#1101 Re: FRANCUSKI VOJNI AVIONI IZNAD LIBIJE.
Posted: 29/03/2011 12:26
Kakve veze ima SS i Rusija sa bilo cime o cemu se ovdje raspravlja? Kada je neko rekao da su oni dobri, humani, pravedni ili uzorni?
Sve je to podlozno propadanju... Pogledaj Island...Bodkin wrote:odnosilo se na tvrdnju da @optimus nije normalan jer su mu ljudi kolateralna steta. ovo sve ostalo stoji i ne bih ulazio u tu stranu diskusije. ja svakako navijam za skandinavski modelnosara wrote:U pitanju je oko 3 mil. beskucnika koji zive u satorima... Da ih ne bi bilo 30 miliona, drzava je upumpala u wall street par hiljada milijardi i na jedvite jade odlozila neminovno... Usput su pokrenuli nekoliko agresija po svijetu i po ko zna koji put zavrtili pakleni tocak...Bodkin wrote:
na stranu to sto nisam pobornik neoliberalnog kapitalizma, jel ti stvarno mislis da sistem u kojem samo 1% ljudi (ako uzmemo da je tacan podatak) gladuje nije dobar?
Sve u redu, to je jos uvijek bolje od Fukusime u komunistickom Japanu...
Bodkin wrote:
odnosilo se na tvrdnju da @optimus nije normalan jer su mu ljudi kolateralna steta. ovo sve ostalo stoji i ne bih ulazio u tu stranu diskusije. ja svakako navijam za skandinavski model
Pa govorimo o realnim problemima, ne o utopiji!dr.Gonzo wrote:Kakve veze ima SS i Rusija sa bilo cime o cemu se ovdje raspravlja? Kada je neko rekao da su oni dobri, humani, pravedni ili uzorni?
S ovim boldiranim se slazem, a ne odnosi se samo na Kinu... Bolesni smradovi svud po trecem svijetu iskoristavaju situaciju u svrhu profita i to bolesnog, enormnog... Uveli su robovlasnistvo... Valjda je i to kolateralna steta inace u sustini dobrog i humanog sistema...Optimus Prime wrote:Bodkin wrote:
odnosilo se na tvrdnju da @optimus nije normalan jer su mu ljudi kolateralna steta. ovo sve ostalo stoji i ne bih ulazio u tu stranu diskusije. ja svakako navijam za skandinavski model
Ja cu okrenuti pricu i dokazat cu ti da si ti onaj za koje ljudi predstavljaju kolateralno stetu.
Kako?
Pa prije nego sto je Deng Xiaoping proveo reforme koje su omogucile prodor zapadnog kapitala, kineska ekonomija je bila toliko nefikasna da je stanovnistvo bukvalno gladovalo, porezi koja je vlada ubirala nsiu bili ni priblizno dovoljni za kvalitetne medicinske usluge sto je rezultiralo MILIONIMA mrtve kineske djece koja su umirala tiho.
Nakon sto su zli kapitalisti odlucili da iskoristavaju kinesku jeftinu radnu snagu i ulozili bilione dolara u kinesku ekonomiju doslo je do preokreta. Ljudi su imali vise da jedu, dobili su kvalitetniju medicinsku zastitu, bolje higijenske uslove sto je sprijecilo (brat bratu) jedno sto miliona ljudskih zrtava.
Ako to ne ralativizira onih tvojih tri miliona ljudi koji privremeno zive pod satorom, onda ne znam.
To sto su se uslovi zivota u Kini znacajno poboljsali, i sto se smrtnost djece smanjila skoro do nivoa zapadnih zemlja naravno ne igra nikakvu ulogu!nosara wrote:S ovim boldiranim se slazem, a ne odnosi se samo na Kinu... Bolesni smradovi svud po trecem svijetu iskoristavaju situaciju u svrhu profita i to bolesnog, enormnog... Uveli su robovlasnistvo... Valjda je i to kolateralna steta inace u sustini dobrog i humanog sistema...Optimus Prime wrote:Bodkin wrote:
odnosilo se na tvrdnju da @optimus nije normalan jer su mu ljudi kolateralna steta. ovo sve ostalo stoji i ne bih ulazio u tu stranu diskusije. ja svakako navijam za skandinavski model
Ja cu okrenuti pricu i dokazat cu ti da si ti onaj za koje ljudi predstavljaju kolateralno stetu.
Kako?
Pa prije nego sto je Deng Xiaoping proveo reforme koje su omogucile prodor zapadnog kapitala, kineska ekonomija je bila toliko nefikasna da je stanovnistvo bukvalno gladovalo, porezi koja je vlada ubirala nsiu bili ni priblizno dovoljni za kvalitetne medicinske usluge sto je rezultiralo MILIONIMA mrtve kineske djece koja su umirala tiho.
Nakon sto su zli kapitalisti odlucili da iskoristavaju kinesku jeftinu radnu snagu i ulozili bilione dolara u kinesku ekonomiju doslo je do preokreta. Ljudi su imali vise da jedu, dobili su kvalitetniju medicinsku zastitu, bolje higijenske uslove sto je sprijecilo (brat bratu) jedno sto miliona ljudskih zrtava.
Ako to ne ralativizira onih tvojih tri miliona ljudi koji privremeno zive pod satorom, onda ne znam.
Ja?Optimus Prime wrote:Bodkin wrote:
odnosilo se na tvrdnju da @optimus nije normalan jer su mu ljudi kolateralna steta. ovo sve ostalo stoji i ne bih ulazio u tu stranu diskusije. ja svakako navijam za skandinavski model
Ja cu okrenuti pricu i dokazat cu ti da si ti onaj za koje ljudi predstavljaju kolateralno stetu.
Kako?
Pa prije nego sto je Deng Xiaoping proveo reforme koje su omogucile prodor zapadnog kapitala, kineska ekonomija je bila toliko nefikasna da je stanovnistvo bukvalno gladovalo, porezi koja je vlada ubirala nsiu bili ni priblizno dovoljni za kvalitetne medicinske usluge sto je rezultiralo MILIONIMA mrtve kineske djece koja su umirala tiho.
Nakon sto su zli kapitalisti odlucili da iskoristavaju kinesku jeftinu radnu snagu i ulozili bilione dolara u kinesku ekonomiju doslo je do preokreta. Ljudi su imali vise da jedu, dobili su kvalitetniju medicinsku zastitu, bolje higijenske uslove sto je sprijecilo (brat bratu) jedno sto miliona ljudskih zrtava.
Ako to ne ralativizira onih tvojih tri miliona ljudi koji privremeno zive pod satorom, onda ne znam.
osvrnuo sam se samo na broj od 1% gladnih, to je skoro pa idealan sistemHunkar wrote:
djaba trubis u prazno, ako su njemu ljudi kolateralna steta, rekao je sve o sebi.
Jest, evo samo sto nije propalo. Kao sto propada zadnjih 200 godina.nosara wrote:
Sve je to podlozno propadanju..
To su nuspojave, jer se drugacije ne moze(prosla vremena klasicnog robovlasnistva). rMotivi su iskljucivo finansijske prirode, i u citavoj prici su ljudi potrosna roba. Licemjerje je to negirati.To sto su se uslovi zivota u Kini znacajno poboljsali, i sto se smrtnost djece smanjila skoro do nivoa zapadnih zemlja naravno ne igra nikakvu ulogu!
Koji ste vi licemjeri!
Bilo je namjenjeno Nosari!Bodkin wrote: Ja?![]()
Motivi su nebitni! Bitno je stanje na terenu!dr.Gonzo wrote:To su nuspojave, jer se drugacije ne moze(prosla vremena klasicnog robovlasnistva). rMotivi su iskljucivo finansijske prirode. Licemjerje je to negirati.To sto su se uslovi zivota u Kini znacajno poboljsali, i sto se smrtnost djece smanjila skoro do nivoa zapadnih zemlja naravno ne igra nikakvu ulogu!
Koji ste vi licemjeri!
Optimus Prime wrote:Jest, evo samo sto nije propalo. Kao sto propada zadnjih 200 godina.nosara wrote:
Sve je to podlozno propadanju..
Ono sto je komicno je to da je sistem iz svake recesije izlazio jos jaci, i omogucavao ljudima jos vecu kupovnu moc!
Ti bi hebao, a da ti ne udje!nosara wrote:Ako nemas nista, pa dobijes nesto, naravno da je to progres... Ali ako taj neko, koji ti da nesto, na tvoj racun izvlaci skoro sve, onda je to zlocin...
Pa naravno, to je smisao... Sta, tebi ulazi...? Svasta u tom kapitalizmu...Optimus Prime wrote:Ti bi hebao, a da ti ne udje!nosara wrote:Ako nemas nista, pa dobijes nesto, naravno da je to progres... Ali ako taj neko, koji ti da nesto, na tvoj racun izvlaci skoro sve, onda je to zlocin...
U realnom svijetu to ne funkcionise!
Pa evo predlozi Kinezima, da nagovore kapitaliste da povuku svoj ulozeni kapital!nosara wrote:Pa naravno, to je smisao... Sta, tebi ulazi...? Svasta u tom kapitalizmu...Optimus Prime wrote:Ti bi hebao, a da ti ne udje!nosara wrote:Ako nemas nista, pa dobijes nesto, naravno da je to progres... Ali ako taj neko, koji ti da nesto, na tvoj racun izvlaci skoro sve, onda je to zlocin...
U realnom svijetu to ne funkcionise!
Ne.Ja govorim o ukupnoj proizvodnji artikla i usluga koji se distribuiraju medju stanovnistvom!nosara wrote:Optimus Prime wrote:Jest, evo samo sto nije propalo. Kao sto propada zadnjih 200 godina.nosara wrote:
Sve je to podlozno propadanju..
Ono sto je komicno je to da je sistem iz svake recesije izlazio jos jaci, i omogucavao ljudima jos vecu kupovnu moc!![]()
Mislis omogucavao ljudima da se jos vise zaduze da bi kupovali...? Koji si ti komicar...
Ma jasta, bitno je biti kriticar zapada i modernog kapitalizma. Daje socijalne i forumske credits. Ukazes kako nesto ne valja, smrdi, i to je to. Ostatak potrazi u strukturama sine, one te ljuljaju, nije to do tebe. Ako ne mozes osvojiti holivud ti sebi u najboljem slucaju napravi etno-selo. Ili uzmes brate kanton. Od 133 zemalja globalno, 108 njih su privlacnije za investitore i turiste od tvoje, ali to je zbog surovosti stvarnosti. A nju kad ugledas, ti pogledaj u Vasington i multinacionalne korporacije koje sve rade da te uniste.dr.Gonzo wrote: I ovaj tvoj post stvari oslikava kao crno-bijele. Ako kritikujes zapad i moderni kapitalizam, odmah si nesto od sljedeceg: cyber gerila, teoreticar zavjere, za komunizam, za Gadafija, za Ruse, za Kineze, za Kusturicu, za genocidnu tvorevinu, za [nesto_po_licnom_izboru]. Nidje veze.
Isto sranje, drugo pakovanje... amerikenjci ili njihovi kerovi, isti kurac...jeza u ledja wrote:Ne bih da prekidam vasu raspravu o politickom uredjenju u Kini, Marxu i Engelsu i neoliberalnoj ekonomiji, ali htio bih skrenuti paznju na Obamin govor od sinoc (http://cnn.com/video/?/video/politics/2 ... a.full.cnn), gdje je savrseno objasnio sta se htjelo, sta se zeli, sta sve ovo znaci za SAD, itd. Takodje, izjavio je da od danas SAD prestaju sa vojnim udjelom u kampanji u Libiji, odnosno da ce se uloga SAD od sad svesti na manje-vise logisticku. Takodje, izjavio je da im nije cilj skidanje Gadaffija sa vlasti silom, i ponovio da americke trupe nece ici u Libiju.
Sjetio se i Iraka i svega onoga o cemu se obicni ljudi ovih dana pitaju i po meni odlicno argumentirao smisao ove akcije, i uopste americke uloge u svijetu.
Ja sam na pocetku ove intervencije rekao da mi se nimalo ne svidja, odnosno da sam protiv, ali da cu konacan zakljucak donjeti nakon nekoliko dana, odnosno kad vidim u kom smjeru ce ovo teci. Ako je ovo gore tacno - da su Evropljani (i Arapi) preuzeli inicijativu u Libiji, onda definitivno ovo sve podrzavam.
Ovdje ima transkript govora:
http://www.realclearworld.com/articles/ ... 99457.html
Big Banks Save Billions As Homeowners Suffer, Internal Federal Report By CFPB Finds
NEW YORK -- The nation's five largest mortgage firms have saved more than $20 billion since the housing crisis began in 2007 by taking shortcuts in processing troubled borrowers' home loans, according to a confidential presentation prepared for state attorneys general by the nascent consumer bureau inside the Treasury Department.
That estimate suggests large banks have reaped tremendous benefits from under-serving distressed homeowners, a complaint frequent enough among borrowers that federal regulators have begun to acknowledge the industry's fundamental shortcomings.
The dollar figure also provides a basis for regulators' internal discussions regarding how best to penalize Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo, Citigroup and Ally Financial in a settlement of wide-ranging allegations of wrongful and occasionally illegal foreclosures. People involved in the talks say some regulators want to levy a $5 billion penalty on the five firms, while others seek as much as $30 billion, with most of the money going toward reducing troubled homeowners' mortgage payments and lowering loan balances for underwater borrowers, those who owe more on their home than it's worth.
Even the highest of those figures, however, pales in comparison to the likely cost of reducing mortgage principal for the three million homeowners some federal agencies hope to reach. Lowering loan balances for that many underwater borrowers who owe less than $1.15 for every dollar their home is worth would cost as much as $135 billion, according to the internal presentation, dated Feb. 14, obtained by The Huffington Post.
But perhaps most important to some lawmakers in Washington, the mere existence of the report suggests a much deeper link between the Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection, led by Harvard professor Elizabeth Warren, and the 50 state attorneys general who are leading the nationwide probe into the five firms' improper foreclosure practices, a development sure to anger Republicans in Congress and a banking industry intent on diminishing the fledgling CFPB's legitimacy by questioning its authority to act before it's officially launched in July.
Earlier this month, Warren told the House Financial Services Committee, under intense questioning, that her agency has provided limited assistance to the various state and federal agencies involved in the industry probes. At one point, she was asked whether she made any recommendations regarding proposed penalties. She replied that her agency has only provided "advice."
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ima jos na linku..http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/2 ... aily+Brief....
Warren is standing up the agency on an interim basis. It formally launches in July, at which point it will need a Senate-confirmed director in order to carry out its full authority. One of those areas will be how mortgage firms process home loans for distressed borrowers.
A spokeswoman for JPMorgan Chase declined to comment. Spokespeople for the other four banks were not immediately available for comment.
Jes vala, puskom su ih tjerali da uzmu kredit!munchkin33 wrote:..pustite bolan jeffija..nije imao prilike uzivati u prijasnjim utopijama, pa mu ova danasnja izgleda tako stvarna..tako opipljiva..tako svemoguca..
..al' evo malo "literature", ne bil' nam se "young-jeffy" malo ohaviz'o....bolje prije neg' kasnije..
Big Banks Save Billions As Homeowners Suffer, Internal Federal Report By CFPB Finds
NEW YORK -- The nation's five largest mortgage firms have saved more than $20 billion since the housing crisis began in 2007 by taking shortcuts in processing troubled borrowers' home loans, according to a confidential presentation prepared for state attorneys general by the nascent consumer bureau inside the Treasury Department.
That estimate suggests large banks have reaped tremendous benefits from under-serving distressed homeowners, a complaint frequent enough among borrowers that federal regulators have begun to acknowledge the industry's fundamental shortcomings.
The dollar figure also provides a basis for regulators' internal discussions regarding how best to penalize Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo, Citigroup and Ally Financial in a settlement of wide-ranging allegations of wrongful and occasionally illegal foreclosures. People involved in the talks say some regulators want to levy a $5 billion penalty on the five firms, while others seek as much as $30 billion, with most of the money going toward reducing troubled homeowners' mortgage payments and lowering loan balances for underwater borrowers, those who owe more on their home than it's worth.
Even the highest of those figures, however, pales in comparison to the likely cost of reducing mortgage principal for the three million homeowners some federal agencies hope to reach. Lowering loan balances for that many underwater borrowers who owe less than $1.15 for every dollar their home is worth would cost as much as $135 billion, according to the internal presentation, dated Feb. 14, obtained by The Huffington Post.
But perhaps most important to some lawmakers in Washington, the mere existence of the report suggests a much deeper link between the Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection, led by Harvard professor Elizabeth Warren, and the 50 state attorneys general who are leading the nationwide probe into the five firms' improper foreclosure practices, a development sure to anger Republicans in Congress and a banking industry intent on diminishing the fledgling CFPB's legitimacy by questioning its authority to act before it's officially launched in July.
Earlier this month, Warren told the House Financial Services Committee, under intense questioning, that her agency has provided limited assistance to the various state and federal agencies involved in the industry probes. At one point, she was asked whether she made any recommendations regarding proposed penalties. She replied that her agency has only provided "advice."
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ima jos na linku..http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/2 ... aily+Brief....
Warren is standing up the agency on an interim basis. It formally launches in July, at which point it will need a Senate-confirmed director in order to carry out its full authority. One of those areas will be how mortgage firms process home loans for distressed borrowers.
A spokeswoman for JPMorgan Chase declined to comment. Spokespeople for the other four banks were not immediately available for comment.
Optimus Prime wrote:Jes vala, puskom su ih tjerali da uzmu kredit!munchkin33 wrote:..pustite bolan jeffija..nije imao prilike uzivati u prijasnjim utopijama, pa mu ova danasnja izgleda tako stvarna..tako opipljiva..tako svemoguca..
..al' evo malo "literature", ne bil' nam se "young-jeffy" malo ohaviz'o....bolje prije neg' kasnije..
Big Banks Save Billions As Homeowners Suffer, Internal Federal Report By CFPB Finds
NEW YORK -- The nation's five largest mortgage firms have saved more than $20 billion since the housing crisis began in 2007 by taking shortcuts in processing troubled borrowers' home loans, according to a confidential presentation prepared for state attorneys general by the nascent consumer bureau inside the Treasury Department.
That estimate suggests large banks have reaped tremendous benefits from under-serving distressed homeowners, a complaint frequent enough among borrowers that federal regulators have begun to acknowledge the industry's fundamental shortcomings.
The dollar figure also provides a basis for regulators' internal discussions regarding how best to penalize Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo, Citigroup and Ally Financial in a settlement of wide-ranging allegations of wrongful and occasionally illegal foreclosures. People involved in the talks say some regulators want to levy a $5 billion penalty on the five firms, while others seek as much as $30 billion, with most of the money going toward reducing troubled homeowners' mortgage payments and lowering loan balances for underwater borrowers, those who owe more on their home than it's worth.
Even the highest of those figures, however, pales in comparison to the likely cost of reducing mortgage principal for the three million homeowners some federal agencies hope to reach. Lowering loan balances for that many underwater borrowers who owe less than $1.15 for every dollar their home is worth would cost as much as $135 billion, according to the internal presentation, dated Feb. 14, obtained by The Huffington Post.
But perhaps most important to some lawmakers in Washington, the mere existence of the report suggests a much deeper link between the Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection, led by Harvard professor Elizabeth Warren, and the 50 state attorneys general who are leading the nationwide probe into the five firms' improper foreclosure practices, a development sure to anger Republicans in Congress and a banking industry intent on diminishing the fledgling CFPB's legitimacy by questioning its authority to act before it's officially launched in July.
Earlier this month, Warren told the House Financial Services Committee, under intense questioning, that her agency has provided limited assistance to the various state and federal agencies involved in the industry probes. At one point, she was asked whether she made any recommendations regarding proposed penalties. She replied that her agency has only provided "advice."
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ima jos na linku..http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/2 ... aily+Brief....
Warren is standing up the agency on an interim basis. It formally launches in July, at which point it will need a Senate-confirmed director in order to carry out its full authority. One of those areas will be how mortgage firms process home loans for distressed borrowers.
A spokeswoman for JPMorgan Chase declined to comment. Spokespeople for the other four banks were not immediately available for comment.
Ne zivi iznad svojih mogucnosti i nema problema.
Ali jok. Biti smecar i bez ikakvih garancija uzeti kredit za kucu od 200 kvadrata i tri auta, pa onda plakat kad skontas da ne mozes vracati posudjeni novac, iako si vec od samog pocetka bio svjestan da ti je posao nesiguran ili plata preniska, nije zalosno nego smijesno.
Ne kontam sta je sporno? Ja cesto idem u Detroit, koji je po mnogo cemu najgori grad u SAD. Ali, imas djelova Detroita kao sto je Macomb County koji su sasvim OK, pa cak i iznadprosjecni za ameriku. E tu ima dosta nasih, koji su uzimali kredite za kuce stanove itd.munchkin33 wrote:..pustite bolan jeffija..nije imao prilike uzivati u prijasnjim utopijama, pa mu ova danasnja izgleda tako stvarna..tako opipljiva..tako svemoguca..
..al' evo malo "literature", ne bil' nam se "young-jeffy" malo ohaviz'o....bolje prije neg' kasnije..
Big Banks Save Billions As Homeowners Suffer, Internal Federal Report By CFPB Finds
NEW YORK -- The nation's five largest mortgage firms have saved more than $20 billion since the housing crisis began in 2007 by taking shortcuts in processing troubled borrowers' home loans, according to a confidential presentation prepared for state attorneys general by the nascent consumer bureau inside the Treasury Department.
That estimate suggests large banks have reaped tremendous benefits from under-serving distressed homeowners, a complaint frequent enough among borrowers that federal regulators have begun to acknowledge the industry's fundamental shortcomings.
The dollar figure also provides a basis for regulators' internal discussions regarding how best to penalize Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase, Wells Fargo, Citigroup and Ally Financial in a settlement of wide-ranging allegations of wrongful and occasionally illegal foreclosures. People involved in the talks say some regulators want to levy a $5 billion penalty on the five firms, while others seek as much as $30 billion, with most of the money going toward reducing troubled homeowners' mortgage payments and lowering loan balances for underwater borrowers, those who owe more on their home than it's worth.
Even the highest of those figures, however, pales in comparison to the likely cost of reducing mortgage principal for the three million homeowners some federal agencies hope to reach. Lowering loan balances for that many underwater borrowers who owe less than $1.15 for every dollar their home is worth would cost as much as $135 billion, according to the internal presentation, dated Feb. 14, obtained by The Huffington Post.
But perhaps most important to some lawmakers in Washington, the mere existence of the report suggests a much deeper link between the Bureau of Consumer Financial Protection, led by Harvard professor Elizabeth Warren, and the 50 state attorneys general who are leading the nationwide probe into the five firms' improper foreclosure practices, a development sure to anger Republicans in Congress and a banking industry intent on diminishing the fledgling CFPB's legitimacy by questioning its authority to act before it's officially launched in July.
Earlier this month, Warren told the House Financial Services Committee, under intense questioning, that her agency has provided limited assistance to the various state and federal agencies involved in the industry probes. At one point, she was asked whether she made any recommendations regarding proposed penalties. She replied that her agency has only provided "advice."
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ima jos na linku..http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/2 ... aily+Brief....
Warren is standing up the agency on an interim basis. It formally launches in July, at which point it will need a Senate-confirmed director in order to carry out its full authority. One of those areas will be how mortgage firms process home loans for distressed borrowers.
A spokeswoman for JPMorgan Chase declined to comment. Spokespeople for the other four banks were not immediately available for comment.