Bundesliga

[pirmin]

Kakav simbolican odlazak vjecnog luzera Kießlinga.

[Point.]

Žao mi HSV. BL je potreban HSV a ne jebeni seljački Freiburg, Augsburg, Darmstadt i slično. Samo ne razumijem upravu HSV, kakvi debili jebotekrušnamrva.

Haj makar su Nürnberg i Fortuna ušli.

[Nadzorna_ploca]

Cemu vakat tome i vrijedi.

[megaman4]

Žao mi HSV. BL je potreban HSV a ne jebeni seljački Freiburg, Augsburg, Darmstadt i slično. Samo ne razumijem upravu HSV, kakvi debili jebotekrušnamrva.

Haj makar su Nürnberg i Fortuna ušli.

Sami su krivi. Finansijski su super jaki ali debilna uprava ne zeli ciljana pojacanja nego dovode neprovjerena imena koja su ih kostala ispadanja nakon 55 godina.

Sad nek osvjeze sve segmente u klubu, od uprave do igraca i eto ih ekspresno nazad.

HSV je ipak veliki klub, cak i u Evropskim okvirima. Nek im ovo bude lekcija.

[Logovan]

Žao mi HSV. BL je potreban HSV a ne jebeni seljački Freiburg, Augsburg, Darmstadt i slično. Samo ne razumijem upravu HSV, kakvi debili jebotekrušnamrva.

Haj makar su Nürnberg i Fortuna ušli.

Pa seljački klubovi bolje rade od njih. HSV se godinama pati, prošle sezone završili 16. i otišli u doigravanje i spasili se. Sami su krivi.

[pizarro]

proslu sezonu je wolfsburg bio na 16. mjestu.

[Logovan]

proslu sezonu je wolfsburg bio na 16. mjestu.

Onda je pretprošla, znam da se nije baš tako davno desilo spašavanje.

[pizarro]

u pretprosloj sezoni je frankfurt zavrsio na 16. mjestu

[Point.]

Žao mi HSV. BL je potreban HSV a ne jebeni seljački Freiburg, Augsburg, Darmstadt i slično. Samo ne razumijem upravu HSV, kakvi debili jebotekrušnamrva.

Haj makar su Nürnberg i Fortuna ušli.

Sami su krivi. Finansijski su super jaki ali debilna uprava ne zeli ciljana pojacanja nego dovode neprovjerena imena koja su ih kostala ispadanja nakon 55 godina.

Sad nek osvjeze sve segmente u klubu, od uprave do igraca i eto ih ekspresno nazad.

HSV je ipak veliki klub, cak i u Evropskim okvirima. Nek im ovo bude lekcija.

Pa to. Ne kontam upravu i ko ih bira. Trebali su navijači davnih dana porazbijati te tipove, koji očigledno ne rade za dobrobit kluba. Jebote, jedan Hamburg sa svojom ekonomijom, stanovništvom, armoja navijača, predobar stadion i sebi dozvole ovo.

[mousstapha]

Znaci VfB, znaci Korkut

[missko]

Pa bas zato sto ima para HSV izaglavi od uprave jer se uhljebi ubace samo da lovi zgrnu koja nije nicija i zbog tog je ovo pravlio 50+1 sranje

[Mišo_Kovač]

Jašta... Oni glupi, trebali su dovesti litvansko-američke juden-biznismene da im gazduju. Oma bi im procvalo cvijece, svako sedam dana bi osvajali nesto...

[mousstapha]

https://youtu.be/gfARYwVMoZA

[cyprus]

Kao što napisah na drugoj temi - u zadnjih 20 i kusur godina, odigrali su možda 2-3 sezone onako solidno... Sve ostalo je bila patnja... Ja se čudim kako ranije nisu ispali...

[bersK]

Sveti trojac HSVa.

[pirmin]

Streich nece prezivjeti jos jednu ovakvu sezonu.
Umrijet ce covjek na klupi.

[AmiĐa_Idriz]

Meni je Leverguzen fenomen, kakvi luzeri grob te yebo

[mousstapha]

Drama u drugoj ligi.

Nek je Drezden ostao

[pizarro]

kakav pad braunschweiga

[nKrkan]

a kako su se zadali ovi Sttutgarta

sve neke talente dovode

između ostalog i Sosu iz Dinama

Pogodili su s Kempfom, ako se za bilo koga može reći da je novi Hummels, to je Oliver Kempf
vidjet će se njegov kvalitet samo polako

[mousstapha]

Pa kad su skrti da daju pare za gotove igrace. Nekog lika im je preoteo PSV, jer nisu bili spremni da povecaju ponudu i idu prvi put u historiji preko 10 mil eura

[vicious]

Žao mi HSV. BL je potreban HSV a ne jebeni seljački Freiburg, Augsburg, Darmstadt i slično. Samo ne razumijem upravu HSV, kakvi debili jebotekrušnamrva.

Haj makar su Nürnberg i Fortuna ušli.

Sami su krivi. Finansijski su super jaki ali debilna uprava ne zeli ciljana pojacanja nego dovode neprovjerena imena koja su ih kostala ispadanja nakon 55 godina.

Sad nek osvjeze sve segmente u klubu, od uprave do igraca i eto ih ekspresno nazad.

HSV je ipak veliki klub, cak i u Evropskim okvirima. Nek im ovo bude lekcija.

Pa to. Ne kontam upravu i ko ih bira. Trebali su navijači davnih dana porazbijati te tipove, koji očigledno ne rade za dobrobit kluba. Jebote, jedan Hamburg sa svojom ekonomijom, stanovništvom, armoja navijača, predobar stadion i sebi dozvole ovo.

Htjedoh se još neki dan osvrnuti na ovo pa zaboravih
Pogrešna je predodžba da HSV ima para, da je finansijski jak klub. Čak je suprotno, oni već godinama prave gubitke i tonu sve dublje u minus i dugove, čini mi se da su trenutno preko 100 miliona u minusu. Loša poslovna politika iz godine u godinu proizvodi sve veći dug, a u planiranjima su bili previše optimistični i računali s nekim prihodima koji su na kraju izostali. Računali s plasmanima u Evropu, pa ga popušili. Računali s boljim plasmanima na tabeli (i više para od tv prava) pa ga popušili. Računali na neke pare od transfera pa popušili, tj. gubili pare na raskidima ugovora s trenerima i igračima. Na kraju im se sve svelo na to da ih onaj neki milijarder koji ima udio u klubu pogura kojim milionom kad gori.

Na sličan način je i Dortmund 2004. skoro završio u bankrotu, a to se vrlo lako može desiti HSV-u ako povjerioci počnu tražiti svoje pare.

Zimus sam negdje pročitao dobar tekst koji je objasnio sve to, pokušat ću ga naći. S prevodom na engleski, samo za Batu

[vicious]

Evo našao sam, Stern je pisao, izvorni tekst je ovdje: https://www.stern.de/sport/die-hsv-kata ... 40984.html

Prevod na engleski je rađen automatski pa vjerovatno ima grešaka, ali mislim da se najbitnije može razumjeti.

The HSV disaster - Hardly victories, hardly any points, but lots of red numbers

The HSV-Dino is on the brink of extinction: A fund that has been empty for years is probably driving the traditional club straight into insolvency. Like it's not bad enough.

Yesterday we were on the brink, today we are already one step further. The slogan fits like a fist to the HSV, the dinosaur of the German Soccer League, which has been the only club in the Bundesliga since its foundation and has never been relegated. However, that should be over at the end of this year's season. Not only because with Markus Gisdol another coach has been fired whose playful concept didn't work and that's why HSV is once again on the brink of second-class status. The club is not only 17th in the table and thus penultimate. He currently has only a measly 16 points after 20 of 34 rounds. However, it is expected to be around 40 points at the end of the season in May. This means that the team would have to win eight or nine of the remaining 14 matches (three points per win) if it wants to continue in the upper house of football. Whether the new coach Bernd Hollerbach can incite the professionals to the performance increase, however, might be carried at present particularly by a large feeling: the hope.

The oncoming sporting misery results in another one that is far more serious than the threat of relegation: it's about money. And it is clear that one follows the other. So the catastrophic cash situation is the result of the sporting disaster that has persisted for years, which arises equally from mismanagement and a largely incompetent purchasing and sales policy of the license players. Because only those who kick on the pitch, at least in the secure midfield of the table, also get fat TV money. While last season's champions Bayern Munich took in 39 million euros (source: fernsehgelder.de), HSV, 14th, had to make do with 26.2 million. In addition, there are marketing bonuses (HSV: height unknown) from the pot of the German Football League and sponsors (HSV: 7.5 million euros from Emirates, among others) who try to use the glamour of a reasonably successful club for their products.

Insolvency after second-class status
If HSV falls into the second league, then the store will presumably go bankrupt. The HSV's professional department is a stock corporation that was spun off from the klix association HSV (e. V.) and is required to report in accordance with the rules of stock corporation law.

The owners of the shares are:
the parent club HSV e. V. with 76.19 percent,
billionaire Klaus-Michel Kühne with 20.57 percent
and three families associated with the club with a total of 3.24 percent.

Said AG would be bankrupt in the event of a relegation. Would be? In fact, she has been for a long time. At least since 2013, because she hasn't been making money for a long time. Since the beginning of the 2012/13 season until today, no profit has been reported according to the balance sheets, but rather a loss of 48.7 million euros has been generated.

And on top of that, the ailing shop is burdened by debts of more than 105 million euros. Nevertheless, the chairmen of the board or the chief financial officers were rarely called to account, as would actually be the case for a public limited company, but instead it was almost always the sports directors and above all the head coaches who had to deal with the matter. Especially the latter were changed as quickly as sweaty jerseys. Over the last 17 years, the club has hired, believe it or not, 15 head coaches - and quickly fired them back. Their average seating strength on the spinning chair: 1.13 years. Nowhere else in the league is he more shaky.

The coaches chased by the court were sweetened with lavish severance pay, which is why the assessment applies in the industry that HSV Fußball AG is not only the worst managed professional group of the Bundesliga, but also the unofficial compensation or payout champion.

A few examples concerning the trainers:
Markus Gisdol received an annual commitment of 1.7 million euros according to estimates by industry insiders. His contract runs until summer 2019, which means that the AG will have to pay him a further 2.4 million euros.
His predecessor Bruno Labbadia was fired after only nine months in office, but is said to have received a residual salary of 1.3 million euros by the end of his contract term. In addition, there was allegedly a fixed severance payment in the event of premature dismissal in the amount of 1.2 million EUR.
Dutchman Bert van Marwijk returned to his home country in 2014 with an estimated two million euros.
Mirko Slomka, who inherited van Marwijk and tried to train HSV's alleged ball artists, is said to have received a Golden Handshake of 1.8 million euros.
On the other hand, the circulated 800,000 euros for Thorsten Fink (2011-2013) and the 500,000 euros each for Michael Oenning (2011) and Armin Veh (2010-2011) look like cheap divorces.

What has often been forgotten in view of the ever-cloudy cash situation for years now is that from 2013 to the present day, 120 million euros have been powdered out for often missed player transfers. Often for those kickers who are not or were not worth their money and quickly gained a reputation as talented rumble footballers at best, with whom no flower pot can be won, but who are filled with money. Like HSV professional Lewis Holtby, for example, who according to the unveiling organization "Football Leaks" is to receive a basic salary of 291,666 euros - per month! If a game is won, which is a rare occurrence at HSV, an additional €45,000 is paid into the midfielder's account for each victory. And each additional point brings him another 15,000 euros. According to Football Leaks, the bottom line last year was a lush 4.1 million euros. The problem: Holtby only rarely plays nowadays. Like now at the 20th kick of the season. Sometimes, because he's hurt. At least under former coach Gisdol he was considered "out of shape" or "did not fit into the game system". But he still has to be paid.

Good salaries even without success
After Holtby as the most expensive HSV player, Kyriakos Papadopoulos, Filip Kostic and Bobby Wood, each with three million annual salaries (without bonuses), rank second, third and fourth in the ranking list published by fußballgeld.de. Nicolai Müller and Aaron Hunt follow with 2.5 million euros each and the Brazilian Walace with two million euros. Most of the 31 or so licensed players earn more than a million a year, whether they win or lose. Salary costs alone plus premiums for the professionals thus add up to well over 50 million euros a year - with only 129 million turnover. Not counting the millions of transfer fees that once had to be paid for the change of players to HSV or still have to be paid. According to the website transfermarkt.de, the HSV had to transfer nine million euros for Holtby alone to the English club Tottenham Hotspurs in 2015.

Unceasing cash incineration
In view of this economic and sporting disaster, the continuing losses, the constant change of coaches, the incessant incineration of money and the threat of relegation to insignificance, even the cast-iron fans are now wondering what the four-man management team actually received a combined salary of 3.95 million euros in the 2016/2017 financial year. Moreover, in view of the catastrophic figures, it is highly questionable whether the economic perspective that the club managers will soon have to present to the bosses of the German Football League for the coming 2018/19 Bundesliga season is serious enough to obtain a licence for the first division again. If not, then at home games in the Volksparkstadion, swinging dinosaur mascots danced out to the sounds of the HSV anthem "Hamburg, Deine Perle" as a symbol of unaccessibility.

Translated with http://www.DeepL.com/Translator

[pizarro]

nakon 10 godina, braunschweig otpustio lieberknechta.
e jesu pokazali karakter

[Tito_i_Partija]

Evo našao sam, Stern je pisao, izvorni tekst je ovdje: https://www.stern.de/sport/die-hsv-kata ... 40984.html

Kakva karina od menadzmenta. Pogotovo ovo za Holtby-a, pa jebote k'o da Messija placaju, a ustvari doveli prosjek da im sisa krv.

Uzas.