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#145701 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 13/02/2023 19:47
by Gandalf


Đeneral se samoupucao, što znači da je umro od zločinačke ruke

#145702 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 13/02/2023 20:05
by hepekcina
Matzan wrote: 13/02/2023 12:55
drndalo wrote: 13/02/2023 09:40 Evo i nesto iz susjedstva na Z(l)okijevu zalost...


Top 130 mm.
Ne postoji haubica 130 mm.
de života vam pojasnite koja je razlika između topa i haubice?

dosta se tih termina vrti za artiljeriju a meni sve isto

#145703 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 13/02/2023 20:11
by hepekcina
eyesburn wrote: 13/02/2023 14:59 kozojeb ne prestaje sa glupostima:




a dok solovljev poziva na se bombarduje london...



u isto vrijeme, sin mu je model u tom istom londonu:

jel ih iko upoznao sa činjenicom da su UK Parlament zadnji put bombardovali Nacisti :lol:

#145704 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 13/02/2023 20:13
by geralt
Intervju sa komandantom ukrajinske 45. artiljerijske brigade, trenutno stacionirane kod Bahmuta:

https://wartranslated.com/pravda-com-ua ... h-faydyuk/
(I): You are currently working in the Bakhmut area, north of Bakhmut. How long ago did you come here?

(O): In mid-November, on the 17th-19th.

(I): What was the operational situation like at that time? According to my observations, the situation in Soledar was more than stable until the beginning of December, thanks to the resilience of the 93rd Brigade.

(O): I can’t say that everything was held together by the 93rd.

The fact is that the Russians, as I said, changed their tactics. At first, they came in with equipment and many people, and then they started working in small groups.

Do you remember back in 2015-2017, when they used the frog-jumping tactic? Now they have started using it – they are climbing in small groups of 100-200 meters.

If they were marching in a column, I opened fire and destroyed their equipment. Half of them would be wounded, and half would run away. And it’s hard to catch three people. The only option is to find a place where they are dropped off and from where they disperse in these small groups.

The weather also played into our disadvantage. Warm winters, low cloud cover, and UAVs that can fly long distances rarely work. Speaking for myself, I rarely have situations where I can see 15-20 kilometers ahead.

That’s why it’s very difficult to track two Kamaz trucks that bring the Wagner workers to the unloading point, from which they disperse. So if the weather is good, we will work differently.

(I): Right now, as we speak, the weather is clear outside – does it work better for you?

(O): If the weather is clear, their Lancets start working – everything is interconnected. It’s the law of conservation of energy: good weather helps them and us, and bad weather hinders both. Although in bad weather, they will still be moving in groups of 3-5 people. Perhaps that is why this situation [in Soledar] has developed this way.
(I): What is the Ukrainian and Russian artillery ratio in the Bakhmut sector?

(O): As of now, it is one-to-one.

(I): The other day we climbed to the top between Chasovyi Yar and Bakhmut and watched the work of Ukrainian and Russian artillery – at times it seemed that Ukrainian artillery was even more powerful.

(O): And I can tell you why ours shoots more – the same interaction. When our infantry asks for fire, we do not refuse them. But their artillery does not help those guys much. They believe that a shell is worth more than a released prisoner.

But we shouldn’t relax here either, because it could be that they are accumulating ammunition and don’t want to spend it on supporting 5-10 people. “Women will give birth, but shells need to be boutght.”

(I): Do I understand correctly that the Ukrainian army has the forces and means to continue to hold Bakhmut?

(O): Yes.

(I): In the coming months, for example, until March, will we still hold this area?

(O): I can’t say for sure. What is the main idea there… To hold it for nothing? If there are, more favorable lines or the enemy starts to put more pressure… We don’t have “women can give more birth” rule – we value people the most.

Moreover, if it is a normally trained and motivated soldier, a key specialist, then his loss will mean failure in the direction. It doesn’t even matter what kind of support is sent there: if there is no specialist, that’s it.

Everything will depend on the situation. So far, they are not bringing in heavy equipment for an assault. I think we can work until spring.

#145705 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 13/02/2023 20:17
by Peacean
hepekcina wrote: 13/02/2023 20:05

de života vam pojasnite koja je razlika između topa i haubice?

dosta se tih termina vrti za artiljeriju a meni sve isto
Top direktno gađa mete kao kada pušku koristiš, dok haubica ispaljuje projektile u luku kao minobacač. Topom gađaš mete koje direktno vidiš na manjoj razdaljini, dok haubicom udaraš daleke mete koje ne vidiš već ih gađaš po navođenju izviđača koji prijenose lokaciju mete.

#145706 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 13/02/2023 20:34
by Matzan
Pojednostavljeno rečeno:
topovi (uglavnom) koriste donju grupu uglova, dok haubice gornju (ubacna putanja).

Precizno objašnjeno:
Danas se topničko oružje uglavnom dijeli prema duljini cijevi, tj. omjeru promjera cijevi (kalibra) i njezine duljine, na topove (1 : 30−70), top-haubice (1 : 20−40), haubice (1 : 12−30) i minobacače. Kalibar se isprva izražavao masom zrna u funtama, a danas se izražava u inčima ili milimetrima.

* Dakle, postoje i top-haubice.
Nama najpoznatija NORA M-84 152 mm, proizvodnja bila u BNT-u.

#145707 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 13/02/2023 20:44
by sumirprimus

Ka buuub

#145708 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 13/02/2023 20:55
by hepekcina
@Peacean @Matzan

hvala :thumbup:

#145709 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 13/02/2023 21:03
by drug_profi
GandalfSivi wrote: 13/02/2023 19:29
drug_profi wrote: 13/02/2023 14:43

Koji god amerikanac da je još u Rusiji, a da nije u službi Američke vlade, zaslužuje šta god da ga snađe.
Duplih drzavljanstava koliko god hoces…
Da.
A šta nije jasno u mom postu?
Ko hoće da bude tu zaslužuje šta god ga snađe.

#145710 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 13/02/2023 21:23
by drug_profi
Romanija wrote: 13/02/2023 17:36 Huh! :lala:

https://youtu.be/TnX3UdrycUM?t=177

3:01, kamermanu je cijeli zivot pretrcao pred ocima.
Ma nista ovo. Ispucali 120 mm ispal iz cijevi na brdo ispred nas i kotrlja se nizbrdo prema nama.
Inace 1% otprilke bude tač punjenje. Ovo je i dobro kad ostane da viri. Samo je izvadis. Malo je zajebanije kad proviri pa se vrati nazad u cijev. Moras sve lijepo pazljivo razmontirat i nagnuti cijev da istreses minu u ruke.

#145711 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 13/02/2023 21:37
by drug_profi
hepekcina wrote: 13/02/2023 20:05
Matzan wrote: 13/02/2023 12:55


Top 130 mm.
Ne postoji haubica 130 mm.
de života vam pojasnite koja je razlika između topa i haubice?

dosta se tih termina vrti za artiljeriju a meni sve isto
Elevacija cijevi. Top ne ide preko 45°.znaci male su mu mogucnosti ubacivanja projektila na cilj pod okomitim uglom.
Konkretno topovi imaju i negativan nagib, tj. depresiju cijevi. Ovaj ima -2,5°.
Haubice imaju mogucnost dizanja cijevi i do 75 ili vise stepeni.

#145712 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 13/02/2023 21:51
by drug_profi
Matzan wrote: 13/02/2023 20:34 Pojednostavljeno rečeno:
topovi (uglavnom) koriste donju grupu uglova, dok haubice gornju (ubacna putanja).

Precizno objašnjeno:
Danas se topničko oružje uglavnom dijeli prema duljini cijevi, tj. omjeru promjera cijevi (kalibra) i njezine duljine, na topove (1 : 30−70), top-haubice (1 : 20−40), haubice (1 : 12−30) i minobacače. Kalibar se isprva izražavao masom zrna u funtama, a danas se izražava u inčima ili milimetrima.

* Dakle, postoje i top-haubice.
Nama najpoznatija NORA M-84 152 mm, proizvodnja bila u BNT-u.
I M777 je top-haubica.
Elevacija cijevi od 0 do 72°.
Odnos kalibra spram duzine 1:32

#145713 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 13/02/2023 22:00
by Bobi
drug_profi wrote: 13/02/2023 21:51 I M777 je top-haubica.
Elevacija cijevi od 0 do 72
A jesu fino skuckali tu 777 u 4,5 tone, sve ostale preko 150mm su preko 7 tona :D.

#145714 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 13/02/2023 22:18
by doox

#145715 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 13/02/2023 22:19
by mishic
Ukrajinski zvaničnik Serhij Čerevatji, portparol Istočne grupe ukrajinske vojske, odbacio je danas tvrdnje ruske strane da je selo Krasna Gora u blizini Bahmuta pala u ruke Rusa.

#145716 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 13/02/2023 22:52
by Handbanana
mishic wrote: 13/02/2023 22:19 Ukrajinski zvaničnik Serhij Čerevatji, portparol Istočne grupe ukrajinske vojske, odbacio je danas tvrdnje ruske strane da je selo Krasna Gora u blizini Bahmuta pala u ruke Rusa.
To je super ako je tako. Na shittiju to mjesto je palo ima dva dana i sampanjac se vec toci.
Ka'ce taj Bahmut vise pasti...

#145717 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 13/02/2023 23:20
by CrveniKuk
Lola ga vidio i puca po dronu.

#145718 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 13/02/2023 23:27
by BiBi911
CrveniKuk wrote: 13/02/2023 23:20 Lola ga vidio i puca po dronu.
Jel ga svi ovi rusi(servi) primaju u pakas ili dronovi Volu samo tako.

#145719 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 13/02/2023 23:29
by BiBi911
Matzan wrote: 13/02/2023 19:21
BiBi911 wrote: 13/02/2023 16:46

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/10050051 ... 4itemAdapt

3000$ sa dostavom.... moze za tebe specijalni u Rose ili pink boji

Je li nešto urođeno ili te samo povremeno hvata?
Pa postavio si sliku (ruskog)aliexpres pujde. Ja ti samo preporucio tvoju omiljenu boju

#145720 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 13/02/2023 23:30
by Distortion



Gori i u Moskvi, pripalio je neko :mrgreen:

#145721 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 13/02/2023 23:46
by Mrvice_ba
Orke napadaju bilohorviku, krasna gora pala, bahmut hermeticki zatvoren, do tad zaluzni cese muda i govori heljp heljp. Hocu tenkove, avione, kamione heljp

#145722 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 14/02/2023 00:43
by japin_mutapi
sve je ok

#145723 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 14/02/2023 01:23
by GandalfSivi
Mrvice_ba wrote: 13/02/2023 23:46 Orke napadaju bilohorviku, krasna gora pala, bahmut hermeticki zatvoren, do tad zaluzni cese muda i govori heljp heljp. Hocu tenkove, avione, kamione heljp
Bas hermeticki zatvoren?

#145724 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 14/02/2023 01:49
by drug_profi
Forumas koji voli obitavati na proruskim medijima...
Ne mora znaciti da je prorus, ali je vrlo izvjesno dezinformisan... sta god mislio o svojoj otpornosti.

#145725 Re: Ukrajina

Posted: 14/02/2023 02:29
by geralt
GandalfSivi wrote: 14/02/2023 01:23
Mrvice_ba wrote: 13/02/2023 23:46 Orke napadaju bilohorviku, krasna gora pala, bahmut hermeticki zatvoren, do tad zaluzni cese muda i govori heljp heljp. Hocu tenkove, avione, kamione heljp
Bas hermeticki zatvoren?
Hermeticki zatvoren u smislu da ne smiju civili i novinari vise da ulaze, vojno to ne znaci nista.