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jok to on dzaba odlucio :D Frajer skontao u cijem taboru ima vece sanse :D lafo ga dirnuo govor :D mi amigo :D:D
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A sto ga zavali Obami onaj njegov crkveni prijatelj,ne moze mu ni Richardson pomoci.
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srce_ruke_lopata wrote:A sto ga zavali Obami onaj njegov crkveni prijatelj,ne moze mu ni Richardson pomoci.
vidi, vidi zastave... :roll:
jel to gradjanski u Ameriki josh nije prosho... :D
il to i vi hocete da se ocjepite... :oops:
nemere se vishe durat...na ledjima nosit ostale drzave... :x

A i mogli bi...samostalni bi bili ~15-ta ekonomija na svijetu...sto ti je NAFTA... :oops:
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jasta ce.....crkli bi sami :D Pobili bi se u sekundi :D
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pitt wrote:jasta ce.....crkli bi sami :D Pobili bi se u sekundi :D
a jok...nece oni ici sami...oni ce pripojiti uzase i south bible belt :D ...to je oduvijek bilo njihovo.. :oops:
a ovi nashi tamo nek namah pocnu pripremat za otvaranje kompanija odjece za proizvodnju KKK odora...poso ima da cvjeta... :oops:
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walkabout wrote:
srce_ruke_lopata wrote:A sto ga zavali Obami onaj njegov crkveni prijatelj,ne moze mu ni Richardson pomoci.
vidi, vidi zastave... :roll:
jel to gradjanski u Ameriki josh nije prosho... :D
il to i vi hocete da se ocjepite... :oops:
nemere se vishe durat...na ledjima nosit ostale drzave... :x

A i mogli bi...samostalni bi bili ~15-ta ekonomija na svijetu...sto ti je NAFTA... :oops:

hehe, boli nas chundara. :D mi mozemo sutra postat samostalni.

Crna lopato, pa dzechesh tu zastavu okacit. Zna se koja je nasa.

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ja sam spremam i zivot dati za kalifat :D:D

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o...evo i Pitt poco crtat karte...da nije bilo na salaveti :D ...od bigmeka :D ...u poluvremenu utakmice :D ...
nesluti nadobro... :oops:
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we should prevail..... :D :D :D :D
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Bžežinski: Jedino Obama razumije promjene

Bivši savjetnik za nacionalnu bezbjednost u administraciji Džimija Kartera, Zbignjev Bžežinski, podržao je Obamu za predsjednika: "Između Mekejna i Hilari Klinton jedino Obama pokazuje da razumije promjene koje dolaze. Razumjeti nešto unaprijed, a ne tek kad se dogodi, osobina je lidera. Svoje liderstvo Obama je pokazao kada nije podržao rat u Iraku", rekao je on.

Hilarine navode da ima veliko međunarodno iskustvo jer je putovala u 80 zemalja, Bžežinski je ironično prokomentirao: "Moj travel agent je putovao u 150 zemalja, pa ga to ne čini kvalifikovanim za međunarodnu politiku."
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VIDEO: "Tuzlanska afera" Hillary Clinton - Kako je uhvaćena u laži
23.03.2008. 22:59

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U izbornoj kampanji se laže - ali Hillary Clinton je otišla još dalje : počela je fantazirati, što bi je moglo skupo stajati. Washington post je "provalio" njeno korištenje posjete BiH u kampanji te je praktično ismijao. Već nekoliko puta ona u svojim nastupima koristi motiv posjete Tuzli kao prva dama Amerike, navodeći kako je u Tuzlu sitgla "živa" zahvaljujući umijeću pilota i spektakularnim manevrima letačkog izbjegavanja, sletjevši pod paljbom snajpera, bez dostojne ceremonije za prvu damu. Tvrdi da su morali bukvalno istrčavati iz helikoptera, pognuto izlazeći u strahu od snajpetra...



uhhh sto joj zavalise,kontru :D

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atlanta je black capital of america, sa najvecim brojem, a i procentom od ukupnog sanovnista afluentnih crnaca medju svim gradovima u usa, ali i ovdje medju crncima izgleda spada entuzijazam za obamu u zadnjih par sedmica.
dvije crnkinje koje predaju u istoj skoli kao i ja jutros kazu da su primjetili "shift in the community" za ove uskrsnje praznike jer su bili na velikim familijarnim skupovima i slazu se da je veliki broj crnaca presao na stranu hillary otkako su objavili govore pastora jeremije.
znaci, bit ce gusto.
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hik--meta wrote:atlanta je black capital of america, sa najvecim brojem, a i procentom od ukupnog sanovnista afluentnih crnaca medju svim gradovima u usa, ali i ovdje medju crncima izgleda spada entuzijazam za obamu u zadnjih par sedmica.
dvije crnkinje koje predaju u istoj skoli kao i ja jutros kazu da su primjetili "shift in the community" za ove uskrsnje praznike jer su bili na velikim familijarnim skupovima i slazu se da je veliki broj crnaca presao na stranu hillary otkako su objavili govore pastora jeremije.
znaci, bit ce gusto.
Je li ti shvatas da hillary prakticno ne moze postati kandidat? Je li iko ko nju podrzava to shvata? Ako to shvatis onda ces skontati koliko je stetno za Demokrate raditi ovo sto ona radi.
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jeza u ledja wrote:
hik--meta wrote:atlanta je black capital of america, sa najvecim brojem, a i procentom od ukupnog sanovnista afluentnih crnaca medju svim gradovima u usa, ali i ovdje medju crncima izgleda spada entuzijazam za obamu u zadnjih par sedmica.
dvije crnkinje koje predaju u istoj skoli kao i ja jutros kazu da su primjetili "shift in the community" za ove uskrsnje praznike jer su bili na velikim familijarnim skupovima i slazu se da je veliki broj crnaca presao na stranu hillary otkako su objavili govore pastora jeremije.
znaci, bit ce gusto.
Je li ti shvatas da hillary prakticno ne moze postati kandidat? Je li iko ko nju podrzava to shvata? Ako to shvatis onda ces skontati koliko je stetno za Demokrate raditi ovo sto ona radi.
moram priznati da najviše volim čitati ovu temu, nekako je najstrastvenija, sa najviše emocija................
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palermo wrote:
jeza u ledja wrote:
hik--meta wrote:atlanta je black capital of america, sa najvecim brojem, a i procentom od ukupnog sanovnista afluentnih crnaca medju svim gradovima u usa, ali i ovdje medju crncima izgleda spada entuzijazam za obamu u zadnjih par sedmica.
dvije crnkinje koje predaju u istoj skoli kao i ja jutros kazu da su primjetili "shift in the community" za ove uskrsnje praznike jer su bili na velikim familijarnim skupovima i slazu se da je veliki broj crnaca presao na stranu hillary otkako su objavili govore pastora jeremije.
znaci, bit ce gusto.
Je li ti shvatas da hillary prakticno ne moze postati kandidat? Je li iko ko nju podrzava to shvata? Ako to shvatis onda ces skontati koliko je stetno za Demokrate raditi ovo sto ona radi.
moram priznati da najviše volim čitati ovu temu, nekako je najstrastvenija, sa najviše emocija................
haj ne zajebaji :zjev:
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dobro kaze covjek :D hikmeta voli hilary ko gabo :D
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:roll:
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Hillary Clinton's election campaign said she "misspoke" last week when she said she had landed under sniper fire during a trip she took as first lady to Bosnia in March 1996. The Obama campaign suggested it was a deliberate exaggeration on Senator Clinton's part.

Senator Clinton often cites the goodwill trip she took with her daughter and several celebrities as a part of her foreign policy experience.

During a speech last Monday about Iraq, she said of the trip: "I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."

According to an Associated Press story at the time, Senator Clinton was placed under no extraordinary risks on that trip. And one of her companions on it, comedian Sinbad, told The Washington Post he has no recollection either of the threat or reality of gunfire.

When asked Monday about the New York senator's recent remarks on the trip, Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson pointed to Senator Clinton's previous written account in her book, Living History, in which she described a shortened welcoming ceremony at Tuzla Air Base, Bosnia-Herzegovina.

Senator Clinton wrote: "Due to reports of snipers in the hills around the airstrip, we were forced to cut short an event on the tarmac with local children, though we did have time to meet them and their teachers and to learn how hard they had worked during the war to continue classes in any safe spot they could find."

"That is what she wrote in her book," Mr Wolfson said. "That is what she has said many, many times and on one occasion she misspoke."

The written account in Senator Clinton's book contradicts the comments she made last Monday about the welcoming ceremony.

Just after her speech last week, she reaffirmed the account of running from the plane to the cars when she was asked about it by reporters at a news conference. She said was moved into the cockpit of the C-17 cargo plane as they were flying into Tuzla Air Base.

"Everyone else was told to sit on their bulletproof vests," Senator Clinton told reporters. "And we came in, in an evasive manoeuvre. There was no greeting ceremony, and we basically were told to run to our cars. Now, that is what happened."

A spokesman for rival Barack Obama's campaign questioned whether Senator Clinton misspoke, saying her comments came in what appeared to be prepared remarks for her speech on Iraq. The Obama campaign statement contained a link to a text of Senator Clinton's speech that is still posted on her campaign Web site including the account of running to the cars.

Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor said in a written statement that the Bosnia story "joins a growing list of instances in which Senator Clinton has exaggerated her role in foreign and domestic policymaking".

The Obama campaign statement also links to a CBS news video taken from her Bosnia trip and posted on YouTube, which shows Senator Clinton and her daughter, Chelsea, walking across the tarmac from a large cargo plane, smiling and waving, and stopping to shake hands with Bosnia's acting president and greet an 8-year-old girl.

"This is something that the Obama campaign wants to push cause they have nothing positive to say about their candidate," Mr Wolfson said yesterday in the conference call.

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hik--meta wrote:atlanta je black capital of america, sa najvecim brojem, a i procentom od ukupnog sanovnista afluentnih crnaca medju svim gradovima u usa, ali i ovdje medju crncima izgleda spada entuzijazam za obamu u zadnjih par sedmica.
dvije crnkinje koje predaju u istoj skoli kao i ja jutros kazu da su primjetili "shift in the community" za ove uskrsnje praznike jer su bili na velikim familijarnim skupovima i slazu se da je veliki broj crnaca presao na stranu hillary otkako su objavili govore pastora jeremije.
znaci, bit ce gusto.
Wright je, dugo i dobro , znan u crnackoj zajednici (posebno u njenom afluentnom i obrazovanom dijelu) i da sad odjednom njegove izjave predstavljaju neki odlucujuci faktor nema nikakvog smisla.
Na kakvu stranu su ti navodni glasaci presli? Da joj daju moralnu podrsku? Zar nije glasanje “u drzavu Djordju” zavrseno u februaru sa Husinom pobjedom od 60 i nesto posto? Jel’ to meni fali informacija o nekom buducem glasanju demokratske stranke u toj drzavi? O kakvim se izborima radi?
Hillary se treba maknut' i omoguciti demokratskoj stranci tj. Obami da se pozicionira za generalne izbore. Ovako onaj metuzalem samo sjedi i trlja ruke.
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
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pripremajte se...govori buduci prezident...

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Iraq exit could lead to genocide: McCain

IN A wide-ranging foreign policy speech, the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, John McCain, has promised a collaborative foreign policy that seeks the input of allies abroad, contrasting sharply with the go-it-alone approach of the Bush Administration.
Senator McCain refused to give ground on Iraq to his Democratic rivals, declaring the US's continued presence there was a "moral responsibility" and that a reckless withdrawal could lead to "genocide". Withdrawal would be an "unconscionable act of betrayal, a stain on our character as a great nation".
In his first major foreign policy statement, Senator McCain delivered an impassioned argument that achieving democracy in Iraq was a necessary part of a peaceful world.
"Those who argue that our goals in Iraq are unachievable are wrong, just as they were wrong a year ago when they declared the war already lost in Iraq," he said, without naming Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. "Those who claim we should withdraw from Iraq to fight al-Qaeda more effectively elsewhere are making a dangerous mistake."
But even as he defended President George Bush's war policy, he outlined a sharp critique of the Administration's dealings with foreign allies.
In a speech to the World Affairs Council in Los Angeles, Senator McCain called himself a "realistic idealist" and outlined a world view that mimicked some Bush Administration critics who say the first task of the next president must be to repair relations around the world. "Today we are not alone," he said. "Our great power does not mean we can do whatever we want whenever we want, nor should we assume we have all the wisdom and knowledge necessary to succeed."
The speech drew a quick response from Senator Obama's spokesman, Bill Burton, who lashed Senator McCain for vowing "to carry out four more years of George Bush's failed policies, including an open-ended war in Iraq that has cost us thousands of lives and billions of dollars while making us less safe".
Senator McCain renewed his call for a "global compact - a league of democracies" that would unite the world's free countries against tyranny, disease and environmental destruction. As he did in Europe last week, he downplayed cowboy diplomacy and stressed co-operation on global warming, torture and trade.
"We need to listen … to the views and respect the collective will of our democratic allies," he said. "When we believe international action is necessary, whether military, economic or diplomatic, we will try to persuade our friends that we are right. But we, in return, must be willing to be persuaded by them."
Mr Bush's foreign policy approach has moderated significantly in his second term, with greater outreach to European allies and a willingness to strike deals with countries such as North Korea. Senator McCain suggested he would embrace the controversial Bush policies on terrorism, Iraq and Afghanistan while extending Mr Bush's newfound willingness to meet allies halfway.
But Senator McCain said he would break sharply with Mr Bush's efforts to accommodate Russia, saying he would push to eject it from the Group of Eight club of industrial powers.

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ma vala sto se iraka tice to ce biti sranje sta god da se desi sa trupama. Ne bi me zacudilo da ako se povuku i da bude masovno klanje Shiti Vs. Sunni vs. Kurdi. A ni ostanak nije opcija. Hebeno je kad zagazis u govna do grla.....pa ni tamo a ni 'vamo :D
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Izgleda da Demokrati vide da od od ovo dvoje niti jedno ne moze da prevagne, a i pojedinacno protiv McCain-a ne izgledaju najsjajnije...zato opet pominjanje Al Gore-a kao predsjednickog kandidata...

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JOHNSTOWN, Pennsylvania: Senator Barack Obama had a few words of advice for his rival Senator Hillary Clinton: Do not drop out on my account.

"My attitude is that Senator Clinton can run as long as she wants," Senator Obama said at a news conference in a high school gymnasium. "Her name is on the ballot. She is a fierce and formidable opponent, and she obviously believes she would make the best nominee and the best president."

A few prominent Obama supporters have recently suggested Senator Clinton consider withdrawing from the race for the Democratic presidential nomination. Senator Patrick Leahy said last week that Senator Clinton could not win and that her attacks on Senator Obama were hurting "more than anything that John McCain has said".

Senator Clinton's forces have counterattacked, saying she trails by a narrow margin in the popular vote and in the delegate count. She has suggested to allies that party leaders are trying to bully her.

The former president Bill Clinton dismissed the notion that the discord had hurt the party's chances. "We just need to relax and let this happen," he said in Girardville, Pennsylvania.

Meanwhile, plans for Al Gore to take the Democratic presidential nomination as the saviour of a divided party are being discussed by senior figures and aides to the former vice-president. They believe Mr Gore could emerge as a compromise candidate at the party's convention in August.

The New York Times; Telegraph, London
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iz weekend journal. Peggy Noonan po obicaju dere Hillary :D

Getting Mrs. Clinton
March 28, 2008; Page W18
I think we've reached a signal point in the campaign. This is the point where, with Hillary Clinton, either you get it or you don't. There's no dodging now. You either understand the problem with her candidacy, or you don't. You either understand who she is, or not. And if you don't, after 16 years of watching Clintonian dramas, you probably never will.

That's what the Bosnia story was about. Her fictions about dodging bullets on the tarmac -- and we have to hope they were lies, because if they weren't, if she thought what she was saying was true, we are in worse trouble than we thought -- either confirmed what you already knew (she lies as a matter of strategy, or, as William Safire said in 1996, by nature) or revealed in an unforgettable way (videotape! Smiling girl in pigtails offering flowers!) what you feared (that she lies more than is humanly usual, even politically usual).

But either you get it now or you never will. That's the importance of the Bosnia tape.

Many in the press get it, to their dismay, and it makes them uncomfortable, for it sours life to have a person whose character you feel you cannot admire play such a large daily role in your work. But I think it's fair to say of the establishment media at this point that it is well populated by people who feel such a lack of faith in Mrs. Clinton's words and ways that it amounts to an aversion. They are offended by how she and her staff operate. They try hard to be fair. They constantly have to police themselves.

Not that her staff isn't policing them too. Mrs. Clinton's people are heavy-handed in that area, letting producers and correspondents know they're watching, weighing, may have to take this higher. There's too much of this in politics, but Hillary's campaign takes it to a new level.

It's not only the press. It's what I get as I walk around New York, which used to be thick with her people. I went to a Hillary fund-raiser at Hunter College about a month ago, paying for a seat in the balcony and being ushered up to fill the more expensive section on the floor, so frantic were they to fill seats.

I sat next to a woman, a New York Democrat who'd been for Hillary from the beginning and still was. She was here. But, she said, "It doesn't seem to be working." She shrugged, not like a brokenhearted person but a practical person who'd missed all the signs of something coming. She wasn't mad at the voters. But she was no longer so taken by the woman who soon took the stage and enacted joy.

The other day a bookseller told me he'd been reading the opinion pages of the papers and noting the anti-Hillary feeling. Two weeks ago he realized he wasn't for her anymore. It wasn't one incident, just an accumulation of things. His experience tracks this week's Wall Street Journal/NBC poll showing Mrs. Clinton's disapproval numbers have risen to the highest level ever in the campaign, her highest in fact in seven years.

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You'd think she'd pivot back to showing a likable side, chatting with women, weeping, wearing the bright yellows and reds that are thought to appeal to her core following, older women. Well, she's doing that. Yet at the same time, her campaign reveals new levels of thuggishness, though that's the wrong word, for thugs are often effective. This is mere heavy-handedness.

On Wednesday a group of Mrs. Clinton's top donors sent a letter to the speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, warning her in language that they no doubt thought subtle but that reflected a kind of incompetent menace, that her statements on the presidential campaign may result in less money for Democratic candidates for the House. Ms. Pelosi had said that in her view the superdelegates should support the presidential candidate who wins the most pledged delegates in state contests. The letter urged her to "clarify" her position, which is "clearly untenable" and "runs counter" to the superdelegates' right to make "an informed, individual decision" about "who would be the party's strongest nominee." The signers, noting their past and huge financial support, suggested that Ms. Pelosi "reflect" on her comments and amend them to reflect "a more open view."

Barack Obama's campaign called it inappropriate and said Mrs. Clinton should "reject the insinuation." But why would she? All she has now is bluster. Her supporters put their threat in a letter, not in a private meeting. By threatening Ms. Pelosi publicly, they robbed her of room to maneuver. She has to defy them or back down. She has always struck me as rather grittier than her chic suits, high heels and unhidden enthusiasm may suggest. We'll see.

What, really, is Mrs. Clinton doing? She is having the worst case of cognitive dissonance in the history of modern politics. She cannot come up with a credible, realistic path to the nomination. She can't trace the line from "this moment's difficulties" to "my triumphant end." But she cannot admit to herself that she can lose. Because Clintons don't lose. She can't figure out how to win, and she can't accept the idea of not winning. She cannot accept that this nobody from nowhere could have beaten her, quietly and silently, every day. (She cannot accept that she still doesn't know how he did it!)

She is concussed. But she is a scrapper, a fighter, and she's doing what she knows how to do: scrap and fight. Only harder. So that she ups the ante every day. She helped Ireland achieve peace. She tried to stop Nafta. She's been a leader for 35 years. She landed in Bosnia under siege and bravely dodged bullets. It was as if she'd watched the movie "Wag the Dog," with its fake footage of a terrified refugee woman running frantically from mortar fire, and found it not a cautionary tale about manipulation and politics, but an inspiration.

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What struck me as the best commentary on the Bosnia story came from a poster called GI Joe who wrote in to a news blog: "Actually Mrs. Clinton was too modest. I was there and saw it all. When Mrs. Clinton got off the plane the tarmac came under mortar and machine gun fire. I was blown off my tank and exposed to enemy fire. Mrs. Clinton without regard to her own safety dragged me to safety, jumped on the tank and opened fire, killing 50 of the enemy." Soon a suicide bomber appeared, but Mrs. Clinton stopped the guards from opening fire. "She talked to the man in his own language and got him [to] surrender. She found that he had suffered terribly as a result of policies of George Bush. She defused the bomb vest herself." Then she turned to his wounds. "She stopped my bleeding and saved my life. Chelsea donated the blood."

Made me laugh. It was like the voice of the people answering back. This guy knows that what Mrs. Clinton said is sort of crazy. He seems to know her reputation for untruths. He seemed to be saying, "I get it."

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