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#151 Re: Ivermektin (Stromectol) u BiH
Posted: 10/09/2021 18:50
by jeza u ledja
Tako je, na CNNu sam cuo pa prenosim. Jbg ti se u to bolje razumijes jer znas iz prve ruke.
#152 Re: Ivermektin (Stromectol) u BiH
Posted: 10/09/2021 18:55
by Bloo
muhafuca wrote: ↑10/09/2021 18:10
Ivermektin je lijek koji se koristi decenijama, nije skup niti je problematican i doktori vecinom
Yep, koristi se i odobren takode..protivU raznijeh parazita...nista novo i divlje.
#153 Re: Ivermektin (Stromectol) u BiH
Posted: 10/09/2021 18:57
by Naslovnica
To što nije odobren ne znači automatski da ne djeluje.
Samo kaem.
#154 Re: Ivermektin (Stromectol) u BiH
Posted: 10/09/2021 18:58
by Bloo
Naslovnica wrote: ↑10/09/2021 18:57
To što nije odobren ne znači automatski da ne djeluje.
Samo kaem.
Ja sam za...2 u 1...rijesis se istovremeno i korone i vaski na glavi.

#155 Re: Ivermektin (Stromectol) u BiH
Posted: 10/09/2021 19:01
by Naslovnica
Bloo wrote: ↑10/09/2021 18:58
Naslovnica wrote: ↑10/09/2021 18:57
To što nije odobren ne znači automatski da ne djeluje.
Samo kaem.
Ja sam za...2 u 1...rijesis se istovremeno i korone i vaski na glavi.
I pantljičare. 3u1.
#156 Re: Ivermektin (Stromectol) u BiH
Posted: 10/09/2021 19:03
by jeza u ledja
I Aspirin je odobren sto godina. Da li to znaci da djeluje?

#157 Re: Ivermektin (Stromectol) u BiH
Posted: 10/09/2021 19:04
by muhafuca
Bloo wrote: ↑10/09/2021 18:55
muhafuca wrote: ↑10/09/2021 18:10
Ivermektin je lijek koji se koristi decenijama, nije skup niti je problematican i doktori vecinom
Yep, koristi se i odobren takode..protivU raznijeh parazita...nista novo i divlje.
I viagra je lijek za srce bio u pocetku
#158 Re: Ivermektin (Stromectol) u BiH
Posted: 10/09/2021 19:06
by L u c i f e r
Naslovnica wrote: ↑10/09/2021 18:57
To što nije odobren ne znači automatski da ne djeluje.
Samo kaem.
muhafuca wrote: ↑10/09/2021 19:04
Bloo wrote: ↑10/09/2021 18:55
Yep, koristi se i odobren takode..protivU raznijeh parazita...nista novo i divlje.
I viagra je lijek za srce bio u pocetku
Takoe
Ja licno preporucujem Faktu

#159 Re: Ivermektin (Stromectol) u BiH
Posted: 10/09/2021 19:09
by Bloo
#160 Re: Ivermektin (Stromectol) u BiH
Posted: 10/09/2021 19:10
by Naslovnica
jeza u ledja wrote: ↑10/09/2021 19:03
I Aspirin je odobren sto godina. Da li to znaci da djeluje?
Ne bi trebalo da djeluje.
Šta kaže ova studija?
https://journals.lww.com/americantherap ... _of.7.aspx
Conclusions:
Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.
Slabo divanim engleski...

#161 Re: Ivermektin (Stromectol) u BiH
Posted: 10/09/2021 19:10
by Naslovnica
L u c i f e r wrote: ↑10/09/2021 19:06
Naslovnica wrote: ↑10/09/2021 18:57
To što nije odobren ne znači automatski da ne djeluje.
Samo kaem.
muhafuca wrote: ↑10/09/2021 19:04
I viagra je lijek za srce bio u pocetku
Takoe
Ja licno preporucujem Faktu
Lično probao?
#162 Re: Ivermektin (Stromectol) u BiH
Posted: 10/09/2021 19:14
by L u c i f e r
Licno bgm, nego
Evo zato nemam ni hemoroida ni korone
#163 Re: Ivermektin (Stromectol) u BiH
Posted: 10/09/2021 19:19
by L u c i f e r
Naslovnica wrote: ↑10/09/2021 19:10
jeza u ledja wrote: ↑10/09/2021 19:03
I Aspirin je odobren sto godina. Da li to znaci da djeluje?
Ne bi trebalo da djeluje.
Šta kaže ova studija?
https://journals.lww.com/americantherap ... _of.7.aspx
Conclusions:
Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.
Slabo divanim engleski...
A study — actually a review of trials done with ivermectin on COVID-19 patients — claims large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are “possible using ivermectin.”
The study was done by researchers affiliated with a group that is campaigning for ivermectin to be approved for COVID-19 use, and they did not declare that affiliation in their study. Experts said ivermectin trials on which the review is based were not high quality.
The FDA warns against taking ivermectin to prevent or treat COVID-19.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2021 ... dy-toutin/
#164 Re: Ivermektin (Stromectol) u BiH
Posted: 10/09/2021 19:20
by Naslovnica
Šta kažu ba, ne razumijem?!
https://journals.lww.com/americantherap ... _of.7.aspx
Given the evidence of efficacy, safety, low cost, and current death rates, ivermectin is likely to have an impact on health and economic outcomes of the pandemic across many countries. Ivermectin is not a new and experimental drug with an unknown safety profile. It is a WHO “Essential Medicine” already used in several different indications, in colossal cumulative volumes. Corticosteroids have become an accepted standard of care in COVID-19, based on a single RCT of dexamethasone.1 If a single RCT is sufficient for the adoption of dexamethasone, then a fortiori the evidence of 2 dozen RCTs supports the adoption of ivermectin.
Ivermectin is likely to be an equitable, acceptable, and feasible global intervention against COVID-19. Health professionals should strongly consider its use, in both treatment and prophylaxis.
#165 Re: Ivermektin (Stromectol) u BiH
Posted: 10/09/2021 19:24
by Naslovnica
L u c i f e r wrote: ↑10/09/2021 19:19
Naslovnica wrote: ↑10/09/2021 19:10
Ne bi trebalo da djeluje.
Šta kaže ova studija?
https://journals.lww.com/americantherap ... _of.7.aspx
Conclusions:
Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.
Slabo divanim engleski...
A study — actually a review of trials done with ivermectin on COVID-19 patients — claims large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are “possible using ivermectin.”
The study was done by researchers affiliated with a group that is campaigning for ivermectin to be approved for COVID-19 use, and they did not declare that affiliation in their study. Experts said ivermectin trials on which the review is based were not high quality.
The FDA warns against taking ivermectin to prevent or treat COVID-19.
https://www.politifact.com/article/2021 ... dy-toutin/
Ništa, ako su ih fackćekeri raskrinkali 30 juna, nači nema druge nego pokajmačiti ovog što si ti maz'o?

#166 Re: Ivermektin (Stromectol) u BiH
Posted: 10/09/2021 19:34
by L u c i f e r
Kuda Faktu prodje, tu korona ne raste...

#167 Re: Ivermektin (Stromectol) u BiH
Posted: 10/09/2021 19:37
by Naslovnica
L u c i f e r wrote: ↑10/09/2021 19:34
Kuda Faktu prodje, tu korona ne raste...
Može li za poslije brijanja (svuda) ?
Iko, išta?

#168 Re: Ivermektin (Stromectol) u BiH
Posted: 10/09/2021 19:40
by L u c i f e r
Naslovnica wrote: ↑10/09/2021 19:37
L u c i f e r wrote: ↑10/09/2021 19:34
Kuda Faktu prodje, tu korona ne raste...
Može li za poslije brijanja (svuda) ?
Iko, išta?
Ma samo ljuljaj.
Cuo sam u autobusu kako prika od komsijinog rodje ima druga cijem je to sinovom kolegi pravo pomoglo.
#169 Re: Ivermektin (Stromectol) u BiH
Posted: 10/09/2021 19:41
by Naslovnica
L u c i f e r wrote: ↑10/09/2021 19:40
Naslovnica wrote: ↑10/09/2021 19:37
Može li za poslije brijanja (svuda) ?
Iko, išta?
Ma samo ljuljaj.
Cuo sam u autobusu kako prika od komsijinog rodje ima druga cijem je to sinovom kolegi pravo pomoglo.
Hvalavi!

#170 Re: Ivermektin (Stromectol) u BiH
Posted: 10/09/2021 19:59
by jeza u ledja
Naslovnica wrote: ↑10/09/2021 19:20
Šta kažu ba, ne razumijem?!
https://journals.lww.com/americantherap ... _of.7.aspx
Given the evidence of efficacy, safety, low cost, and current death rates, ivermectin is likely to have an impact on health and economic outcomes of the pandemic across many countries. Ivermectin is not a new and experimental drug with an unknown safety profile. It is a WHO “Essential Medicine” already used in several different indications, in colossal cumulative volumes. Corticosteroids have become an accepted standard of care in COVID-19, based on a single RCT of dexamethasone.1 If a single RCT is sufficient for the adoption of dexamethasone, then a fortiori the evidence of 2 dozen RCTs supports the adoption of ivermectin.
Ivermectin is likely to be an equitable, acceptable, and feasible global intervention against COVID-19. Health professionals should strongly consider its use, in both treatment and prophylaxis.
E pa eto odlicno. Ko se razboli moze popit konjsku tabletu.
Citao sam vec da je radjeno nekoliko studija, 15-ak ovako nesto, od kojih vecina nije utvrdila nikakvu korist od istog (niti stetu doduse). Ako ovi tvrde da moze, super.
Ako se ne varam, opet kazem, bilo je studija i koje su tvrdile da hydroxychloroquine pomaze, pa mucak. Vjerujem da postoje studije o malom milionu vec postojecih lijekova. Sta god da pomaze super.
Samo ovdje se uglavnom radi o terapijama. Ja bih radije djelovao preventivno.
#171 Re: Ivermektin (Stromectol) u BiH
Posted: 10/09/2021 20:05
by Naslovnica
Pa nije konjska tableta u pitanju, nego ona za ljudsku upotrebu, valjda smo to do sada razriješili, zašto se stalno vraćati na temu plemenitih životinja.
Za one koji misle da su u litanju "konjske" yablete, Invermectin za ljudsku upotrebu je odobren davnih dana.
I ja mislim da je preventiva sasvim OK, ali zašto tako uporno a priori odbijanje Invermectina u tretiranju bolesti?
#172 Re: Ivermektin (Stromectol) u BiH
Posted: 10/09/2021 20:23
by jeza u ledja
Naslovnica wrote: ↑10/09/2021 20:05
Pa nije konjska tableta u pitanju, nego ona za ljudsku upotrebu, valjda smo to do sada razriješili, zašto se stalno vraćati na temu plemenitih životinja.
Za one koji misle da su u litanju "konjske" yablete, Invermectin za ljudsku upotrebu je odobren davnih dana.
I ja mislim da je preventiva sasvim OK, ali zašto tako uporno a priori odbijanje Invermectina u tretiranju bolesti?
Pa zar nije ocito zasto?
Zato sto nije odobren za tretman istim i zato sto ne postoji dovoljno dokaza da je efektivan. I prije svega, zato sto forsiranje ovakvih alternativnih tretmana odvlaci ljude od vakcinacije ili od mjera predostroznosti.
I da, zato so prekomjerne doze ovoga (konjske tablete) mogu biti opasne.
#173 Re: Ivermektin (Stromectol) u BiH
Posted: 10/09/2021 20:25
by L u c i f e r
#174 Re: Ivermektin (Stromectol) u BiH
Posted: 10/09/2021 20:31
by Naslovnica
jeza u ledja wrote: ↑10/09/2021 20:23
Naslovnica wrote: ↑10/09/2021 20:05
Pa nije konjska tableta u pitanju, nego ona za ljudsku upotrebu, valjda smo to do sada razriješili, zašto se stalno vraćati na temu plemenitih životinja.
Za one koji misle da su u litanju "konjske" yablete, Invermectin za ljudsku upotrebu je odobren davnih dana.
I ja mislim da je preventiva sasvim OK, ali zašto tako uporno a priori odbijanje Invermectina u tretiranju bolesti?
Pa zar nije ocito zasto?
Zato sto nije odobren za tretman istim i zato sto ne postoji dovoljno dokaza da je efektivan. I prije svega, zato sto forsiranje ovakvih alternativnih tretmana odvlaci ljude od vakcinacije ili od mjera predostroznosti.
I da, zato so prekomjerne doze ovoga (konjske tablete) mogu biti opasne.
Da, eto taman se neko neće vakcinisati zato što postoji Invermectin.

Invermectin nije konjska tableta, nego tableta koja je već godinama odobrena za ljudsku upotrebu.

#175 Re: Ivermektin (Stromectol) u BiH
Posted: 10/09/2021 20:33
by L u c i f e r
jeza u ledja wrote: ↑10/09/2021 20:23
Naslovnica wrote: ↑10/09/2021 20:05
Pa nije konjska tableta u pitanju, nego ona za ljudsku upotrebu, valjda smo to do sada razriješili, zašto se stalno vraćati na temu plemenitih životinja.
Za one koji misle da su u litanju "konjske" yablete, Invermectin za ljudsku upotrebu je odobren davnih dana.
I ja mislim da je preventiva sasvim OK, ali zašto tako uporno a priori odbijanje Invermectina u tretiranju bolesti?
Pa zar nije ocito zasto?
Zato sto nije odobren za tretman istim i zato sto ne postoji dovoljno dokaza da je efektivan. I prije svega, zato sto forsiranje ovakvih alternativnih tretmana odvlaci ljude od vakcinacije ili od mjera predostroznosti.
I da, zato so prekomjerne doze ovoga (konjske tablete) mogu biti opasne.
Ja odustajem, nek piju ljudi
