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problemnatravunu wrote: ↑29/05/2022 10:11 Rusija se nikada nije demokratizirala i oslobodila sistemske korupcije , zataškavanja, laganja svom narodu , eno u doba SSSR-a samo pogledajte događanja oko Černobila , u relativno novije vrijeme događanja oko podmornice Kursk , evo sada ovo iznad , laži, prevare, montaže, pljačke .....

-Chesterfield- wrote: ↑07/05/2022 01:53 http://www.klix.ba/clanak/220506023



Nešto razmišljam da razmijenim eure u rublje?

laik1981 wrote: ↑31/05/2022 17:00 Ljudi uozbiljite se Isto kao da pitate sta ce Kinezi i Indijci sa tim desetinama milijardi dolara viska A nafta se moze transportovati tankerima i zeljeznicom.. Vjerovatno ce na kraju opet dobar dio te nafte preko Indije i Kine zavrsiti u evropi..

Russia typically ships oil to Europe via Aframax tankers that carry about 600,000 barrels on round-trip voyages of roughly two weeks. Those ships are not big enough to efficiently make the longer voyage, which requires so-called Very Large Crude Carriers (aka VLCCs), holding 2 million barrels. And instead of a two-week voyage, the roundtrip to China requires a two-month sail there, then another two-month return trip empty.

Pozsar calculates that instead of tying up just a handful of Suezmax tankers to deliver 1.3 million bbl per day to Europe, Russia would need a dedicated fleet of 80 VLCCs to get the same flow of oil to China. Problem is, those ships don’t exist. Out of 800 existing VLCCs worldwide, there aren’t any spares.

Naturally, the Baltic Dirty Tanker Index has more than doubled since the start of the war to levels not seen since 2008. No wonder Norwegian tanker billionaire John Fredriksen last week announced the merger of his publicly traded Frontline tanker company with Euronav, in a $4.2 billion deal; the combined company will be the world’s second biggest operator with more than 120 vessels, behind only China’s COSCO. Russia’s Sovcomflot reportedly owns 110 tankers.

The logistics headache only gets worse. If China buys more cargoes of Russian oil, it won’t need as much from Saudi Arabia — those barrels can instead flow to Europe. But that’s a longer voyage as well, requiring more ships and more time. “More expensive ships. More expensive cargo. More expensive transit fees. Much longer transit routes. More risks of piracy. More to pay for insurance. More price-volatile cargo. More margin calls. More need for term bank credit.”

geralt wrote: ↑31/05/2022 17:11

laik1981 wrote: ↑31/05/2022 17:00 Ljudi uozbiljite se Isto kao da pitate sta ce Kinezi i Indijci sa tim desetinama milijardi dolara viska A nafta se moze transportovati tankerima i zeljeznicom.. Vjerovatno ce na kraju opet dobar dio te nafte preko Indije i Kine zavrsiti u evropi..

Prebacio sam ovamo sa teme o Ukrajini:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/christophe ... 279bb35446

Russia typically ships oil to Europe via Aframax tankers that carry about 600,000 barrels on round-trip voyages of roughly two weeks. Those ships are not big enough to efficiently make the longer voyage, which requires so-called Very Large Crude Carriers (aka VLCCs), holding 2 million barrels. And instead of a two-week voyage, the roundtrip to China requires a two-month sail there, then another two-month return trip empty.

Pozsar calculates that instead of tying up just a handful of Suezmax tankers to deliver 1.3 million bbl per day to Europe, Russia would need a dedicated fleet of 80 VLCCs to get the same flow of oil to China. Problem is, those ships don’t exist. Out of 800 existing VLCCs worldwide, there aren’t any spares.

Naturally, the Baltic Dirty Tanker Index has more than doubled since the start of the war to levels not seen since 2008. No wonder Norwegian tanker billionaire John Fredriksen last week announced the merger of his publicly traded Frontline tanker company with Euronav, in a $4.2 billion deal; the combined company will be the world’s second biggest operator with more than 120 vessels, behind only China’s COSCO. Russia’s Sovcomflot reportedly owns 110 tankers.

The logistics headache only gets worse. If China buys more cargoes of Russian oil, it won’t need as much from Saudi Arabia — those barrels can instead flow to Europe. But that’s a longer voyage as well, requiring more ships and more time. “More expensive ships. More expensive cargo. More expensive transit fees. Much longer transit routes. More risks of piracy. More to pay for insurance. More price-volatile cargo. More margin calls. More need for term bank credit.”

Matematika je zajebana nauka, logistika jos zajebanija. Ima razlog zasto sve drzave uglavnom nabavljaju naftu od komsija i zasto se preferiraju naftovodi.

detroit-mercy wrote: ↑31/05/2022 17:19

geralt wrote: ↑31/05/2022 17:11
Prebacio sam ovamo sa teme o Ukrajini:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/christophe ... 279bb35446



Matematika je zajebana nauka, logistika jos zajebanija. Ima razlog zasto sve drzave uglavnom nabavljaju naftu od komsija i zasto se preferiraju naftovodi.

Ma daj, lik lupeta ko maxim po diviziji, ko da tankeri i vagoni cisterne rastu na drvetu i samo cekaju da ih neko okrese i da krenu .

laik1981 wrote: ↑31/05/2022 18:15

detroit-mercy wrote: ↑31/05/2022 17:19
Ma daj, lik lupeta ko maxim po diviziji, ko da tankeri i vagoni cisterne rastu na drvetu i samo cekaju da ih neko okrese i da krenu .

Pricamo o Kini.. Ne pricamo o BiH.. Ako iko logisticki moze iznijeti neki izazov onda to Kina moze.. Volio bih ja da su Rusima svezane ruke ovim embargom isto kao i vi, samo sa danasnjom potraznjom i potrebama za naftom tesko da Rusi nece znati kako i kome da je prodaju.. Ne kazem da ce im biti jednostavno kao bez embarga al mislim da ih nece pogoditi u onoj mjeri koja je potrebna da se njihova politika promijeni.. U sustini vrijeme ce pokazati.. Za sad se sankcije vise i osjetnije odrazavaju na evropu i evropska ekonomija bi ga mogla dobro popusiti..

Black swan wrote: ↑01/06/2022 07:19 Trebalo je otvoriti granice za ruse i ukrajince 2014
Mozda i prije
A ne samo za inzenjere i prostititke
Nego za obicni narod...pa da vidi kako je zapad ok i kaoo nema zla kao sto se prica tamo
I onda bi imali radnike ne bi dovodili bangladesane a disjapora bi rodbini slala kes povecale bi se veze istoka i zapada

Black swan wrote: ↑01/06/2022 07:19 Trebalo je otvoriti granice za ruse i ukrajince 2014
Mozda i prije
A ne samo za inzenjere i prostititke
Nego za obicni narod...pa da vidi kako je zapad ok i kaoo nema zla kao sto se prica tamo
I onda bi imali radnike ne bi dovodili bangladesane a disjapora bi rodbini slala kes povecale bi se veze istoka i zapada