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#126176 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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Kakva hrpa ostrašćenih ignorantnih likova skromnog vokabulara i nedoraslih za civilizovanu diskusiju. Zamisli samo takav mentalni sklop koji nekog naziva ljubiteljem koljača samo zato jer ne drži njegovu stranu u ratu. A takve osobe šetaju svuda oko nas, vjerovatno ta informacija u običnom čovjeku izaziva nelagodu.

Za vašu informaciju, rat se vodi u Siriji, ne na ovoj temi. To što su neki od vas odlučili da sebi daju na značaju iako ga naravno nemaju, ne obavezuje ama baš nikoga da vas ozbiljno shvati.
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#126177 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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Leverage wrote:Kakva hrpa ostrašćenih ignorantnih likova skromnog vokabulara i nedoraslih za civilizovanu diskusiju. Zamisli samo takav mentalni sklop koji nekog naziva ljubiteljem koljača samo zato jer ne drži njegovu stranu u ratu. A takve osobe šetaju svuda oko nas, vjerovatno ta informacija u običnom čovjeku izaziva nelagodu.

Za vašu informaciju, rat se vodi u Siriji, ne na ovoj temi. To što su neki od vas odlučili da sebi daju na značaju iako ga naravno nemaju, ne obavezuje ama baš nikoga da vas ozbiljno shvati.
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#126178 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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Leverage wrote:Kakva hrpa ostrašćenih ignorantnih likova skromnog vokabulara i nedoraslih za civilizovanu diskusiju. Zamisli samo takav mentalni sklop koji nekog naziva ljubiteljem koljača samo zato jer ne drži njegovu stranu u ratu. A takve osobe šetaju svuda oko nas, vjerovatno ta informacije u običnom čovjeku izaziva nelagodu.

Za vašu informaciju, rat se vodi u Siriji, ne na ovoj temi. To što su neki od vas odlučili da sebi daju na značaju iako ga naravno nemaju, ne obavezuje ama baš nikoga da vas ozbiljno shvati.
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To za diskusiju si dobro rekao. Forumaše koji brane Asadov režim na ovoj temi najviše i banuju. Kakva crna civilizovana diskusija sa njima :-) Za njih su novinari Indexa, Njujork Tajmsa Isilovci :-)
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#126179 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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Još jednu stvar bih da primijetim. Naime neki od diskutanata stalno govore kako je nešto "davno napisano na temi" pa prema tome to valjda treba uzeti kao apsolutnu istinu i ne dovoditi u pitanje. Ne mislite valjda da bilo ko ozbiljan kreira vlastiti stav na osnovu vašeg piskaranja? Postoji cijeli niz izvora na osnovu kojih se formira mišljenje na bilo koju, pa tako i na ovu temu.

Ovdje se ponašate kao nekakva sekta. Pa sama činjenica da u jednom realnom konfliktu, dakle ne na filmu ili u knjizi nekoj nego baš ratu koji se dešava u realnom vremenu, vi koristite termine "dobro" i "zlo". Onako pravi akademski vokabular, nema šta. Naravno da vas niko cum grano salis neće uzeti za ozbiljno u bilo kakvoj civilizovanoj diskusiji.
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#126180 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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16 pripadnika režimskog NDF-a nestalo u pustinji Al Mayadina u Deir EZ-Zouru:

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فقدان الاتصال بمجموعة من ميليشيا الدفاع الوطني في بادية ‎الميادين ، يبلغ عدد العناصر المفقودين (16) عنصر بقيادة أحد قادة الميليشيا المدعو : حميد الذيبان أبو ظافر من ابناء بلدة ‎بقرص فوقاني .
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#126181 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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sarajevoxxxx wrote:Forumaše koji brane Asadov režim na ovoj temi najviše i banuju.
Da izdvojim.
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#126182 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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- Hassan Nasrallah u današnjem obraćanju o američkom povlačenju iz Sirije:
- I think @realDonaldTrump is completely serious and honest about withdrawing American forces from Syria. He promised this during his election campaign, and has 2020 election campaigns coming up, and he's fulfilled good part of electoral promises.

- During elections, @realDonaldTrump asked why U.S. was spending trillions and shedding its blood in these areas. He had to travel to Iraq secretly and left secretly, which is an admission of American defeat.

- @realDonaldTrump is better than @BarackObama. Obama talked about human rights, etc. Trump was blunt - talked about American interests only, allies paying protection money. This was particularly insulting to Saudi Arabia

- In my opinion, @realDonaldTrump from day one wanted to pull US troops out of Syria. His advisors convinced him to be patient, because US withdrawal would serve Iran.

- @realDonaldTrump announced about 8 months ago that US would withdraw from Syria. Mattis and others lost their mind, because it would be a free victory for Iran. They convinced him to wait 6 months so they could accomplish some kind of victory.

- 6 months wasn't officially announced, but @CNN and others revealed that Mattis/others convinced @realDonaldTrump to give them 6-month window to accomplish victory in Syria.

- The American price for withdrawal became that US forces would withdraw at same time as Iranian forces and Hezbollah. This was conveyed to Russians. Putin conveyed it to @HassanRouhani, and Rouhani conveyed this to me.

- I responded that the Americans will withdraw from Syria whether Iran/its allies withdraw or not. The Iranians rejected the American demand, and Assad also rejected demand for an Iranian withdrawal.

- Also, the Russians didn't pressure us or the Iranians to withdraw. They simply conveyed the American message - and did so politely. When we rejected, they accepted and conveyed rejection to the Americans.

- When Americans received our rejection, they used their remaining time to focus on defeating ISIS. When 6 months were up, Americans had accomplished nothing.

- As for why @realDonaldTrump wants to withdraw? It's because Syria, its people, democracy, don't matter to him. Israel, some groups there and some red lines, matter to him, and Trump thinks he can enforce these red lines without American presence in Syria.

- @realDonaldTrump can apply American military pressure in Syria w/o American presence in Syria. They can cary out strikes from Odeid Airbase in Qatar for example. This is a new strategy I call the Trump Version of American projecgt in the Middle East.

- So this isn't just a tactical maneuver by Trump. But American withdrawal from Syria is a failure and defeat.

- @realDonaldTrump's withdrawal announcement, and declaration that US won't be world police in the region, terrified their allies in the region, including Saudi Arabia.

- There were reverberations to this American decision. After @realDonaldTrump announced withdrawal, Kurdish forces came to Beirut to talk to Hezbollah to find a solution w/Syrian regime, and then turned to Russia and Iraq.

- American decision for withdrawal also caused an Arab snowball effect of attempting to reconcile with Syrian regime: including visit of Sudanese president to Damascus w/Saudi green light, UAE reopening embassy in Damascus, etc.

- Mattis resignation/Syrian withdrawal caused panic in Saudi Arabia and UAE. They convened in Abu Dhabi and outcome was view that Turkey - and not Iran - was prime threat in Syria, they could negotiate w/Assad, and deal w/Russia.

- In Saudi/UAE view, Iran - because it is Shiite country - can only have limited influence in Syria. Turkey, which is Sunni, can have more influence. Its victory in Syria would be regional threat because of its alliance w/Muslim Brotherhood.

- Saudi/UAE therefore decided they could work w/Assad, and have detente w/Iran, because this is the lesser of two evils compared to Erdogan's regional project and threat it poses to Gulf States.

- @SecPompeo and David Hale then toured the region in order to reassure these countries.

- However, I tell everyone - and particularly the Israelis - the Americans will not be able to do more than they have already done in this region. They will leave Syria and the entire region. They're even conceding that the Taliban is the gov't in Afghanistan.

- @realDonaldTrump will not come to @netanyahu or MBS' rescue. The US are in no position to reinvade the region or wage war. What US wants to do is reassemble regional allies, with their own funds, to place them at the forefront of confrontation w/Iran.

- Several high-ranking Arab officials have visited Syria, but I can't reveal their identity.

- The Americans failed in Syria, and the most disappointed person from that is @netanyahu.
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#126183 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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bekekovci malo kod Hezbollaha u zijaretu bili.
#Hezbollah Nasrallah reveals #SDF, #USA main allies in northeast #Syria, came to visit Hezbollah in #Lebanon asking for a mediation with President #Assad to negotiate their status and, from Beirut - he reveals - left to #Moscow for the same purpose.

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#126184 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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Leverage wrote:Kakva hrpa ostrašćenih ignorantnih likova skromnog vokabulara i nedoraslih za civilizovanu diskusiju. Zamisli samo takav mentalni sklop koji nekog naziva ljubiteljem koljača samo zato jer ne drži njegovu stranu u ratu. A takve osobe šetaju svuda oko nas, vjerovatno ta informacija u običnom čovjeku izaziva nelagodu.

Za vašu informaciju, rat se vodi u Siriji, ne na ovoj temi. To što su neki od vas odlučili da sebi daju na značaju iako ga naravno nemaju, ne obavezuje ama baš nikoga da vas ozbiljno shvati.
Aha, nismo na tvom nivou jelde? :D
E hvala ti, baš sam tebe čekao da mi objasniš šta je rat u realnom vremenu. :thumbup:
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#126185 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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sarajevoxxxx wrote: :thumbup:

To za diskusiju si dobro rekao. Forumaše koji brane Asadov režim na ovoj temi najviše i banuju. Kakva crna civilizovana diskusija sa njima :-) Za njih su novinari Indexa, Njujork Tajmsa Isilovci :-)
Najbolje mi je bilo kad si vas savoxe propagatore ISIL-a uporedio sa Noamom Chomskim zato sto je rekao da je Amerika stvorila ISIL udarajuci maljem po krhkom irackom drustvu. :lol:

sarajevoxxxx wrote:

Isil kakav je takav je, proizvod je okolnosti, i manje više ima podršku naroda.Narod u Siriji želi da se prekine sa masakrima.Sirijska opozicija zajedno sa svojim prijateljima iz međunarodne zajednice sasvim mirno posmatra klaonicu, mirno gleda na svakodnevne masakre, čak šta više svjetskim agencijama mrsko i da izvještava o tim masakrima.Taj narod da ima bolji izbor od isila sigurno bi dao prednost tom presvjetlom izboru, koji odiše i puca civilizacijom, modernošću, pravdom :-)

U suštini narod želi samo da se odbrani, a nije da isil nije u stanju da ih odbrani. Ljudima je bitno da se riješe Asada, da se stane sa masakrima, u njima su vidjeli snagu i to je to.FSA je dvije godine stražarila oko Tabke, nisu ništa uradili, ovi došli sve pomeli, i tako je sve krenulo.
sarajevoxxxx wrote:
- Da li ih osuđujem. Bože sačuvaj, ni u snu. Ni njih ni ISIL ni Nusru. Je li dovoljno otvoreno :)
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#126186 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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imamo pobjednika
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japin_mutapi wrote:imamo pobjednika
Occa t'?
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#126188 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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ti si sampion
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#126189 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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karakters wrote:
tetejac wrote:
Leverage wrote:Kakva hrpa ostrašćenih ignorantnih likova skromnog vokabulara i nedoraslih za civilizovanu diskusiju. Zamisli samo takav mentalni sklop koji nekog naziva ljubiteljem koljača samo zato jer ne drži njegovu stranu u ratu. A takve osobe šetaju svuda oko nas, vjerovatno ta informacija u običnom čovjeku izaziva nelagodu.

Za vašu informaciju, rat se vodi u Siriji, ne na ovoj temi. To što su neki od vas odlučili da sebi daju na značaju iako ga naravno nemaju, ne obavezuje ama baš nikoga da vas ozbiljno shvati.
Aha, nismo na tvom nivou jelde? :D
E hvala ti, baš sam tebe čekao da mi objasniš šta je rat u realnom vremenu. :thumbup:
Ma vidis da je nako natakareno dijete koje nema veze sa zivotom, vrijedno strebo knjige da prosiri vokabular, nije nigdje izlazio, dobio licnu kartu i sa njom veliki poriv da nesto kaze, uzvikne kakvu knjisku parolu o altruizmu, kritickom razmisljanju, moralnoj superiornosti.
Mlad i zelen a istrošio se vremenom skroz na skroz :gunjastajl:
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#126190 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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japin_mutapi wrote:ti si sampion
Image

:lol:
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#126191 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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tetejac wrote: Mlad i zelen a istrošio se vremenom skroz na skroz :gunjastajl:
A latinski prica ko da mu je papa dedo.
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#126192 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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seln wrote:
salik79 wrote:
A der Spiegel je poznat po "istinitim" prilozims o Siriji. Cak su i visestruko nagradjavani za to. Pitajte Claasa Relotiusa. :oops:
Jak argument, nema sta...
jedan novinar je lagao, znaci citav Spiegel laze.
No, ako ti je tako lakse, slobodno vjeruj u bratsku ljubav Rusa, Irana i Asada.
Novinar, tacnije urednik, zaduzen za pisanje o Siriji. Hajde sto je godinama lagao, nego je za to i visestruko nagradjivan. I, sto je najgore, i dalje ce se pozivati na njegove lazi kada zele nesto "argumentovati" po pitanju Sirije.

Sasvim sigurno se niko nece pozivati na ovu argumentaciju:
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Sirija pobjeđuje, :thumbup:
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- Turski, alii ruski izvori navode kako je u tišini ruska vojna policija zamijenila ili “dopunila” američke rendžere sjeverno od Manbija, gdje su američke snage imale tri manje terenske “baze”.

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Sa sva tri mjesta, Oushrie, Rafiaa i Dadat, objavljene su fotografija na kojima se vide pripadnici ruske vojne policije.
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Novi video od Salaha Mensoura - Odnosi Amerike i Irana

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rSeN2-FcM ... e=youtu.be
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#126196 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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- Vodeće izraelske figure (Ya'alon, Livni, Lapid) osuđuju Natanjahuovu nepromišljenost u Siriji:

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#126197 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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Mnogi će da odahnu kad Likud sa svojim satelitima konačno sjaše.
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#126198 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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Challenger_ wrote:
- Turski, alii ruski izvori navode kako je u tišini ruska vojna policija zamijenila ili “dopunila” američke rendžere sjeverno od Manbija, gdje su američke snage imale tri manje terenske “baze”.

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Sa sva tri mjesta, Oushrie, Rafiaa i Dadat, objavljene su fotografija na kojima se vide pripadnici ruske vojne policije.
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To je @Nadzornik postavio prije dva dana pa se se neki forumaši oglasili da je fake news.
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#126199 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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Ma kakav fake.
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Sve je to privremeno. Ruske snage su imale nekoliko baza i kontrolnih OB-a oko Afrina, pa su se povukli kad je došlo vrijeme.
PR potez ništa drugo.
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