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jastuk1
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#1126 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul
Ma ta će Kurdi. Mogu držat svoj prostor koji je već uokviren i to je to. A ako Devla ojača, oho im se zbog njihovog nacionalizma.
Čeli, sve ti FAIL-ovi koje su naveo pobija jedan veliki win a to je da nema više onog naftnog toka Iran-Irak-Sirija. A i sa devlom su šijti razbijeni.
Rusija će morat da žrtvuje Siriju, baš kao što je SSSR morao da žrtvuje Afganistan... Inače će cionisti pustiti bijesne Madjanske pse da unište Donbas i Ukrajina je zauvijek izgubljena iz Ruske sfere.
Čeli, sve ti FAIL-ovi koje su naveo pobija jedan veliki win a to je da nema više onog naftnog toka Iran-Irak-Sirija. A i sa devlom su šijti razbijeni.
Rusija će morat da žrtvuje Siriju, baš kao što je SSSR morao da žrtvuje Afganistan... Inače će cionisti pustiti bijesne Madjanske pse da unište Donbas i Ukrajina je zauvijek izgubljena iz Ruske sfere.
- Kikibombona
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#1127 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul
Nemoj biti siguran.jastuk1 wrote:Ma ta će Kurdi. Mogu držat svoj prostor koji je već uokviren i to je to. A ako Devla ojača, oho im se zbog njihovog nacionalizma.
Čeli, sve ti FAIL-ovi koje su naveo pobija jedan veliki win a to je da nema više onog naftnog toka Iran-Irak-Sirija. A i sa devlom su šijti razbijeni.
Rusija će morat da žrtvuje Siriju, baš kao što je SSSR morao da žrtvuje Afganistan... Inače će cionisti pustiti bijesne Madjanske pse da unište Donbas i Ukrajina je zauvijek izgubljena iz Ruske sfere.
Kurdi su dobili vise od autonomije u Iraku. Konacno imaju lovu, hrpu love. Naoruzavaju se, ima ih dosta.
U Siriji im ne smije niko nista. U Alepu drze kljucni kvart Seik Maskud koji je trn u oku za SAA i pobunjenike, ali im ne smiju nista. Lagano rade na tome da se povezu na sjeveru Sirije.
Zasto su Iraku dobili autonomiju?
Zasto ih u Siriji ne smije niko ozbiljnije napasti?
Skoro sam uvjeren da imaju podrsku velikih igraca.
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#1128 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul
Polako Jastuk. Olako se prepuštaš emocijama a one uništavaju analitičke potencijale. Polako.
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#1129 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul
koliko moras mrzit nekog da bi mu uradio ovo.
vjerovatno ubiju i par svojih ovako, pucaju ko blesavi
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jastuk1
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#1130 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul
Mani je njih stvarno žao, ali bojim se da će i ovaj put biti izigrani. Vrlo je moguće da će se Turska i Devla (koja je dobrim dijelom i Turska tvorevina - svima je jasno) udružiti protiv Kurda u smislu ucjena i tako dalje. Ono Turska digne nos i kaže Kurdima eto neću više vašu naftu, povlačimo i ulaganja iz Erbila, itd. ako se ovi počnu nešto kofrčit.Kikibombona wrote:Nemoj biti siguran.jastuk1 wrote:Ma ta će Kurdi. Mogu držat svoj prostor koji je već uokviren i to je to. A ako Devla ojača, oho im se zbog njihovog nacionalizma.
Čeli, sve ti FAIL-ovi koje su naveo pobija jedan veliki win a to je da nema više onog naftnog toka Iran-Irak-Sirija. A i sa devlom su šijti razbijeni.
Rusija će morat da žrtvuje Siriju, baš kao što je SSSR morao da žrtvuje Afganistan... Inače će cionisti pustiti bijesne Madjanske pse da unište Donbas i Ukrajina je zauvijek izgubljena iz Ruske sfere.
Kurdi su dobili vise od autonomije u Iraku. Konacno imaju lovu, hrpu love. Naoruzavaju se, ima ih dosta.
U Siriji im ne smije niko nista. U Alepu drze kljucni kvart Seik Maskud koji je trn u oku za SAA i pobunjenike, ali im ne smiju nista. Lagano rade na tome da se povezu na sjeveru Sirije.
Zasto su Iraku dobili autonomiju?
Zasto ih u Siriji ne smije niko ozbiljnije napasti?
Skoro sam uvjeren da imaju podrsku velikih igraca.
Nedavno se pojavila karta velike Turske povećana za Kurdske dijelove Iraka i Sirije. Kurdska država može biti san cionista, ali Turska i Devla to neće prihvatiti. Naravno da neće ni Iran.
p.s. Yo egzekucije. Devla se ne šali... Vako osiguravaju da niko pod njihovom kontrolom ne smije ni pomisliti da bude protiv njih.
Ne znam je li ovo to, ali bilo je na twiteru da su likvidirali 12 sunitskih imama zbog odbijanja odanosti, te da nije tačno da planiraju srušiti crkve u Mosulu. Baš velikodušno.
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#1131 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul
koliko moras mrzit nekog da bi mu uradio ovo.expertx wrote:
vjerovatno ubiju i par svojih ovako, pucaju ko blesavi[/quote
Ovo nisu ljudi, ovo su zvijeri..ovu gamad treba na isti nacin potamaniti, sve do jednoga ..ko ovo podrzava, dabogda mu se isto desilo..ovako ljude ubijati, mogu samo sotone..
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#1132 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul
Na žalost, u njihovim redovima ima ljudi iz BiH, a na forumu onih koje ovim ubicama tepaju imenicom "revolucionari".animals wrote:Ovo nisu ljudi, ovo su zvijeri..ovu gamad treba na isti nacin potamaniti, sve do jednoga ..ko ovo podrzava, dabogda mu se isto desilo..ovako ljude ubijati, mogu samo sotone..
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ex-Efendija
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#1133 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul
ako moze UN bez muslimana - mogu i muslimani bez UN-asumirprimus wrote:Wtf...bagdadi vam je jedan od rijetkih prezivjelih pokretaca trenda odsijecanaj glava.on lider kalifa dobrocinitelj?kontaju li slucajno predat i zahtjev za clanstvo u unu
Kurdi su vecinski suniti pa ako dodju tobe, ni u Hilafetu im nista ne bi falilo
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#1134 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul
ka'e čovjek koji onaniše na Assada, Sissija, Putina...Challenger__ wrote:Na žalost, u njihovim redovima ima ljudi iz BiH, a na forumu onih koje ovim ubicama tepaju imenicom "revolucionari".animals wrote:Ovo nisu ljudi, ovo su zvijeri..ovu gamad treba na isti nacin potamaniti, sve do jednoga ..ko ovo podrzava, dabogda mu se isto desilo..ovako ljude ubijati, mogu samo sotone..
Koliko god Dawla bila brutalna, nisu konkurencija tvojim idolima.
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#1135 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul
Bojim se da se kod tebe svašta nešta pomješalo. Manje zlo ne može biti ničiji primarni izbor. Dakle, samo manje zlo. Još manje da se na manje zlo "onaniše".
Poradi malo na manirima.
Poradi malo na manirima.
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ex-Efendija
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#1136 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul
ex-Efendija wrote:Oni i jesu drzava! Sto se tice mudzahidskh grupa, ne vidim razlog da se ne pridruze ISISu jer je ISIS svjetlosnu godinu nadmasio ostale. Pazi, ovo ne umanjuje uspjehe i zrtve ostalih ali ISIS mi djeluje kao mudzizaamoninan wrote:ISIS je u više navrata odbij'o takvu mogućnost. Odbili su sve inicijative o udruživanju, čak i o uspostavljanju nezavisnog šerijatskog tijela koje će riješiti sporove među mudžahidskim grupama....Oni se već vide kao država. I igraju po svojim pravilima, koja su, nezanemaljivim djelom u skobu sa šerijatom.
Usput, ja sam musliman. I ne podržavam način, odnosno metodologiju ISIS-a..
Ako ti nije tesko, mozes li nam objasniti u cemu je ISIS u sukobu sa serijatom jer bih to stvarno volio cuti od nekoga ko je iskreni musliman, dosta mi je ovih siitskih tumaca istine.
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#1137 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul
Nemoj mi supe na viljušku ba.Challenger__ wrote:Bojim se da se kod tebe svašta nešto pomješalo. Manje zlo ne može biti ničiji primarni izbor. Dakle, samo manje zlo. Još manje da se na manje zlo "onaniše".
Poradi malo na manirima.
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#1138 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul
Navešću ti samo mišljenja i fetwe uleme (najvećih autoriteta) menhedža za koji ISIS tvrdi da pripada i slijedi:ex-Efendija wrote:
Ako ti nije tesko, mozes li nam objasniti u cemu je ISIS u sukobu sa serijatom jer bih to stvarno volio cuti od nekoga ko je iskreni musliman, dosta mi je ovih siitskih tumaca istine.
Complete Disassociation from ISIS by Abu Muhammad Al-Maqdisi
http://abuziyaad.wordpress.com/2014/05/ ... %84%D9%87/
Abu Qatada al Filistini: ISIS mantality corrupts Jihad
http://www.incanews.com/en/file/96/abu- ... upts-jihad
http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/securit ... atada.html
Hadouchi i Alwan su također izdali slična saopštenja.
Dakle, najveći autoriteti tzv džihadskog pokreta.
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totalni kapitalista
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#1139 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul
sto ste se zadali u Teologiju , ti vasi "silni ucenjaci" su placeni iz istih izvora , dok se Muslimani kolju oni vam prodaju suplju
jos bi covjek pomislio da ste ozbiljni ?
jedan "fini kalifat " po kreaciji Dohe , Katara i Washingtona a zasto ne i Irana po zadnjim informacijama
a i Erdogan slini takodjer zeli i on biti veliki vezir
stari recept koji uspijeva hiljadu godina ; zavadi ( a stavili su vam ga duboko ) pa vladaj
hajte vi sada nastavite svoje "filozofske "
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-destru ... te/5386998
jos bi covjek pomislio da ste ozbiljni ?
jedan "fini kalifat " po kreaciji Dohe , Katara i Washingtona a zasto ne i Irana po zadnjim informacijama
a i Erdogan slini takodjer zeli i on biti veliki vezir
stari recept koji uspijeva hiljadu godina ; zavadi ( a stavili su vam ga duboko ) pa vladaj
hajte vi sada nastavite svoje "filozofske "
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-destru ... te/5386998
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#1140 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul
The Redirection i navođeni pseudomudžahedini, u sitne detalje: The New Yorker, march 2007

("Times je izvijestio da je kralj upozorio Cheneya da će S. Arabija poduprijeti svoje kolege-sunnije u Iraku, ako se Sjedinjene Države povuku. (...)Bandar i ostali Saudijci su uvjeravali Bijelu kuću da će držati na oku ekstremiste. Njihova poruka je: "Mi smo stvorili taj pokret i mi ga možemo kontrolisati. Nije da želimo da salafisti ne bacaju bombe, nego da ih bacaju na Hezbollah, Moqtada al-Sadr, Iran i Siriju...")
("Times je izvijestio da je kralj upozorio Cheneya da će S. Arabija poduprijeti svoje kolege-sunnije u Iraku, ako se Sjedinjene Države povuku. (...)Bandar i ostali Saudijci su uvjeravali Bijelu kuću da će držati na oku ekstremiste. Njihova poruka je: "Mi smo stvorili taj pokret i mi ga možemo kontrolisati. Nije da želimo da salafisti ne bacaju bombe, nego da ih bacaju na Hezbollah, Moqtada al-Sadr, Iran i Siriju...")
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#1141 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul
Devle nije bilo na pocetku rata, ona se pojavila nakon desetina hiljada poginulih Sirijaca. I da je nema, ni nje ni njenih zlocina podrska medjunarodne zajednice Kasapinu bi bila ista.amoninan wrote:ka'e čovjek koji onaniše na Assada, Sissija, Putina...Challenger__ wrote:Na žalost, u njihovim redovima ima ljudi iz BiH, a na forumu onih koje ovim ubicama tepaju imenicom "revolucionari".animals wrote:Ovo nisu ljudi, ovo su zvijeri..ovu gamad treba na isti nacin potamaniti, sve do jednoga ..ko ovo podrzava, dabogda mu se isto desilo..ovako ljude ubijati, mogu samo sotone..![]()
Koliko god Dawla bila brutalna, nisu konkurencija tvojim idolima.
Amerika ce pomoci opoziciju u Siriji makar sve formacije bile poput Devle ako to hoce, i uskratit ce joj pomoc makar sve bile FSA, i to ima najmanje veze sa stepenom demokratije ili radikalizma kod onih koje pomazu.
Najgora stvar po meni koju rade mediji sirijske opozije je to ganjanje morala, pravdanje, izigravanje svete krave, eto nisu oni strasni kao rezim, a socnu psuju i osudjuju isil, nude se zapadu kao neka sredina, a zapad ih jedno sto puta na'uzijo.
Sta oni imaju ratovati protiv isila, kao da imaju neku misiju sirenja morala po Siriji. Isil je problem velikih sila, neka se oni njime bave.
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#1142 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul
Prvo lucidno primjetis da Turska mudro podilazi Amerima i Izraelu i onda ovakav komentar.jastuk1 wrote:Mani je njih stvarno žao, ali bojim se da će i ovaj put biti izigrani. Vrlo je moguće da će se Turska i Devla (koja je dobrim dijelom i Turska tvorevina - svima je jasno) udružiti protiv Kurda u smislu ucjena i tako dalje. Ono Turska digne nos i kaže Kurdima eto neću više vašu naftu, povlačimo i ulaganja iz Erbila, itd. ako se ovi počnu nešto kofrčit.
Nedavno se pojavila karta velike Turske povećana za Kurdske dijelove Iraka i Sirije. Kurdska država može biti san cionista, ali Turska i Devla to neće prihvatiti. Naravno da neće ni Iran.
p.s. Yo egzekucije. Devla se ne šali... Vako osiguravaju da niko pod njihovom kontrolom ne smije ni pomisliti da bude protiv njih.
Ne znam je li ovo to, ali bilo je na twiteru da su likvidirali 12 sunitskih imama zbog odbijanja odanosti, te da nije tačno da planiraju srušiti crkve u Mosulu. Baš velikodušno.
Zasto su Amerikanci insistirali na irackom Kurdistanu?
Iz milosrdja?
Malo sutra!
Zasto Kurde niko ne dira u Siriji?
Zato sto ih vole?
Malo sutra!
Kurdi su AS u rukavu zapada za destabilizaciju i 'urazumljivanje' Turske i Irana, pa i Sirije i Iraka. Posebno su opasni za Tursku. Nemoj misliti da Izrael ne zazire od jacanja Turske. Oni im sigurno ne vjeruju. Jaki Kurdi su mocno oruzje u rukama Izraela, Amerike, Evrope, pa mozda i istocnih velesila. Zbog toga iracki Kurdistan, zbog toga vjerovatno i sirijski Kurdistan. Kurdi imaju brojnost, imaju resurse, imaju novac, imaju oruzje.
Sada su iskoristili priliku i uzeli Kirkuk. Sigurno se nece upustati u vece borbe. Cekat ce svoju priliku pa mozda uzeti i Mosul. Ko zna kakvi su im planovi!? Jedno je sigurno, nastupaju mudro, takticno.
Ta Devla je pretpostavljam ISIL? Sta oni jadni mogu napraviti Kurdima? Ne mogu nista! Od Kurda ce dozivjeti debakl u Siriji, zapamti. Kurdi protiv njih vec ratuju. ISIL je podijelio sirijski Kurdistan na dva dijela. Nece jos dugo.
Turska ulaganja? Sta sa tim? Mogu Kurdi i drugim drzavama prodavati naftu. Sirenje Turske je velika ubleha. Nema teorije da bi to dozvolio Izrael i drugovi, NAPROTIV.
Nemoj ih zaliti. Zali njihove protivnike!
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#1143 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul
Ovo je ja mislim ubijanje vojnika i oficira zarobljenih poslije pada kindi bolnice u siriji od strane terorista pobunjenika.
Bagra teroristicko-koljacka , u svakom slucaju.
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#1144 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul
Otprilike.sarajevoxxxx wrote:
Devle nije bilo na pocetku rata, ona se pojavila nakon desetina hiljada poginulih Sirijaca. I da je nema, ni nje ni njenih zlocina podrska medjunarodne zajednice Kasapinu bi bila ista.
Amerika ce pomoci opoziciju u Siriji makar sve formacije bile poput Devle ako to hoce, i uskratit ce joj pomoc makar sve bile FSA, i to ima najmanje veze sa stepenom demokratije ili radikalizma kod onih koje pomazu.
Najgora stvar po meni koju rade mediji sirijske opozije je to ganjanje morala, pravdanje, izigravanje svete krave, eto nisu oni strasni kao rezim, a socnu psuju i osudjuju isil, nude se zapadu kao neka sredina, a zapad ih jedno sto puta na'uzijo.
Sta oni imaju ratovati protiv isila, kao da imaju neku misiju sirenja morala po Siriji. Isil je problem velikih sila, neka se oni njime bave.
Problem s Devlom je njihov odnos naspram drugih islamističkih formacija, poput IFa, Nusre i drugih. Samo proglašenje ISIS je bila velika greška. Da su nastupili drugačije... imali bi danas Medžlis u Siriji, a vjerovatno i u Iraku, s preko 100 hiljada boraca. Situacija bi bila jako drugačija. Međutim...
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#1145 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul
Upravo!amoninan wrote:
Otprilike.
Problem s Devlom je njihov odnos naspram drugih islamističkih formacija, poput IFa, Nusre i drugih. Da su nastupili drugačije... imali bi danas Medžlis u Siriji, a vjerovatno i u Iraku, s preko 100 hiljada boraca. Situacija bi bila jako drugačija. Međutim...
ISIL je htio gazdovati. Ovi to nisu htjeli prihvatiti i eto sukoba.
Bilo je tu razno-raznih situacija. Najupecatljivija je odsjecanje glave komadantu Ahraru Shama. Tada je i zvanicno puklo.
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#1146 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul
eh, evo nađoh i kompletan prijevod pisma Majed al-Majeda (komadanta Azzama), Zawahiriju nakon formacije ISIS-a
Otprilike predvidio razvoj događaja
Message from Majed al-Majed to Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri
Leader of Abdullah Azzam Brigade [Killed under torture after being captured by Lebanese forces]
A few days after the creation of the Islamic State of Iraq and Sham.
1. I am sending you this message hoping you are in the best of health and that God might bless you and aid you.
2. I am talking to you after Shaikh al-Bagdadi a United State in Syria and Iraq, and when Shaykh al-Jawlani rejected it.
3. And the consequences of the two speeches and the Fitnah that will occur if God does not help the Mujahidin realize the Fitnah and contain it.
4. I would like to connect the events of today to those in the past. A year ago we sent a letter to Abu Yahya al-Libby.
5. And There's a version of it at Shaykh **** where we pointed at certain things in regards to the Shami arena and its attributes.
6. And issues regarding the Jihad before the revolution and in it were some recomondations/plans which he could correct and comment on.
7. His reply was that he did not disagree with almost anything and that he stressed on the same points to the Islamic State of Iraq.
8. The war in Syria will be long, and will have effects on Lebanon, Palestine and Jordan and as for Shaykh al-Baghdadi's announcement of a State;
9. We say that, having analyzed the situation, that if it (ISIS) continues that it will break the back of the Jihad in Sham.
10. It will divide the Jihadi groups and will enable the enemy to squeeze in and turn one group against the other.
11. Sometimes in the open and sometimes using media, spies, neighboring countries and influencing the naive/weakminded.
12. And that's for some reasons. For example:
13. FIRST REASON: Nusra being unable to carry the burden of having a State (by itself). As well as not having reached the Shari (Islamic) conditions of creating a state.
14. And is unable from a realistic point of view to carry the burden of costs and duties.
15. And is unable to deal with what it will face, domestically and internationally whether it be friend or foe, agent or sincere or those deceived.
16. And this is what Jawlani himself meant when he refused the creation of a State by an audio announcement
17. And even though we advice each other in private like now, we find that because of the danger of the situation that he had to go public.
18. And I say that people that are aware sincere will confront this project and nobody should call them traitors/agents based on flimsy evidence and in some cases mere thought like some brothers do.
19. And the majority of Mujahidin do not find this the right time to anounce a state, and find it to be rushing it.
20. And they find it that it will corrupt the Jihad and help the enemy. Whether you agree with this or not you have to know that this will cause a clash.
21. And this clash needs not but mere provocation to ignite. And this with the way the two sides look at each other with suspicion.
22. Because they are sensitive to the Iraqi experience, and do not trust our brothers there.
23. And they find that they have no islamic discipline or political understanding that makes them suitable to run a state which is supported by the Mujahidin.
24. So they will not respond to this call, not because they don't want it (Islamic State) but because it's rushing it and how they see the runners of the project.
25. So how will the two sides meet? And one would wonder that if a group by itself is able to announce a state it that it would be able...
26. to contain the others and being just to them and fair and ignoring their mistakes and working on winning them over.
27. And we don't see any group as being able to do this, knowing that they will be fought through media and on the ground.
28. Not a single group can reach the people which will equal what all the others can reach to distort their image by using their mistakes against them.
29. Which will lead them (ISIS) to look at all the other groups in a negative way.
30. And this is how the enemy will manipulate the arena, so the door should be closed while it still can.
31. SECOND REASON: The strength and trust of the brothers will be in the North and East. So this state will redirect all its efforts here.
32. So this State will put all its efforts to consolidate their power in this area and over all the other (opposing sides).
33. This will take all the time of the Mujahidin and revolutionaries, and this is something the regime and the Americans want.
34. Because all the Jihadi and revolutionary work will be attracted towards North and East.
35. So the Americans can use their secular puppets and focus on the most important areas in the country like Homs and Damascus.
36. So that they can achieve something which they were unable to achieve for over two years!
37. Because the Western problem is geographical and the danger of these areas to their interests if they go out of control.
38. And controlling these important areas will save them, and they will agree with the regime in one way or the other.
39. So where will the force be that can stop them? They will be depleted in other areas.
40. So if they (West/Assad) are capable to win in these areas (Damascus/Homs) they will make it a launching ground to kick them out from the other areas.
41. After the brothers have been drained from unimportant battles.
42. THIRD REASON: The regime wants to mass where their sect is, so Homs and Lattakia. Where they will get aid from Lebanon and the sea.
43. So it wants to strengthen its power and state there. So it can fight the Mujahidin in other areas with help from the West and East.
44. No matter what the western viewpoint is, whether they want to keep him (Assad) or want to keep a majority of his institutes or replace it with an interm gov.
45. Whatever the answer is it won't be in the interest of Muslims. And the enemy will rip the fruits of their revolution.
46. To create a state submissive to them, like they did in the previous century or with other revolutions.
47. After consulting with others in this group and outside, we see that the announcement of a state in this time and way will be a lifeline for Assad, Israel and West.
48. They will be able to draw Syria in whatever way they want and the Syrian regime/gov which most revolutionaries were against will be an option again.
49. And this is due to the crumbling of the revolutionary body against it. So this announcement strengthens outside projects.
50. Why do we not gather with the other Mujahidin and establish a project even if it has a deficiency.
51. As long as it implements Shariah and is not submissive to the west. This will be toughest project and will need work from all those sincere.
52. And removing all the obstacles in its way and as you know that the revolutionary powers rejected foreign commands and did not accept foreign agents.
53. And they stood with Nusra when it was classified as a terrorist group and fought by the media and west.
54. And the Jihadi groups supported Nusra so working with them is possible and this should be the first priority.
55. And all disputes with them should be solved with Fiqh looking at the legitimate needs of the Ummah.
56. And this is what we see you calling to and inciting the believers to understand so they can rip the fruits of the Jihad.
57. I will end this with another issue, the issue of creating states in this time.
58. The international regime, even though its weakening is still able to mass their agents into war against anyone they want.
59. And the Islamic people have become the driving force, they have the ambition and desire but they are lacking the Shar'i/Islamic and political awareness.
60. So I hope you address this issue from a Fiqhi perspective especially in this new era.
61. Is this a stage of establishing states or stage of creating awareness & attracting the Ummah to goals of jihadi program in prep for next stage?
62. Dont we need more Jihad and patience until the international regime and America are unable to prevent the rise of an Islamic State.
63. We ask Allah to preserve you with what you have been tasked.
http://justpaste.it/f44h
Otprilike predvidio razvoj događaja
Message from Majed al-Majed to Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri
Leader of Abdullah Azzam Brigade [Killed under torture after being captured by Lebanese forces]
A few days after the creation of the Islamic State of Iraq and Sham.
1. I am sending you this message hoping you are in the best of health and that God might bless you and aid you.
2. I am talking to you after Shaikh al-Bagdadi a United State in Syria and Iraq, and when Shaykh al-Jawlani rejected it.
3. And the consequences of the two speeches and the Fitnah that will occur if God does not help the Mujahidin realize the Fitnah and contain it.
4. I would like to connect the events of today to those in the past. A year ago we sent a letter to Abu Yahya al-Libby.
5. And There's a version of it at Shaykh **** where we pointed at certain things in regards to the Shami arena and its attributes.
6. And issues regarding the Jihad before the revolution and in it were some recomondations/plans which he could correct and comment on.
7. His reply was that he did not disagree with almost anything and that he stressed on the same points to the Islamic State of Iraq.
8. The war in Syria will be long, and will have effects on Lebanon, Palestine and Jordan and as for Shaykh al-Baghdadi's announcement of a State;
9. We say that, having analyzed the situation, that if it (ISIS) continues that it will break the back of the Jihad in Sham.
10. It will divide the Jihadi groups and will enable the enemy to squeeze in and turn one group against the other.
11. Sometimes in the open and sometimes using media, spies, neighboring countries and influencing the naive/weakminded.
12. And that's for some reasons. For example:
13. FIRST REASON: Nusra being unable to carry the burden of having a State (by itself). As well as not having reached the Shari (Islamic) conditions of creating a state.
14. And is unable from a realistic point of view to carry the burden of costs and duties.
15. And is unable to deal with what it will face, domestically and internationally whether it be friend or foe, agent or sincere or those deceived.
16. And this is what Jawlani himself meant when he refused the creation of a State by an audio announcement
17. And even though we advice each other in private like now, we find that because of the danger of the situation that he had to go public.
18. And I say that people that are aware sincere will confront this project and nobody should call them traitors/agents based on flimsy evidence and in some cases mere thought like some brothers do.
19. And the majority of Mujahidin do not find this the right time to anounce a state, and find it to be rushing it.
20. And they find it that it will corrupt the Jihad and help the enemy. Whether you agree with this or not you have to know that this will cause a clash.
21. And this clash needs not but mere provocation to ignite. And this with the way the two sides look at each other with suspicion.
22. Because they are sensitive to the Iraqi experience, and do not trust our brothers there.
23. And they find that they have no islamic discipline or political understanding that makes them suitable to run a state which is supported by the Mujahidin.
24. So they will not respond to this call, not because they don't want it (Islamic State) but because it's rushing it and how they see the runners of the project.
25. So how will the two sides meet? And one would wonder that if a group by itself is able to announce a state it that it would be able...
26. to contain the others and being just to them and fair and ignoring their mistakes and working on winning them over.
27. And we don't see any group as being able to do this, knowing that they will be fought through media and on the ground.
28. Not a single group can reach the people which will equal what all the others can reach to distort their image by using their mistakes against them.
29. Which will lead them (ISIS) to look at all the other groups in a negative way.
30. And this is how the enemy will manipulate the arena, so the door should be closed while it still can.
31. SECOND REASON: The strength and trust of the brothers will be in the North and East. So this state will redirect all its efforts here.
32. So this State will put all its efforts to consolidate their power in this area and over all the other (opposing sides).
33. This will take all the time of the Mujahidin and revolutionaries, and this is something the regime and the Americans want.
34. Because all the Jihadi and revolutionary work will be attracted towards North and East.
35. So the Americans can use their secular puppets and focus on the most important areas in the country like Homs and Damascus.
36. So that they can achieve something which they were unable to achieve for over two years!
37. Because the Western problem is geographical and the danger of these areas to their interests if they go out of control.
38. And controlling these important areas will save them, and they will agree with the regime in one way or the other.
39. So where will the force be that can stop them? They will be depleted in other areas.
40. So if they (West/Assad) are capable to win in these areas (Damascus/Homs) they will make it a launching ground to kick them out from the other areas.
41. After the brothers have been drained from unimportant battles.
42. THIRD REASON: The regime wants to mass where their sect is, so Homs and Lattakia. Where they will get aid from Lebanon and the sea.
43. So it wants to strengthen its power and state there. So it can fight the Mujahidin in other areas with help from the West and East.
44. No matter what the western viewpoint is, whether they want to keep him (Assad) or want to keep a majority of his institutes or replace it with an interm gov.
45. Whatever the answer is it won't be in the interest of Muslims. And the enemy will rip the fruits of their revolution.
46. To create a state submissive to them, like they did in the previous century or with other revolutions.
47. After consulting with others in this group and outside, we see that the announcement of a state in this time and way will be a lifeline for Assad, Israel and West.
48. They will be able to draw Syria in whatever way they want and the Syrian regime/gov which most revolutionaries were against will be an option again.
49. And this is due to the crumbling of the revolutionary body against it. So this announcement strengthens outside projects.
50. Why do we not gather with the other Mujahidin and establish a project even if it has a deficiency.
51. As long as it implements Shariah and is not submissive to the west. This will be toughest project and will need work from all those sincere.
52. And removing all the obstacles in its way and as you know that the revolutionary powers rejected foreign commands and did not accept foreign agents.
53. And they stood with Nusra when it was classified as a terrorist group and fought by the media and west.
54. And the Jihadi groups supported Nusra so working with them is possible and this should be the first priority.
55. And all disputes with them should be solved with Fiqh looking at the legitimate needs of the Ummah.
56. And this is what we see you calling to and inciting the believers to understand so they can rip the fruits of the Jihad.
57. I will end this with another issue, the issue of creating states in this time.
58. The international regime, even though its weakening is still able to mass their agents into war against anyone they want.
59. And the Islamic people have become the driving force, they have the ambition and desire but they are lacking the Shar'i/Islamic and political awareness.
60. So I hope you address this issue from a Fiqhi perspective especially in this new era.
61. Is this a stage of establishing states or stage of creating awareness & attracting the Ummah to goals of jihadi program in prep for next stage?
62. Dont we need more Jihad and patience until the international regime and America are unable to prevent the rise of an Islamic State.
63. We ask Allah to preserve you with what you have been tasked.
http://justpaste.it/f44h
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#1147 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul
Ako zelimo demokratiju onda vlast bira narod a ne Zehran Alus i drugi samoproglaseni komandanti i lideri. IF ne zeli demokratiju vec jedan diktatorski rezim zamjeniti drugim, onim saudijskim, i to je to.amoninan wrote:Otprilike.sarajevoxxxx wrote:
Devle nije bilo na pocetku rata, ona se pojavila nakon desetina hiljada poginulih Sirijaca. I da je nema, ni nje ni njenih zlocina podrska medjunarodne zajednice Kasapinu bi bila ista.
Amerika ce pomoci opoziciju u Siriji makar sve formacije bile poput Devle ako to hoce, i uskratit ce joj pomoc makar sve bile FSA, i to ima najmanje veze sa stepenom demokratije ili radikalizma kod onih koje pomazu.
Najgora stvar po meni koju rade mediji sirijske opozije je to ganjanje morala, pravdanje, izigravanje svete krave, eto nisu oni strasni kao rezim, a socnu psuju i osudjuju isil, nude se zapadu kao neka sredina, a zapad ih jedno sto puta na'uzijo.
Sta oni imaju ratovati protiv isila, kao da imaju neku misiju sirenja morala po Siriji. Isil je problem velikih sila, neka se oni njime bave.
Problem s Devlom je njihov odnos naspram drugih islamističkih formacija, poput IFa, Nusre i drugih. Samo proglašenje ISIS je bila velika greška. Da su nastupili drugačije... imali bi danas Medžlis u Siriji, a vjerovatno i u Iraku, s preko 100 hiljada boraca. Situacija bi bila jako drugačija. Međutim...
I rezim i opozicija nastupaju sa pozicija da oni imaju ekskluzivno pravo na istinu. Kada im se pohebu te nategnute istine i silom napravljene konstrukcije onda potezu za teorijama zavjere. Oni stvari koju ne mogu objasniti logicki, jednostavno nazovu zavjerom.
Niko ne pita narod za misljenje, svi rade, govore, onako kako to ocekuju njihovi mentiri iz vana koji ih finansiraju. Siriji je zabranjeno da bude svoja. Ona ce biti ili rusko iranska ili saudijska, ili ce biti potpuno unistena.
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#1148 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul
Realno, demokratija zapadnog tipa, među pobunjenicima/masama u zemlji nikad nije bila dominirajuća opcija. To je uglavnom bila priča za CNN i to, i iluzija sirijske dijaspore.
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#1149 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul
Imaju Sirijci lidere koji ih mogu kvalitetno voditi, ali ti ljudi se ne svidjaju ni Teheranu ni Rijadu. Uslov da budes lider u Siriji je da se dobro na'uzis ili jednima ili drugima. Ko to bolje radi vise je u pravu i manji je terorista.amoninan wrote:Realno, demokratija zapadnog tipa, među pobunjenicima/masama u zemlji nikad nije bila dominirajuća opcija. To je uglavnom bila priča za CNN i to, i iluzija sirijske dijaspore.
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#1150 Re: ISIS zauzeo Mosul
Taman!sarajevoxxxx wrote:Imaju Sirijci lidere koji ih mogu kvalitetno voditi, ali ti ljudi se ne svidjaju ni Teheranu ni Rijadu. Uslov da budes lider u Siriji je da se dobro na'uzis ili jednima ili drugima. Ko to bolje radi vise je u pravu i manji je terorista.amoninan wrote:Realno, demokratija zapadnog tipa, među pobunjenicima/masama u zemlji nikad nije bila dominirajuća opcija. To je uglavnom bila priča za CNN i to, i iluzija sirijske dijaspore.
