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agent_zero wrote: ↑13/12/2022 09:45

Rothmans wrote: ↑12/12/2022 19:37

Nije nam stalo.

Meni jeste, a tebi ako nije, seli gdje ti je stalo.

Čitalac wrote: ↑13/12/2022 07:02 Nakon Macronove izjave da bi Evropa morala da pruži Rusiji „sigurnosne garancije“, Češka, Estonija, Letonija, Litvanija, Poljska i Slovačka uputile su juče zvanični demarš Parizu, prenosi Reuters.

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Baltic states and other European nations upset at comments made by French President Emmanuel Macron regarding security guarantees for Russia formally lodged disapproval and explained their position to France on Monday, diplomats said. In an interview with French TV station TF1 on Dec. 3, Macron said Europe needed to prepare its future security architecture and also think "how to give guarantees to Russia the day it returns to the negotiating table."
Those comments were immediately rebuked by Ukraine and Baltic states. While the French presidency and foreign ministry have sought to play them down, the anger appears to not have dissipated in some circles. The Czech Republic, which holds the EU Council presidency, helped organize support for the formal diplomatic representation, known as a "demarche".
Supporters of the demarche included the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, along with Poland and Slovakia , two diplomats said. Reuters was not able to establish how many countries in total supported the move, or whether the Czechs supported it.
The Czech Republic last week distributed a draft demarche, known as a non paper, to EU members in their capitals, the three European diplomats said. The diplomats said the paper argued that previous Russian efforts regarding European security architecture aimed to divide and weaken Europe. The non-paper listed aspects of cooperation and dialogue with Russia, ranging from a 1997 NATO-Russsia document to proposals from December, 2021 that included guarantees demanded by Russia, the diplomats said.
Two diplomats said the Czechs, along with several other member state representatives, delivered the finalized demarche to the French foreign ministry's Director of Continental Europe on Monday. Speaking to reporters on Friday, a French presidency official said there was nothing new in Macron's comments adding that they were in line with what Ukraine has said, which was that at the end of the war there would be a negotiation.

Rothmans wrote: ↑13/12/2022 09:50

agent_zero wrote: ↑13/12/2022 09:45

Meni jeste, a tebi ako nije, seli gdje ti je stalo.

Tu sam ja i u vecini sam

madner wrote: ↑13/12/2022 10:52 Rusi tokom WW2 nisu nigdje krocili kao saveznici, istocna Evropa je bila saveznik Njemaca, minus Poljska.

mishic wrote: ↑13/12/2022 11:01

madner wrote: ↑13/12/2022 10:52 Rusi tokom WW2 nisu nigdje krocili kao saveznici, istocna Evropa je bila saveznik Njemaca, minus Poljska.

To treba da ih nazovemo oslobodiocima zemalja na čije tlo su kročili uključujući i Istočnu Njemačku?

madner wrote: ↑13/12/2022 10:52 Rusi tokom WW2 nisu nigdje krocili kao saveznici, istocna Evropa je bila saveznik Njemaca, minus Poljska.

Saian wrote: ↑13/12/2022 11:21

madner wrote: ↑13/12/2022 10:52 Rusi tokom WW2 nisu nigdje krocili kao saveznici, istocna Evropa je bila saveznik Njemaca, minus Poljska.

U pravu si, nisu, vlastitim izborom.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Uprising

madner wrote: ↑13/12/2022 11:32 istocna Evropa je bila saveznik Njemaca, minus Poljska.

Also important in this connection are the orders to the Soviet troops in Poland on August 23, 1944, mandating urgent measures to be taken against the Polish Government-in-exile’s Home Army (Armija Krajowa, AK) units in areas occupied by the Red Army. These units were to be prevented from reaching Warsaw and thus aiding the Warsaw Uprising, and were to be arrested and disarmed.
The order is a rare documentary example of the Kremlin’s policy not only not to aid or abet the Warsaw Uprising, but to prevent the insurgents from receiving reinforcements in men or arms. This signifies that Stalin preferred that the uprising, which was organized by the emigre government, be put down by the Nazis, which indeed happened in September-October 1944, rather than be at all successful and serve as an impediment for the imposition of Moscow’s authority in Warsaw.
This evidence is relevant to the question, often discussed in the historiography of the period, whether the halt of the Red Army’s advance at the Vistula in mid-September, 1944, rather than crossing the river and coming to the aid of the Warsaw Uprising, derived from nefarious political calculations on Stalin’s part, or whether logistical and tactical considerations by the Soviet military dictated the need to cease offensive actions. (Available military documents regarding this question are inconclusive).

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