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#126 Re: Čekić pada i drobi ljevicu i feminizam

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R A V E N wrote:Problem s ovim lijevim elementima je da se zalažu za tzv. "socijalnu pravdu", a ponašaju se kao kapitalisti, što ja vidim iz prve ruke u Tuzli.
Primjeri, imena, konkretno djelovanje...?
Ili je to samo najnovija vijest, koliko da se ostane na temi do sljedeceg gledanja Fox News?
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#127 Re: Čekić pada i drobi ljevicu i feminizam

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Moj argument da se ljevičari i "zli kapitalisti" ponašaju isto je valjan. U tu svrhu ja ću prizvati knjigu njemačkog konzervativnog filozofa Arnold-a Gehlen-a Man, His Nature and Place In the World, koja je u nas prevedena valjda tamo nekih 1960-ih kao Čovjek, Njegova Priroda i Mjesto u Kosmosu:

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#128 Re: Čekić pada i drobi ljevicu i feminizam

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R A V E N wrote:Problem s ovim lijevim elementima je da se zalažu za tzv. "socijalnu pravdu", a ponašaju se kao kapitalisti, što ja vidim iz prve ruke u Tuzli.
Ugledali se na "poslanika" Tita pa ga imitiraju. Titomani.
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#129 Re: Čekić pada i drobi ljevicu i feminizam

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R A V E N wrote:Moj argument da se ljevičari i "zli kapitalisti" ponašaju isto je valjan. U tu svrhu ja ću prizvati knjigu njemačkog konzervativnog filozofa Arnold-a Gehlen-a Man, His Nature and Place In the World, koja je u nas prevedena valjda tamo nekih 1960-ih kao Čovjek, Njegova Priroda i Mjesto u Kosmosu:

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I moj argument da ti valjas gluposti je valjan. U tu svrhu cu prizvati postove vise desetina forumasa.
Cuj to, pozove se na djelo jednog od bog-te-pito-koliko filozofa i zakljuci da mu je argument valjan.
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#130 Re: Čekić pada i drobi ljevicu i feminizam

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Mohamad Sissoko wrote:
R A V E N wrote:Problem s ovim lijevim elementima je da se zalažu za tzv. "socijalnu pravdu", a ponašaju se kao kapitalisti, što ja vidim iz prve ruke u Tuzli.
Ugledali se na "poslanika" Tita pa ga imitiraju. Titomani.
Antikristi... u paklu ce goreti. :D

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#131 Re: Čekić pada i drobi ljevicu i feminizam

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U vezi sa ovim bih ovdje dodao i kritiku bosanskih književnika. Zašto u vezi za ovim? Pa većina njih su lijevo politički orjentisani. Ali i ako zanemarim i to, to su jako loši književnici. Vitomir Lukić, Mile Stojić, Muharem Bazdulj, Semezdin Mehmedinović...
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#132 Re: Čekić pada i drobi ljevicu i feminizam

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A tebe cini kvalifikovanim da ocjenjujes knjizevnost, ŠTA ONO ???
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#133 Re: Čekić pada i drobi ljevicu i feminizam

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drndalo wrote:A tebe cini kvalifikovanim da ocjenjujes knjizevnost, ŠTA ONO ???
Pa ima covjek tezgu na tuzlanskoj pijaci :wink:
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#134 Re: Čekić pada i drobi ljevicu i feminizam

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seln wrote: Dakle, ono sto ljevica pokusava je
1. Zauzdavanje raspojasanog trzista, koje za mjeru uzima samo profit, gazeci preko leseva
2. Obezbjedjenje minimuma potrebnog za zivot dostojan covjeka
Hajmo ozbiljno i zrelo da govorimo:

kakav je detaljan i konkretan plan ljevice da se takvo nešto ostvari?
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#135 Re: Čekić pada i drobi ljevicu i feminizam

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R A V E N wrote:
seln wrote: Dakle, ono sto ljevica pokusava je
1. Zauzdavanje raspojasanog trzista, koje za mjeru uzima samo profit, gazeci preko leseva
2. Obezbjedjenje minimuma potrebnog za zivot dostojan covjeka
Hajmo ozbiljno i zrelo da govorimo:

kakav je detaljan i konkretan plan ljevice da se takvo nešto ostvari?
Ti ozbiljno i zrelo da govoris? :lol:
Za to su potrebne dvije stvari: ozbiljnost i zrelost. I nesto malo znanja nije na odmet.
Ako te interesuje konkretan plan, bujrum, procitaj malo istoriju radnicke borbe.
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#136 Re: Čekić pada i drobi ljevicu i feminizam

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Znam da su sva ljevičarska društva kolabirala, a ono par što ih je preostalo, u prosjeku ne vrijede ništa u političko-ekonomskom smislu.

Da su valjala, ne bi kolabirala.
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#137 Re: Čekić pada i drobi ljevicu i feminizam

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R A V E N wrote:Znam da su sva ljevičarska društva kolabirala, a ono par što ih je preostalo, u prosjeku ne vrijede ništa u političko-ekonomskom smislu.

Da su valjala, ne bi kolabirala.
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#138 Re: Čekić pada i drobi ljevicu i feminizam

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Jasta, i Skandinavija grca i pati, Francuska isto, Benelux crkava... Kanada na aparatima, Australija takodjer... A sve zbog toga sto se i radnici nesto vise pitaju nego u Bangladeshu..
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#139 Re: Čekić pada i drobi ljevicu i feminizam

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https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/libe ... sm/#RigLib

Nego, desila se jedna dobra stvar: zakoni kapitalizma su prisilili ljevičarski magazin Dane da sa sedmičnog pređu na mjesečno izlaženje. To znači da će manje širiti zablude o tome kako bi društvo trebalo izgledati, a time obmanjivati i sebe. Na žalost, iz istog razloga liberalna Slobodna Bosna je skroz napustila štampani oblik. Valjda će i ovi.

Da li će ljevičari iz svojih prihoda odvojiti novac da održe sedmično izlaženje Dana? Ako hoće, zašto? Ako neće, zašto? (Cinizam namjeran.)

Da se razumijemo, ja njih ne mrzim niti mi je nešto posebno drago, ali oni idejama koje šire škode sebi, svima nama i meni, jer sam dio društva.
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#140 Re: Čekić pada i drobi ljevicu i feminizam

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Konstantno parafraziram svoju omiljenu muzičku grupu Funeral jer izgleda imaju poglede bliske desno-libetarijanskim i odlično opisuju ovu situaciju.

Kad vidim onaj porezni obrazac, pomislim kako još jednom moram ispiti punu šolju bljuvotine i uvrede sa smiješkom za "moju voljenu domovinu".

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#141 Re: Čekić pada i drobi ljevicu i feminizam

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R A V E N wrote:
Kad vidim onaj porezni obrazac, pomislim kako još jednom moram ispiti punu šolju bljuvotine i uvrede sa smiješkom za "moju voljenu domovinu".
Hm, stvarno bi se trebao otici pregledati, jer mi se cini da ni sam ne kontas sta volis i sta zelis... Pa si onda konstantno neshvacen... I Hitler je bio neshvacen svojevremeno... I vidi kako je daleko bio dogurao...
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#142 Re: Čekić pada i drobi ljevicu i feminizam

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nadam se da nisam fulio o cemu se radi jer mi ne pada na pamet da otvaram video, ali sudeci po rezonu otvaraca teme nisam.

zar ima i kod nas ovih pacijenata junfera sto smatraju da su zene sotone jer nece da im se bace pod noge sa onom stvari na izvolte, pa po tome kreiraju kompletne kvazi-ideologije o uredjenu drustva :lol:

pa libertarijanshdaxstvo, pa mtgow, pa anarho-kapitalizam :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

al cuj ti naslova cekic pada i drobi ljevicu i feminizam :lol: kako teatralno da svrsis od scene :lol: kakav cekic :lol: zasto feminizam izdvojen iz ljevice :lol:

hvala ti, bas se nasmijah fino da se ova baklava slegne :lol:
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#143 Re: Čekić pada i drobi ljevicu i feminizam

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R A V E N wrote:Znam da su sva ljevičarska društva kolabirala, a ono par što ih je preostalo, u prosjeku ne vrijede ništa u političko-ekonomskom smislu.

Da su valjala, ne bi kolabirala.
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#144 Re: Čekić pada i drobi ljevicu i feminizam

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Published Oct. 19, 2016

The greatest moral claim of the political left is that they are for the masses in general and the poor in particular. That is also their greatest fraud. It even fools many leftists themselves.

One of the most recent efforts of the left is the spread of laws and policies that forbid employers from asking job applicants whether they have been arrested or imprisoned. This is said to be to help ex-cons get a job after they have served their time, and ex-cons are often either poor or black, or both.

First of all, many of the left's policies to help blacks are disproportionately aimed at helping those blacks who have done the wrong thing — and whose victims are disproportionately those blacks who have been trying to do the right thing. In the case of this ban on asking job applicants whether they have criminal backgrounds, the only criterion seems to be whether it sounds good or makes the left feel good about themselves.

Hard evidence as to what klix consequences to expect beforehand, or hard evidence as to its klix consequences afterwards, seems to have had very little role in this political crusade.

An empirical study some years ago examined the hiring practices of companies that did a background check on all the employees they hired. It found that such companies hired more blacks than companies which did not follow that unusual practice.

Why? This goes back to decision-making by human beings in general, with many kinds of decisions in general. Since we seldom have all the facts, we are often forced to rely on generalizing when making our decisions.

Many employers, aware of higher rates of imprisonment among blacks, are less likely to hire blacks whose individual backgrounds are unknown to them. But those particular employers who investigate everyone's background before hiring them do not have to rely on such generalizations.

The fact that these latter kinds of employers hired more blacks suggests that racial animosity is not the key factor, since blacks are still blacks, whether they have a criminal past or not. But the political left is so heavily invested in blaming racism that mere facts are unlikely to change their minds.

Just as those on the left were not moved by hard evidence before they promoted laws and policies that forbad employers to ask about job applicants' criminal records, so they have remained unmoved by more recent studies showing that the hiring of blacks has been reduced in the wake of such laws and policies.

Moreover, the left is so invested in the idea that they are helping the disadvantaged that they seldom bother to check the klix consequences of what they are doing, whether that is something as specific as banning questions about criminal behavior or something as general as promoting the welfare state.


In the vision of the left, the welfare state is supposed to be a step forward, in the direction of "social justice." Tons of painful evidence, from both sides of the Atlantic Ocean, that the welfare state has in fact been a step backward toward barbarism — among low-income whites in England and ghetto blacks in the United States — does not make a dent in the beliefs of the left.

The left's infatuation with minimum wage laws has likewise been impervious to factual evidence that the spread and escalation of minimum wages have been followed by far higher rates of unemployment among young blacks, to levels some multiple of what they were before — and to a racial gap in unemployment among the young that is likewise some multiple of what it was before.

Those who doubt this need only turn to the data on page 42 of "Race and Economics" by Walter Williams, or to the diagram on page 98 of "The Unheavenly City," written by Edward Banfield back in 1968. The facts have been available for a long time.

Surely the intelligentsia of the left have access to empirical evidence and the wit to understand such evidence. But the real question is whether they have the stomach to face the prospect that their crusades have hurt the very people they claim to be helping.

Examining hard evidence would mean gambling a whole vision of the world — and of their own role in that world — on a single throw of the dice, which is what looking at hard evidence amounts to. The path of least resistance is to continue going through life feeling good about themselves, while leaving havoc in their wake.

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Venezuela, and the real reason why ‘real’ socialism has never been tried

KRISTIAN NIEMIETZ
19 JUNE 2017

“[Venezuela] is deep in crisis. It has the world’s highest inflation rate—720 percent and rising. Its currency has plummeted to less than 1 percent of its official value, making it hard to import food. Hunger is endemic. Buying food at subsidised shops where price controls operate involves queuing for four hours, only on certain days, and sometimes still getting nothing. Medicines and sanitary products are scarce. Chronic power blackouts have seen factories close and public sector workers move to a two-day week. Growing numbers are emigrating, or depend on products sent by relatives abroad.”

This description of Venezuela’s ongoing economic meltdown is not from a Murdoch- or a Rothschild-owned source. It is from the Socialist Worker newspaper. If this is the most positive spin they can put on it, it means that the situation is bad indeed. Really really bad.

Before it all gets chucked down the memory hole, let’s take a moment to remember that until just a few years ago, praising Venezuela’s experiment with socialism was extremely fashionable in the UK and other Western countries. This had begun in the mid-2000s, when Venezuela became a popular destination for political pilgrimages. As the Guardian reported at the time:

“Meet the revolutionary tourists, a wave of backpackers, artists, academics and politicians on a mission to discover if President Hugo Chávez really is forging a radical alternative to neoliberalism and capitalism. From a trickle a few years ago there are now thousands […] exploring a leftwing mecca which promises to build […] “21st century socialism”.”

One of those revolutionary tourists was Noam Chomsky, who, in 2009, summarised his impressions:

“[W]hat’s so exciting about at last visiting Venezuela is that I can see how a better world is being created […] The transformations that Venezuela is making toward the creation of another socio-economic model could have a global impact”.

Three years later, Owen Jones went on a pilgrimage to Caracas as well, and reported:

“Venezuela is an inspiration to the world, it really does show that there is an alternative. I met so many people who told me how their lives had changed since the election of President Chávez”.

In the Independent, Jones wrote:

“Chávez […] is the first Venezuelan president to care about the poor. […] Under Chávez, the poor have become a political power that cannot be ignored […] [H]e has proved it is possible to lead a popular, progressive government that breaks with neo-liberal dogma.”

Seumas Milne also went to on a pilgrimage around the same time, and came back convinced that he had seen the future:

“Venezuela’s […] success in bringing resources under public control offer lessons to anyone interested in […] new forms of socialist politics in the rest of the world. […] Venezuela and its Latin American allies have demonstrated that it’s no longer necessary to accept a failed economic model, as many social democrats in Europe still do.”

After Chávez’s re-election in October 2012, the General Secretary of Unite the Union, Len McCluskey, said:

“We welcome this result which is a clear endorsement of Hugo Chávez’s progressive social policies. Venezuela shows that governments that put the needs of ordinary working people first can expect strong support at the ballot box. […] Europe might want to learn the obvious lessons from Venezuela”.

Andy Slaughter, the MP for Hammersmith, added:

“This is a great result for the people of Venezuela, progressive politics, and the democratic process”.

In the weeks and months following Chávez’s death in 2013, there was no shortage of voices which praised his political legacy. The General Secretary of the Communication Workers Union (CWU), Bill Hayes, said:

“Hugo Chávez helped to inspire a new socialism for the 21st century and provided the spark that lit up the whole South American continent”.

The General Secretary of UNISON, Dave Prentis, believed that:

“Hugo Chávez will be remembered for his continuous struggle to raise up the poor, his commitment to social justice and his dedication to fairness and equality”.

The General Secretary of the Trade Union Congress (TUC), Frances O’Grady, added:

“Hugo Chávez saw the implementation of an impressive and highly progressive programme, lifting millions out of poverty”.

Jon Tricket, the MP for Hemsworth, called Chávez

“A titan of a man. Progressive, democratic, garrulous. In turbulent times he made change happen for the poorest”.

Owen Jones described the legacy of Chavismo in the following terms:

“Chávez became an icon for Venezuela’s long-suffering poor. […] [H]is policies transformed the lives of millions of previously ignored Venezuelans. […] He will be mourned by millions of Venezuelans – and understandably so.”

At a pro-Chavez rally in London, Jeremy Corbyn said:

“Chavez […] showed us that there is a different, and a better way of doing things. It’s called socialism”.

In an article on his website (now deleted), Corbyn wrote:

“Venezuela is seriously conquering poverty by emphatically rejecting […] Neo Liberal policies […]

As with Cuba the threat to the USA by Venezuela is not military […] It is far more insidious, a threat by example of what social justice can achieve.”

At a pro-Venezuela event in the UK, Diane Abbott opined:

“[Chavez] showed the region that it was possible to do things differently […] I feel particularly passionate about defending the revolution of Venezuela and the Chavez legacy.”

This was probably the zenith of Venezuela-mania among Western commentators. From then on, the country’s economic crisis became more acute, and the shortages of basic essentials became more severe. Venezuela was now regularly shaken by protests which often turned violent. Western Chavistas became more defensive, concentrating less on the revolution’s supposed achievements, and more on the alleged motives of its opponents at home and abroad. Owen Jones wrote a (now deleted) article for the Independent entitled “Socialism’s Critics Look at Venezuela and Say, ‘We Told You So’. But They Are Wrong”, in which he claimed that “[t]hose who relish using Venezuela’s troubles for political point-scoring have no interest in the truth”.

Seumas Milne wrote an article in which he claimed that Venezuelans who protest against shortages of food and medicines are either CIA-funded foreign spies and saboteurs, and/or members of the elites trying to restore their former privileges:

“US-linked opposition leaders […] launched a campaign to oust Maduro […] [The] protests have all the hallmarks of an anti-democratic rebellion, shot through with class privilege and racism. […] It’s hardly surprising in the circumstances that Maduro regards what’s been going on as Ukraine-style US-backed destabilisation […] Evidence for the US subversion of Venezuela […] is voluminous.”

If this sounds slightly paranoid, bear in mind that Seumas Milne also believes that the fall of the Berlin Wall was not the result of a popular uprising, but of a counterrevolution orchestrated from above, namely by “a group of people in power who saw that they stood to benefit from the restoration of capitalism”.

When the situation in Venezuela got even worse, the Western left fell silent on Venezuela. It is as if the country had just dropped off the map. It is clear what the next step will be: We will soon hear post-hoc rationalisations explaining why Venezuela was never ‘really’ socialist, and why it is a silly straw man to hold the failure of that experiment against the socialist left. This process has already begun. Noam Chomsky now says:

“I never described Chavez’s state capitalist government as ‘socialist’ […] It was quite remote from socialism. Private capitalism remained […] Capitalists were free to undermine the economy in all sorts of ways, like massive export of capital.”

This has happened many times before. In the 1930s, hundreds of Western intellectuals flocked to Stalin’s Soviet Union, and came back praising it to the skies. A few years later, they decided that Soviet socialism was not ‘real’ socialism, and crucially, that it had never been socialist in the first place. Then the same thing happened all over again in Cuba, in Mao’s China, in Enver Hoxha’s Albania, and many other places.

Socialists like to claim that ‘real’ socialism has never been tried. There is a very simple reason for that: whenever a socialist experiment fails (as they invariably do), socialists, including those who have once endorsed the experiment in question, retroactively declare it ‘unreal’.
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R A V E N wrote:https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/libe ... sm/#RigLib

Nego, desila se jedna dobra stvar: zakoni kapitalizma su prisilili ljevičarski magazin Dane da sa sedmičnog pređu na mjesečno izlaženje. To znači da će manje širiti zablude o tome kako bi društvo trebalo izgledati, a time obmanjivati i sebe. Na žalost, iz istog razloga liberalna Slobodna Bosna je skroz napustila štampani oblik. Valjda će i ovi.

Da li će ljevičari iz svojih prihoda odvojiti novac da održe sedmično izlaženje Dana? Ako hoće, zašto? Ako neće, zašto? (Cinizam namjeran.)

Da se razumijemo, ja njih ne mrzim niti mi je nešto posebno drago, ali oni idejama koje šire škode sebi, svima nama i meni, jer sam dio društva.
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#147 Re: Čekić pada i drobi ljevicu i feminizam

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R A V E N wrote:Konstantno parafraziram svoju omiljenu muzičku grupu Funeral ]
Jesi li siguran da ti je to omiljena grupa, a ne, stajaznam, mozak? :wink:
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#148 Re: Čekić pada i drobi ljevicu i feminizam

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Mohamad Sissoko wrote:Insight
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Thomas Sowell
By Thomas Sowell
Published Oct. 19, 2016

Kad nemas sta pametno da kazes, citiraj nekoga ko misli slicno kao ti.
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#149 Re: Čekić pada i drobi ljevicu i feminizam

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Šta je ovdje neophodno je pragmatičko i efektivno djelovanje u realnom svijetu. Pri tome ne mislim na stvari kao što su ići protestvovati pred parlament zbog toga jer ne želimo da nas država steže porezima koje će preusmjeravati na račun feministkinja da bi se one uz relativno malo truda mogle baviti stvarima koje su im zabavne dok svoje postojanje legitimiziraju kroz žene koje su stvarno bile žrtve nasilja - dakle eksploatiraju i njih.

Cryptocurrencies bi tu možda mogle pomoći, kao i mnogo drugih načina djelovanja kojima bi se uspostavila paralelna slobodna ekonomija, a ne ova "slobodna".
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