Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!

[insomnia78]

Gaza danas



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[Grover]

Adri Nieuwhof:What would you like to say to introduce yourself to EI’s readers?

Hajo Meyer: I had to quit grammar school in Bielefeld after the Kristallnacht [the two-day pogrom against Jews in Nazi Germany], in November 1938. It was a terrible experience for an inquisitive boy and his parents. Therefore, I can fully identify with the Palestinian youth that are hampered in their education. And I can in no way identify with the criminals who make it impossible for Palestinian youth to be educated.

AN: What motivated you to write your book, The End of Judaism?

HM: In the past, the European media have written extensively about extreme right-wing politicians like Joerg Haider in Austria and Jean-Marie Le Pen in France. But when Ariel Sharon was elected [prime minister] in Israel in 2001, the media remained silent. But in the 1980s I understood the deeply fascist thinking of these politicians. With the book I wanted to distance myself from this. I was raised in Judaism with the equality of relationships among human beings as a core value. I only learned about nationalist Judaism when I heard settlers defend their harassment of Palestinians in interviews. When a publisher asked me to write about my past, I decided to write this book, in a way, to deal with my past. People of one group who dehumanize people who belong to another group can do this, because they either have learned to do so from their parents, or they have been brainwashed by their political leaders. This has happened for decades in Israel in that they manipulate the Holocaust for their political aims. In the long-run the country is destructing itself this way by inducing their Jewish citizens to become paranoid. In 2005 [then Prime Minister Ariel] Sharon illustrated this by saying in the Knesset [the Israeli parliament], we know we cannot trust anyone, we only can trust ourselves. This is the shortest possible definition of somebody who suffers from clinical paranoia. One of the major annoyances in my life is that Israel by means of trickery calls itself a Jewish state, while in fact it is Zionist. It wants the maximum territory with a minimum number of Palestinians. I have four Jewish grandparents. I am an atheist. I share the Jewish socio-cultural inheritance and I have learned about Jewish ethics. I don’t wish to be represented by a Zionist state. They have no idea about the Holocaust. They use the Holocaust to implant paranoia in their children.

AN: In your book you write about the lessons you have learned from your past. Can you explain how your past influenced your perception of Israel and Palestine?

HM: I have never been a Zionist. After the war, Zionist Jews spoke about the miracle of having “our own country.” As a confirmed atheist I thought, if this is a miracle by God, I wished that he had performed the smallest miracle imaginable by creating the state 15 years earlier. Then my parents would not have been dead.

I can write up an endless list of similarities between Nazi Germany and Israel. The capturing of land and property, denying people access to educational opportunities and restricting access to earn a living to destroy their hope, all with the aim to chase people away from their land. And what I personally find more appalling then dirtying one’s hands by killing people, is creating circumstances where people start to kill each other. Then the distinction between victims and perpetrators becomes faint. By sowing discord in a situation where there is no unity, by enlarging the gap between people — like Israel is doing in Gaza.

AN: In your book you write about the role of Jews in the peace movement in and outside Israel, and Israeli army refuseniks. How do you value their contribution?

HM: Of course it is positive that parts of the Jewish population of Israel try to see Palestinians as human beings and as their equals. However, it disturbs me how paper-thin the number is that protests and is truly anti-Zionist. We get worked up by what happened in Hitler’s Germany. If you expressed only the slightest hint of criticism at that time, you ended up in the Dachau concentration camp. If you expressed criticism, you were dead. Jews in Israel have democratic rights. They can protest in the streets, but they don’t.

AN: Can you comment on the news that Israeli ministers approved a draft law banning commemoration of the Nakba, or the dispossession of historic Palestine? The law proposes punishment of up to three years in prison.

HM: It is so racist, so dreadful. I am at a loss for words. It is an expression of what we already know. [The Israeli Nakba commemoration organization] Zochrot was founded to counteract Israeli efforts to wipe out the marks that are a reminder of Palestinian life. To forbid Palestinians to publicly commemorate the Nakba. … they cannot act in a more Nazi-like, fascist way. Maybe it will help to awaken the world.

AN: What are your plans for the future?

HM: [Laughs] Do you know how old I am? I am almost 85 years old. I always say cynically and with self-mockery that I have a choice: either I am always tired because I want to do so much, or I am going to sit still waiting for the time to go by. Well, I plan to be tired, because I have still so much to say.

http://electronicintifada.net/content/a ... youth/8268

[Grover]

Izraelski premijer Benjamin Netanjahu pozvao je u nedelju stanovništvo Gaze da napusti svako mesto u kojem se nalaze pripadnici palestinskog radikalnog pokreta Hamas.


"Pozivam sve stanovnike Gaze da odmah napuste mesta koja Hamas koristi za svoje terorističke aktivnosti. Za nas svako to mesto predstavlja metu", rekao je Netanjahu i dodao da će Izrael nastaviti svoju vojnu operaciju "dokle god to bude bilo potrebno".

Prethodno je u vazdušnim napadima Izraela na pojas Gaze, sravnjena sa zemljom sedmospratna poslovna zgrada u južnom delu grada Rafa. To je saopštila policija u pojasu Gaze i dodala da je teško oštećen i dvospratni komercijalni centar u kome se nalaze na desetine prodavnica.

U sedmospratnici je bilo sedište ministarstva unutrašnjih poslova koje vodi militantni pokret Hamas. Za sada nema izveštaja o žrtvama u tom napadu, ali policija navodi da je sedam ljudi ranjeno u bombardovanju tržnog centra.

Bolnički izvori su naveli da je dvoje ljudi ubijeno, a petoro ranjeno u odvojenom vazdušnom napadu, izvedenom u zapadnom delu grada Gaze.


Poslednji napadi su usledili svega nekoliko sati nakon što je Izrael u gradu Gazi srušio dvanaestospratnu zgradu u kojoj je bilo 48 stanova. Agencije javljaju da su u tom napadu povređene najmanje 22 osobe, među kojima i jedanaestoro dece. Izrael je saopštio da su cilj bile prostorije Hamasa, odnosno operativni centar te militantne organizacije koji se, kako su naveli, nalazi u toj zgradi. Policija u Gazi je rekla da je izraelski avion prvo ispalio raketu upozorenja u pravcu zgrade, a pet minuta kasnije i dve rakete sa eksplozivom.

U međuvremenu, izraelska vojska je saopštila da je sa teritorije Sirije ispaljeno pet raketa na Golanske Visoravni.

Abas i El Sisi: Hitno naći rešenje

Usled signala koji ukazuju na dalju eskalaciju nasilja, Egipat je apelovao na obe strane da u Kairu nastave započete, indirektne razgovore o prekidu vatre. Predsednik Palestine Mahmud Abas je nakon sastanka sa predsedinkom Egipta Fatahom el Sisijem u Kairu, rekao da se pod hitno mora naći rešenje za obustavljanje nasilja.
Mahmud AbasMahmud Abas

“Da li ćemo nastaviti da na svake dve godine imamo nove napade na Gazu ili druge obasti poput Zapadne Obale? Mora postojati finalno rešenje! Mora se naći predlog jasnog, finalnog rešenja. Saglasili smo se sa predsednikom Sisijem o parametrima takvog rešenja, kao i da ono bude predstavljeno svim stranama u cilju najbržeg mogućeg postizanja rešenja”, rekao je Abas.

Pregovori o trajnijem primirju u kojima posreduje Egipat, ranije su ove nedelje međutim doživeli su krah.

Više od 2.100 Palestinaca poginulo je od 8. jula kada je izraelska vojska pokrenula operaciju na pojas Gaze, koji je pod kontrolom militantnog Hamasa. Sa izraelske strane ima 68 žrtava - 64 vojnika i četiri civila.

http://www.slobodnaevropa.org/content/i ... 47397.html

[Avetinho]

Evo cak i Grover vidi kako je Hamas sjebo palestinsku stvar. Palestincima nista drugo ne preostaje nego do jos jednom bjeze, ovaj put zbog Hamasa. Tacno da zakljucis da je Hamas Izraelski saveznik. Kome trebaju neprijatelji kad imamo Hamas.

[MOSALJOZE]

Pitam se Bože,šta su ova djeca skrivila.Danas je kompletna porodica ubijena,ali ono što najviše boli jeste ubijanje djece,a svijet šuti i dalje.
@Avetinho,ok hamas je kriv,ali zašto bi Palestinci bježali iz svoje zemlje,i na kraju krajeva gdje bi to oni mogli pobjeći?

[romeomoraprezivjeti]

Pitam se Bože,šta su ova djeca skrivila.Danas je kompletna porodica ubijena,ali ono što najviše boli jeste ubijanje djece,a svijet šuti i dalje.
@Avetinho,ok hamas je kriv,ali zašto bi Palestinci bježali iz svoje zemlje,i na kraju krajeva gdje bi to oni mogli pobjeći?

U iritreji je ubijeno 2 milioba tucija za par mjeseci. Ovaj ISIL je do sad vise ubio muslimana nego izrael u zadnjih za sve ove godine.

Seljacino,kakva iritreja????

[Itakoto]

Eh i vi trazite dlaku u jajetu. Covjek malo pobrkao loncice sa "Iritrejom", Ruandom, Tutsi i Hutu... k'o da je vazno. Bitna je izjava da Izrael moze nastaviti sa ubijanjem Palestinaca dok ne dostigne brojku masakriranih u genocidu pocinjenom na pripadnicima plemena Tutsi.

[gepard_]

Pitam se Bože,šta su ova djeca skrivila.Danas je kompletna porodica ubijena,ali ono što najviše boli jeste ubijanje djece,a svijet šuti i dalje.
@Avetinho,ok hamas je kriv,ali zašto bi Palestinci bježali iz svoje zemlje,i na kraju krajeva gdje bi to oni mogli pobjeći?

U iritreji je ubijeno 2 milioba tucija za par mjeseci. Ovaj ISIL je do sad vise ubio muslimana nego izrael u zadnjih za sve ove godine.

Seljacino,kakva iritreja????

pravi se blesav zna on napisati pravilno

[gepard_]

Eh i vi trazite dlaku u jajetu. Covjek malo pobrkao loncice sa "Iritrejom", Ruandom, Tutsi i Hutu... k'o da je vazno. Bitna je izjava da Izrael moze nastaviti sa ubijanjem Palestinaca dok ne dostigne brojku masakriranih u genocidu pocinjenom na pripadnicima plemena Tutsi.

procitaj dva puta post i vidjeces da se pravi nevjest , tuci milioba ...namjerno pravi greske .
ps onaj ko zna quran napamet ne bi slucajno napisao tuci itrteja i sl .

pps da sumnja u svoje znanje pisao bi copy paste kao do sada

[Avetinho]

Pitam se Bože,šta su ova djeca skrivila.Danas je kompletna porodica ubijena,ali ono što najviše boli jeste ubijanje djece,a svijet šuti i dalje.
@Avetinho,ok hamas je kriv,ali zašto bi Palestinci bježali iz svoje zemlje,i na kraju krajeva gdje bi to oni mogli pobjeći?

Bjeze da ne bi izginuli. Da li imaju gdje pobjeci? Sve manje i manje.

Valjda je dosad svakom jasno da Hamas drzi politicki monopol u Gazi. Dok god je tako, Hamas ce tvrditi kako je legitimni predstavnik palestinskog naroda u Gazi, a dok god je tako, svaki put ce u sukobu ispastati palestinski narod. Ne znam sta nije jasno.

[Itakoto]

Hamas je demokratski izabran od Palestinaca u Gazi. Nema se sta predstavljati kao legitimni predstavnik naroda u Gazi kad oni to jesu.

[AleksoMKD]

[Avetinho]

Hamas je demokratski izabran od Palestinaca u Gazi. Nema se sta predstavljati kao legitimni predstavnik naroda u Gazi kad oni to jesu.

Pa to sam isto i ja rekao. Dok god je Hamas legitimni predstavnik palestinskog naroda u Gazi, taj ce narod trpiti posljedice nepremostivih razlika izmedju Izraela i Hamasa.

[iceman2010]

Hamas je demokratski izabran od Palestinaca u Gazi. Nema se sta predstavljati kao legitimni predstavnik naroda u Gazi kad oni to jesu.

Pa to sam isto i ja rekao. Dok god je Hamas legitimni predstavnik palestinskog naroda u Gazi, taj ce narod trpiti posljedice nepremostivih razlika izmedju Izraela i Hamasa.

U prevodu, palestinci su krivi jer im izrael ubija djecu. Izasli su na izbore i glasali.

[Avetinho]

Hamas je demokratski izabran od Palestinaca u Gazi. Nema se sta predstavljati kao legitimni predstavnik naroda u Gazi kad oni to jesu.

Pa to sam isto i ja rekao. Dok god je Hamas legitimni predstavnik palestinskog naroda u Gazi, taj ce narod trpiti posljedice nepremostivih razlika izmedju Izraela i Hamasa.

U prevodu, palestinci su krivi jer im izrael ubija djecu. Izasli su na izbore i glasali.

Nazalost, tako ispada. Izasli na izbore i glasali za Hamas. Glasali su oni i za Fatah, ali su nakon izbora mnogi Fatahovci bez krila letjeli sa visespratnica u Gazi.

Hamasov cilj, i u Statutu i u praksi, je unistenje Izraela. Kako god nakaradna drzava bio, sumnjam da ce Izrael sjediti skrstenih ruku i posmatrati kako ga Hamas unistava.

[Cyrax]

U postu iznad jadan primjer IDF propagande. Nadmasuje Bibijeve crteze

[Avetinho]

U postu iznad jadan primjer IDF propagande. Nadmasuje Bibijeve crteze

Zijev.

Sve sto se ne uklapa u tvoju jednodimenzionalnu sliku svijeta je IDF propaganda.

Evo sta o tome misli glasnogovornik Hamasa:

Hamas and Israel Agree to Extended Gaza Cease-Fire
Shouts of “God is great” rang out from mosque loudspeakers across Gaza City, as people fired gunshots into the air to celebrate.

“We declare the victory of the Palestinian resistance, the victory of Gaza,” Sami Abu Zuhri, a spokesman for the militant Hamas movement that dominates Gaza and led the Palestinian militants’ operation, announced at a news conference at Al Shifa Hospital in Gaza City.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/27/world ... .html?_r=0

Ako ovi ludjaci misle da je ovo pobjeda, na sta li im onda poraz lici? Porusena naselja, pobijen narod.

Hajd, bar se ne puca.

[Bosanac sa dna kace]

...a kako ono idje ona prica o Davidu i Golijatu?

[Kat]

In Israel's war planning, the Dahiya doctrine refers to Israel's intentional and massive killing of civilians and destruction of civilian villages, the intentional disproportionate use of force constituting collective punishment of a population. Dahiya plan leaves no doubt, none, that it involves the knowing and intentional commission in carrying out of war crimes. The killing of civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure, whether in Lebanon then or Gaza today, is no mistake.

[Kat]

Transcript videa

JESSICA DESVARIEUX, TRNN PRODUCER: Welcome to The Real News Network. I'm Jessica Desvarieux in Baltimore. And welcome to this edition of The Ratner Report.

Now joining us is Michael Ratner. He's the president emeritus of the Center for Constitutional Rights, and he's a regular contributor to The Real News.

Thanks for joining us, Michael.

MICHAEL RATNER, PRESIDENT EMERITUS, CENTER FOR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS: Good to be with you today, Jessica.

DESVARIEUX: So, Michael, what are you working on this week?

RATNER: You know, this week, of course, I think a lot of us are concerned by many issues, from the Middle East to Ferguson. And I've been focusing mostly on Gaza and the Israeli assault. And I wanted to bring to the viewers' attention a doctrine and an Israeli practice that probably a lot of people are not familiar with. I'd like to call this segment Gaza, the Dahiya doctrine, WikiLeaks, and Julian Assange. And they're all related.

Most of us probably have never heard of what Israeli generals call the Dahiya doctrine--that's D-A-H-I-Y-A. I only know it because WikiLeaks exposed it in the cable, a United States State Department cable from 2008, that summarized an Israeli general's statement on approved war plans, the plans that were used in Lebanon in 2006 in the Israeli war against Lebanon and are to be used in the future. Dahiya, which is the name of the doctrine, refers to a civilian neighborhood of Beirut that was leveled, utterly destroyed by Israel in the Second Lebanon War in 2006. In Israel's war planning, the Dahiya doctrine refers to Israel's intentional and massive killing of civilians and destruction of civilian villages, the intentional disproportionate use of force constituting collective punishment of a population. Dahiya plan leaves no doubt, none, that it involves the knowing and intentional commission in carrying out of war crimes. The killing of civilians and destroying civilian infrastructure, whether in Lebanon then or Gaza today, is no mistake. It's on purpose, a purpose that is flagrantly illegal under the Geneva Conventions. Israeli soldiers, Israeli leaders, and Israeli generals could be tried for the crimes that the Germans were tried for in Nuremberg, for carrying out the intentional killing of civilians, destruction of civilian infrastructure.

When you look at the continued war and devastation in Gaza today, we're seeing the manifestation of the Dahiya doctrine. It's carried out to its barbaric extreme. Israel attacks Gaza from the air, the sea, and the ground with a force that is meant to obliterate civilians and destroy Gaza. It's carrying out the Dahiya plan. The figures are astoundingly awful. These are from the Palestine Committee on Human Rights in Gaza. Two thousand eighty-six Palestinians killed as of August to 21, three-quarters (75 percent) civilians--that's 1,602 out of those 2,000 killed were civilians, one out of every thousand people in Gaza. Almost 25 percent of them were children, almost 500, 494. People should be screaming about this. Ten thousand wounded, mostly civilians, one out of every 200 people in Gaza. And this just today from United Nations: 350,000 people displaced out of their homes, homeless in what was already an outdoor refugee camp. UN spokesperson Pernille Ironside said that it was going to take 18 years to rebuild the housing in Gaza. Think about that--18 years. And that's if they ever get the materials to rebuild it, which the Israelis don't allow in. It was dire before this recent onslaught for children. Half of Gaza's population our children, half of the 1.8 million people. They've grown up with trauma of war, devastation, killing of their families and relatives.

The purpose, of course, of what Israel is doing is to try and end resistance to the occupation. You can see by the fact they've had to go to war every few years against the people of Gaza and other occupied territories that the resistance will not stop. What they're doing makes the resistance even stronger. But perhaps the hopes of Israel are to make Gaza uninhabitable over the years to drive the Gazans out.

I want to read some of the key parts of the WikiLeaks-released cable about the Dahiya doctrine, because it really fits exactly with what Israel is doing in Gaza, an open and notorious admission by Israel of a plan to commit war crimes. I don't want there to be any doubt about it. That was the plan, and that's what is happening. It's a cable from Israel, the U.S. embassy in Tel Aviv. And it's not like the U.S. wasn't put on notice. This is in 2008. Joint Chiefs of Staff got the cable, National Security Council, secretary of defense, and secretary of state. All our officials know about this Dahiya doctrine plan to commit war crimes. Here is the quote from an Israeli general discussing the Dahiya doctrine. His name is General Eizenkot. He labeled an Israeli response to resumed conflict the Dahiya doctrine in reference to the leveled Dahiya quarter in Beirut during the Second Lebanon War in 2006. Eisenkot, the general, made very clear this is not a recommendation of what Israel should do, but an already approved plan to use disproportionate force. From the Israeli perspective, he says, these are not civilian villages; they are military bases. But of course that's a complete falsification. They're civilian villages, and the plan is completely and utterly illegal. It's an admission of a clear war crime, disproportionate. That is the plan, and that is the plan carried out as we speak, as we speak now, by Israel in Gaza.

The question is: how can the world stand by, how can the U.S. and our Congress continue to fund a government that openly admits it will commit war crimes and is committing some and is committing them? By doing so, there's no doubt the U.S. is aiding and abetting war crimes. The U.S. Congress, by continuing to fund that war and to fund Israel, is itself aiding and abetting war crimes. It's not hidden. We can't say we did not know.

Finally, what of Julian Assange and WikiLeaks, who gave us this incredible and valuable information? If you want to understand why the U.S. is going after Julian Assange and WikiLeaks, it's because of exposures of government criminality like this. Julian Assange remains in the Ecuador embassy in London two years since grant of asylum by Ecuador. Why? Why? Because the U.S. is still the bear in the room. The U.S. is still openly investigating Julian Assange and WikiLeaks under its Criminal Division and its National Security Division. They have said so in legal papers filed with courts.

The other day, Julian Assange in an interview at the embassy said he would be leaving soon. Some people called me and said, Michael, is he just walking out? The answer is no. The U.S. still says that Julian Assange is subject to arrest if he leaves the embassy. But there have been positive changes that make us hopeful that he can get to Ecuador soon in the exercise of his right to asylum.

First there was a change in the U.K. law on extradition. No longer would Julian Assange be ordered extradited to Sweden if he were to appear before an English court today. But the British refuse to apply that new law to Julian Assange. What they look to me is like utterly vindictive. Why aren't they applying the new law to Julian Assange? No one else would be extradited under the circumstances Julian Assange was, allegations, not charges. But for some reason they remain adamant about extraditing Julian Assange to Sweden, which we believe, I believe is a one-way ticket to prosecution and a prison in the United States.

In Sweden, Julian Assange's lawyers filed a lawsuit on the failure to question Julian Assange after four years. Fifty-nine legal organizations have filed complaints against the Swedish judicial system in the UN calling, really, that system almost medieval in its so-called justice system.

So we are hopeful. And if there is justice--and I think there is if we fight for it--Julian will be free and Israeli generals carrying out the Dahiya doctrine, those officials will be in the dock, not Julian Assange.

DESVARIEUX: Alright. Michael Ratner, thank you so much for joining us.

RATNER: Thank you for having me on The Real News.

[Avetinho]

Gaza ceasefire takes effect as Palestinians celebrate

Minutes before the Egyptian-brokered truce began at 1600 GMT (12.00 noon EDT), a rocket fired by Palestinian militants killed one person in an Israeli kibbutz, or collective farm, near the Gaza border, police said.

http://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/i ... 1320140826

E sta kaze idiot, mora on jos jednu ispalit.

[iceman2010]

Nazalost, tako ispada. Izasli na izbore i glasali za Hamas. Glasali su oni i za Fatah, ali su nakon izbora mnogi Fatahovci bez krila letjeli sa visespratnica u Gazi.

Hamasov cilj, i u Statutu i u praksi, je unistenje Izraela. Kako god nakaradna drzava bio, sumnjam da ce Izrael sjediti skrstenih ruku i posmatrati kako ga Hamas unistava.

Aman unisti ih hamas. Eno sruseno pola Izraela. Koja suplja. I sada je znaci legitimno pravo Izraela da im ubija djecu? Reci mi molim te u kojoj literaturi si to procitao? Teroriziranje civila kao odgovor na demokratske izbore. Zanimljivo razmisljanje. I bez obzira sta pise u tom statutu to ne opravdava namjerno ubijanje djece. Taman da si hiljadu posto u pravu, sve i da nisi agresor i okupator nemas pravo ubijati neciju djecu. Jel tebi ovo jasno? Ako nije da prestanem da se trudim?! A statut, ko statut ne moze biti izgovor za agresiju. Opravdanje za upotrebusile moze biti samo upotreba sile sa druge strane. Treba li napomenuti da palestinci imaju pravo da se brane?

[insomnia78]

A kad kidnapuju i ubiju tri civila?
A kad prekrse primirje ispaljivanjem neke glupe raketice, i jos pricaju o nekoj pobjedi?
Rat je rat i u svakom ratu nazalost ginu civili
Izrael je prekrsio citav niz konvecija ali nije ni palestinsko, a posebno ne Hamasovo, maslo za ramazana


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[iceman2010]

A kad kidnapuju i ubiju tri civila?
A kad prekrse primirje ispaljivanjem neke glupe raketice, i jos pricaju o nekoj pobjedi?
Rat je rat i u svakom ratu nazalost ginu civili
Izrael je prekrsio citav niz konvecija ali nije ni palestinsko, a posebno ne Hamasovo, maslo za ramazana


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A kada izrael na cistu miru ubije dva palestinca? Haj mi reci sta bi bio adekvatan odgovor? Dici autobus djece u zrak? Ili je malo jedan. Ne moze 500-600 djece stati u jedan autobus. Koja glupost pravdati ubijanje djece jednim cinom nasilja. Kakvo razmisljanje. Sjajno! Izrael je imao sve resurse da nadje i kazni odgovorne. Naravno svoje vojnike za dva ubijena tinejdjera nece ganjati. Oni mogu da ubijaju palestinsku djecu ko kerove, bez povoda. Ali kada stradaju tri izraelska mladica e to je tragedija koja zahtjeva hapsenje 1000 ljudi uz ubistvo desetak i pokretanje zracnih napada na gazu. Ah, da! To sto je gaza godinama konc logor, to nista. Malo hrane na kalorije i to.... Ma to nije strasno.

[iceman2010]

A ovo rat je i u ratu ginu civili je jadan pokusaj odbrane izraela za namjerno ubijanje civila, prije svega djece.