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Da mi odgovori neko ko se razumije. Ako bombarduješ postrojenja (ili šta već) gdje se nalazi hemijsko oružje, zar to ne bi dovelo do kobnih posljedica za okolinu bombardiranog mjesta?
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Bosanski_kralj wrote:Da mi odgovori neko ko se razumije. Ako bombarduješ postrojenja (ili šta već) gdje se nalazi hemijsko oružje, zar to ne bi dovelo do kobnih posljedica za okolinu bombardiranog mjesta?
vjerovatno bi

evo kako amerikanci uništavaju hemijsko oružje u specijalnim bazama
Each disposal facility is equipped with a cascading negative air system, which ensures that in the event of an accident or structural failure, any chemical agent released stays within the facility. This system is complemented with carbon air filters, which would remove any chemical agents from the air. Structural robustness was ensured during construction with the incinerators being built with 22-inch-thick (560 mm) concrete walls. In addition to the safety precautions at the disposal locations, a significant amount of attention has been directed toward disaster preparedness in the event that the precautions should somehow fail. Millions of dollars of federal funds have been provided to the communities near the disposal sites in the form of communications equipment, emergency operations centers, decontamination equipment, etc.[12] Emergency exercises are conducted, in which both base and community emergency sirens are sounded, to ensure the readiness of response plans in nearby communities. Officials also encourage local families and businesses to be prepared with their own emergency response plans.[13]
GB or Sarin is the least lethal of the nerve agents. Nerve agents act to disable enzymes responsible for transmitting nerve impulses. Initial effects can appear almost immediately after exposure and can cause death within minutes.[15] Humans exposed to a non-disabling dose which would be about .05 mg/m3 for twenty minutes, can experience headaches, eye pain, tightness in chest, rhino rhea, cramps, nausea, malaise and miosis. With a slightly more potent dose of .05 mg/m3 for 30 minutes effects include inhibition, dyspnea and SFEMG changes. The required dose for a rate of 50 percent lethality is 70 mg-min/m3
evo šta koriste da unište hemijsko oružje
Once the U.S. learns of a possible location, using traditional bombs and missiles would only make problems worse. Due to the very nature of chemical weapons, an explosive attack would spread lethal agents over a wide area, meaning more civilian casualties.

This is why the Pentagon’s Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA)—an organization which uses science to combat WMD—has developed two "agent defeat" weapons to specifically to neutralize chemical and biological weapons without collateral damage.

The first one, known as BLU-119/B CrashPAD, was fielded during 2003 to support Operation Iraqi Freedom. This 2,000-pound Mk84 bomb comes loaded with a mix of high explosive and white phosphorus. The explosive ruptures drums or other containers while the phosphorus burns at high temperature, neutralizing the chemical agent. This was later joined by Shredder, a similar design based on a hardened bomb casing which can reach stockpiles stashed in reinforced, concrete-hardened bunkers.

But white phosphorus is also incredibly volatile, not to mention toxic, so Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories have been working on a safer, more effective alternative. The material, developed by Livermore’s High Explosives Applications Facility (HEAF), is a thermite mixture of metal and metal oxide, which burns at high temperature.

Homemade thermite can destroy washing machines or make a hole in a frozen lake. But HEAF researchers created thermite that burns hotter and longer than white phosphorus and produces less overpressure, so there is less risk of spreading the chemical agent.

HEAF’s biggest hurdle was turning thermite powder into a toothpaste-like texture. But the team succeeded in finding a suitable binder to create the first ever plasticized thermite.

Because thermite does not self-ignite, the mixture is spread and detonated by a high-explosive inner core. The result is a ‘persistent thermitic cloud’ to rapidly destroy chemical agents. As of 2017, the HEAF team were working on scaling up to produce and use the thermite in large quantities to be used in a successor to Shredder known as Penetrating Agent Defeat.


The U.S. military’s other option is HAMMER, another thermite-based weapon. Short for “Heated and Mobile Munitions Employing Rockets”, this weapon fires “kinetic fireball incendiaries” that are essentially hollow shells of rubberized rocket fuel. The shell has a hole in it, and when the interior is ignited, exhaust shoots out through the hole, propelling five-pound ball at high speeds.

Once released, these bouncy, grapefruit-sized fireballs will spread through any confined space, filling the air with hot exhaust, raising the temperature to over 1,000 Fahrenheit, and staring secondary fires. If chemical weapons are stored in an underground complex, then a single penetrating bomb could release dozens of fireballs to take out whole facility in one strike.

HAMMER has been a long time coming. First revealed in 2008, the DTRA has been working to turn them into a usable weapon ever since. According to budget documents, plans for 2018 included sled tests of full-scale HAMMER weapon system, and preparing to transfer the technology to the Air Force next year. These plans could be accelerated, which isn’t unheard of when it comes to weapons development.

Even these agent defeat weapons are not a silver bullet for destroying chemical weapons. In fact, it may take many strikes to get the job done. But if they can help prevent the deaths of more innocent civilians, it’s an option worth taking seriously.
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#113303 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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Jebali im znanje!
Pentagon: Neither Syrian nor Russian air defenses shot down any U.S. or allied missiles, Russians didn't even try. Assad regime fired 40 surface-to-air missiles into sky AFTER American/French/British missiles had already destroyed 3 targets
Rezimski majmuni lazu da su oborili 70 Tomahavka, a Asadovi sljedbenici na forumu u to vjeruju. :roll: :lol: :lol:

Od silnih prijetnji Rusija nije imala muda ni oboriti poneku raketu kako bi zastitili svoje saveznike. Asada samo jos Dzibuti nije odvalio po vratu. :D

Vec se govori da bez rusko-americkog dogovora nema buducnosti za Siriju. To je rezultat ovih napada. Rusi ne mogu dobiti nijedan rat. Amerika je ekspresno zavrsila Irak, dok se Rusija muci u Siriji. Zemlja je skroz razvaljena i podijeljena. Nema ko se u nju nije uvalio.

Turci, Putinovi novi saveznici, podrzavaju americke napade!?? :oops: :lol: :lol:

Putinu jedino ostaje Lukasenko, mada je upitno koliko mu je i on odan. Rusko-bjeloruski blok je strah i trepet za cijeli svijet! :oops:

Evo jedan realan Srbin sa MCM, istinu zbori, da se covjek prijatno iznenadi...
Ako nekog zanima, ja više vjerujem u američku verziju da nijedna raketa nije oborena. Ta priča o 71 oborneoj raketi me podeseća na Srbiju '99, i tvrdnje po medijima o velikom broju oborenih aviona.

Ali nije to toliko bitno, ono što mene ubija u pojam: Rusija rzamatra (pazi: razmatra) da isporuči PVO sisteme Siriji. OK, dok oni razmotre, neka Siriju bombarduje ko hoće, kad hoće i koliko hoće. Razumem da Rusija neće da brani Siriju od USA i Izraela ali da neće da im omoguće da se sami brane - to je jednostavno nevjerovatno.

Isto takvo natezanje oko PVO sistema je bilo sa Iranom. Završilo je tako da Iran ne dozvoljava Rusiji da koristi aeorodrome. Onda pričamo o nekakvom savezništvu. Rusija se dugoročno neće moći suprotstaviti USA bez saveznika a vodi upravo takvu politiku da ne može imati saveznike.
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IdrizDomagojSpisic wrote:
Ja nikad nisam cuo od americkog zvanicnika, niti medija, da je Assad legitiman predsjednik, nego diktator, ubica i sl. Prema tome, ne bi ubili predsjednika, ako je vjerovati onome sto govore. I ko omogucava Assadu da uopste bude faktor, ako ne Rusi? 7 godina slusamo kako zli Assad ubija "vlastite građane" na sve nacine, ukljucujuci hemijsko oruzje. Ukloni onda Assada i Rusku vojsku koja to omogucava. I Sadama si gađao, Gadafija, jel tako. Dok ih nisu sabili u rupe. Ako si tako jak. Ili nisi?

Ovo sto Amerikanci rade je kao kad ti ljubomorna treba ispara sofersajbu na autu "da ti pokaze" jer si supak.
Poređenje ti je, blago rečeno, nigdje veze. Amerika nije u formalnom ratu sa Sirijom i jasno su rekli šta će gađati, a i da jesu, čisto sumnjam da bi ganjali tog miša da ga skrate za glavu. Prepustili bi to narodu, kao što je bio slučaj i sa Muamerom i Saddamom.
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SVJETSKA TURNEJA AMERIČKE VOJSKE

1950 – KOREJA

1954 – GUATAMALA

1958 – INDONESIA

1959 – KUBA

1965 – KONGO

1961 – VIETNAM

1964 – LAOS

1967 – GUATAMALA

1969 – KAMBOĐA

1980 – IRAN

1981 – NIKARAGUA

1983 – GRENADA

1986 – LIBIJA

1989 – PANAMA

1991 – IRAK

1995 – BOSNA

1998 – SUDAN

1999 – SRBIJA

2001 – AFGANISTAN

2003 – IRAK

2004 – HAITI

2011 – LIBIJA

2014 – SIRIJA

2017 – SIRIJA

2018 – SIRIJA.

Ako ima još neka pozornica, napišite.
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Russki wrote:Ako ima još neka pozornica, napišite.
Chile, 1973. godine.
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Od “Rusija ce oboriti svaki projektil ispaljen na Siriju, Rusija ce uzvratiti po brodu sa lojeg je ispaljen” dosli smo do a sto nisu ovo, sto nisu ono :lol: NATO je poslao jasnu poruku svima i pricajte vi sta hocete ali dogovorom ili ne Rusija je ovdje osramoćena a njihovi “saveznici” jos jednom uvjerili u svoju sigurnost sa Rusima iza ledja.
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insomnia78 wrote:Od “Rusija ce oboriti svaki projektil ispaljen na Siriju, Rusija ce uzvratiti po brodu sa lojeg je ispaljen” dosli smo do a sto nisu ovo, sto nisu ono :lol: NATO je poslao jasnu poruku svima i pricajte vi sta hocete ali dogovorom ili ne Rusija je ovdje osramoćena a njihovi “saveznici” jos jednom uvjerili u svoju sigurnost sa Rusima iza ledja.
Zato su se ovi forumski assadosti i posakrivali. Soduse isturili su klonove
Možeš li elaborirati na koji je točno način osramoćena, ili su vamo tako to mediji predstavljali na osnovu kojih kreirate vaš stav o ovoj temi i općenito o životu ?
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Pa eto pise ti.
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Ma ja. Klasična izvlakuša.
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Ali ovo je mozda i najjaci primjer saveznistva u istoriji :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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#113312 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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sekerbay wrote:
Russki wrote:Ako ima još neka pozornica, napišite.
Chile, 1973. godine.
Mexico 1846. god.
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Kocobo 1389
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Neandertalci versus Homo sapiensi
Pleistocene epoha...
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Bobi wrote:Mexico 1846. god.
Onaj debeloguzi se ne bavi temom nego personalnim insinuacijama. Evo sad vidim da tvrdi da se stalni forumaši, "Assadisti", kloniraju i pišu sa novih, duplih naloga. De života ti, provjeri, ako ima ko takav, banuj, a ako ovaj laže (pretpostavljam da laže), banuj njega.

Unaprijed zahvaljujem.
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A tu si. Bajagi planina, oFo, ono. Au biti duplo golo. Ne smije nosa promoliti :lol:
Rekli smo: nema nikakve planine, zene, kola, trajekta. Samo mutvak i situacija. Bili smo u pravu
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Bloo wrote:Neandertalci versus Homo sapiensi
Pleistocene epoha...
Koje tuj bijo srb
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#113318 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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Inače, o temi...

- Postojao je rizik velike dodatne devastacije Sirije, do toga nije došlo. Do eskalacije nasilja u samoj Siriji i regionu, do toga nije došlo. Do nove izbjegličke/imigrantske krize, to toga nije došlo. Do konfrontacije velikih, do toga nije došlo.

- Izraelski sateliti (USA, GB i Fra) su pronašli koliko-toliko častan izlazak iz situacije koju su kreirali sami i/ili njihovi gospodari; SAA i saveznici nastavljaju sa reintegracijom zemlje, a Rusi su pokazali suzdržanost. Došao je nov, sunčan dan, a svijet je nastavio da živi u miru i to je veliki dar. To što u toj suzdržanosti pretpolitičke animalne kreature lišene političkog razuma vide "slabost", to najmanje treba da nas birne. Oni su i onako autsajderska, planetarna margina.

Ono što treba da nas raduje, to je - za one koje imaju razuma - obostrani respekt velikih sila koji jeste anderlajn ovog smiješnog performansa.

Istina, ovo nije kraj i svašta se još može desiti, ali za sada, duboko sam uvjeren da Sirija, region Bliskog istoka i razuman svijet mogu da budu više nego zadovoljni.

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Inače, antivladin SOHR, takođe tvrdi da je dosta projektila - OBORENO:
The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights managed to monitored interception by the regime forces to tens of missiles which targeted their positions and military bases in the Syrian territory, where several intersected sources confirmed to the Syrian Observatory, that the number missiles that were downed, exceeded 65 missiles, of the total number of missiles fired by the Trio Coalition, while the air and rocket strikes, caused great material damage, while no information about casualties was reported yet.

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#113319 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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Toliko za sada.

Duboki respekt za Siriju, a one ostale, ko *ebe.


Yalla Suria!
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A Rusi su nas u stvari sve spasili? E slava im i hvala dje culi i ne culi. Izrael je u duhu svjetskog mira i harmonije jucer najavio produzetak borbe protiv Irana u Siriji
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#Breaking #IDF announces that following a thourough investigation it has concluded that the #Iranian drone intercepted on February 10, was loaded with explosives and was supposed to attack Israel.
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Joj Sultana kurave malo tamo malo vamo :-) :lol: :lol:
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Russki wrote:SVJETSKA TURNEJA AMERIČKE VOJSKE

1950 – KOREJA

1954 – GUATAMALA

1958 – INDONESIA

1959 – KUBA

1965 – KONGO

1961 – VIETNAM

1964 – LAOS

1967 – GUATAMALA

1969 – KAMBOĐA

1980 – IRAN

1981 – NIKARAGUA

1983 – GRENADA

1986 – LIBIJA

1989 – PANAMA

1991 – IRAK

1995 – BOSNA

1998 – SUDAN

1999 – SRBIJA

2001 – AFGANISTAN

2003 – IRAK

2004 – HAITI

2011 – LIBIJA

2014 – SIRIJA

2017 – SIRIJA

2018 – SIRIJA.

Ako ima još neka pozornica, napišite.
I ambasador Rusije u Srbiji se slaze sa tobom

“Почели су од Југославије. Уништили су Ирак и Либију. Сада бомбардују Сирију која се налази у предњој линији борбе против тероризма. Бомбардују чланицу УН. Бомбардују без санкције СБ УН. Кршећи Повељу УН. Је ли то нормално?
Паралеле са бомбардовањем Југославије су очигледне, укључујући фабриковање лажних изговора за агресију.
Треба осудити агресоре, јер следећи удар могу извести на било коју земљу. Како је рекао Ернест Хемингвеј, „не питај, за ким звоно звони, оно звони за тобом“.”
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boltonaza wrote:
insomnia78 wrote:Od “Rusija ce oboriti svaki projektil ispaljen na Siriju, Rusija ce uzvratiti po brodu sa lojeg je ispaljen” dosli smo do a sto nisu ovo, sto nisu ono :lol: NATO je poslao jasnu poruku svima i pricajte vi sta hocete ali dogovorom ili ne Rusija je ovdje osramoćena a njihovi “saveznici” jos jednom uvjerili u svoju sigurnost sa Rusima iza ledja.
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Gledas kao i tvoj babojebac od predsednika...
Rusija je u Siriji...Rusija je sacuvala svog saveznika...Rusija je ocistila Siriju...Rusija je dobila sta je htela...Ne postoji apsolutna pobeda...
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#113325 Re: Sirija vol. 2

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Pitanje za ove rusifile, koji su to “fabrikovani izgovori za americki napad na Jugoslaviju”?
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