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#110276 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 27/03/2018 16:19
by muhafuca
sarajevoxxxx wrote:
muhafuca wrote:
Ono sto kazu - "tako blizu a tako daleko"

Nije to njima nova situacija - godinama su sjedili u Damasku - mogli su gledat predsjednicku palacu s prozora a nista nisu bili sposobni uraditi po tom pitanju.

Ne vidim neke razlike sada u tome sto s prozora mogu gledati Nubl i Zahru.

Al hajde ti si im ocrtao strategiju sad bumo vidjeli hoce li te ispostovati.
Režimske milicije iz Nubl i Zehra vrlo dobro znaju da nije isto imati tampon zonu gdje su Kurdi i sada kada su sa tri strane u okruženju gdje ima na desetine hiljada boraca FSA među kojima je dobar dio onih koji su stradali upravo od tih šiitskih milicija.

Što se tiče primjera koji si naveo sličan je samo po udaljenosti, i nikakve druge sličnosti nema.

Udaljenost od baze u Halebu i okruženje šiitskih milicija sa tri strane sa jedne, i svježa vojska, sa neograničenom opremom, ljudstvom, i daleko brojnija sa druge.

U Damasku sve suprotno. Obruč, iscrpljenost, totalno okruženi, a ovi drugi sve imaju.

Ono što su borci FSA u Doumi to su šiitske milicije u Nubl i Zehra. Imaju taj koridor sa Halebom, ali to je skoro pa nebitno u trenutnom omjeru snaga.

Efrin je njih ipak dobro štitio.
Znaci gotovo je - da Nubl i Zahru prekrizimo - jel Alep odmah iza toga - ili ce se to ipak malo ozbiljnije pripremiti?

Revolucija nikad jaca :thumbup:

#110277 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 27/03/2018 16:39
by sarajevoxxxx
Vjerovatno uskoro na red dolazi i Menbedž, pa Tel Ebjed, i ostalo.

#110278 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 27/03/2018 16:41
by DuckZz
Bajram Al Quds-u abd

#110279 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 27/03/2018 16:45
by Kikibombona
DaysleepeR wrote:Ono što amerika radi dok je u savezništvu sa nekim, je da im otvara granice, ne vidim da se kurdi naseljavaju u Rusiji
Kurda nema puno u Americi, svega 20 000. I u 90% slucajeva se radi o iranskim Kurdima, politickim protivnicama iranskog teokratskog rezima.

U Rusiji prema popisu zivi 63 000 Kurda. Dakle, tri puta vise nego u Americi.

Amerika uopste nije privlacna Kurdima, sa izuzetkom iranskih Kurda, koji rado idu u Ameriku radi zajednickog neprijateljstva prema rezimu ajatolaha i mula.

Iracki, sirijski i turski Kurdi idu u Evropu.

#110280 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 27/03/2018 16:47
by The 51st State
sa fsa na istocnoj obali eufrata isti postaju nezaobilazni faktor za neke mirovje pregovore i posluzice za discipliniranje asadovog ludila u procesu, dvije od cetiri strane sile bi bile zadovoljene sa tim razvojem dogadjaja.

#110281 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 27/03/2018 16:52
by DaysleepeR
Kikibombona wrote:
DaysleepeR wrote:Ono što amerika radi dok je u savezništvu sa nekim, je da im otvara granice, ne vidim da se kurdi naseljavaju u Rusiji
Kurda nema puno u Americi, svega 20 000. I u 90% slucajeva se radi o iranskim Kurdima, politickim protivnicama iranskog teokratskog rezima.

U Rusiji prema popisu zivi 63 000 Kurda. Dakle, tri puta vise nego u Americi.

Amerika uopste nije privlacna Kurdima, sa izuzetkom iranskih Kurda, koji rado idu u Ameriku radi zajednickog neprijateljstva prema rezimu ajatolaha i mula.

Iracki, sirijski i turski Kurdi idu u Evropu.
taman, ima ambasada za napasti.

kurdi su novi talibani, pazi šta ti kažem, nisu imali ni pola pomoći koliko su talibani za vrijeme rata protiv USSR.

pogledaj malo film http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472062/?re ... lmg_prd_37 tako ti sada izgleda naoružavanje kurda, tako USA funkcioniše, trenutni interes, lobiranje i onda ćao đaci, e tad saveznik postane neprijatelj. naravno film je romantiučna verzija stvarnih događaja, zvuči li poznato:
This film is unbelievably biased. It is pure anti-Soviet cold-war drivel and it is historically inaccurate. Robert Gates says that the CIA began giving aid to Islamic fighters in Afghanistan months **before** the Soviet invasion. Jimmy Carter signed an order on July 3, 1979 to give aid to the Mujahedeen. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap. "The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border," Zbigniew wrote to President Carter, ...we gave to the USSR its Vietnam War". Charlie Wilson's importance is wildly blown way out of proportion. The real-life Wilson had always been a right wing government good-old-boy who liked war. He was a commie-hating cold-war warrior. In the film we are lead to think that Wilson was simply a good time loving, womanizing, good old boy Congressman that never really grew up until he saw in person poor Afghan refugees: themselves poorly drawn caricatures of Afghan citizens. At this moment in the film Wilson changed and found a righteous cause. Born again Charlie!! Pure Hollywood nonsense! The real Wilson was not a nice guy. He was a friend of Nicaraguan tyrant Anastasio Samoza. Wilson's buddy in the movie (Philip Seymour Hoffman's character) is based on the CIA operative Gust Avrakotos. Army colonels led a coup in Greece in the 1960s; Avrakotos was the CIA main contact with the totally horrible fascist regime. Avrakotos fled Greece in the late 70s, with a very nasty reputation. The consequences of this cold war game are ignored by this crappy Hollywood movie. The weapons the U.S. supplied the Mujahedeen were used to wage a lengthy, bloody civil war in Afghanistan. Reagan's claim that the Afghan fighters were the moral equivalent of America's founding fathers is absurd. More brainless propaganda. Half the CIA money went to the monster Gulbaddin Hekmatyar, who in his youth threw acid in the face of an unveiled women. The CIA and US government would ally with anybody against the USSR. The terrorists received Stinger missiles, US Army training, and lots of money. The Taliban and the group that came to be known as Al-Qaida came from the Afghan civil war and were taught by the USA how to fight. There was little real concern for the fate of Afghanistan and its people. Washington never cared about the Afghan people in the first place ... and they still don't care. They are just pawns in The Great Game. The movie is a formulaic cliché, with it's warped fixation on the importance of the individual and its disregard for facts. Most Americans -- and reviewers here -- apparently take movies like this seriously, but this kind of crap makes the USA a joke to the rest of the world.

#110282 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 27/03/2018 17:01
by Kikibombona
Zanimljivo je primjetiti da pro-KDP mediji poput Kurdistan24 i Rudaw udaraju teskom artiljerijom po Turcima, vise nego PUK i Gorran mediji koji su tradicionalno neprijateljski raspolozeni prema Turcima. Kurdistan24 i Rudaw su direktno pod kontrolom KDP i Barzanija.

Renomirani clanovi KDP na drustvenim mrezama otvoreno i zestoko kritikuju Tursku i prisivaju im najgore optuzbe. Sami simpatizeri KDP, odgovorno tvrdim, mrze Tursku vise nego simpatizeri PKK. Kod PKK nema rasizma prema turskom narodu, kod KDP i drugih nacionalista nazalost ima. Pripadnici KDP redovno Turke nazivaju Mongolima dok to istinski PKK-aovac nikada nece uraditi.

https://mobile.twitter.com/k24english

https://mobile.twitter.com/RudawEnglish ... 8540101632

KDP je imao partnerske odnose sa AKP rezimom i to je sve. Medjusobno se ne podnose. Turci ne mogu smisliti nijednu kurdsku politicku partiju.

#110283 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 27/03/2018 17:06
by Kikibombona
DaysleepeR wrote:
Kikibombona wrote:
DaysleepeR wrote:Ono što amerika radi dok je u savezništvu sa nekim, je da im otvara granice, ne vidim da se kurdi naseljavaju u Rusiji
Kurda nema puno u Americi, svega 20 000. I u 90% slucajeva se radi o iranskim Kurdima, politickim protivnicama iranskog teokratskog rezima.

U Rusiji prema popisu zivi 63 000 Kurda. Dakle, tri puta vise nego u Americi.

Amerika uopste nije privlacna Kurdima, sa izuzetkom iranskih Kurda, koji rado idu u Ameriku radi zajednickog neprijateljstva prema rezimu ajatolaha i mula.

Iracki, sirijski i turski Kurdi idu u Evropu.
taman, ima ambasada za napasti.

kurdi su novi talibani, pazi šta ti kažem, nisu imali ni pola pomoći koliko su talibani za vrijeme rata protiv USSR.

pogledaj malo film http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0472062/?re ... lmg_prd_37 tako ti sada izgleda naoružavanje kurda, tako USA funkcioniše, trenutni interes, lobiranje i onda ćao đaci, e tad saveznik postane neprijatelj. naravno film je romantiučna verzija stvarnih događaja, zvuči li poznato:
This film is unbelievably biased. It is pure anti-Soviet cold-war drivel and it is historically inaccurate. Robert Gates says that the CIA began giving aid to Islamic fighters in Afghanistan months **before** the Soviet invasion. Jimmy Carter signed an order on July 3, 1979 to give aid to the Mujahedeen. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap. "The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border," Zbigniew wrote to President Carter, ...we gave to the USSR its Vietnam War". Charlie Wilson's importance is wildly blown way out of proportion. The real-life Wilson had always been a right wing government good-old-boy who liked war. He was a commie-hating cold-war warrior. In the film we are lead to think that Wilson was simply a good time loving, womanizing, good old boy Congressman that never really grew up until he saw in person poor Afghan refugees: themselves poorly drawn caricatures of Afghan citizens. At this moment in the film Wilson changed and found a righteous cause. Born again Charlie!! Pure Hollywood nonsense! The real Wilson was not a nice guy. He was a friend of Nicaraguan tyrant Anastasio Samoza. Wilson's buddy in the movie (Philip Seymour Hoffman's character) is based on the CIA operative Gust Avrakotos. Army colonels led a coup in Greece in the 1960s; Avrakotos was the CIA main contact with the totally horrible fascist regime. Avrakotos fled Greece in the late 70s, with a very nasty reputation. The consequences of this cold war game are ignored by this crappy Hollywood movie. The weapons the U.S. supplied the Mujahedeen were used to wage a lengthy, bloody civil war in Afghanistan. Reagan's claim that the Afghan fighters were the moral equivalent of America's founding fathers is absurd. More brainless propaganda. Half the CIA money went to the monster Gulbaddin Hekmatyar, who in his youth threw acid in the face of an unveiled women. The CIA and US government would ally with anybody against the USSR. The terrorists received Stinger missiles, US Army training, and lots of money. The Taliban and the group that came to be known as Al-Qaida came from the Afghan civil war and were taught by the USA how to fight. There was little real concern for the fate of Afghanistan and its people. Washington never cared about the Afghan people in the first place ... and they still don't care. They are just pawns in The Great Game. The movie is a formulaic cliché, with it's warped fixation on the importance of the individual and its disregard for facts. Most Americans -- and reviewers here -- apparently take movies like this seriously, but this kind of crap makes the USA a joke to the rest of the world.
To je isto da kazes da ce Bosnjaci napaditi zapadne zemlje radi Dejtona ili Srbi radi Hrvatske i Kosova. Nonsens. Taman da zapad uzme Srbima sve oni nece napadati zapad jer nema ideologije koja bi podstakla takve napade.

Kod Kurda je isto. Kurdski nacionalizam nije usmjeren na zapad. I sada kada su ih Rusi prodali, oni opet kao krivca vide Tursku. Nema bijesa prema Rusima.

Isto tako, nema Sadamovih, Gadafijevih ili Asadovih simpatizera koji napadaju zapad. Arapski nacionalisti, jednako kao kurdski, nemaju motiv napadati zapad.

To rade samo islamisticke skupine.

#110284 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 27/03/2018 17:38
by muhafuca
sarajevoxxxx wrote:Vjerovatno uskoro na red dolazi i Menbedž, pa Tel Ebjed, i ostalo.
Aha znaci Sirija gotova uskoro - sta mislis hoce li udar na Bagdad i Teheran usljediti odmah nakon toga (negdje do jeseni)

ili ce biti mala pauza da se pociste eventualni ustanci mrskih sitski "spavajucih celija"?

Sta je sa Libanom? To za kasnije ili ce to u paketu sa Sirijom otici?

#110285 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 27/03/2018 17:39
by Young Erotica
SAA polako premešta tehniku u Dumu, mada mislim da će se predati ovi brzo.

#110286 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 27/03/2018 17:41
by sumirprimus
Young Erotica wrote:SAA polako premešta tehniku u Dumu, mada mislim da će se predati ovi brzo.
To su zahranovci.ebali su jeza ak se predaju.ebali su jeza ak odu u idlib.

#110287 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 27/03/2018 17:43
by Young Erotica
sumirprimus wrote:
Young Erotica wrote:SAA polako premešta tehniku u Dumu, mada mislim da će se predati ovi brzo.
To su zahranovci.ebali su jeza ak se predaju.ebali su jeza ak odu u idlib.
Pa ne znam ko će ih primiti ali nemaju nekog izbora.

#110288 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 27/03/2018 17:45
by sumirprimus
Young Erotica wrote:
sumirprimus wrote:
Young Erotica wrote:SAA polako premešta tehniku u Dumu, mada mislim da će se predati ovi brzo.
To su zahranovci.ebali su jeza ak se predaju.ebali su jeza ak odu u idlib.
Pa ne znam ko će ih primiti ali nemaju nekog izbora.
Il pat.il se valja borit.valjda nece do kraja.strahota.

#110289 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 27/03/2018 17:48
by Young Erotica
sumirprimus wrote: Il pat.il se valja borit.valjda nece do kraja.strahota.
Pa kad bi dobili čvrste garancije da ih vlada neće terorisati ako se predaju i potpišu onaj reconciliation deal sto nude rusi to bi im bilo najbolje.

#110290 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 27/03/2018 17:49
by sumirprimus
Young Erotica wrote:
sumirprimus wrote: Il pat.il se valja borit.valjda nece do kraja.strahota.
Pa kad bi dobili čvrste garancije da ih vlada neće terorisati ako se predaju i potpišu onaj reconciliation deal sto nude rusi to bi im bilo najbolje.
Arapi su to.kunu ti se na zivot a vamo :skoljka:

#110291 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 27/03/2018 18:11
by muzicar_iz_parka
Kurdistan se rezolucijom i ostrim tvitovima osudjivanja turske agresije brani. :D

Jos ako bude neka zajednicka rezlucija svih bitnih kurdskih skracenica, ima da im Turci daju dobrovoljno sve do Ankare od straha.

#110292 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 27/03/2018 18:14
by sarajevoxxxx
Tel Rifat ipak i dalje u rukama YPG-a i režima. Još uvijek traju pregovori.

#تل_رفعت لا تزال بيد الروس و الأكراد, و مفاوضات جارية مع الجانب #التركي

للتفاصيل : http://stepagency-sy.net/archives/188587

#ستيب_نيوز #Step_News

#110293 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 27/03/2018 18:16
by dječak sa šibicama
kiki i savo kao najduhovitiji forumasi

#110294 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 27/03/2018 18:31
by Zorge
Kiki , što uporno pišeš da su ih Rusi izdali? Ne mogu ih Rusi izdati kada im oni nisu pokrovitelji. Napisao sam prvo post kada sam se regiatrovao da će ih Ameri pustiti niz vodu. I vodećeš do kraja godine šta će biti.

#110295 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 27/03/2018 18:32
by ioannes
sumirprimus wrote:
Young Erotica wrote:
sumirprimus wrote: Il pat.il se valja borit.valjda nece do kraja.strahota.
Pa kad bi dobili čvrste garancije da ih vlada neće terorisati ako se predaju i potpišu onaj reconciliation deal sto nude rusi to bi im bilo najbolje.
Arapi su to.kunu ti se na zivot a vamo :skoljka:
u siriji je od 2013 god pa do danas
sklopljeno preko 1000 lokalnih mirovnih sporazuma
pod pokroviteljstvom ministra za nacionalno pomirenje Ali Haidara. znači ti ljudi su položili oružje, dobili nove papire i ponovo se integrirali u sirijsko društvo.
to je za moj pojam jedna velika stvar koja u medijima nije nimalo bila popraćena.
arapi koliko god su u nekim stvarima naopaki, u nekim drugim stvarima me ponekad i iznenade na pozitivno

#110296 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 27/03/2018 18:36
by sumirprimus
To je sve ok da nije video snimaka i svjedocenja prezivjelih.kad ih se u miru iza zatvorenih vrata docepaju.i kad se novinari razidju.e sto su toliki glupsoni pa sami sebe snimaju treba njih pitati.

#110297 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 27/03/2018 18:44
by zrakomlat
Herr Flick wrote:Svaki put kad Turci ulete u Siriju,vehabije se moraju predati na nekom teritoriju :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol:

#110298 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 27/03/2018 18:47
by sumirprimus
I hrle asadu.
315 iz haraste po sidorenku ostalo da trazi amnestiju. Kamo iljade i iljade

#110299 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 27/03/2018 18:53
by ioannes
to su islamistički borci....boje se odmazde ili možda zatvora. ne bih ni ja

#110300 Re: Sirija vol. 2

Posted: 27/03/2018 18:54
by Challenger_
sumirprimus wrote:I hrle asadu.
315 iz haraste po sidorenku ostalo da trazi amnestiju. Kamo iljade i iljade
Prešli na vladinu stranu. Više od 110 hiljada ljudi, samo to tebe i takve ne interesuje.