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Čitalac wrote:

salik79 wrote: Sta kazu, dokle je taj "initial stage" bio? Prije, ili poslije klanja u Bosni? I sta znaci "some"? Vele da ih je samo iz Bugarske bilo oko 2000.

Uglavnom, cetalji koriste te slike koje se nalaze u muzeju.

Verujem da se tim fotografijama služe Miloslav Samardžić i ta njegova ekipa iz “Pogleda”, ali i po njihovim tvrdnjama broj Jevreja u redovima četnika nije nikada bio veliki i oni, zbog obrazovanja, mahom nisu ni bili borci već su uglavnom bili angažovani u sanitetu ili na nekim drugim dužnostima (primera radi, Mihailovićev lekar tokom čitavog rata bio je Tibor Goldfan).
U Kraljevini Jugoslaviji bilo je 1.672 aktivna i rezervna oficira Jevreja. Njih 400 je nakon kapitulacije odvedeno u zarobljeničke logore, a od ovih preostalih praktično se niko nije pridružio četnicima. Jevreji su, gde god je to bilo moguće, odlazili u partizane. Otud na kraju rata i deset narodnih heroja i 14 generala Jevreja. Ako je u partizanskim redovima u periodu 1941-1945 bilo 4.500 Jevreja, onda među četnicima nije moglo biti više od njih stotinu. Tome su svakako doprinosili i sami četnički proglasi, poput onog iz februara 1943. upućenog "narodu Bosne, Like i Dalmacije" u kojem stoji “došli smo vam u pomoć da razbijemo žalosne ostatke komunističke međunarodne zlikovačke bande Tita, Moše Pijade, Levi Vajnerta i drugih plaćenika Jevreja”.
“Najviše” Jevreja stiglo je u četnike u istočnoj Srbiji, radilo se o beguncima iz logora “Borski rudnik”, a prema rečima samog komandanta tamošnjeg četničkog korpusa bilo ih je “oko 30 intelektualaca”. Kako su u tom kraju partizanske jedinice bile ili veoma slabe ili nepostojeće, begunci i nisu imali drugi izbor.

славянин wrote:

Samo ti dobro moli boga da Izraelcima ne padne na pamet da opet krenu da biju ozbiljno.

insomnia78 wrote:Ovi su zajebali one savine iz najljepseg grada na svijetu. Njih sto do sto pedeset protiv pet iljada do zuba naoruzanih jevreja. Spavaš li mirno bitko za Košare

salik79 wrote:

insomnia78 wrote:Ovi su zajebali one savine iz najljepseg grada na svijetu. Njih sto do sto pedeset protiv pet iljada do zuba naoruzanih jevreja. Spavaš li mirno bitko za Košare

Podaci s wikipedije:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bint_Jbeil

Ti provjeri

I tvoje miljenike iz Golan brigade nalupase

славянин wrote:Str'a ih , krenuli su na Siriju,Egipat,Jordan i Liban u paketu pa ih otresli sada ih str'a od 150 hezbolahovih . Sto ce da idu bilo gdje ?? Izraelu nikad bolje, mir sa egiptom,Sirija u rusevinama,sa jordanom u odlicnim odnosima.... Samo Iran treba rijesiti prije ili kasnije i eto mira.

славянин wrote:

salik79 wrote:

insomnia78 wrote:Ovi su zajebali one savine iz najljepseg grada na svijetu. Njih sto do sto pedeset protiv pet iljada do zuba naoruzanih jevreja. Spavaš li mirno bitko za Košare

Podaci s wikipedije:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bint_Jbeil

Ti provjeri

I tvoje miljenike iz Golan brigade nalupase

Cijelih 17 mrtvih u odsudnoj bitci
IDF
17 killed

Hezbollah
32 killed (Hezbollah claim)
50-70 militants (IDF claim)
"A very large number" (Winograd Report)
"Dozens" (Reuven Erlich)
76 Lebanese civilians killed in Aynata,Bint Jbeil,and Aytaroun.

Zaista izrael je udario punom snagom i onda nakon uzasnog gubitka od 17 vojnika povukli se

salik79 wrote:

славянин wrote:Str'a ih , krenuli su na Siriju,Egipat,Jordan i Liban u paketu pa ih otresli sada ih str'a od 150 hezbolahovih . Sto ce da idu bilo gdje ?? Izraelu nikad bolje, mir sa egiptom,Sirija u rusevinama,sa jordanom u odlicnim odnosima.... Samo Iran treba rijesiti prije ili kasnije i eto mira.

Tada nije bilo Hizbullaha

Kada ih 150 nakanta, zamisli sta bim im 10000 i vise napravilo. Bujrum, neka probaju

salik79 wrote:
Tada nije bilo Hizbullaha

Kada ih 150 nakanta, zamisli sta bim im 10000 i vise napravilo. Bujrum, neka probaju

славянин wrote:

salik79 wrote:
Tada nije bilo Hizbullaha

Kada ih 150 nakanta, zamisli sta bim im 10000 i vise napravilo. Bujrum, neka probaju

Pa u tvom linku stoji hezbollah - i nisam znao da isti nije postojao 2006 god

Pa sta se ceka - Kad krece se na jeruzalem

salik79 wrote:
De malo provjeri sta si nspisao i postavio, a sta sam ja ofdgovorio!

Kad se krece na Bejrut?

Wounded soldiers who took part in heavy combat Wednesday on the outskirts of the Hezbollah stronghold of Bint Jbail recounted their experiences from their hospital beds at Haifa's Rambam Medical Center, which received 22 of the wounded casualties of the battle.

"They suffer mostly from shrapnel and also from penetration of bullets," said Dr. Micky Hilbertal, who runs the emergency room where the soldiers are hospitalized. "Most of the injuries are in the limbs, a few of them are in the chest and stomach."

Hilbertal said the most similar experience he can recall when he was required to treat this many wounded was during the first Lebanon war. "[Back then], helicopters landed here almost non-stop," he said, noting that Rambam is working in full emergency mode.
The wounded soldiers described the battle as a bitter one which took place in a built-up setting, one where enemy forces had organized a well-planned ambush. Soldiers faced gunfire from any and all directions.

"They shot at us from 180 degrees," said one of the soldiers. Most of the dead and seriously wounded are those from the initial wave of ground troops which tried to enter one of the homes in Bint Jbail. The soldiers who suffered light wounds are primarily those who arrived on the scene to retrieve the bodies of the dead and wounded soldiers lying in the battlefield.

Some of the wounded were in an open field and others behind walls as well as inside homes. Sergeant Tzachi Duda suffered light injuries in his leg due to shrapnel.

"The battle began at 3:30 at night," he said. "Ten minutes after the first clash, we arrived to help. There was heavy fire from rocket launchers, missiles, rocket-propelled grenades. I provided cover fire for soldiers who tried to reach the wounded, and this went on for hours. Eventually, a missile hit the yard where I was standing. I was thrown back along with the wall which I was hiding behind. In my lifetime I never expected to see bodies and people with bullets in their chest."

Sergeant Ohed Shalom was wounded while attempting to recover a soldier's body which was lying behind a steel door.

"We tried to go in and break through the door but we didn't succeed," he said. "When I shot at the door, they saw me and shot in my direction."

Shalom, who sustained shrapnel wounds to his leg, said the soldiers did all in their power to prevent Hezbollah gunmen from reaching their comrades' bodies.

The soldiers also recounted feats of heroism displayed by their friends. "They carried soldiers on stretchers while simultaneously shooting at terrorists," Shalom said.

"It was hell on earth," Corporal Lior Sharabi said. "People risked their lives not only for the wounded but also for the dead bodies."

Sharabi added that Hezbollah fighters demonstrated impressive combat capabilities. "They are strong fighters, not like us, but better than Hamas," he said.

One of Hezbollah's most troublesome position from which it fired upon soldiers was the towering mosque in the village.

"There were maybe 30 terrorists [in the mosque]," Shalom said.

Staff Sergeant Avraham Dajan was hit in his arm by shrapnel. "They fired from all directions, we tried to get to the wounded," he said. "As I was about to throw a grenade, I got hit by shrapnel. After I was hurt, I couldn't do anything. I saved myself."

Some of the wounded soldiers spoke of face-to-face clashes with Hezbollah operatives. However, none of the soldiers gave first-hand accounts of such incidents. The soldiers, who serve in the 51st battalion of the Golani infantry brigades, said their stay in Lebanon extended to three consecutive days, during which they managed very little sleep.

"We lived in one of the houses and about every hour or so we would wake up out of fear that someone had entered the house," Shalom said. "Every once in a while, we would move from house to house."

"Even after a day like this, the morale is higher," said Ram Boneh, a 20-year-old resident of Hadera who was lightly wounded by shrapnel. "I want to go out and return to active duty."

"At 12:30, [Boneh] called and told us he was in Rambam and that we shouldn't worry," Boneh's mother, Heska, said. "We came here immediately from Hadera. It's very hard for me [to deal] with what is happening. I'm Dutch and I wasn't educated on the army, and it's very difficult for me to deal with the fact that he's a fighter. But I am with him and I trust him as well as the entire army."

Ben Gurion, izraelski predsjednik


Ben Gurion

Moramo se pripremiti da krenemo u ofanzivu. Naš cilj je da razbijemo Liban, Transjordan i Siriju. Slaba tačka je Liban, zbog toga što je muslimanski režim umjetan i lagan za nas da ga potkopamo. Mi ćemo uspostaviti tamo kršćansku državu, a onda ćemo razbiti arapsku legiju, eliminirati Trans-Jordan; Sirija će pasti u naše ruke. Mi ćemo nastaviti bombardirati i napredovati, te zauzeti Port Said, Aleksandriju i Sinaj. „David Ben-Gurion, maj 1948.godine, Glavnom štabu. Iz “Ben Gurion, biografija“ od Michael Ben-Zohara, Delacorte, New York 1978.)

славянин wrote:Pa u tome i jeste razlika i snaga Izraela (mislim jedna od prednosti) - Oni svoj neuspjeh prihvate,rade na tome da ga isprave.Arapi a i Iranci od iransko irackog rata svoje poraze predstavljaju kao velike pobjede ili izdaje (zvuci poznato ).

Mislim bilo kakva ozbiljna rasprava sa tobom koji smatras da je hezbolah ozbiljniji protivnik od vojske 3 drzave + ocjenjujes kapacitete IDFa i Hezbolaha naspram seoske bitke koja je razultovala sa cijelih 17 mrtvih u Izraelu pokazuje samo kako prosjecni pro hezbolah ciko razmislja, zato ce i nastaviti izrael da ih gaza

salik79 wrote:

славянин wrote:Pa u tome i jeste razlika i snaga Izraela (mislim jedna od prednosti) - Oni svoj neuspjeh prihvate,rade na tome da ga isprave.Arapi a i Iranci od iransko irackog rata svoje poraze predstavljaju kao velike pobjede ili izdaje (zvuci poznato ).

Mislim bilo kakva ozbiljna rasprava sa tobom koji smatras da je hezbolah ozbiljniji protivnik od vojske 3 drzave + ocjenjujes kapacitete IDFa i Hezbolaha naspram seoske bitke koja je razultovala sa cijelih 17 mrtvih u Izraelu pokazuje samo kako prosjecni pro hezbolah ciko razmislja, zato ce i nastaviti izrael da ih gaza

5000 najeltnijih vojnika IDFa uz zracnu podrsku, kontra 150 boraca, od kojih samo 40 elitnih.


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Haman2 wrote:

Hezbolah i Hamas nisu ozbiljne prijetnje Izraelu. Izrael zeli da ocisti teritorije od Arapa koje je zacrtao kao svoje. U tome mu pomazu bogate zemlje Zapada. Tolerisu cionisticki fasizam. Izraelci se ponasaju prema Palesticima kao sto su je nacisyi ponasali prema njima. Tu gotovo da i nema nikakve razlike.
Svaki narod ima onakvu vlast kakvu zasluzuje. Ni jedna drzava nema pravo nekom drugom narodu nametati vlast po svom nahodjenju ili uzoru. Promasenost te ide najbolje se vidi u : Afganistanu, Iraku, Siriji i Libiji.
Da je bolje sada u Afganistanu, Iraku, Siriji i Libiji nego sti je bilo. Naravno da nije. Zasto je to tako, ciji su to interisi Bog sami znao ali izraelski svakako da jesu kad je u pitanju Sirija.