
Upozorenje da se ne konzumira krastavac, salata i paradajz, danas je u Njemackoj stavljeno van snage/ povuceno.

Eto, ... :oops:
Ali daljnja istraga drugih nadležnih organa u Njemačkoj se nastavlja.

Baš kao turska i bh. zastava na sahat kuli u Počitelju, ko zna ko ih je i zašto postavio, pa dok se to ne utvrdi, pogrešno je dizat' hampu ne nekoga ko je možda nedužan u svemu.

Već sam naveo da je znakovito to što su ''novčano nastradale'' Španija-protivnik GMO hrane i Donja Saksonija koja se još 1998.g. proglasila za GMO-FREE LAND.
http://www.rki.de/cln_109/nn_217400/EN/Home/PM082011.html wrote:
Information update on EHEC outbreak
Joint statement issued by the Federal Institute for Risk Assessment (BfR), Federal Office of Consumer Protection and Food safety (BVL), Robert Koch Institute (RKI)

Conclusions

1.BfR, BVL and RKI jointly conclude that the current general recommendation to abstain from eating cucumbers, tomatoes, lettuce in northern parts of Germany does not need to be upheld.
2.In addition to adherence to good hygiene practices, BfR, BVL and RKI recommend abstaining from eating raw sprouts. Households and gastronomic businesses should dispose of any sprouts currently in stock as well as any food items that might have come in contact with these.
3.BfR, BVL and RKI recommend in addition that all food products originating from a distinct producer in Lower Saxony be taken from the market.
4.BfR, BVL and RKI recommend strict adherence to good hygienic practices when handling food or caring for patients.
This notice replaces earlier recommendations issued by BfR and RKI regarding the consumption of cucumbers, tomatoes and lettuce.

State of knowledge regarding human infections
Current situation
Data from several surveillance systems established at the Robert Koch Institute confirm a decline in the number of new EHEC infections. The sentinel surveillance system established in hospital emergency departments shows that the daily number of patients presenting with bloody diarrhoea – as the first indication of a possible EHEC infection – as well as the proportion of female cases is declining. Mathematical modelling of statutory notification data taking into account the notification delay also confirms that the number of reported cases in the affected areas is continually decreasing, both using the date of symptom onset as well as the date of hospitalization. The observed decline may be due to changes in the dietary consumption of cucumbers, tomatoes and lettuce (which may indirectly have led to a reduced consumption of sprouts) or to a gradual disappearance of the source of infection.

Earlier epidemiological studies
Since May, 20, 2011 RKI together with other federal and state authorities for health and food safety has been investigating an outbreak of hemolytic uremic syndrome (HUS) in northern Germany. The cause of the outbreak could be progressively narrowed down through the analysis of several consecutive epidemiological studies that built upon one another.
For methodological reasons, the first two case-control studies were limited to exposures that were hypothesized – based on extensive exploratory interviews – to potentially explain a large proportion of cases. Epidemiological analysis of these studies showed that cases consumed raw tomatoes, cucumbers and lettuce significantly more often than healthy study participants. These findings were complemented by results of another case-control study conducted among affected customers of a canteen that revealed a strong association between the consumption of foods from the salad bar and EHEC infection. As neither the results of these studies results nor available information from investigations of the food safety authorities permitted a more precise identification of the source of infections, RKI initiated further studies.

Recipe-based restaurant cohort study
With a high probability, the results of the „recipe-based restaurant cohort study” finally permit narrowing down the source of the infection to the consumption of sprouts. It was possible to apply this methodological approach only after a sufficient number of restaurant customers could be identified to ensure adequate statistical power of this analysis.

To ascertain the consumption of raw fruit and vegetables by patients and controls more objectively and less dependently on memory, RKI used the following approach in the “recipe-based restaurant cohort study”: Five groups (travel groups, clubs, etc) that comprised a total of 112 participants and included 19 individuals who acquired EHEC infection were questioned regarding the foods they consumed after eating in a common restaurant. Additionally, the menus ordered by the participants were identified by means of order lists and meal receipts. The restaurant kitchen was questioned in detail regarding the preparation and the type and quantity of ingredients in each menu ordered by any of the study participants. Furthermore, available photographs taken by travel group members were analysed to confirm which food items, including toppings, were seen on the plates. The data thus gathered was analysed in a cohort approach that permits the retrospective estimation of the relative risk of infection for the restaurant customers. Results of this analysis showed that customers who ate sprouts had an 8.6-fold increased risk (95% confidence interval (CI) 1.5-∞) of EHEC/HUS illness compared to those who did not. This study also revealed that 100% of those who contracted the illness had eaten sprouts.

Insights from case-control-studies regarding the consumption of sprouts
Patients were questioned on the consumption of a large number of animal and plant origin food products, including sprouts, in the initial intensive exploratory interviews in Hamburg on May 20 and 21. In these, only 3 of 12 patients reported having eaten sprouts. Moreover, a relevant under-ascertainment of sprout consumption seemed unlikely since the participants of this survey demonstrated an exceptionally high dietary awareness. Methodological standards in outbreak investigations call for inclusion of those exposures in the standardized questionnaires that can potentially explain a high proportion of outbreak cases. The inclusion of too many potential exposures may lead to false positive associations. For these reasons, sprouts were not included in the questionnaires of the initial case control studies. Later, more extensive interviews subsequently conducted by RKI again included the consumption of sprouts. Overall, 16 (30%) of 54 patients who could answer questions on the consumption of sprouts in the context of these extensive interviews stated having eaten sprouts within the time frame consistent with the period of acquisition of the infection.

An additional case-control-study with the goal of further differentiating among plant food products was initiated on May 29, 2011 in Lübeck, Bremerhaven and Bremen using three healthy controls matched according to age, sex and place of residence to each of 26 HUS patients. In this study, 6 (25%) of 24 cases stated having eaten sprouts in the incriminated period of infection, compared to 7 (9%) of 80 healthy controls. This association was statistically significant in univariate (odds ratio: 4.35, 95% CI 1.05-18), but not in multivariate analysis, thus limiting the explanatory power of this result. Compared to controls, cases included in this study reported eating vegetables such as tomatoes, cucumbers and lettuce more frequently, a finding in accordance with the earlier case-control-studies. However, these associations were not statistically significant. Overall, these findings are thus consistent with the results of the two previously published case-control-studies and show these vegetables to be frequently eaten together.

State of Knowledge regarding the food supply chain
So far, the EHEC pathogen O104:H4 was not detected in any food product from the retail market. A definitive point of entry of the EHEC pathogen O104:H4 into the food supply chain has not been identified despite intensive efforts of all authorities involved in the affected federal states as well as RKI, BfR, and BVL.

According to current knowledge, distribution chains suggest that the spread of the EHEC infections may have emanated from an agricultural business in Lower Saxony and are in accordance with the geographical distribution of many of the case clusters.

To support the investigation of this outbreak affecting several federal states, the federal and state level decided to establish a task force at BVL consisting of experts from several states, BVL, BfR and RKI, and supported by experts of the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) as well as the European Commission.

The mission of this Task Force is to analyse the available epidemiological results on individual outbreak clusters in conjunction with information on related food supply chains available from food safety authorities across federal states. Clusters consist of persons who contracted the disease after a common exposure, such as eating in the same hotel, restaurant or canteen.

Distribution supply chains of sprouts originating from the Lower Saxony producer can explain 26 of 55 EHEC O104:H4 disease clusters or isolated cases in 5 German states. Lower Saxony has provided extensive information from food control activities. At present, human introduction of the EHEC pathogen into the agricultural business cannot be excluded. However, water, preceding suppliers or seeds are also possible sources. These possibilities are currently under investigation through investigations of supply chains and laboratory analyses.

Other sources of contamination into this specific agricultural production cannot be excluded at present. The authorities in Lower Saxony and BfR have taken extensive samples in this business in the past few days, the investigation of which has not been entirely completed. Even if the outbreak pathogen has not been detected in any samples thus far, the accumulated evidence strongly points to this producer as the source of the outbreak.

The federal and state authorities will perform further investigations and analyses of supply and distribution chains to investigate whether contaminated seed for sprout production may be present in other companies or could reach the market.

Because the seed used for the production of sprouts may also be the source of the pathogen, other sprout producing businesses could potentially be contributing to the spread of EHEC O104:H4 as well.

The ability to survive and grow on sprouts makes a wide distribution of EHEC through the supply chains of the producers to the consumer possible.

Therefore, RKI, BVL and BfR recommend not eating uncooked sprouts until this potential source of the contamination has been thoroughly investigated.

This information replaces the earlier warning of RKI and BfR against the consumption of cucumbers, tomatoes and lettuce. According to the current state of knowledge, products from the agricultural business in Lower Saxony are the most likely source of the EHEC infections.

Further information:
www.bfr.bund.de
www.bvl.bund.de
www.rki.de

Date of issue10 June 2011
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#173 Re: Bauk E-Coli kruži Evropom

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madFlava wrote:ljudi smak svijeta stize ;) :D
Nego šta!? Sumrak civilizacije ili smak svijeta, sve je to u 5 deka.
Čovječe, nećeš imati pravo ostaviti svoje sjeme za narednu sezonu. Moraćeš piti mlijeko obogaćeno hormonima brzog rasta. Životinje koje su evoluirale jedući travu sada papaju GMO MONSANTO jeftini kukuruz. Burag im pun ovih superotpornih ešerihija. Dodatno, krave svakosedmično primaju injekcije hormona, a od toga češće obolijevaju od mastitisa-upale vimena. Krave se od mastitisa liječe vet. antibioticima. Dokazana štetnost za ljude (opaka bolest prostate, dojki i debelog crijeva) i u svijetu u skoro svim državama zabranjena upotreba MONSANTO goveđeg hormona brzog rasta. Samo u BiH, Brazilu, Argentini i u USA nije zabranjeno.

Ako to nije sumrak civilizacije, ja ne znam šta je onda?
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#174 Re: Bauk E-Coli kruži Evropom

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pape wrote:Jutros je zvanicno potvrdjeno, od strane Koch instituta, da je "zelena soja", tj. "bean sprouts" sa jednog seoskog gazdinstva za uzgoj bioloske hrane u njemackoj pokrajini Nedersaksonija, uzrocnik trovanja i smrti 31 osobe.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Ko je kriv? Zeko je kriv.
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#175 Re: Bauk E-Coli kruži Evropom

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horion_bosona wrote:Image
Super karikatura sa preciznom porukom i tačnim lociranjem krivca za pojavu reket epidemije ešerihije koli!

SATANO MONSANTO prestani miješati svoje prste u Božje poslove!
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