Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About

[jeza u ledja]

Procitah odlican clanak u Voxu, opet Ezra Klein:

The best analogy to Donald Trump in 2017 is George W. Bush in 2005

We are living through unusual times, and the tendency is to reach for extreme historical analogies. I have seen this era compared to the runup to the Civil War, to Watergate, to the dawn of Nazi Germany, to the presidency of Andrew Jackson, to the rise of Italy’s Silvio Berlusconi, to the fall of the Roman Empire.

But the most persuasive analogue is nearer both in time and in space. What this period most closely resembles, argues political scientist Brendan Nyhan, is the aftermath of the 2004 election, when George W. Bush defeated John Kerry. Then, like now, a culturally polarizing Republican candidate was narrowly elected after a campaign waged atop nationalistic, identitarian appeals. Then, like now, the GOP gained control of both the White House and Congress. Then, like now, the winner had no clear policy mandate, and quickly suffered massive legislative defeat (Social Security privatization for Bush, Obamacare repeal for Trump). Then, like now, the president watched his favorability ratings tumble into the 30s, and appeared to be headed for a severe backlash in the midterms.

I would take the analogy yet further. Trump’s callousness and indiscipline has left many liberals yearning for Bush’s more dignified and decent bearing. A poll in October found that a majority of Democrats now hold a favorable opinion of the 43rd president. But in 2004, Democrats absorbed Bush’s reelection as more than a defeat; it was a cultural rejection and a political crisis. Democrats warned that it was “the most important election of our lifetime.” If John Kerry didn’t win, the results could be, would be, catastrophic.

But Bush crushed Democrats with a campaign that, as Robert Reich wrote, was “not just God and gays but also true grit in fighting the evils of Saddam Hussein and global terrorism.” This was the age in which Bill Clinton warned that "when people are insecure, they'd rather have somebody who is strong and wrong than someone who's weak and right,” the era of flag pins, of Swift Boat Veterans, of books with titles like Bush Country: How Dubya Became a Great President While Driving Liberals Insane. It was the era of anti-same-sex marriage ballot initiatives, of Democrats panicking over the loss of white Christian voters.

When Bush won, the left absorbed it as a trauma — proof that they had lost touch with the heartland, that they no longer understood the country they called home. The 2004 election, wrote Paul Starr in the liberal American Prospect, confirmed that Democrats were “no longer a majority party.” In the same magazine, Alan Brinkley wrote, “The greatest success of the modern right has been transforming conservatism into a populist phenomenon.”

Sound familiar? Just wait. In the New York Times, the headline was “Baffled in Loss, Democrats Seek Road Forward.” The article records a litany of prominent Democrats unloading their fears and their confusion. “We need to be a party that stands for more than the sum of our resentments,” said Evan Bayh, an Indiana Democrat then in the Senate. “In the heartland, where I am from, there are doubts. Too often, we're caricatured as a bicoastal cultural elite that is condescending at best and contemptuous at worst to the values that Americans hold in their daily lives."

All of this could have been said by, and written, about, Democrats in the aftermath of 2016. And it yields, I think, a few lessons.

What 2004 teaches us about 2016

Today, 2004 is one of the few elections I know of that many Democrats believe it’s better that they lost. Had they won, it would have been President John Kerry facing a Republican Congress, managing the flailing Iraq War, and ultimately blindsided by the financial crisis. The congressional majorities Democrats built in 2006 and then expanded on in 2008 — the majorities that permitted the passage of the Affordable Care Act and the stimulus and much else — would never have materialized. Bush’s continued presence in office meant Republicans paid the political price for their past mistakes, and Democrats reaped the rewards.

A similar future is plausible, though far from assured, today. With the important exception of replacing Justice Antonin Scalia with Neil Gorsuch, Trump and the Republican Congress appear to be getting less done, and paying more of a political price, than most expected. It seems possible now that Democrat Doug Jones will win Jeff Sessions’s Senate seat in Alabama; if that happens, retaking both the House and the Senate is well within reach for Democrats in 2018, putting an end to Trump’s legislative agenda.

If Trump’s presidency continues to flail — to say nothing of if there’s a recession or a poorly managed foreign crisis — it’s easy to imagine a Democrat beating him in 2020 and entering office with massive congressional majorities, setting up, again, a period of sweeping progressive governance. The down-ballot gains could also lead to more Democratic statehouses before the next census, which would in turn mean less Republican gerrymandering and a significantly improved House outlook for Democrats through 2030.

The cultural forces Trump represents also seem weakened by his ascent. Opinions toward trade and immigration have swung sharply to the left since Trump’s election, and the acceptance of sexual harassment that Trump’s win seemed to suggest has been overwhelmed by the stunning power of the #MeToo movement.

Which is all to say that one lesson of the post-2004 moment is low ebbs in political power sometimes set up massive gains in political power, particularly when the governing party governs poorly. Just as Democrats regret Bush’s second term less, and Republicans regret it more, than either side expected at the time, the same could well prove true of Trump — particularly if the loathing he inspires among younger voters hardens into a persistent distaste for the GOP.

Another lesson is that the path back to power often looks very different from what the post-election analyses suggest. The Democrats agonizing over evangelical heartland voters and whether they had any candidates who looked natural holding a hunting rifle did not think their resurgence lay with a cosmopolitan, liberal African American whose name rhymed with “Osama.” But it did.

The same is true for Republicans who worried over Barack Obama’s victories and the rising Democratic majority. Readers of the GOP’s post-2012 “autopsy” report know that the party expected it would be a candidate with Marco Rubio’s profile that led them back to the majority. “We need to campaign among Hispanic, black, Asian, and gay Americans and demonstrate we care about them, too. We must recruit more candidates who come from minority communities,” warned the party that would soon nominate Donald Trump and win back the White House.

It’s a mistake to think that the only way to win an election is to win over your opponent’s coalition, rather than creating a new version of your own. For all the debates about the white working class and identity politics currently roiling the Democratic Party, my guess is if Democrats are successful in 2020, it will be with a candidate who transcends these arguments rather than one who embodies them.

But the most important lesson is that the story of American politics is ongoing and unpredictable. We tend to take elections as the closing of chapters, as statements about what America really believes and where we are truly going. Yet they’re anything but. In 2004, Democrats could not imagine where they would be in 2008. In 2014, no one believed Donald Trump would be president today — including Donald Trump. History shows American politics is often far from what it seems, and you don’t need to reach long into our past for examples.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics ... -analogies

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... guard-f-35

Trump first startled reporters with talk of an invisible plane in October, when he discussed the F-35 at a military briefing in hurricane-hit Puerto Rico.

“Amazing job,” Trump said then. “So amazing we are ordering hundreds of millions of dollars of new airplanes for the air force, especially the F-35. You like the F-35? ... You can’t see it. You literally can’t see it. It’s hard to fight a plane you can’t see.”

According to the pool report of the president’s Thanksgiving Day visit to Coast Guard Station Lake Worth Inlet, in Florida, Trump told his audience he had discussed the “invisible” plane with “some air force guys”. He asked them, he said, if it would perform in a dogfight like similar planes he had seen in movies.

“They said: ‘Well, it wins every time because the enemy cannot see it, even if it’s right next to it, it can’t see it,’” Trump said.

Koji kreten braco draga.

[sinuhe]

Nas Bill Clinton o ilegalnim imigrantima 1995: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4689871/ ... ts-america
Strasno je ovo.

All Americans, not only in the States most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. That's why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens. In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace as recommended by the commission headed by former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan. We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.

[drastic]

Nas Bill Clinton o ilegalnim imigrantima 1995: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4689871/ ... ts-america
Strasno je ovo.

All Americans, not only in the States most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. That's why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens. In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace as recommended by the commission headed by former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan. We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.

jesu bili mlladi sta ces mladost ludost

[sumirprimus]

hehe imam tanji tv

[raoul duke]

Nas Bill Clinton o ilegalnim imigrantima 1995: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4689871/ ... ts-america
Strasno je ovo.

All Americans, not only in the States most heavily affected but in every place in this country, are rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country. The jobs they hold might otherwise be held by citizens or legal immigrants. The public service they use impose burdens on our taxpayers. That's why our administration has moved aggressively to secure our borders more by hiring a record number of new border guards, by deporting twice as many criminal aliens as ever before, by cracking down on illegal hiring, by barring welfare benefits to illegal aliens. In the budget I will present to you, we will try to do more to speed the deportation of illegal aliens who are arrested for crimes, to better identify illegal aliens in the workplace as recommended by the commission headed by former Congresswoman Barbara Jordan. We are a nation of immigrants. But we are also a nation of laws. It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws we have seen in recent years, and we must do more to stop it.

Deportirati ilegalne imigirante, osigurati granice, drzava prava.. Interesanti su ti dupli arsini i licemjerstvo ljevice
Svejedno Presidente je tu, koga boli k za silovatelja i gospodju koja je sad vec dobro iskusna u gubljenju izbora..

[ultima_palabra]

Mescini da je aktuelni predsjednik silovatelj, ali mozda ti imas alternative facts...

[raoul duke]

Bit ce da ti imas "alternativne facts" jer da je tacno to sto navodis, predsjednik o kojem pisemo ne bi bio "aktuelni" vec davno impeachan.
Dakle ako ga vec prozivas tako, iznesi facts i pusti suplju..

[GandalfSivi]

Bit ce da ti imas "alternativne facts" jer da je tacno to sto navodis, predsjednik o kojem pisemo ne bi bio "aktuelni" vec davno impeachan.
Dakle ako ga vec prozivas tako, iznesi facts i pusti suplju..

14 zena ga optuzilo, ali eto jebiga, nema video snimka, ima samo audio gdje on sam priznaje napostovanja (zapravo dvije snimke). Koji bolid morasbiti da vjerujes da nije, mada vjerujem da vecina zna, ali ga jos vise podrzava zbog toga...

Pitanje, jesi li bolid ili ga jos vise volis jer znas da je istina?

[raoul duke]

14 zena ga optuzilo, ali eto jebiga, nema video snimka, ima samo audio gdje on sam priznaje napostovanja (zapravo dvije snimke). Koji bolid morasbiti da vjerujes da nije, mada vjerujem da vecina zna, ali ga jos vise podrzava zbog toga...

Pitanje, jesi li bolid ili ga jos vise volis jer znas da je istina?

Opusti se bolan, nema potrebe za vrijedjanjem.

Iznad je Trump prozvan silovateljom, za sto ne postoji niti jedan dokaz kao niti sudski proces. A prozivaju ga ljudi koji su stali na stranu osudjenog silovatelja.

To "napastvovanje" o kojem ti pricas je produkt PC kulture odnosno politicke korektnosti cije cemo plodove svi zajedno ubirati u nadolazecim godinama. Zahvalimo se uplakanoj ljevici.

[Fudo387]

hehe imam tanji tv

Mozda imas tanji tv, al’ na tvom ekranu nema app da gruhnes atomsku...eee.

[pirmin]

Ovaj Raul bas iskusno trola ovu temu.

[GandalfSivi]

14 zena ga optuzilo, ali eto jebiga, nema video snimka, ima samo audio gdje on sam priznaje napostovanja (zapravo dvije snimke). Koji bolid morasbiti da vjerujes da nije, mada vjerujem da vecina zna, ali ga jos vise podrzava zbog toga...

Pitanje, jesi li bolid ili ga jos vise volis jer znas da je istina?

Opusti se bolan, nema potrebe za vrijedjanjem.

Iznad je Trump prozvan silovateljom, za sto ne postoji niti jedan dokaz kao niti sudski proces. A prozivaju ga ljudi koji su stali na stranu osudjenog silovatelja.

To "napastvovanje" o kojem ti pricas je produkt PC kulture odnosno politicke korektnosti cije cemo plodove svi zajedno ubirati u nadolazecim godinama. Zahvalimo se uplakanoj ljevici.

Meni je ono sto ti zoves PC cisti common sense, ako levat kaze da "fata zene za picku", jer je bogat, to je napastovanje, ti ako smatras to normalnim, to kaze puno stvari o tebi, ne moram te ja ni zvati nikakvim imenima, sasvim si sebi dovoljan...

[GandalfSivi]

Ovaj Raul bas iskusno trola ovu temu.

Meni je to pravi fenomen. Isto kada likovi u PCu ili Srbiji podrzavaju Mladica, ono napravit ce sebe kretenima samo da pokazu podrsku. Ja podrzavam odredjene politicare, odredjene opcije, ali da mi je otac rodjeni, ne bih podrzao idiotizam, bez obzira o kojem kutku svijeta pricamo...

[Kikibombona]

Kako bizaran lik...

Sa ovim tvitovima i djecijim izjavama, pitam se, da li se zajebava ili je zaostao u razvoju,.....

Skloniji sam misliti da se zajebava i da sve ovo vidi kao jedan 'show'.

[Crvena Tifoza]

Izgleda Flynn propjevao.

[raoul duke]

14 zena ga optuzilo, ali eto jebiga, nema video snimka, ima samo audio gdje on sam priznaje napostovanja (zapravo dvije snimke). Koji bolid morasbiti da vjerujes da nije, mada vjerujem da vecina zna, ali ga jos vise podrzava zbog toga...

Pitanje, jesi li bolid ili ga jos vise volis jer znas da je istina?

Opusti se bolan, nema potrebe za vrijedjanjem.

Iznad je Trump prozvan silovateljom, za sto ne postoji niti jedan dokaz kao niti sudski proces. A prozivaju ga ljudi koji su stali na stranu osudjenog silovatelja.

To "napastvovanje" o kojem ti pricas je produkt PC kulture odnosno politicke korektnosti cije cemo plodove svi zajedno ubirati u nadolazecim godinama. Zahvalimo se uplakanoj ljevici.

Meni je ono sto ti zoves PC cisti common sense, ako levat kaze da "fata zene za picku", jer je bogat, to je napastovanje, ti ako smatras to normalnim, to kaze puno stvari o tebi, ne moram te ja ni zvati nikakvim imenima, sasvim si sebi dovoljan...

Slobodno koristi termine koji ti odgovaraju kako bi se izrazio, ne zamjerim ti.
Levat je to rekao u privatnom razgovoru a CNN se navukao kao muha na govno, jer nije imao drugog nacina da ga diskreditira.
Evo jos razvlace pricu o Rusiji, iako nema niti jednog dokaza.
PC kultura ce vam tamo zaciniti zivot pravo, samo polako

Najbitnije je ne zaboraviti, da su upravo Hillaryijini glasaci i sukob u DNC zasluzni za Trumpovu pobjedu. Tako da valja vam i stim zivjeti pored PC-a

Ovaj Raul bas iskusno trola ovu temu.

Pisem jos od pocetka americkih izbora, narocito o nekompetetnosti 2 kandidata u zavrsnici. Poenta je sloboda govora, drzava prava, Ustav i amandmani. Problem nastaje kad si neko daje za pravo da drugima namece svoje misljenje, bez obzira s koje strane to dolazilo. Razumljivo je da sam ti trol jer se ne slazes sa mojim misljenjem. Ljevica i MSM mediji idalje etiketiraju svako drugacije misljenje sa "rasist" "nazi" "troll".
Eh to je pravi non sense, sloboda govora i misljenja ponajmanje.

[GandalfSivi]

Rekao u privatnom razgovoru da "pridje zenama i uhvati ih za picku", ali se to ne pika, jer je privatni razgovor. Nevjerovatno. Rekao Howard Sternu da udje u dressing room gdje su sve gole, ali se ni to ne pika, jer ne znam, valjda sto se to ocekuje na njegovom programu. Zaboli me ba gdje je rekao i kako je rekao, meni u zivotu ne bi ni palo na pamet da tako sta uradim, a on je i uradio i pricao o tome.

[raoul duke]

meni u zivotu ne bi ni palo na pamet da tako sta uradim

Zato ti, tako fin i posten, nikad ni neces biti predsjednik

[jeza u ledja]

Kad procitah dvije recenice o Berniju dosta mi bilo.... Klintonisti, molim vas, ako vam je stalo do ove zemlje i do vrijednosti koje propagirati, povucite se negdje na jamaicu ili cancun, a ostavite nama novim snagama da popravljamo vase greske poput trumpa.

U tekstu u kojem ti je sve fino objasnjeno ti stajes nakon dvije recenice o Sandersu koje ti se nisu svidjele. To je definicija fraze da ne zelis cuti istinu.

Inace, sta, Ezra Klein je "Clintonista"? A jel?

[quote]Bernie Sanders is the Democrats’ real 2020 frontrunner:[/quote]
https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/88 ... 09?lang=en

Ili na primjer koji je jos u 2015 pisao:

Ezra Klein on "Bernie Sanders's Increasingly Serious Challenge to Hillary Clinton"

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2015/9 ... ry-Clinton

Sve ti je fino objasnjeno, kao sto rekoh. Clanak je vise nego briljantan i ne opisuje crno-bijelu sliku niti u uopste Clinton kampanju kao nesto pozitivino u stranci. Al ti ocigledno neces da procitas nista sto se ne slaze 100% sa tvojom verzijom dogadjaja, vec zatvori oci, prst u usi i sve vako:

[raoul duke]

Cuj Bernie Sanders za 2020, pa mogao je on biti i za 2016, samo ga sjebase Klingtonci i DNC. Kasno je sad, nema kajanja poslije j

Dobar je taj u komentarima "I'd be happier if the Clinton crime family got out of politics and the rest of the Democrats backed Bernie on single payer."

[Pandakonda]

Bernie bi svakako propao kasnije jer nije bio energičan kandidat, pa čovjek je pustio da mu neke dvije cure uzmu mikrofon usred govora, pa halo čovječe ti si kandidat za predsjednika i da tebi samo tako neko uzme podijum Druga stvar amerikanci su alergični na sve što je crveno (komunizam, socijalizam) tako da ne vidim da bi i po tom pitanju daleko dogurao. A i izgubio je dosta kredibiliteta kad je tokom kampanje kritikvao Clinton pa je na kraju podržao

[jeza u ledja]

Bernie bi svakako propao kasnije jer nije bio energičan kandidat, pa čovjek je pustio da mu neke dvije cure uzmu mikrofon usred govora, pa halo čovječe ti si kandidat za predsjednika i da tebi samo tako neko uzme podijum Druga stvar amerikanci su alergični na sve što je crveno (komunizam, socijalizam) tako da ne vidim da bi i po tom pitanju daleko dogurao. A i izgubio je dosta kredibiliteta kad je tokom kampanje kritikvao Clinton pa je na kraju podržao

Cuj Sanders nije enegrican. On je epitom energicnosti.
Neki Amerikanci jesu alergicni na sve sto je crveno, ali ovih drugih je sve vise. Socijalizam nije vise tabu tema. Ironija je u tome sto Sanders iako nije mogao uzeti Clintonovu u predizborima da bi vjerovatno pomeo pod Trumpom u generalnim.
Sto se tice zadnje recenice, pa mozda, ali je isto tako dobio na kredibilitetu kod mnogo drugih jer je pokazao da je timski igrac.

Inace, slazem se sa postovima iznad da se nadam da ce se Clintonovi najzad povuci i da nas nece smarati novim House of Cards semama. Iskreno se nadam da im ne pada na pamet jos jedna luzerska kampanja.
A sad, ko ce ih zamjeniti, da li ce Sanders jos uvijek biti aktuelan za 2 godine, kao kandidat, ko ce jos tu izletiti, jos je rano, i mozda je cak i dobro sto se jos uvijek ne naziru neka imena.

[Velkoski]

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/29/polit ... index.html

[jeza u ledja]

Pocetak kraja Trumpa???

Flynn je propjevao! Za smanjenu kaznu, priznao je da ga je Trump licno ovlasto da razgovara sa Rusima. Da ovo nije mala stvar pokazuje reakcija wall streeta gdje je dow u jednom trenutku pao i 200, a na dan kad se ocekuju dobre vijesti za big business (tax reforma).

Nisam advokat, ali cini mi se laicki da Mueller sada ima dovoljno materijala da digne optuznicu protiv Trumpa.

Gdje si procitao to da ga je Trump licno ovlastio da razgovara s Rusima? Nisam upratio taj detalj.

A mislim da se protiv Trumpa ne moze podici optuznica, tj. ima imunitet.