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Point. wrote:Neki bi nazor da dokazu krivicu Nasera. Covjek nije kriv, dzaba se trudite.

ne kontam koji im je cilj dal da nas izjednace ne bil "oprali" svoje zlocine i genocid

muha_sa wrote:

Point. wrote:Neki bi nazor da dokazu krivicu Nasera. Covjek nije kriv, dzaba se trudite.

ne kontam koji im je cilj dal da nas izjednace ne bil "oprali" svoje zlocine i genocid

Očit je cilj, žele riješiti 90% problema između Bošnjaka i Srba

JohnnyS wrote:

muha_sa wrote:

Point. wrote:Neki bi nazor da dokazu krivicu Nasera. Covjek nije kriv, dzaba se trudite.

ne kontam koji im je cilj dal da nas izjednace ne bil "oprali" svoje zlocine i genocid

Očit je cilj, žele riješiti 90% problema između Bošnjaka i Srba

Predati im jos Sefera pa onda imamo 80% bonusa za sledeci genocid

calculator wrote:

calculator wrote:...Naser Orić NIJE odgovarao za zločine u selu ZALAZJE.

and wrote: VIDOVIĆ: ....Zalazje se u haškoj optužnici spominje kao dio njegove navodne zone odgovornosti. Ispitivana je njegova direktna komandna odgovornost, ali i odgovornost za njegove potčinjene. Haški tribunal nije našao elemente njegove odgovornosti. Švicarske i srbijanske vlasti preusko tumače pravilo zabrane ponovnog suđenja za stvar za koju je neko osuđen. Istraga Haškog tribunala protiv Nasera vođena je od kraja 1995. do 2003. godine. Istraživani su mnogi događaji. Mi imamo nesumnjive dokaze da su predmet tih istraga bili i ovi događaji u Zalazju za koje ga sad terete iz Beograda. Haški tužilac nije našao dokaza da su ti događaji ratni zločin.

Je li Srbija u međuvremenu mogla pronaći nove dokaze protiv Orića?

VIDOVIĆ: Vrlo su male mogućnosti za to, jer smo mi u posjedu dokumenta koji govori o tome da su 1994. godine žrtve iz Zalazja pronađene u ruševinama. Riječ je o izvještaju Bratunačke brigade Vojske Republike Srpske. U tom dokumentu doslovno piše „da su u ruševinama pronađeni leševi osoba koje su poginule u borbama u julu 1992. godine u Zalazju“. Kad je već u pitanju borba, onda je to selo vojni cilj. U dokumentu ne piše da su zarobljeni pa ubijeni, kao što to sad tvrdi srbijanski tužilac. Veliku sumnju na cijeli slučaj baca dio ovog dokumenta Vojske RS-a gdje piše „zovite novinare, televizijske ekipe i patologe iz Beograda da vrše propagandu genocida nad Srbima“. I taj je dokument tužilac Haškog tribunala imao na razmatranju. Taj smo dokument mi pronašli u arhivu Vojske RS-a i Haškog tužilaštva.

Dakle - ICTY Presuda je neistinita, lažna? Izjava Vasvije Vidović je relevantan dokaz da je sud procesuirao Orića zbog Zalazja?

Presuda: http://www.icty.org/x/cases/oric/acjug/bcs/080703.pdf

Može li mi neko citirati dio Presude u kojoj piše Zalazje?

kako sam ja skontao,zalazje je bilo predmet istrage i nije bilo dokaza da je počinjen ratni zločin i nije ni podignuta optužnica,pa ne može biti ni u presudi,vjerovatno

The Srebrenica massacre, also known as the Srebrenica genocide[7][8][9][10][11][12] (Bosnian: Genocid u Srebrenici), was the genocidal killing, in July 1995, of more than 8,000[1][13][14][15][16] Bosniaks, mainly men and boys, in and around the town of Srebrenica during the Bosnian War. The killing was perpetrated by units of the Army of Republika Srpska (VRS) under the command of General Ratko Mladić. The Secretary-General of the United Nations described the mass murder as the worst crime on European soil since the Second World War.[2][3] A paramilitary unit from Serbia known as the Scorpions, officially part of the Serbian Interior Ministry until 1991, participated in the massacre,[6][17] along with several hundred Ukrainian and Russian volunteers.[18][19][20]

In April 1993, the United Nations declared the besieged enclave of Srebrenica in the Drina Valley of northeastern Bosnia a "safe area" under UN protection. However, in July 1995, the United Nations Protection Force (UNPROFOR), represented on the ground by a 400-strong contingent of Dutch peacekeepers, Dutchbat, could not prevent the town's capture by the VRS and the subsequent massacre.[21][22][23][24]

In 2004, in a unanimous ruling on the case of Prosecutor v. Krstić, the Appeals Chamber of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY), located in The Hague, ruled that the massacre of the enclave's male inhabitants constituted genocide, a crime under international law.[25] The forcible transfer of between 25,000 and 30,000 Bosniak women, children and elderly which accompanied the massacre was found to be confirming evidence of the genocidal intent of members of the VRS Main Staff who orchestrated the massacre.[26] In 2005, in a message to the tenth anniversary commemoration of the genocide, the Secretary-General of the United Nations noted that, while blame lay first and foremost with those who planned and carried out the massacre and those who assisted and harboured them, the powers with the ability to had failed to respond adequately, the UN itself had made serious errors of judgement and the tragedy of Srebrenica would haunt the UN's history forever.[2]

Serbia and Montenegro was cleared of direct responsibility for or complicity in the massacre, but was found responsible for not doing enough to prevent the massacre and not prosecuting those responsible, in breach of the Genocide Convention. The Preliminary List of People Missing or Killed in Srebrenica compiled by the Bosnian Federal Commission of Missing Persons contains 8,373 names.[1] As of July 2012, 6,838 genocide victims have been identified through DNA analysis of body parts recovered from mass graves;[27] as of July 2013, 6,066 victims have been buried at the Memorial Centre of Potočari.[28] Serbian President Tomislav Nikolić officially apologized for the massacre, although he stopped short of calling it genocide.[29]

Reburials in the secondary mass graves
Grave of a 13-year-old

From approximately 1 August 1995 to 1 November 1995, there was an organised effort to remove the bodies from primary mass gravesites and transport them to secondary and tertiary gravesites.[135] In the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia court case "Prosecutor v. Blagojevic and Jokic", the trial chamber found that this reburial effort was an attempt to conceal evidence of the mass murders.[136] The trial chamber found that the cover up operation was ordered by the VRS Main Staff and subsequently carried out by members of the Bratunac and Zvornik Brigades.[137]

The cover-up operation has had a direct impact on the recovery and identification of the remains. The removal and reburial of the bodies have caused them to become dismembered and co-mingled, making it difficult for forensic investigators to positively identify the remains.[138] For example, in one specific case, the remains of one person were found in two different locations, 30 km apart.[139] In addition to the ligatures and blindfolds found at the mass graves, the effort to hide the bodies has been seen as evidence of the organised nature of the massacres and the non-combatant status of the victims, since had the victims died in normal combat operations, there would be no need to hide their remains.[138][140]

calculator wrote:
Dakle, Naser Orić NIJE odgovarao za zločine u selu ZALAZJE.

Zašto Tužilaštvo BiH Orićev predmet drži u ladici, zašto ne okonča postupak, i ako je zaista nevin, oslobodi ga odgovornosti. Ili, ako je kriv, da ga takvim proglasi, i uputi na izdržavanje kazne. Jedino na ovakav način prestaće tenzije i pravda će biti ispunjena.

ne vjerujem srbiji ni kad optužnice podiže

muha_sa wrote:

Point. wrote:Neki bi nazor da dokazu krivicu Nasera. Covjek nije kriv, dzaba se trudite.

ne kontam koji im je cilj dal da nas izjednace ne bil "oprali" svoje zlocine i genocid

cilj je da se genocid u srebrenici to ne bude tj. da se pokaže kao osvetnički pohod srpskih snaga koji je rezultirao velikim zločinima i masakrom

muha_sa wrote:

Point. wrote:Neki bi nazor da dokazu krivicu Nasera. Covjek nije kriv, dzaba se trudite.

ne kontam koji im je cilj dal da nas izjednace ne bil "oprali" svoje zlocine i genocid

CIlj nije da operu svoje zlocine,oni nemaju stida i srama,kod njih je samo ideologija "krvi i teritorije"..cilj je da se Srebrenica pokaze kao istovremeno mjesto stradanja i jednih i drugih,cime se kasnije olakasava mogucnost da ta ista Srebrenica postane dio srpske drzave koju ce velikosrbi pripojiti srbiji...ovako sa Srebrenicom kao sinonimom genocida kojeg su pocinili srpska vojska i policija,i jos sa rezolucijim u UN,nema sanse da se pravno ikad Srebrenica nadje van granica BIH..Srebrenica jednostavno je najtezi teg oko noge ideje za podjelom BIH...to njih boli,zato i pjene ,a da im je zao 8000 ljudi u Srebrenici,jest vjerovatno jer bi volili da je 16 000...

muha_sa wrote:

Point. wrote:Neki bi nazor da dokazu krivicu Nasera. Covjek nije kriv, dzaba se trudite.

ne kontam koji im je cilj dal da nas izjednace ne bil "oprali" svoje zlocine i genocid

Međunarodni sud pravde (ICJ) u Den Haagu je u veljači 2007. odbacio tužbu BiH te velikom većinom glasova sudaca presudio da Srbija nije kriva za sudjelovanje, suučesništvo ili pomaganje u genocidu u Bosni i Hercegovini

razonoda wrote: Međunarodni sud pravde (ICJ) u Den Haagu je u veljači 2007. odbacio tužbu BiH te velikom većinom glasova sudaca presudio da Srbija nije kriva za sudjelovanje, suučesništvo ili pomaganje u genocidu u Bosni i Hercegovini

Innovation wrote:

razonoda wrote: Međunarodni sud pravde (ICJ) u Den Haagu je u veljači 2007. odbacio tužbu BiH te velikom većinom glasova sudaca presudio da Srbija nije kriva za sudjelovanje, suučesništvo ili pomaganje u genocidu u Bosni i Hercegovini

Slazem se sa Tobom ... ali ko slusa nase misljenje.

Sto kazu--kad bude crno na bijelo, onda sa tim papirom mozemo mahati.

razonoda wrote:Slazem se sa Tobom ... ali ko slusa nase misljenje.

mirsek wrote:

Arteta wrote:Bosnje se vode dvostrukim arsinima.
Ono da je svako kriv samo ako se dokaze da je kriv vazi samo za Orica, ali kada svrate recimo na temu Izraela onda to ne vazi, Izrael im je pun zlocinaca.

Procitaj/potrazi koliko je dosad rezolucija UN izglasano protiv te zlocinacke drzave
i njenih zlocina.

Svaka tužba protiv bilo koga iz komandnog kadra Armije BiH bio on zaista kriv ili ne od strane Srbije je politički motivisana a takvo suđenje u Srbiji je za nas nedopustivo. Orić je rekao da hoće da mu se sudi ali SAMO NE u Srbiji. I tako treba da bude. Zamisli ti situaciji da nacisti u jagnjecoj koži sude nacistima ? Je li to tebi normalno ? Meni nije.

Izrael jest pun zločinaca, pa desetljećima ubijaju Palestince, pogledaj samo kako su depopularizirali tu naciju i bit će ti sve jasno.

razonoda wrote:

Innovation wrote:

razonoda wrote: Međunarodni sud pravde (ICJ) u Den Haagu je u veljači 2007. odbacio tužbu BiH te velikom većinom glasova sudaca presudio da Srbija nije kriva za sudjelovanje, suučesništvo ili pomaganje u genocidu u Bosni i Hercegovini

Slazem se sa Tobom ... ali ko slusa nase misljenje.

Sto kazu--kad bude crno na bijelo, onda sa tim papirom mozemo mahati.

Ne da ima crno na bijelo...vec ima CRNO na BIJELO, ali "branioci" bosanjka i BiH i "predstavnici" zrtava, i razne bosnjacke !patriJote" se nece da handre sa time: pogledajte sta kaze "Geoffrey Nice", doslovo i nedvojbeno covjek govori da su pronadjeni "NOVI" dokumenti koji potrvbdjuju agresiju i da je bilo moguce traziti reviziju ukoliko se otkriju novi dokazi...zemljo otvori se!!

http://balkans.aljazeera.net/video/reci ... ffrey-nice

General War wrote:ali "branioci" bosanjka i BiH i "predstavnici" zrtava, i razne bosnjacke !patriJote" se nece da handre sa time:

Ovo nije tacno.

General War wrote: pronadjeni "NOVI" dokumenti koji potrvbdjuju agresiju

Imali su oni i ranije sve dokumente i dokaze, ali.......... .

Kaže da ima novih dokaza, ali nema volje da Bosna i Hercegovina ponovo tuži Srbiju pred međunarodnim sudovima.

Za razliku od --agresora-- koji ima volju , vremena , izgleda i --znanje-- ......

Innovation wrote:

General War wrote:ali "branioci" bosanjka i BiH i "predstavnici" zrtava, i razne bosnjacke !patriJote" se nece da handre sa time:

Ovo nije tacno.

General War wrote: pronadjeni "NOVI" dokumenti koji potrvbdjuju agresiju

Imali su oni i ranije sve dokumente i dokaze, ali.......... .

....Sta nije tacno?
...novi, mislim nakon presude Haga da je Srbija samo malo kakila, ali nista strasno.

razonoda wrote:Kaže da ima novih dokaza, ali nema volje da Bosna i Hercegovina ponovo tuži Srbiju pred međunarodnim sudovima.

Za razliku od --agresora-- koji ima volju , vremena , izgleda i --znanje-- ......

Treba "branioce" otjerat u lijepu pickum materinu i sudit im za saucesnistvo.

Izetbegović za života nije bio optužen za ratne zločine zbog svoje uloge tijekom rata u Bosni i Hercegovini. Nakon njegove smrti, ICTY je obznanio da je bio pod istragom za ratne zločine, ali je istraga obustavljenja nakon njegove smrti.[3]

Narod ne zna sta se desava iza zavjesa.

Jos Jurisica da iscupamo iz agresorskih kandzi pa da MOZDA budemo mirni.

razonoda wrote:

muha_sa wrote:

Point. wrote:Neki bi nazor da dokazu krivicu Nasera. Covjek nije kriv, dzaba se trudite.

ne kontam koji im je cilj dal da nas izjednace ne bil "oprali" svoje zlocine i genocid

Međunarodni sud pravde (ICJ) u Den Haagu je u veljači 2007. odbacio tužbu BiH te velikom većinom glasova sudaca presudio da Srbija nije kriva za sudjelovanje, suučesništvo ili pomaganje u genocidu u Bosni i Hercegovini

Ali JESTE oglasena krivom zbog propustanja da sprijeci genocid i za nesaradnju sa sudom u pogledu kaznjavanja pocinilaca genocida:

JudgmentEdit

The ICJ held that the Srebrenica massacre was a genocide. It stated the following:

The Court concludes that the acts committed at Srebrenica falling within Article II (a) and (b) of the Convention were committed with the specific intent to destroy in part the group of the Muslims of Bosnia and Herzegovina as such; and accordingly that these were acts of genocide, committed by members of the VRS in and around Srebrenica from about 13 July 1995.[1]

The Court found - although not unanimously - that Serbia was neither directly responsible for the Srebrenica genocide, nor that it was complicit in it, but it did rule that Serbia had committed a breach of the Genocide Convention by failing to prevent the genocide from occurring and for not cooperating with the ICTY in punishing the perpetrators of the genocide, in particular General Ratko Mladić, and for violating its obligation to comply with the provisional measures ordered by the Court.[2][3] The then Vice-President of the Court, Awn Shawkat Al-Khasawneh, dissented on the grounds that "Serbia’s involvement, as a principal actor or accomplice, in the genocide that took place in Srebrenica is supported by massive and compelling evidence".[4]

The Court found:

(1) by ten votes to five,
Rejects the objections contained in the final submissions made by the Respondent [Serbia] to the effect that the Court has no jurisdiction; ...
(2) by thirteen votes to two,
Finds that Serbia has not committed genocide, through its organs or persons whose acts engage its responsibility under customary international law, in violation of its obligations under the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide;
(3) by thirteen votes to two,
Finds that Serbia has not conspired to commit genocide, nor incited the commission of genocide, in violation of its obligations under the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide;
(4) by eleven votes to four,
Finds that Serbia has not been complicit in genocide, in violation of its obligations under the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide;
(5) by twelve votes to three,
Finds that Serbia has violated the obligation to prevent genocide, under the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, in respect of the genocide that occurred in Srebrenica in July 1995;
(6) by fourteen votes to one,
Finds that Serbia has violated its obligations under the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide by having failed to transfer Ratko Mladić, indicted for genocide and complicity in genocide, for trial by the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, and thus having failed fully to co-operate with that Tribunal;
(7) by thirteen votes to two,
Finds that Serbia has violated its obligation to comply with the provisional measures ordered by the Court on April 8 and September 13, 1993 in this case, inasmuch as it failed to take all measures within its power to prevent genocide in Srebrenica in July 1995;
(8) by fourteen votes to one,
Decides that Serbia shall immediately take effective steps to ensure full compliance with its obligation under the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide to punish acts of genocide as defined by Article II of the Convention, or any of the other acts proscribed by Article III of the Convention, and to transfer individuals accused of genocide or any of those other acts for trial by the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia, and to co-operate fully with that Tribunal;
(9) by thirteen votes to two,
Finds that, as regards the breaches by Serbia of the obligations referred to in subparagraphs (5) and (7) above, the Court's findings in those paragraphs constitute appropriate satisfaction, and that the case is not one in which an order for payment of compensation, or, in respect of the violation referred to in subparagraph (5), a direction to provide assurances and guarantees of non-repetition, would be appropriate.
— ICJ press release[5]

razonoda wrote:Izetbegović za života nije bio optužen za ratne zločine zbog svoje uloge tijekom rata u Bosni i Hercegovini. Nakon njegove smrti, ICTY je obznanio da je bio pod istragom za ratne zločine, ali je istraga obustavljenja nakon njegove smrti.[3]

Narod ne zna sta se desava iza zavjesa.

Hajde molim te, odgrni malo zavjesu , pa postavi to sto tvrdis.
Voljela bih to procitati.

General War wrote:
ali "branioci" bosanjka i BiH i "predstavnici" zrtava, i razne bosnjacke !patriJote" se nece da handre sa time:

Ovo nije tacno.

razonoda wrote:

muha_sa wrote:

Point. wrote:Neki bi nazor da dokazu krivicu Nasera. Covjek nije kriv, dzaba se trudite.

ne kontam koji im je cilj dal da nas izjednace ne bil "oprali" svoje zlocine i genocid

Međunarodni sud pravde (ICJ) u Den Haagu je u veljači 2007. odbacio tužbu BiH te velikom većinom glasova sudaca presudio da Srbija nije kriva za sudjelovanje, suučesništvo ili pomaganje u genocidu u Bosni i Hercegovini

Ogromna greška..sud je presudio da je bivša Srbija KRIVA za ne spriječavanje zločina genocida

Innovation wrote:

razonoda wrote:Izetbegović za života nije bio optužen za ratne zločine zbog svoje uloge tijekom rata u Bosni i Hercegovini. Nakon njegove smrti, ICTY je obznanio da je bio pod istragom za ratne zločine, ali je istraga obustavljenja nakon njegove smrti.[3]

Narod ne zna sta se desava iza zavjesa.

Hajde molim te, odgrni malo zavjesu , pa postavi to sto tvrdis.
Voljela bih to procitati.

Zavjesa je od ''muslina'' ko ima volje , ce je -odgrnit-- ko nema samo ce --nastaviti-- svojim putem.