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Za razliku od Sirije, Egipat ima solidno opremljenu i obučenu vojsku, neće se desiti isti razvoj događaja.
Naravno žalosno je stradanje nedužnih civila, kao i u bilo kojem drugom sukobu.
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HM 2011 wrote:

A ja postavio linkove da ljudi čitaju:

On November 22, 2012, tens of thousands of protesters started to demonstrate against president Mohamed Morsi,[26] after Morsi's government issued a temporary constitutional declaration that in effect granted the president unlimited powers.[27] Morsi deemed the decree necessary to protect the elected constituent assembly from a planned dissolution by judges appointed during the Mubarak-era.[28]

Ili nisi pročitao ili namjerno rendaš...

"While Morsi defended his decree and insisted that it was temporary, his justice minister, Ahmed Mekki, began arguing publicly for a retreat that might defuse an escalating battle between Egypt’s new Islamist leaders and the institutions of its old secular authoritarian government."

"The president’s office has said the decree was needed to protect the democratically chosen constituent assembly that is trying to write a new Egyptian Constitution from Mubarak-appointed judges who appeared poised to dissolve it."

"Mekki said he supported that goal but that the president could accomplish it with a much narrower edict, one that did not assert sweeping immunity from judicial review on other matters, the feature of the decree Morsi issued on Thursday that has prompted the loudest protests.

On Sunday, Mekki met with the highest council overseeing the Egyptian courts to discuss the matter, and the council issued a statement of its own that scholars said appeared to endorse Mekki’s proposed compromise. Morsi is scheduled to meet with his advisers to discuss it Tuesday morning."

Ne tako dugo nakon svega toga - kada je moglo doći do kompromisa - Mursi je uhapšen..................... :mrgreen:
Znam ja vrlo dobro šta je Mursi želio i šta Muslimansko Bratstvo predstavlja.

Ideje sluganjskog Pan-Islamizma, halifata i carstva koje guraju Mursijeve "demokrate" kao vukovi u jagnjećoj koži na valovima demokratije dok je generala Sisija i kompanije neće moći proći. ;-)
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muzicar_iz_parka wrote:Za razliku od Sirije, Egipat ima solidno opremljenu i obučenu vojsku, neće se desiti isti razvoj događaja.
Naravno žalosno je stradanje nedužnih civila, kao i u bilo kojem drugom sukobu.
Igra se na mentalitet - Oko za oko zub za zub.....

ZA sutrašnje proteste se prijeti bojevom municijom.....

Biće to krvoproliće u jednom danu u rangu nekoliko dana ratovanja na svim frontovima drugog svjetskog rata..... Egipatska Vojska ubija Egipatske muslimane - masakrira ih - ko god da izađe sutra da protestuje........ Historijski masakr........ Upisan u Enciklopedijama na planeti......

A Sisi veliki vjernik - vjerovatno sotonističkog kulta ili čega već ?
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muzicar_iz_parka wrote:Za razliku od Sirije, Egipat ima solidno opremljenu i obučenu vojsku, neće se desiti isti razvoj događaja.
Naravno žalosno je stradanje nedužnih civila, kao i u bilo kojem drugom sukobu.
Samo da kazem, drzava od 100 miliona je u pitanju. Dovoljno je da je 5 miliona za nesto i eto belaja.
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Man of steel wrote:
HM 2011 wrote:

A ja postavio linkove da ljudi čitaju:

On November 22, 2012, tens of thousands of protesters started to demonstrate against president Mohamed Morsi,[26] after Morsi's government issued a temporary constitutional declaration that in effect granted the president unlimited powers.[27] Morsi deemed the decree necessary to protect the elected constituent assembly from a planned dissolution by judges appointed during the Mubarak-era.[28]

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"While Morsi defended his decree and insisted that it was temporary, his justice minister, Ahmed Mekki, began arguing publicly for a retreat that might defuse an escalating battle between Egypt’s new Islamist leaders and the institutions of its old secular authoritarian government."

"The president’s office has said the decree was needed to protect the democratically chosen constituent assembly that is trying to write a new Egyptian Constitution from Mubarak-appointed judges who appeared poised to dissolve it."

"Mekki said he supported that goal but that the president could accomplish it with a much narrower edict, one that did not assert sweeping immunity from judicial review on other matters, the feature of the decree Morsi issued on Thursday that has prompted the loudest protests.

On Sunday, Mekki met with the highest council overseeing the Egyptian courts to discuss the matter, and the council issued a statement of its own that scholars said appeared to endorse Mekki’s proposed compromise. Morsi is scheduled to meet with his advisers to discuss it Tuesday morning."

Ne tako dugo nakon svega toga - kada je moglo doći do kompromisa - Mursi je uhapšen..................... :mrgreen:
Znam ja vrlo dobro šta je Mursi želio i šta Muslimansko Bratstvo predstavlja.

Ideje sluganjskog Pan-Islamizma, halifata i carstva koje guraju Mursijeve "demokrate" kao vukovi u jagnjećoj koži na valovima demokratije dok je generala Sisija i kompanije neće moći proći. ;-)
Kako god ti zoveš šerijatski sistem u Egiptu imaju pravo na takav sistem - i osporavanje istog je nametanje nečega.....

Voliš li ti da iko nameće nešto ?

Sad nastavi...
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HM 2011 wrote:
muzicar_iz_parka wrote:Za razliku od Sirije, Egipat ima solidno opremljenu i obučenu vojsku, neće se desiti isti razvoj događaja.
Naravno žalosno je stradanje nedužnih civila, kao i u bilo kojem drugom sukobu.
Igra se na mentalitet - Oko za oko zub za zub.....

ZA sutrašnje proteste se prijeti bojevom municijom.....

Biće to krvoproliće u jednom danu u rangu nekoliko dana ratovanja na svim frontovima drugog svjetskog rata..... Egipatska Vojska ubija Egipatske muslimane - masakrira ih - ko god da izađe sutra da protestuje........ Historijski masakr........ Upisan u Enciklopedijama na planeti......

A Sisi veliki vjernik - vjerovatno sotonističkog kulta ili čega već ?
Sisi je general vojske jedne suverene i nezavisne države koju Muslimansko Bratstvo želi da utopi u sluganjski kalifat porodice Saud.

Dok radikalni kler, kojem bale na usta idu od same pomisli da će dobiti carstvo na rukovođenje, poziva ljude, žene, djecu da se suprostavljaju svojoj armiji i policiji, general Sisi može biti samo anđeo sa neba poslan tom narodu da ga izbavi iz čeljusti Pan-Islamizma.
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muzicar_iz_parka wrote:Za razliku od Sirije, Egipat ima solidno opremljenu i obučenu vojsku, neće se desiti isti razvoj događaja.
Naravno žalosno je stradanje nedužnih civila, kao i u bilo kojem drugom sukobu.
I nema Tursku u komsiluku, da malo poguraju.
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HM 2011 wrote:
madner wrote:Stavio se iznad ustava, dekretom. Pokusao izbrisat podjelu vlasti itd itd...
A ja postavio linkove da ljudi čitaju:

On November 22, 2012, tens of thousands of protesters started to demonstrate against president Mohamed Morsi,[26] after Morsi's government issued a temporary constitutional declaration that in effect granted the president unlimited powers.[27] Morsi deemed the decree necessary to protect the elected constituent assembly from a planned dissolution by judges appointed during the Mubarak-era.[28]

Ili nisi pročitao ili namjerno rendaš...

"While Morsi defended his decree and insisted that it was temporary, his justice minister, Ahmed Mekki, began arguing publicly for a retreat that might defuse an escalating battle between Egypt’s new Islamist leaders and the institutions of its old secular authoritarian government."

"The president’s office has said the decree was needed to protect the democratically chosen constituent assembly that is trying to write a new Egyptian Constitution from Mubarak-appointed judges who appeared poised to dissolve it."

"Mekki said he supported that goal but that the president could accomplish it with a much narrower edict, one that did not assert sweeping immunity from judicial review on other matters, the feature of the decree Morsi issued on Thursday that has prompted the loudest protests.

On Sunday, Mekki met with the highest council overseeing the Egyptian courts to discuss the matter, and the council issued a statement of its own that scholars said appeared to endorse Mekki’s proposed compromise. Morsi is scheduled to meet with his advisers to discuss it Tuesday morning."

Ne tako dugo nakon svega toga - kada je moglo doći do kompromisa - Mursi je uhapšen..................... :mrgreen:
Mursi je dobio jedan rok, pa drugi pa treci.
USA mu je savjetola da napravi kompromis, no nije htio. Postavio sam link prije par mjeseci, i kakav je fijasko napravio sa tim. Nakon toga su mu savjetovali da raspise nove izbore, zbog masovnih protesta konta sebe, no i tu je bio protiv.

I onda je uhapsen.
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HM 2011 wrote: Kako god ti zoveš šerijatski sistem u Egiptu imaju pravo na takav sistem - i osporavanje istog je nametanje nečega.....

Voliš li ti da iko nameće nešto ?

Sad nastavi...
Eh tu smo, dotjerali cara do duvara...

Toliko o demokratiji i demokratskim procesima..
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kamen spoticanja wrote: Ejs...velis kad se vec desilo onda nek klepe usima...cool
Sloboda se placa krvlju. ..mb je imao dva izbora...ili krv ili novi mubarak...
ili krv ili novi mubarak kazes. cija krv? lako je prosipati tudju krv.

ako svi djelite ovakvo misljenje, onda nije primjereno da se gadjate ovdje brojem zrtava. ocito da su zivoti tih nesretnih ljudi puno jeftiniji od politickog cilja.
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Man of steel wrote:
HM 2011 wrote:
muzicar_iz_parka wrote:Za razliku od Sirije, Egipat ima solidno opremljenu i obučenu vojsku, neće se desiti isti razvoj događaja.
Naravno žalosno je stradanje nedužnih civila, kao i u bilo kojem drugom sukobu.
Igra se na mentalitet - Oko za oko zub za zub.....

ZA sutrašnje proteste se prijeti bojevom municijom.....

Biće to krvoproliće u jednom danu u rangu nekoliko dana ratovanja na svim frontovima drugog svjetskog rata..... Egipatska Vojska ubija Egipatske muslimane - masakrira ih - ko god da izađe sutra da protestuje........ Historijski masakr........ Upisan u Enciklopedijama na planeti......

A Sisi veliki vjernik - vjerovatno sotonističkog kulta ili čega već ?
Sisi je general vojske jedne suverene i nezavisne države koju Muslimansko Bratstvo želi da utopi u sluganjski kalifat porodice Saud.

Dok radikalni kler, kojem bale na usta idu od same pomisli da će dobiti carstvo na rukovođenje, poziva ljude, žene, djecu da se suprostavljaju svojoj armiji i policiji, general Sisi može biti samo anđeo sa neba poslan tom narodu da ga izbavi iz čeljusti Pan-Islamizma.
Anđeo sa neba.....

Sam princip Islama je Sluganstvo Bogu a ne kraljevima a i kralj u islamu je sluga Boga......

Ako žele biti sluge mogu biti sluge bilo kojoj državi i državnom vrhu - a najbolje je da služe bogu, božijim propisima, sebi samima i svojoj okolini u pozitivnom smislu......

"Sisi je general vojske jedne suverene i nezavisne države koju Muslimansko Bratstvo želi da utopi u sluganjski kalifat porodice Saud." Ovo je dio priče gdje se razlikuje služba Kur"anu i služba ljudima....

Ti upravo predstavljaš službu Kur"anu kao služenje nekoj porodici ? Jelde da to nije lijepo sa tvoje strane ?

Hajde barem utemelji svoju tvrdnju na dokazima ?

Egipt, sudan, eritreja, etiopija, somalija - svi graniče sa Arabijom - i svi imaju neke probleme - a Saudijci najtraženiji posjetioci svih destinacija.....

Zar nije činjnica da oni uopšte nemaju nikakvog uticaja na razvoj događaja - da se svojski trude da nešto ide po njihovom to da - ali uticaj je izgleda nikakav...
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Man of steel wrote:
HM 2011 wrote: Kako god ti zoveš šerijatski sistem u Egiptu imaju pravo na takav sistem - i osporavanje istog je nametanje nečega.....

Voliš li ti da iko nameće nešto ?

Sad nastavi...
Eh tu smo, dotjerali cara do duvara...

Toliko o demokratiji i demokratskim procesima..
Uvode šerijat demokratskim procesom ? Šta je tu čudno ?

Demokratskim procesom legalizuju marihuanu - šta je tu čudno ?

Demokratskim procesom uvode zabranu pušenja na javnim mjestim - šta je tu čudno ?

Šta je čudno sa tim demokratskim procesom pa izgleda nespojiv sa Islamom ? Spojiv sa prostitucijom, drogom, LBGQ zajednicom, Kamatom, - sve može ako većina odluči - i onda

Većina se odluči za Islam i to nije demokratski ?
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madner wrote:
HM 2011 wrote:
madner wrote:Stavio se iznad ustava, dekretom. Pokusao izbrisat podjelu vlasti itd itd...
A ja postavio linkove da ljudi čitaju:

On November 22, 2012, tens of thousands of protesters started to demonstrate against president Mohamed Morsi,[26] after Morsi's government issued a temporary constitutional declaration that in effect granted the president unlimited powers.[27] Morsi deemed the decree necessary to protect the elected constituent assembly from a planned dissolution by judges appointed during the Mubarak-era.[28]

Ili nisi pročitao ili namjerno rendaš...

"While Morsi defended his decree and insisted that it was temporary, his justice minister, Ahmed Mekki, began arguing publicly for a retreat that might defuse an escalating battle between Egypt’s new Islamist leaders and the institutions of its old secular authoritarian government."

"The president’s office has said the decree was needed to protect the democratically chosen constituent assembly that is trying to write a new Egyptian Constitution from Mubarak-appointed judges who appeared poised to dissolve it."

"Mekki said he supported that goal but that the president could accomplish it with a much narrower edict, one that did not assert sweeping immunity from judicial review on other matters, the feature of the decree Morsi issued on Thursday that has prompted the loudest protests.

On Sunday, Mekki met with the highest council overseeing the Egyptian courts to discuss the matter, and the council issued a statement of its own that scholars said appeared to endorse Mekki’s proposed compromise. Morsi is scheduled to meet with his advisers to discuss it Tuesday morning."

Ne tako dugo nakon svega toga - kada je moglo doći do kompromisa - Mursi je uhapšen..................... :mrgreen:
Mursi je dobio jedan rok, pa drugi pa treci.
USA mu je savjetola da napravi kompromis, no nije htio. Postavio sam link prije par mjeseci, i kakav je fijasko napravio sa tim. Nakon toga su mu savjetovali da raspise nove izbore, zbog masovnih protesta konta sebe, no i tu je bio protiv.

I onda je uhapsen.
Postavi mi molim te taj link opet.... Da vidimo šta mu je nuđeno (da odbaci ustavne reforme?)
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Trebali su pustiti MB da završi sa svojim mandatom, narod bi se uvjerio da kako god okreneš u oba kampa je korumpirana foteljaška bagra koja se samo razlikuje u nekolio nijansi. S tim da pod sekularistima ima malo više ekonmskog prosperiteta i lične slobode.
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HM 2011 wrote:
Anđeo sa neba.....

Sam princip Islama je Sluganstvo Bogu a ne kraljevima a i kralj u islamu je sluga Boga......

Ako žele biti sluge mogu biti sluge bilo kojoj državi i državnom vrhu - a najbolje je da služe bogu, božijim propisima, sebi samima i svojoj okolini u pozitivnom smislu......

"Sisi je general vojske jedne suverene i nezavisne države koju Muslimansko Bratstvo želi da utopi u sluganjski kalifat porodice Saud." Ovo je dio priče gdje se razlikuje služba Kur"anu i služba ljudima....

Ti upravo predstavljaš službu Kur"anu kao služenje nekoj porodici ? Jelde da to nije lijepo sa tvoje strane ?

Hajde barem utemelji svoju tvrdnju na dokazima ?

Egipt, sudan, eritreja, etiopija, somalija - svi graniče sa Arabijom - i svi imaju neke probleme - a Saudijci najtraženiji posjetioci svih destinacija.....

Zar nije činjnica da oni uopšte nemaju nikakvog uticaja na razvoj događaja....
O čemu ti trkeljaš, dva puta čitam i ništa te skontao nisam.

Religiju ostavimo po strani jer osim zapaljujućeg svojstva ona nema nikakvu drugu funkciju u ovom političkom sukobu.
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HM 2011 wrote:
Uvode šerijat demokratskim procesom ? Šta je tu čudno ?

Demokratskim procesom legalizuju marihuanu - šta je tu čudno ?

Demokratskim procesom uvode zabranu pušenja na javnim mjestim - šta je tu čudno ?

Šta je čudno sa tim demokratskim procesom pa izgleda nespojiv sa Islamom ? Spojiv sa prostitucijom, drogom, LBGQ zajednicom, Kamatom, - sve može ako većina odluči - i onda

Većina se odluči za Islam i to nije demokratski ?
Čudno je, itekako je čudno.

Uvoditi šerijat demokratskim procesima je isto kao i uvoditi diktaturu demokratskim procesima. Jedno sa drugim ne ide, kao ulje i voda.

Ne sporim da to nije moguće kao što je narod u Iranu izabrao svoju sudbinu ali nije u skladu sa demokratskim tokovima, na koje se licemjerno pozivaju Mursijevci.

I zar je iko pitao egipatski narod da li oni žele taj šerijat pa je Murski krenuo u ufanzivu?
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Serijat je uveo cini mi se Naser, ali haj.

Necemo sada u detalje. :D
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DAR ES SALAAM (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama called embattled Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi to urge him to respond to mass opposition demonstrations and said the political crisis could only be resolved by talks, the White House said on Tuesday.

Obama also called on both sides to ensure rallies stayed peaceful, after the death toll in clashes between rival protesters since Sunday reached at least 16 people.

Egypt's armed forces on Monday handed the president a virtual ultimatum to share power, giving feuding politicians 48 hours to compromise or have the army impose its own road map.

The president of the United States, which is a big aid donor to Egypt and its military, "told President Mursi that the United States is committed to the democratic process in Egypt and does not support any single party or group," the White House said.

"President Obama encouraged President Mursi to take steps to show that he is responsive to their concerns, and underscored that the current crisis can only be resolved through a political process," it said in a statement.

Obama, who is in Tanzania at the end of an eight-day visit to Africa, urged Mursi to create an inclusive political process.

"Democracy is about more than elections," the statement said. "It is also about ensuring that the voices of all Egyptians are heard and represented by their government, including the many Egyptians demonstrating throughout the country."

Obama repeated his concern about reports of violence during rallies, particularly reports of sexual assaults against women. He urged Mursi to make clear to his supporters that all forms of violence were unacceptable, the statement said.

- What were their voices ?

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Evo link koji ide u dubinu svega ...........

http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2 ... 54059.html

Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi on Saturday annulled a constitutional declaration he issued last month expanding his powers, but the effects of that declaration would stand, an official told a Cairo news conference.

A referendum on a draft constitution would however still go ahead as planned on Dec.15, the official, Islamist politician Selim al-Awa, said as he relayed the substance of a meeting between Mursi and political leaders.

Amr Moussa said holding the constitution on Dec. 15 “puts the whole nation” in danger.

The two issues –the decree and the referendum – were at the heart of anti-Mursi protests that have rocked Egypt in the past two weeks.

Gamal Fahmi, member of the Egyptian Journalists Syndicate, told Al Arabiya that those who took part in talk with Mursi represented themselves only, adding that the new constitutional declaration did not address the “fundamental” problem, which he said was in the assembly that was tasked to draft the constitution.

George Isaac, activist and member of the Constitution Party, also told Al Arabiya that Mursi’s declaration did not offer anything news. “The ceiling of the people’s demands is very high, and this constitutional declaration does not answer people’s demands.”

He said activists would discuss new ways to escalate pressure against the president.

The National Salvation Front rejected President Mursi’s decision to annul his previous decrees as an attempt save face.

The April 6 Movement also dismissed Mursi’s move, saying that he failed to address the constitution, which will be voted on Dec. 15.

Tareq al-Khouli, a spokesman for the movement, told Al Arabiya,“ We need to draft the constitution which does not represent the Egyptians as a whole, but only the president and his group.”

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detalji masni detalji:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constituen ... y_of_Egypt

Bile dvije ustavotvorne skuštine, druga bila zaštićena ali je sadržavala i pravo veta oružanih snaga....

A ruling on the dissolution of the Constituent Assembly by the Administrative Court in Cairo was postponed until 9 October 2012 to allow the judges to look into documents regarding the case.[16] The hearing was adjourned until 16 October.[17] The Cairo Administrative Court would give its verdict on the legality of the Constituent Assembly on 23 October.[18] The Supreme Administrative Court referred the lawsuit to the High Constitutional Court. This might give the Constituent Assembly enough time to finish drafting the constitution.[19] Mohamed Morsi's constitutional declaration issued in November 2012 bars the Constituent Assembly from being dissolved by the judiciar

to je ono što se koristi kao argument.....

ali na kraju dolazimo do toga da

A number of parties have embraced Mohamed ElBaradei's and Hamdeen Sabbahi's calls for a boycott of the Constituent Assembly. The parties and organizations that have signed a statement calling for a boycott include "the Nasserist Party, Karama Party, the Constitution Party, the Egyptian Democratic Party, the Socialist Popular Alliance, the Free Egyptian Party, the pro-democracy Kefaya Movement, the Egyptian Socialist Party, and the Revolutionary Democratic Coalition".[21] Mohamed Ghonim, the coordinator of Egyptian Popular Current and liberal Amr Hamzawi have also signed the statement calling for a boycott.[21]

A number of activists, public figures and politicians announced during a press conference on Wednesday 3 October 2012 that they do not recognize the constitution as it is currently being written by the Constituent Assembly and instead seek to draft a constitution that is built upon popular consensus.[22] The name of the group is the Egyptian Constitutional Front.[23]

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Naravno - Mursi i Islamsko bratstvo ide jednom čudnmo logikom da mogu urediti čitavu državu kao Mekku i MEdinu - međutim ako ti državu čine Kopti - koji imaju i jača historijska prava od tebe i koji moraju imati tvoje poštovanje onda moraš sve uzeti u obzir pa ti ni šerijat neće biti tek tako - ograničen:

The acting Coptic Pope "wanted to withdraw from the assembly to make sure the church's stand was known and that officials knew the Coptic Church would not allow such a narrow-minded constitution to be drafted with its name on it."[25]

Ali ispade od te greške - da Šerijat uopte ne valja - da to ne valja - da je najbolje ne biti Musliman i tako to (to su stavovi).....

Na kraju dobili smo čekanje velikog egipatskog krvoprolića od strane Anđela ili kako ga već neki zovu.....

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Ukratko - rješenje -

Vratiti Mursija, ponoviti draft ustava i prilagoditi faktičkom stanju na terenu - kodifikovati moralna prava Pripadnika Islama, Kopta, i Jevreja i suditi po njima, generalni zakon neka bude zakon većine jer to je demokratija i problem rješen - a ako neko ima problema sa tim neka se javno suprotstavi da neće damu se sudi po njegovom zakonu od strane njegovog sudije ili šta već....
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#1321 Re: Egipat (pročitati prvi post)

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Man of steel wrote:
HM 2011 wrote:
Anđeo sa neba.....

Sam princip Islama je Sluganstvo Bogu a ne kraljevima a i kralj u islamu je sluga Boga......

Ako žele biti sluge mogu biti sluge bilo kojoj državi i državnom vrhu - a najbolje je da služe bogu, božijim propisima, sebi samima i svojoj okolini u pozitivnom smislu......

"Sisi je general vojske jedne suverene i nezavisne države koju Muslimansko Bratstvo želi da utopi u sluganjski kalifat porodice Saud." Ovo je dio priče gdje se razlikuje služba Kur"anu i služba ljudima....

Ti upravo predstavljaš službu Kur"anu kao služenje nekoj porodici ? Jelde da to nije lijepo sa tvoje strane ?

Hajde barem utemelji svoju tvrdnju na dokazima ?

Egipt, sudan, eritreja, etiopija, somalija - svi graniče sa Arabijom - i svi imaju neke probleme - a Saudijci najtraženiji posjetioci svih destinacija.....

Zar nije činjnica da oni uopšte nemaju nikakvog uticaja na razvoj događaja....
O čemu ti trkeljaš, dva puta čitam i ništa te skontao nisam.

Religiju ostavimo po strani jer osim zapaljujućeg svojstva ona nema nikakvu drugu funkciju u ovom političkom sukobu.
Suzi Andjele -

Kako ne razumiješ -

Ti si povezao državu sa klerom i sa saudima u svom odgovoru:
Man of steel wrote: Sisi je general vojske jedne suverene i nezavisne države koju Muslimansko Bratstvo želi da utopi u sluganjski kalifat porodice Saud.

Dok radikalni kler, kojem bale na usta idu od same pomisli da će dobiti carstvo na rukovođenje, poziva ljude, žene, djecu da se suprostavljaju svojoj armiji i policiji, general Sisi može biti samo anđeo sa neba poslan tom narodu da ga izbavi iz čeljusti Pan-Islamizma.
ja povezao državu sa Kur"anom i Sunnetom - pravnim izvorima šerijatskog sistema i pitam te gdje ti vidiš vezu Egipta i težnju za šerijatom Egipta sa Saudijskom kraljevskom kućom ?

- šta ti nije jasno

- Andjele ?
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#1322 Re: Egipat (pročitati prvi post)

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madner wrote:Serijat je uveo cini mi se Naser, ali haj.

Necemo sada u detalje. :D
Nikakv to šerijat nije bio.

Naser je balanirao islamskim zakonima na sličan način kao i Gadafi, onako kako im je odgovaralo i prema vlastitim potrebama.

Čak se iz priloženog snimka i šprdao sa njim:

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#1323 Re: Egipat (pročitati prvi post)

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Komentari posjetilaca na Al Jazeerinoj stranici:

''Nema koristi od demonstracija i slanja nevinog naroda u sigurnu smrt, njih treba ubijati, treba im se oružjem suprostaviti, ubijati ovojsku, Mensura, Sisija, sve koji su imali bilo kakve veze sa ubijenim demonstrantima na Rebiul Adevije''

Komentari posjetilaca na državnoj egipatskoj TV:

''Pozdravljamo odluku ministra unutrašnjih poslova Egipta o dozvoli ubijanja demonstranata i korištenja bojeve municije, i treba ih nastaviti ubijati ako se osude na ponovne demonstracije''

- To je to. Rat je izgleda počeo.
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#1324 Re: Egipat (pročitati prvi post)

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Ubijeni policajci na Rebiul Adevije su izgleda likvidirani od strane kolega. Radilo se o islamistima koji su odbili naređenje o pucanju na demonstrante.
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#1325 Re: Egipat (pročitati prvi post)

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Egipatska vojska puca po nenaoružanim demonstrantima. Koje kukavice Bože drag. zar može majka roditi ovo. Egipatska vojska je definitivno najbjednija rulja, zagađuju planetu svojim postojanjem. Banda jedna, kukavice bijedne:

- VIDEO JE POTRESAN

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