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SamoVasGledam wrote:Jednog dana Ebu Džehl je susreo Muhammeda, a.s., i rekao mu: “Muhammede!, ja od tebe nisam vidio ružnijeg čovjeka!” “Pravo si rekao”, odgovorio je Muhammed. Na ovo je rekao Ebu Bekr Pejgamberu: “O ti sunce duhovnog svijeta, miljeniče Svevišnjeg Boga, ja od tebe nisam vidio ljepšeg čovjeka.” “Pravo si rekao”, odgovori i njemu Pejgamber.....
Znaš kako ide dalje?
fatamorgana wrote:
Pinokio, sjeti se knjige od Kolodija i šta piše u njoj, nemoj opet kitu u usta!
-Taj „Pinokio“ ti je izgleda dobro zapaprio,pa ti se jos manta i ne izlazi ti iz usta,..kad ga toliko spominjes..
Opsesija za njim ti je prerasla u paranoju,izabrao si dobar nick
SamoVasGledam wrote:Osnivači ateizma osrednji filozofi. A ko su osnivači religije? Čovek koji je 40 dana i noći gladovao i žeđao u pustinji, počeo da se gubi i halucinira, da se svađa sa đavolom i čovek kojeg je anđeo u pećini toliko fizički maltretirao da je ovaj umislio da ga uhode demoni. Pa vi vidite kome ćete pre.
Jednog dana Ebu Džehl je susreo Muhammeda, a.s., i rekao mu: “Muhammede!, ja od tebe nisam vidio ružnijeg čovjeka!” “Pravo si rekao”, odgovorio je Muhammed. Na ovo je rekao Ebu Bekr Pejgamberu: “O ti sunce duhovnog svijeta, miljeniče Svevišnjeg Boga, ja od tebe nisam vidio ljepšeg čovjeka.” “Pravo si rekao”, odgovori i njemu Pejgamber.....
Znaš kako ide dalje?
Ebu Džehl – Otac Neznanja
Kakva odlicna paralela sa ovim forumskim anti-teistima,ista im je „skola“ evo ja cu da dovrsim..
...Čuvši ashabi ova dva odgovora, upitaju: “Kako je to moguće da ti isti odgovor daješ i Ebu Bekru i Ebu Džehlu?! Oni su sušte suprotnosti! Ebu Bekr je tvoja desna ruka, a Ebu Džehl je tvoj najveći din-dušmanin!”
Pejgember im odgovori: “Nemojte se čuditi, jer ja sam kao jedno najčišče ogledalo. Ko god u me pogleda, sebe će vidjeti. Zato i Ebu Bekr vidi u mome licu svoje ljepote, a Ebu Džehl vidi svoju ružnoću. Istinu su rekli šta su vidjeli! Ebu Bekr svoju ljepotu a Ebu Džehl svoju ružnoću.”
HardcoreMX wrote:
-Taj „Pinokio“ ti je izgleda dobro zapaprio,pa ti se jos manta i ne izlazi ti iz usta,..kad ga toliko spominjes..
Opsesija za njim ti je prerasla u paranoju,izabrao si dobar nick
Prijatelju, shvataš li ti da ti ne možeš "zapapriti" nikome? Uporno se trudiš da ti nekog spustiš, kao da dokažeš nešto, ali ti ni najmanje ne polazi za rukom. Zato u svakom tvom postu ti stavljaš " " , " " i slično tome jer smatraš da ti znaš, svi ostali su glupi. Kažeš da pokušavaš voditi diskusiju, a kompletan forum već zna i šta si i kakve su ti te mogućnosti. Pa ugledaj se malo na forumaša ibrahimaga . Majka mu stara, svaki teista bi trebao onako zvučati, pa čak i kad suprotno misli i kad čita postove koji se ne slažu s njegovim mišljenjem. Ti samo "upireš" , pokušavaš omalovažavati...
HardcoreMX wrote:
Ebu Džehl – Otac Neznanja
Kakva odlicna paralela sa ovim forumskim anti-teistima,ista im je „skola“ evo ja cu da dovrsim..
...Čuvši ashabi ova dva odgovora, upitaju: “Kako je to moguće da ti isti odgovor daješ i Ebu Bekru i Ebu Džehlu?! Oni su sušte suprotnosti! Ebu Bekr je tvoja desna ruka, a Ebu Džehl je tvoj najveći din-dušmanin!”
Pejgember im odgovori: “Nemojte se čuditi, jer ja sam kao jedno najčišče ogledalo. Ko god u me pogleda, sebe će vidjeti. Zato i Ebu Bekr vidi u mome licu svoje ljepote, a Ebu Džehl vidi svoju ružnoću. Istinu su rekli šta su vidjeli! Ebu Bekr svoju ljepotu a Ebu Džehl svoju ružnoću.”
Gdje ga nadje brate,Fenomenalan odgovor!
Šta je ovdje fenomenalno prijatelju? Zar vjernik, pogotovo Vjerovjesnik ne bi trebao biti skroman? Kakva je to paralela Ebu Džehl - forumaši? O čemu pričaš ti? Kakva ista škola? Religija ne može biti univerzalna, ne moraju svi misliti k'o ti. Oni koji ne misle k'o ti i ne vjeruju k'o ti, ne moraju biti manje pametni, ne bi se smio obraćati njima s visoka. Valjda u religiji postoji postulat i za to, barem bi trebao postojati.
HardcoreMX wrote:Po meni jedan od najboljih dokaza egzistencije Boga je kad cujes upravo pricu ateista i njihovu demagogiju.
Lafo vi ste „slobodnoumni“ljudi,ali cim vam neko,sasvim malo,promijeni tok misli,izuje vas iz kolotecine,vec se bunite,arlaucete,vrijedjate,etiketirate itd.Kakva sloboda,malo je reci da je to Egocentrizam.
Ovo boldirano prijatelju, evo 2 dana se zaista trudim skontati šta si ti mislio ovim reći. Da nema ateista i njihove priče, ti ne bi imao jedan od najboljih dokaza postojanja Boga? I kako ti uopšte ičija priča i demagogija može biti dokaz za nešto treće?
Ovo poitaličeno druže opisuje upravo tebe. Kad god ti neko da argument ili pokuša pričati normalno, kao npr. između ostalih, @SamoVasGledam, ti automatski počneš da prosipaš ironiju, da se buniš, da vrijeđaš... Ti si jedini ovdje koji etiketira i svako ko se ne slaže s tvojim mišljenjem je manje vrijedan, nije upoznat s logikom i sl.
Tako da, toplo ti preporučujem da se ugledaš na druga ibrahimagu. Čovjek ima znanje o Islamu i što je najvažnije, shvata ga na normalan način, te isti prezentira i ovdje.
fatamorgana wrote:
Pinokio, sjeti se knjige od Kolodija i šta piše u njoj, nemoj opet kitu u usta!
-Taj „Pinokio“ ti je izgleda dobro zapaprio,pa ti se jos manta i ne izlazi ti iz usta,..kad ga toliko spominjes..
Opsesija za njim ti je prerasla u paranoju,izabrao si dobar nick
Biti će vas jedno 3-4 banovana nastavite li s tim prozivanjima
Evo, kaže World Economic Forum da je religioznost društva obrnuto proporcionalna njegovom ekonomskom i inom razvoju ... osim u Americi, što bi opet moglo biti interpretirano u smislu omjera raspodjele imućnih i neimućnih u tom društvu, a ne mora biti.
piupiu wrote:Evo, kaže World Economic Forum da je religioznost društva obrnuto proporcionalna njegovom ekonomskom i inom razvoju ... osim u Americi, što bi opet moglo biti interpretirano u smislu omjera raspodjele imućnih i neimućnih u tom društvu, a ne mora biti.
patriot_1 wrote: "Što više znanja,manje vjere" kažu neki!
U pravu su,donekle!Jer vjerovanje da Bog postoji nije utemeljeno na znanosti,ono je neznanstveno!Pritom neki zaboravljaju da i vjerovanje da Boga nema , nije utemeljeno na znanosti!Jesu li dakle vjera i znanost oprečene?Dali će proporcionalno vjera nestajati koliko znanost bude uznapredovala?
Ima idnicija da je tako!Od Krista naovamo,ateizam je u usponu.A opet,od Krista naovamo,i dalje ima kršćana(što na papiru što stvarnih) najviše na svijetu!Ateizam je iza svih većih religija po statistici!Koliko treba onda stoljeća ili bolje tisućljeća da nevjera pokopa vjeru?Ili znanje "praznovjerje"?
Jesmo li mi ljudi zapravo žrtve indoktrinacija,raznoraznih,bilo vjerskih bilo protuvjerskih?Najviše ateista ima u komunističkim zemljama,bilo bivših bilo sadašnjih.Zašto?
Indoktrinacija!
Najviše u postotku ima vjernika u Islamskim zemljama!Zašto?Indoktrinacija (ili?).
Narodu bi se trebale ponuditi sve ideje i vjerovanja i nevjerovanja,"pro et contra" pa nek se sami odluče!U Islamu toga baš i nema!U komunizmu isto tako.U kršćanskim zemljama je to unazad nekoliko stotina godina je bilo moguće,donekle!
Ako čovjek sluša samo jednu teoriju,naravno da će postati sljedbenik iste jer za drugo"bolje" nezna!
Za kraj,veliki umovi,,,e oni su mi zanimljivi posebno,neki vjeruju u Boga neki ga "znanstveno" odbacuju!
Ja vjerujem u Boga,ne zato jer sam tako "indoktriniran" nego jer sam kao ateist rekao Bogu:"Ako ti postojiš,daj mi znak,dokaz".Od tada sam vjernik!
Bog,ako jest,MORA se očitovati jer zna da smo zbunjeni raznoraznim indoktrinacijama,da smo ŽRTVE!On ,ako voli čovjeka kojeg je stvorio,mora reagirati!
Ovo je najbolja tema ne RELIGIJI , slažete li se
Znanje ili znanost ne moze ni iskopati ni pokopati nista i nigdje jer se svako snjom koristi onako kakav je on sam.....
dobro ili lose se ne nalazi u znanosti ili neznanosti, vec u ljudima......
kakav je ko, tako ce i raditi..... znao ili ne znao.....
Ovo je živa istina za Etiopljane. Povremeno posećujem jednu ortodoksnu stranicu na Facebooku i od 3 komentara tamo 2 ostave Etiopljani i to uglavnom 'Amen, amen, amen'
Eh da su vam rečnik i obrazovanje jaki kao vera gde bi vam kraj bio...
SamoVasGledam wrote:
Eh da su vam rečnik i obrazovanje jaki kao vera gde bi vam kraj bio...
Opet su meni svi ti 'tupaci i glupaci' draži od tebe takvog inteligentnog. Sigurno ćeš tu naći mnoštvo tako toplih duša koje se razlikuju od duša koje nose ispred svog imena doktor i inženjer, a prodaju svoje znanje za potrebe krupnog kapitala u šta spadaju i tenkovi sa senzorima koji prepoznaju samo čovjeka.
Sasvim logično, nema nikakvog razloga da ti ja budem drag. Problem je što ste vi ovako međusobno dragi jedni drugima samo kada su sa druge strane ateisti. Čim nema ateista onda se okrećete okrenuli jedni protiv drugih i svađate se čiji je Bog bolji, čija je religija logičnija, bla, bla itd...
SamoVasGledam wrote:Sasvim logično, nema nikakvog razloga da ti ja budem drag. Problem je što ste vi ovako međusobno dragi jedni drugima samo kada su sa druge strane ateisti. Čim nema ateista onda se okrećete okrenuli jedni protiv drugih i svađate se čiji je Bog bolji, čija je religija logičnija, bla, bla itd...
Problem je što kada se ružno desi da se to udara bubnjima, a ono lijepo koje je isto svakodnevno, prođe skoro nezapaženo. Današnja vijest.
Lepo je to što se ljudi međusobno slažu i pomažu, mada ovo je više izuzetak nego pravilo. Mada ako ćemo i iskreno bolje da je taj novac donirao nekoj bolnici ili deci da je opremio neku učionu računarima ili kupio im tablete. A džamija bi se snašla već nekako i bez ograde.
29:20 Say, “Travel in the earth and find out how He originated creation. And how afterward, Allah brings forth entirely new forms. Verily, Allah is the Designer of all things.”
A small introduction.
10:3 But, your Lord (Who sent this Book) is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in SIX STAGES, and is established on the Throne of His Almightiness in Supreme Control. He, the Director of all directions, Issuer of all decrees, runs the Universe according to His Laws. No intercessor can stand in His Court but as a witness of Law (2:255, 16:111)). Such is Allah, your Sustainer. You shall serve Him. Won’t you use your intellect and reasoning?
11:7 He created the heavens and the earth in SIX STAGES and established Himself on the throne of His Almightiness. He has Supreme Control over the origination of life which began in water (21:30). Life is a test for yourselves to see which of you leads a balanced life and is best in conduct. Yet, if you (O Prophet), say, “You will be raised again after death,” the rejecters of the Truth will surely answer, “This is clearly nothing but a fabulous delusion!” (45:24).
32:4 Allah it is Who has created the heavens and the earth and all that is between them in SIX STAGES, and is established on the Throne of His Almightiness of Supreme Control (7:54). You have no patron and no intercessor beside Him. Will you not, then, bear this in mind?
57:4 He it is Who has created the heavens and the earth in SIX STAGES, and is established on the Throne of His Almightiness of Supreme Control. (7:54,10:3, 13:2, 20:5, 25:59, 32:4, 57:4). He knows all that enters the earth and all that comes forth from it, and all that descends from the sky, and all that ascends therein. And He is with you wherever you may be. And Allah is Seer of what you do.
The 6 Stages are from the moment of the creation of matter, and the organizing of the matter into clusters and eventually into stars and planets and so on from the big-bang to now. The evolution of the universe took 6 different stages, and the earth and other planets and stars were developed in 2 stages. Life was developed in 4 stages. So together, it took 6 stages to result in evolved life. These stages don’t refer to time stages, but to different levels of evolution of the universe and its life in it, each needing its own step with its own timespan. The biggest mistake people make is looking at the stages as if they occur with each taking the exact same time. So let’s see what the Quran tells us more.
41:9. Say: “Do you refuse to believe in Him who created the earth in TWO SPANS of time, and set up compeers to Him, the Lord of all the worlds?
41:9 Say, “What! Do you indeed deny Him Who has created the earth in TWO STAGES? (Firstly when it shot away like a fiery ball from the Cosmic matter and secondly, when it cooled off sufficiently to become habitable). And would you still ascribe rivals unto Him? He it is, the Sustainer of the Worlds.” (36:40, 79:30).
As you can see, the Quran explains here, that the earth is part of the heavens, the stars and all other formations in the universe. So this refers to all formations in the universe of stars and planet-bodies took 2 stages. Remember these stages don’t refer to every stage taking the same amount of time, but refer to different stages, parts of development. So let’s see to which stages the Quran refers too:
THE TWO STAGES OF CREATING THE PLANETS AND STARS.
STAGE 1 THE BIG-BANG
21:30 Are the unbelievers not aware (after this proclamation) that the heavens and the earth used to be ONE SOLID MASS/RATAQ/ رتقا that We exploded into parting/FATAQ/ففتقناهما? And that out of water We made every living thing? Will they not, then, acknowledge the Truth?
Cosmologist Martin Rees in his book “Our cosmic habit”:
“Our universe may once have been squeezed to a single point, but everyone whether on earth, or Andromeda, or even on the galaxies remotest from us can equally claim to have started from that point..”(page 55)
Astrophysicist Paul Davies in his book “The mind of God”:
“….the basis of the well-known big-bang theory, according to which the entire universe came into existence abruptly, about fifteen billion years ago, in a gigantic explosion.”(page 47)
“The universe evidently began, in some sense,”wound up”, and is still currently unwinding.[..]If one imagines “running the cosmic movie backward”, then the galaxies get closer and closer together until they merge.`(pages 47-8)
Look at the words he choose: “wound up”, and see what words God used for: “solid mass/bound together”. It coincides perfectly.
Also really important note is the use of the word “fataq” which means: to break, dissolve, seperate, split. And the opposite word “rataq” meaning: to merging, attaching of elements to make them one. These are the perfect definitions for the big-bang, where one word defines the “rataq” defines exactly the situation from before the big-bang, as the word “fataq” defines exactly the situation of the big-bang itself and the spreading of the energy.
Just as the Big Bang in reality is an unwinding of the Universe, in the same way it will role up again. Or as explained by Edward Hardy in his “Origin and Evolution of Universe”:
“In some tens of times 10to the 9th years, the recession of the neighbouring galactic systems will cease, and the process will start to reverse.”
21:104 On that Day We shall roll up the Sky as a written scroll is rolled up. Then, just as We initiated the first Creation, We shall create a new Universe. This is a Promise incumbent upon Us. Truly We shall fulfill it.
Then the expansion began, Paul Davies again:
“They found that the universe is, in fact, EXPANDING, with the galaxies rushing away from each other.”(page 47)
51:47 And it is We Who have built the Universe, and behold, We are steadily STEADILY EXPANDING IT.
STAGE 2 EVOLVING FROM LOOSE ENERGY AND MATTER INTO CLUSTERS OF PLANETS AND STARS
41:11 Likewise, He it is Who designed well the Sky when it was SMOKE/DUKHAAN (Nebulae of gas). And He said to it and the earth, “Come both of you willingly or unwillingly.” They said, “We do come, obedient.” (‘Thumm’ = Afterward, then, so, likewise, similarly, in the like manner. The Cosmic bodies coming into their orbits willingly or unwillingly indicates their having been made subservient to the Divine Laws, without free will 3:82, 13:15).
Astrophysicists Neil deGrasse Tyson and Donald Goldsmith in their book “Origins”:
“[..attempting to explain the formation of the sun and its planets, Kant proposed a “nebular hypothesis” according to which a SWIRLING MASS OF GAS AND DUST that surrounded our star-in-formation condensed into clumps that became the planets.[…]Astrophysicists now have good evidence that stars form, not one by one but by the thousands and tens of thousands, within giant CLOUDS OF GAS AND DUST that may eventually give birth to about a million individual stars.”(page 185-6)
Now look at the term used here in the Quran, the word “dukhaan” which means literaly “smoke”. Smoke is made up out of GAS AND DUST, so there could not have been a better word for it to be used. As in the quote above it is clearly mentioned the stars and planets where formed out of GAS AND DUST .
After these 2 stages that took billions of years(estimated around 10 billion years) our earth was formed, then after the forming of the young earth the last 4 stages occurred that formed life.
79:30 And after that He made the earth shoot out from the Cosmic Nebula and made it spread out egg-shaped. (‘Dahaha’ entails all the meanings
rendered 21:30, 41:11).
41:10 And He it is Who placed therein firm mountains towering above it, and bestowed enduring Bliss upon it. And He measured therein its sustenance in Four Seasons, alike for all who (invariably) need it. (39:67, 56:63-73).
21:30 Are the unbelievers not aware (after this proclamation) that the heavens and the earth used to be one solid mass that We exploded into parting? And that out of water We made every living thing? Will they not, then, acknowledge the Truth?
20:50 He replied, “Our Lord is He who creates and shapes everything, assigns its role and guides it aright.”
THE FOUR STAGES OF LIFE.
These are the last four stages, which together with the first two stages of the creation. Give together the six that are mentioned in the verses 10:3, 11:7, 57:4 and 32:4.
Allah is called our Rabb, which means: Who fosters, nourishes, brings up and regulate the things from the crudest state to that of the highest perfection, is such a matter to make it attain one condition after an other until it reaches its goal of completion.
He is also called Al-Bari, the Evolver and Al-Masuwwir, the Bestower of Forms/Fashioner in 59:24.
The concept of Evolution was first described by the Greeks, but it was further developed by the early Muslims. Great Muslim scholars and scientists as Al-Kindi, Ibn-Rushd, Ibn Tufayl, Ibn-Arabi, Ibn-Khaldun al described and promoted the concept of Evolution. Before the 1800’s, Evolution Theory was known in Europe as the ‘Muhammedan Creation Theory’ and was described in almost all Muslim Medicine and Science Books. It was also part of normal education in the Muslim schools and Universities.
Ibn Khaldun [1332-1406, 400 years before Darwin!] wrote in his Muqaddimah, an Introduction to History:
“One should then look at the world of Creation. It started out from the minerals and progressed, in an ingenious, gradual manner to plants and animals. The last stage of minerals is connected with the first stage of plants, such as herbs and seedles plants. The last stage of plants such as palms and vine sis connected with the first stage of animals, such as snails and shellfish which have only the power to touch. The word ‘connection’ with regard to these created things means that the last stage of each group is fully prepared to become the first stage of the next group. The animal world then widens, its species become numerous, and, in a gradual process of creation, it finally leads to man, who is able to think and reflect. The higher stage of man is reached from the world of monkeys, in which both sagacity and perception are found, but which has not reached the stage of klix reflection and thinking. At this point we come to the first stage of man ( after the world of monkeys). This is as far as our (physical) observation extends.”
This is just one example out of hundreds of opinions and observations made by Muslim scholars in the early centuries of Islam. When Darwin made his own speculations based on the Muslim Theory of Evolution, it was taken up by the Materialist Movement of the West. Because the Theory of Evolution is not supported by the Bible, and also because Darwin’s speculations gave room for a Creator-less creation, Darwin’s version of the Theory was taken up by the Atheist. Through this Evolution Theory was seen as equal to Atheism, and Muslims, through loss of their knowledge and their aversion of the Materialist Colonial powers of the West that had conquered them, became to reject the Theory of Evolution. And took up together with the Christian world, the concept of Instant Creation. A concept that goes directly against the language of the Quran and its Message as will be shown.
The FIRST of these four, refer to the emergence and forming of the first larger amino-acids, which formed RNA and DNA. This started in water, and then from clay. The primal soup is were the first amino-acids were formed, and which afterwards developed further into RNA and DNA in the clay-layers surrounding the pools. These pools were a mixture of sulphurs, acids and salts, which were heated by the young earth’s crust. These pools can still be found today around the earth, and also at the sea bottom you have underwater volcano’s which gave the perfect mixture of heat, carbon, sulphurs, acids, salts and water. Both places are adressed in the Quran.
Primal soup and underwater volcano’s:
25:54 And He it is Who has created the human being from this very water, (21:30, 24:45) and then He has established relationships by lineage and by marriage, for, your Lord is the Designer of all things. (The best relationships are established on the basis of Ideology 3:102, 49:10-13).
21:30 Are the unbelievers not aware (after this proclamation) that the heavens and the earth used to be one solid mass that We exploded into parting? And that out of water We made every living thing? Will they not, then, acknowledge the Truth?
24:45 And Allah has created every living creature from water. (Life began in water 21:30). Some of them crawl on their bellies, some walk on two legs, and some walk on four. Allah creates things with a Purpose and according to His Laws. He has Supreme control over all things and events and verily, Allah is the Appointer of due measure of all things.
Development of RNA and DNA in the Clay particles surrounding the heat pools:
32:7 Who created everything in perfect balance. Thus He initiated the creation of man (kind) from hydrated inorganic matter.
32:8 Then He made him to be reproduced out of the essence of a humble fluid. (The inorganic matter was hydrated and from its extract life was initiated. Eventually, the evolution reached a point when procreation with male and female gametes was established 37:11).
15:26 And, indeed, We created man from sounding clay, out of dark inorganic matter. (37:11).
15:28 Recall when your Sustainer said to the angels, “Behold, I am about to create a mortal man out of inorganic matter.” (2:30-35, 7:11-22, 17:61, 19:21, 20:116-120).
15:33 He replied, “I am not one to bow to man whom You have created from sounding clay out of inorganic matter.”
32:7 Who created everything in perfect balance. Thus He initiated the creation of man (kind) from hydrated inorganic matter.
55:14 He created/Khalaqa the human out of inorganic matter that sounded like an empty pot/Fakha’ar. (And it was empty of a trace of the finished form).
The word Fakha’ar means: baked pottery or a baked vessel of clay. The word Khalaqa means: To bring a thing into existence according to a certain measure, or proportion, so as to make it equal to another thing that is not pre-existing. Together it will make the verse like this:
55:14 He formed and proportioned the human through successive stages as Clay is molded into shape and stages and baked into pottery.
23:12 Now, indeed, We created the human being from the essence/Sulalah of clay. (22:5).
The word Sulalah means: An extract of a thing, the clear, or pure, part or choice, or best, or most excellent part of a thing. One may conclude that man was created from an extract of clay. Does sulalah refer to silicone? Scientists belief that mineral Clay particles were the catalysts, as well as stabilizer in the polymerisation reaction of amino acids to RNA and DNA.
Here is an quotation of one of Holland’s leading scholars, Professor dr. Stephen B.J.Menken, Chief Evolution biologist of Amsterdam University in “The Origin” by Niki Korteweg:
“With the making of the first step to the primal soup which contains all basicelements for life to a living organism, we stumble upon a lot of problems. One of the problems is the UV-radiation of the sun. We are protected by our skin and the earth’s ozonlayer from the worst radiation. The young earth didn’t have a protecting ozonlayer, so the UV-radiation reached freely the atmosphere and the top waterlayers. A second problem is that the most simple organic substances can move in all directions in a watery substance. For life to emerge, it is necassery that the substances remain together, a third problem is the sensitivity of DNA and RNA, mainly the carbonic-sugars, which brake apart easy.
There must have happened two things will the substances of the primal soup evolve to something more complicating, to life. The substances must remain together and protected against harmfull influences from outside.[..]
The second most important theory is that of the clayparticles. These particles are common on earth. They’re layered, smaller then two micrometre and can bind all organic molecules and make them react with each other. On the surface of the clayparticles, can by example, RNA been build up from simple molecules. Next to that, enhance the clayparticles, the forming of fatty-acids, in which an enviroment can evolve which is separated from the outside world.[..] The walls of every cell, of plants, animals and fungies, are build up out of double layered fatty-acids.[..] In a solution of fatty-acids together with clayparticles, bindings emerge of double layered fatty-acids.[…] If on the surface of the enclosed clayparticles, molecules get ‘stuck’, this can be most important for the origins of life,then by this theory can we explain the build of the primitive cell.”
7:189 (The Message encompasses life in its totality.) Recall that Allah created life from a single life cell, then made male and female cells, and then shaped you into human beings, males and females….. .”
The SECOND STAGE is that of the first one-celled, the blue-algae’s that produced also large quantities of oxygen. These one-celled made the first steps for complexer organisms, and evolved further into other one-celled, and later one formed complexer multi-celled clusters. In these clusters, each cell got its own function, as they were all separate cells working together, without a central nerve-system. As the environmental changes forced the clusters into becoming more complex and in need for a central control centre, which triggered the forming of cells with the function of guiding the other cells functions, a simple nerve-system.
The Algues were the first producers of Oxygen. Without these large amounts of algae’s, the Oxygen layer would not have formed, and further complexer life would not have been possible. Oxigen is only formed in plant life, with exception of some Bacteria. Without the green plants, we would not have been here:
36:80 (The same Creator) Who produces for you fire out of the GREEN TREE, so that, behold, you kindle from it.
Green trees produce Oxygen that makes fire possible. It is open carbon fuel fire that pushed our development. When man was still in its prehistoric form, we ate raw meat and plants. To chew on this, large muscles were needed for our jaws and also large intestines were needed to process the raw food. When mankind started to use fire for cooking its food. The bodies of cells in the food were broken, and thus easier to process. Normally it took us hours of chewing to destroy the cell-bodies in the food. Now it only took minutes. This meant that the large muscles on our skulls were not needed anymore, and so more room was given for growth of our brain, that first was held up by the needed space for the large jaw-muscles.
Also our intestines could become shorter, and so our body could walk more erect. This simultaneous spur of growth and new possibilities for our brain and body, made us take large steps of development, that before took 100.000’s of years, and which now were taken in steps of 40-20.000 years.
The green plant life created the possibility for complex life by creating an Oxigen atmosphere, and it also created the way for ancient man to make the step from ape-man to modern humans. This is why fire is so important to mention as done in 36:80.
The THIRD STAGE was the multiple-celled organisms that emerged from the multi-celled clusters that had simple nerve-systems. These evolved further into far complexer organisms with specific organs and highly complex nerve-systems. As the early reptiles(including dinosaurs), birds, insects, fishes and other sealife, amfibiants and mammals. After this third stage, it was ready for the fourth and last stage, that of the beings with highly evolved nerve-systems that have high consciousness’s.
24:45 And Allah has created every living creature from water. (Life began in water 21:30). Some of them crawl on their bellies, some walk on two legs, and some walk on four. Allah creates things with a Purpose and according to His Laws. He has Supreme control over all things and events and verily, Allah is the Appointer of due measure of all things.
STAGE FOUR The emergence of humans. This process took millions of years. Where each stage succeeded one another. Till we, the homo sapiens are the last result. And also other higher mammals as whales and dolphins.
Stephen Jay Gould says in “Ever Since Darwin”:
Evolution usually proceeds by “speciation”—the splitting of one lineage from a parental stock—not by slow transformation of these large parental stocks. Repeated episodes of speciation produce a bush.(Page 61)
82:7 Who created you, then fashioned you, then proportioned you? (95:4).
82:8 Having shaped you and put you together well/Rakkaba in accordance with His Laws. (59:24).
The verb Rakkaba means “to create a thing from components; put or set one part of it upon another“. Thus referring that we are the results of earlier processes.
80:17 Man destroys himself, how ungrateful, rejecting the Sublime Truth!
80:18 Out of what thing has He created him?
80:19 From the male and the female gametes He created him, and then
fashioned him in DUE PROPORTION/FAQADDARAHU.
Faqaddarah means:
Fa= (Allah) determines
Qaddara=proportions/measure
Hu=of ( the newly formed human)
This can be seen as a reference to the DNA, which contains the complete program of all the proportions of the human body.
7:11 We created you, then shaped you, then told the angels, “Be of service to Adam! And they agreed to be of service, all but Iblis (Satan). He was not of the subservient. [Take a panoramic view of your common origin. Life began as a single life cell from hydrated inorganic matter (23:13). We made you Adam (Homo sapiens, male and female). And We made the angels (the Universal Forces) subservient to you. Satan or Iblis, your own rebellious desire, refused to submit to your higher controls of judgment.]
The word Adam comes from the Root Adama which literally means: To reconcile, to be brown.
Adam means: Human skin, Human being, Man, Person, Intelligent Person, Brown Man, Human Race, Mankind, Civilized Person, Person who is created from different substances, Person in possession of different powers, One who has heirs, One who enjoys the conforts of Life, One who is by nature social and hard.
2:30 Your Lord announced His Plan to the angels (the Laws and Forces in the Universe), “Behold, I am about to place on Earth A NEW CREATION/KHALIFAH that will have dominion over it.”
Adam means Intelligent Man, which is also the exact meaning of Homo Sapiens, the scientific term for Modern Man. In 2:30, the first humans are called Khalifah, which means One who comes after and stands in the place of someone who precedes him.
6:133 Your Lord is Absolute, the Lord of Mercy. He could replace you with whomever He Will, like He RAISED YOU FROM THE GENERATIONS OF OTHER FOLK.
And who did we succeed? As explained earlier, we used to be different of body-structure because we ate raw food. After we started to cook our food, our body structure became more developed and our brain grew larger. This is directly explain in this verse:
76:28 (Who gave them the mind and body to behave the way they choose?)We it is Who have created them, and strengthened their frame. And if We Will, We can replace them entirely with other nations.
And that our brain grew larger because of the change, through this we developed a personality that could make use of a larger memory and insight:
2:31 And Allah endowed humanity/Adam with the capacity to attain knowledge. Then He showed the angels certain things and said to them, “Tell me if you have the capacity of learning about these, if you are truly better qualified to have supremacy in the planet Earth.
15:29 And when I have perfected him in due proportion and breathed into him something of My Energy, bow before him.” (That something will be the gift of free will, the ability to make decisions 76:3).
We also know that the first humans developed in Africa between 2 million and 200.000 years ago. So our ancestors were black of skin, which is also the MAIN meaning of Adama, To be brown.
71:14 Knowing that He has created you in successive stages.
71:17 And Allah has caused you to grow as a growth from the earth/as a (geneological) tree.
The earlier species were more animal-like, and a lot more aggressive towards other species because of instinct, but our Free Will has not made us less aggressive. This is expressed in 2:30 by the Malikah, the Forces of the Universe:
2:30 …..They exclaimed, “Will you place on it such creation as will cause disorder therein and shed blood! – Whereas we strive to establish Your Glory in the Universe and make manifest that You are Impeccable!” He answered, “Behold, I know that which you know not.”
The Quran shows us perfectly our path from the smallest life cells to the first plantlife. Then to the ape-man to Modern Man who eventually spread from Africa towards the most outer borders of the Earth.
7:172 Your Lord brought forth generations from the Children of Adam, and they have been the living testimony that He creates and provides them with sustenance. “Am I not your Sustainer?” They practically admit, “Yes, verily. We testify.” Thus you cannot say on the Resurrection Day, “We were not aware of this.”
Through this spreading over the earth. The Children of Adam were exposed to different circumstances, and thus their bodies adapted to these circumstances. Eyes adapted, skin color, body hair, body length and so on.
35:28 And of human beings, and other creatures, and the cattle have diverse colors. This is how it is: of all His servants only the ULAMA get some idea of the Glory of Allah (by examining the wonders in Nature. ULAMA = men and women of scientific knowledge. They understand that) Allah is Almighty, the Absolver of imperfections.
30:22 And of His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the diversity of your tongues and colors. Herein, behold, are Signs for those who make best use of what they learn.
And we know today also that species are still in constant development:
29:20 Say, “Travel in the earth and find out how He originated creation. And how afterward, Allah brings forth entirely new forms. Verily, Allah is the Designer of all things.”
42:29 And among His Signs is the creative design of the Heavens and the Earth, and the living creatures which He has dispersed throughout them. And He is Able to gather them together when He will. (Herein is an allusion to the existence of life in other celestial bodies, and to man meeting with the ‘aliens’ some day 16:49).
87:1 Strive to raise the Name of your Lord, the Most High.). 87:2 Who creates and proportions. (So that all things might become what they are meant to be). 87:3 And Who appoints due measure and then shows the way (to all things as to their functions and fullfillment).
BISMILLAHIR RAHMANIR RAHIM
With the Glorious Name of Allah, the Source of Instant and Eternal Beneficence and Mercy Who embraces the entire Universe in His fold, nourishing and taking care of all things for what they are meant to be, just as a mother’s womb nourishes the embryo without any returns.
[‘Rahm’ in ‘Rahman’ and ‘Raheem’ encompasses all the meanings rendered.]
I highly recommend to obtain the below mentioned books for further research and understanding.
SOURCES:
“Dictionary of the Holy Quran” by Abdul Mannan Omar
“Lane’s Lexicon Arabic English Dictionary” by Lane
“Quran As It Explains Itself” by Shabbir Ahmed M.D.
“The Unifying Theory of Everything: by Muhammed Asadi
“Wonders of the Quran” by Organisation Salaam
“Origins of Man” by Maurice Bucaille
“Creation and/or Evolution” by T.O. Shanavas
“Origins” by N.D.Tyson and D.Goldsmith
“The mind of God” by P.Davies
“Our cosmic habitat” by M.Rees
“Origin and Evolution of Universe” by Edward Hardy
“The Origin” by Niki Korteweg
piupiu wrote:Evo, kaže World Economic Forum da je religioznost društva obrnuto proporcionalna njegovom ekonomskom i inom razvoju ... osim u Americi, što bi opet moglo biti interpretirano u smislu omjera raspodjele imućnih i neimućnih u tom društvu, a ne mora biti.
@arzuhal
Provocirao nigdje nisam prvi,reagujem kao svaki tipicni Bosanac,dobar ko hljeb dok me ne dira.Kad sam prijavljivao prozivanje,nisi se javio?!
Ako tebi moze stati pod kapu ovo pljuvanje po Islamu,osobito po Poslaniku a.s.,i smatras da je to u redu ovdje na tvom pf,niti smije ko adekvatno odgovoriti,onda samo reci da je to tako ovdje „pravilo“,jer takvo nesto nisam znao.
Onda neka mnogi objasne kako to da je nauka tek u zadnjih 100 godina pocela da otkriva stvari koje su spomenute u Kuranu prije 1400 godina.Otkriveno je tacno onako kako je opisano pocevsi od nastanka svemira,sirenja,kruzenja planeta,slojeva Zemlje,kretanja planina,pregrade izmedju slanog i slatkog mora,faze nastanka djeteta itd itd.A oni koji se bave naukom a nemuslimani su kazu da nije bilo moguce prije 1400 da se ista otkrije jer nije postojala tehnologija tako da nije nauka ispred vjere nego je Islam ispred nauke i do Sudnjeg dana ce se nesto otkrivati novo.
Ma ključaj ovo, nema ovdje normalne diskusije, samo ubjeđivanje. Za Hardcorea ko god ne vjeruje u ono što i on, to znači da pljuje po onome što on vjeruje. Odmah je on uvrijeđen, napadnut, žrtva i ostalo...Moje je najbolje i jedino ispravno, sve ostalo ne valja...
gost_84 wrote:Onda neka mnogi objasne kako to da je nauka tek u zadnjih 100 godina pocela da otkriva stvari koje su spomenute u Kuranu prije 1400 godina.Otkriveno je tacno onako kako je opisano pocevsi od nastanka svemira,sirenja,kruzenja planeta,slojeva Zemlje,kretanja planina,pregrade izmedju slanog i slatkog mora,faze nastanka djeteta itd itd.A oni koji se bave naukom a nemuslimani su kazu da nije bilo moguce prije 1400 da se ista otkrije jer nije postojala tehnologija tako da nije nauka ispred vjere nego je Islam ispred nauke i do Sudnjeg dana ce se nesto otkrivati novo.
gost_84 wrote:Onda neka mnogi objasne kako to da je nauka tek u zadnjih 100 godina pocela da otkriva stvari koje su spomenute u Kuranu prije 1400 godina.Otkriveno je tacno onako kako je opisano pocevsi od nastanka svemira,sirenja,kruzenja planeta,slojeva Zemlje,kretanja planina,pregrade izmedju slanog i slatkog mora,faze nastanka djeteta itd itd.A oni koji se bave naukom a nemuslimani su kazu da nije bilo moguce prije 1400 da se ista otkrije jer nije postojala tehnologija tako da nije nauka ispred vjere nego je Islam ispred nauke i do Sudnjeg dana ce se nesto otkrivati novo.
Pa odakle vise izvirujete?
Ne da su veoma vidljivi neko se takvi danas pitaju.
gost_84 wrote:Onda neka mnogi objasne kako to da je nauka tek u zadnjih 100 godina pocela da otkriva stvari koje su spomenute u Kuranu prije 1400 godina.Otkriveno je tacno onako kako je opisano pocevsi od nastanka svemira,sirenja,kruzenja planeta,slojeva Zemlje,kretanja planina,pregrade izmedju slanog i slatkog mora,faze nastanka djeteta itd itd.A oni koji se bave naukom a nemuslimani su kazu da nije bilo moguce prije 1400 da se ista otkrije jer nije postojala tehnologija tako da nije nauka ispred vjere nego je Islam ispred nauke i do Sudnjeg dana ce se nesto otkrivati novo.
evo ja cu da dovrsim.. 
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