Republika Turska
- insomnia78
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#10701 Republika Turska
Joj de prestanite vise citirati ponjavu teksta citavu jbt
Izliza prst
S moje sokoćalo
Izliza prst
S moje sokoćalo
- Matzan
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#10702 Re: Republika Turska
insomnia78 wrote:Joj de prestanite vise citirati ponjavu teksta citavu jbt
Izliza prst
S moje sokoćalo
Kaku bolan pornjavu?
- Janjicar
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#10703 Re: Republika Turska
Matzan wrote:insomnia78 wrote:Joj de prestanite vise citirati ponjavu teksta citavu jbt
Izliza prst
S moje sokoćalo
Kaku bolan pornjavu?
Ponjava
- General War
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#10704 Re: Republika Turska
Erdogan: Turkey Ready To Restore Regional Peace Together With Iran And Russia!
Turkey is ready to work towards restoration of peace and stability in the region together with Russia and Iran, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said in a telephone conversation with Iranian counterpart Hassan Rouhani on Monday.
“Today, we are determined more than ever before to contribute to the solution of regional problems hand in hand with Iran and Russia and in cooperation with them,” the Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA) quoted Erdogan as saying. The Turkish president informed Rouhani about the situation in Turkey. “At present, the situation is getting back to normal but it is too early to say that everything is over,” Erdogan said.
For his part, Hassan Rouhani gave credit to the courage and political maturity of the Turkish people who stood up to defend the legitimate authorities. (izgleda da je samo islamska revolucija legitimna)
“Stability and tranquility in Turkey have a positive impact on the atmosphere in the whole region. We have no doubt that tranquility in the Islamic world countries does not suit terrorists and some superpowers,” the Iranian president stressed. He said that the past few days had shown who was Turkey’s friend or enemy both at home and abroad.
A group of insurgents took an abortive coup attempt in Turkey late on July 16. The main confrontation took place in Ankara and Istanbul. The country’s leaders announced later that the coup attempt had been thwarted. According to the latest reports, 208 Turkish nationals died, 100 insurgents were killed and about 1,500 people were injured.
http://goo.gl/Atfh8S
Turkey is ready to work towards restoration of peace and stability in the region together with Russia and Iran, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said in a telephone conversation with Iranian counterpart Hassan Rouhani on Monday.
“Today, we are determined more than ever before to contribute to the solution of regional problems hand in hand with Iran and Russia and in cooperation with them,” the Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA) quoted Erdogan as saying. The Turkish president informed Rouhani about the situation in Turkey. “At present, the situation is getting back to normal but it is too early to say that everything is over,” Erdogan said.
For his part, Hassan Rouhani gave credit to the courage and political maturity of the Turkish people who stood up to defend the legitimate authorities. (izgleda da je samo islamska revolucija legitimna)
“Stability and tranquility in Turkey have a positive impact on the atmosphere in the whole region. We have no doubt that tranquility in the Islamic world countries does not suit terrorists and some superpowers,” the Iranian president stressed. He said that the past few days had shown who was Turkey’s friend or enemy both at home and abroad.
A group of insurgents took an abortive coup attempt in Turkey late on July 16. The main confrontation took place in Ankara and Istanbul. The country’s leaders announced later that the coup attempt had been thwarted. According to the latest reports, 208 Turkish nationals died, 100 insurgents were killed and about 1,500 people were injured.
http://goo.gl/Atfh8S
- arzuhal
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#10705 Re: Republika Turska
Imam svakakvih u PDF-u, al ove su od papira što pominjemButtscratcha wrote:De tih knjiga pošalji ako imaš u PDF formatu.arzuhal wrote:Ja imam dosta knjiga Saida Nursija, al' meščini nijednu od Gullena, iako sam ih čitao...Znači, siguran sam...Doduše kod mene bi našli i Marxa, Engelsa, Lenjina...Ko god bi uletio i pretresao ja bih zijanio...
- Matzan
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#10706 Re: Republika Turska
Janjicar wrote:Matzan wrote:insomnia78 wrote:Joj de prestanite vise citirati ponjavu teksta citavu jbt
Izliza prst
S moje sokoćalo
Kaku bolan pornjavu?![]()
Ponjavane znas sta je ponjava il trollas ?
Ma malo da relaksiram temu. Gdje neću znati šta je ponjava.
- Bosanac sa dna kace
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#10707 Re: Republika Turska
OOooOO Hvala hvala!Kikibombona wrote:Imas talenat za pisanje, znas dosta toga, ali si potpuno neobjektivan.Bosanac sa dna kace wrote:HvalaBobi wrote:Bosanac sa dna kace,
svaka čast![]()
Ima tu još toga, to bi bilo ''ukratko''...ako imadnem vremena još napisati javim se...
Dok sam citao analizu Erdogana, pozelio sam da zivim u Erdoganovoj Turskoj. Onda sam se prisjetio o kome je rijec i sa gnusanjem odbacio takvu pomisao.
Daj malo objektivnosti, nije Erdogan Bog. Razumijem da ga volis, ali daj malo...
Hajd bujrum, vidi kako je u Erdoanovoj Turskoj.
Ne kažem da je Erdoan bog, božanstvo ili nešto slično. Erdoan je kao i svi političari oportunista. Dakle, on je samo iskoristio/iskorištava bolje od Gulena činjenicu da je turski narod kroz obrazovni sistem sveden na nivo ovce. Mislim da u čitavoj historiji modern Turske nije bilo političara niti javne ličnosti koja je uspjela gotovo svaku situaciju preokrenuti u svoju korist. Recimo svi kažu da je u Turskoj obrazovanje do vojnog puča 1980. godine bilo jako kvalitetno i uključivalo je jako puno isčitavanja knjiga iz raznih vrsta književnosti kao i jako puno logike. Međutim, nakon puča 1980. godine da mase naroda ne bi opet “skrenule” u komunizam neko se dosjetio da skrati obrazovni plan i program na svim nivoima. Kao rezultat toga danas imaš ljude sa fakultetskim diplomama u oblasti društvenih nauka sa nekih od prestižnih univerziteta i koji ne znaju osnove pravopisa turskog jezika, ne znaju pojasniti neke najosnovnije stvari iz gramatike turskog jezika, znaju riješiti neki super težak zadatak iz matematike ali ne znaju da ga objasne, ne razume gotovo pa polovinu nekog teksta koji je napisan prije nekih 40-50 godina. Na kraju imaš situaciju da im pravopis i gramatiku ispravlja ili piše neke tekstove osoba koja je počela učiti turski jezik sa nekih 14-15 godina. To što su takve osobe danas vojska Erdoanova nije kriv Erdoan već oni pučisti i kemalisti koji nisu razmišljali o tome šta će se desiti za 20-30 godina kada broj obaveznih lektira u osnovnoj i srednjoj školi svedu na minimum, kada broj nekih logičkoh zadaća iz raznih predmeta svedu na minimum itd itd. Oni se danas mogu ujesti za onu stvar, jer Erdoan sve to okreće u svoju korist.
Erodan je krenuo kao neka vrsta musliamnskog socijaliste, bukvalno sa ulice. Kada o tome čitam čini mi se da je sve u početku išlo tako spontano i nevino. Recimo kada je 2003. godine bila proslava Dana republike na 29. oktobra, hizmetske novine Zaman su sutra dan dale na čitavu stranicu o tome kako supruge AK parti funkcionera nisu mogle ući na banket zbog zabrane mahrame. Budući daj e bio ramazan, Erdoanova supruga, Emine, nije htjela nikako ulaziti i svađati se oko toga da je to njezino demokratsko pravo, već se odlučila da iftari kod jedne sirmašne porodice sjedeći na podu. Tu je naravno bila priča kako je ona jela što i oni, I kako je obećala da će stipendirati djevojčice itd. Eto to je jedna od slika koju ja imam o AK Partiji iz mojih prvih dana boravka u Turskoj.
- Kikibombona
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#10708 Re: Republika Turska
Dobro. Iznio si dosta toga pozitivnog vezanog za Erdogana i AKP. Slazem se da su neke stvari u njegovom radu pozitivne.Bosanac sa dna kace wrote: OOooOO Hvala hvala!![]()
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Hajd bujrum, vidi kako je u Erdoanovoj Turskoj.
Ne kažem da je Erdoan bog, božanstvo ili nešto slično. Erdoan je kao i svi političari oportunista. Dakle, on je samo iskoristio/iskorištava bolje od Gulena činjenicu da je turski narod kroz obrazovni sistem sveden na nivo ovce. Mislim da u čitavoj historiji modern Turske nije bilo političara niti javne ličnosti koja je uspjela gotovo svaku situaciju preokrenuti u svoju korist. Recimo svi kažu da je u Turskoj obrazovanje do vojnog puča 1980. godine bilo jako kvalitetno i uključivalo je jako puno isčitavanja knjiga iz raznih vrsta književnosti kao i jako puno logike. Međutim, nakon puča 1980. godine da mase naroda ne bi opet “skrenule” u komunizam neko se dosjetio da skrati obrazovni plan i program na svim nivoima. Kao rezultat toga danas imaš ljude sa fakultetskim diplomama u oblasti društvenih nauka sa nekih od prestižnih univerziteta i koji ne znaju osnove pravopisa turskog jezika, ne znaju pojasniti neke najosnovnije stvari iz gramatike turskog jezika, znaju riješiti neki super težak zadatak iz matematike ali ne znaju da ga objasne, ne razume gotovo pa polovinu nekog teksta koji je napisan prije nekih 40-50 godina. Na kraju imaš situaciju da im pravopis i gramatiku ispravlja ili piše neke tekstove osoba koja je počela učiti turski jezik sa nekih 14-15 godina. To što su takve osobe danas vojska Erdoanova nije kriv Erdoan već oni pučisti i kemalisti koji nisu razmišljali o tome šta će se desiti za 20-30 godina kada broj obaveznih lektira u osnovnoj i srednjoj školi svedu na minimum, kada broj nekih logičkoh zadaća iz raznih predmeta svedu na minimum itd itd. Oni se danas mogu ujesti za onu stvar, jer Erdoan sve to okreće u svoju korist.
Erodan je krenuo kao neka vrsta musliamnskog socijaliste, bukvalno sa ulice. Kada o tome čitam čini mi se da je sve u početku išlo tako spontano i nevino. Recimo kada je 2003. godine bila proslava Dana republike na 29. oktobra, hizmetske novine Zaman su sutra dan dale na čitavu stranicu o tome kako supruge AK parti funkcionera nisu mogle ući na banket zbog zabrane mahrame. Budući daj e bio ramazan, Erdoanova supruga, Emine, nije htjela nikako ulaziti i svađati se oko toga da je to njezino demokratsko pravo, već se odlučila da iftari kod jedne sirmašne porodice sjedeći na podu. Tu je naravno bila priča kako je ona jela što i oni, I kako je obećala da će stipendirati djevojčice itd. Eto to je jedna od slika koju ja imam o AK Partiji iz mojih prvih dana boravka u Turskoj.
Mozes li napisati sta je po tebi negativno od noga sto je uradio?
Sta je negativno po tursko drustvo, po ekonomsku perspektivu?
Cisto da vidimo kakav si kada pises kriticki osvrt. Hvalospjevi ti odlicno idu.
- General War
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#10709 Re: Republika Turska
Ok, to je jako delikatno pitanje gdje su tacno, posebno naslovi iz novina vode u totalno drugacijem smjeru, da ilustrujem kolika je to nepoznanica:Janjicar wrote:Mah nebitno brate, nego ja nisam znao pa kad si ti rekAo mislio sam da nema i slucajno naletih na ovu vijest ...General War wrote:Vjerovatno mislis na mene...da se ne smaram sto puta ponavljjuci razlog sto sam ovo rekao, OK ima.Janjicar wrote:http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/19/polit ... index.html
Gdje je onaj forumas od neki dan sto meni sa sigurnoscu govori da nema US nuklearki u Turskoj
Kako vidis niti turski parlament "ne zna tacno" ima li ih ili nema...vec se pozivaju na wiki (sto je opet stvar za sebe, ko i zasto dostavlja info wikiju)...CNN tvrdi da ima 50, a turci 90 nuklearki...mislim da je samo da se zadrzi medijska paznja...jos od Sadama nebi smjele biti tamo.There are 90 nuclear bombs in Turkey, Republican People’s Party MP, Shokri Elekdag stated in the Turkish Parlament.
According to him, United States deployed 90 atomic bombs (model B 61), in Turkey during the Cold War, under the pretext of defense from the former Soviet Union. Turkish MP demanded an explanation from the Foreign Minister Ahmed Davutdoglu.
The MP reminded that in a secret cable dated November 12, 2009, published by WikiLeaks, U.S. Ambassador to Germany, admits the existence of these bombs on Turkish territory. He reported that the presence of these bombs is also confirmed by the Assistant Secretary of State Department, Philip Gordon, TRT reports.
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Kaligula I
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#10710 Re: Republika Turska
...hajde da ti odgovorim, ali bez želje za dubljom diskusijom jer smo u ofu...dakle, ideologija privatizacije predstavlja; monopol, intervenciju države, povećanje cijena, netransparentnost, moguću korupciju, dakle sve suprotno od ideologije tržišta...Bodkin wrote:Zato sto se 95% ljudi razbacuje izrazima kojima ne zna definiciju. Bez da impliciram da ti ne znas, sta je ideologija privatizacije? Jer da bi nesto bilo neo, mora biti da su prije njih bili slicni. Kako je ideologija privatizacije neo i u odnosu na koga prije?Kaligula I wrote:...ako smijem ja bih odgovorio; neoliberalizam znači ideologiju privatizacije, a liberalizam ideologiju tržišta...to bi bila generalna razlika...naravno da postoje i sličnosti i razlike ove dvije ideologije...nego, mene zanima zašto ti tražiš odgovor na pitanje koji i sam znaš?...Bodkin wrote:
Sta znaci neoliberalni? Sta su karakteristike neoliberala? I ko su bili liberali?
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Kaligula I
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#10711 Re: Republika Turska
...hajde da ti odgovorim, ali bez želje za dubljom diskusijom jer smo u ofu...dakle, ideologija privatizacije predstavlja; monopol, intervenciju države, povećanje cijena, netransparentnost, moguću korupciju, dakle sve suprotno od ideologije tržišta...Bodkin wrote:Zato sto se 95% ljudi razbacuje izrazima kojima ne zna definiciju. Bez da impliciram da ti ne znas, sta je ideologija privatizacije? Jer da bi nesto bilo neo, mora biti da su prije njih bili slicni. Kako je ideologija privatizacije neo i u odnosu na koga prije?Kaligula I wrote:...ako smijem ja bih odgovorio; neoliberalizam znači ideologiju privatizacije, a liberalizam ideologiju tržišta...to bi bila generalna razlika...naravno da postoje i sličnosti i razlike ove dvije ideologije...nego, mene zanima zašto ti tražiš odgovor na pitanje koji i sam znaš?...Bodkin wrote:
Sta znaci neoliberalni? Sta su karakteristike neoliberala? I ko su bili liberali?
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SA 071
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#10712 Re: Republika Turska
U revoluciji u Iranu je skinut Šah, a ne demokratski izabrani predsjednikGeneral War wrote:Erdogan: Turkey Ready To Restore Regional Peace Together With Iran And Russia!
Turkey is ready to work towards restoration of peace and stability in the region together with Russia and Iran, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said in a telephone conversation with Iranian counterpart Hassan Rouhani on Monday.
“Today, we are determined more than ever before to contribute to the solution of regional problems hand in hand with Iran and Russia and in cooperation with them,” the Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA) quoted Erdogan as saying. The Turkish president informed Rouhani about the situation in Turkey. “At present, the situation is getting back to normal but it is too early to say that everything is over,” Erdogan said.
For his part, Hassan Rouhani gave credit to the courage and political maturity of the Turkish people who stood up to defend the legitimate authorities. (izgleda da je samo islamska revolucija legitimna)
“Stability and tranquility in Turkey have a positive impact on the atmosphere in the whole region. We have no doubt that tranquility in the Islamic world countries does not suit terrorists and some superpowers,” the Iranian president stressed. He said that the past few days had shown who was Turkey’s friend or enemy both at home and abroad.
A group of insurgents took an abortive coup attempt in Turkey late on July 16. The main confrontation took place in Ankara and Istanbul. The country’s leaders announced later that the coup attempt had been thwarted. According to the latest reports, 208 Turkish nationals died, 100 insurgents were killed and about 1,500 people were injured.
http://goo.gl/Atfh8S
- vivaldi
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#10713 Re: Republika Turska
daj sta das..turcima samo za drzanje glave iznad vode, svaki dan treba 550 miliona dolara svjezeg kapitala. to do sada nije bio problem, ali sa zakuhavanjem sa zapadom...General War wrote:Erdogan: Turkey Ready To Restore Regional Peace Together With Iran And Russia!
Turkey is ready to work towards restoration of peace and stability in the region together with Russia and Iran, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said in a telephone conversation with Iranian counterpart Hassan Rouhani on Monday.
“Today, we are determined more than ever before to contribute to the solution of regional problems hand in hand with Iran and Russia and in cooperation with them,” the Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA) quoted Erdogan as saying. The Turkish president informed Rouhani about the situation in Turkey. “At present, the situation is getting back to normal but it is too early to say that everything is over,” Erdogan said.
For his part, Hassan Rouhani gave credit to the courage and political maturity of the Turkish people who stood up to defend the legitimate authorities. (izgleda da je samo islamska revolucija legitimna)
“Stability and tranquility in Turkey have a positive impact on the atmosphere in the whole region. We have no doubt that tranquility in the Islamic world countries does not suit terrorists and some superpowers,” the Iranian president stressed. He said that the past few days had shown who was Turkey’s friend or enemy both at home and abroad.
A group of insurgents took an abortive coup attempt in Turkey late on July 16. The main confrontation took place in Ankara and Istanbul. The country’s leaders announced later that the coup attempt had been thwarted. According to the latest reports, 208 Turkish nationals died, 100 insurgents were killed and about 1,500 people were injured.
http://goo.gl/Atfh8S
- arzuhal
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#10714 Re: Republika Turska
Ma ima toga da se downloaduje bruku...
- General War
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#10715 Re: Republika Turska
...zato sto je bila kraljevina..Iranci kazu legitimna ne "demokratski izabrana"..da i ja napomenem.SA 071 wrote:U revoluciji u Iranu je skinut Šah, a ne demokratski izabrani predsjednikGeneral War wrote:Erdogan: Turkey Ready To Restore Regional Peace Together With Iran And Russia!
Turkey is ready to work towards restoration of peace and stability in the region together with Russia and Iran, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said in a telephone conversation with Iranian counterpart Hassan Rouhani on Monday.
“Today, we are determined more than ever before to contribute to the solution of regional problems hand in hand with Iran and Russia and in cooperation with them,” the Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA) quoted Erdogan as saying. The Turkish president informed Rouhani about the situation in Turkey. “At present, the situation is getting back to normal but it is too early to say that everything is over,” Erdogan said.
For his part, Hassan Rouhani gave credit to the courage and political maturity of the Turkish people who stood up to defend the legitimate authorities. (izgleda da je samo islamska revolucija legitimna)
“Stability and tranquility in Turkey have a positive impact on the atmosphere in the whole region. We have no doubt that tranquility in the Islamic world countries does not suit terrorists and some superpowers,” the Iranian president stressed. He said that the past few days had shown who was Turkey’s friend or enemy both at home and abroad.
A group of insurgents took an abortive coup attempt in Turkey late on July 16. The main confrontation took place in Ankara and Istanbul. The country’s leaders announced later that the coup attempt had been thwarted. According to the latest reports, 208 Turkish nationals died, 100 insurgents were killed and about 1,500 people were injured.
http://goo.gl/Atfh8SOvo je samo mala napomena da se ne pomiješaju ove dvije stvari...
- General War
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#10716 Re: Republika Turska
Ma nije problem, Venecuela je bas ono lijep primjer kad cackas mecku...i Cavez se svasta nadao, i u nadi potrosio 100 milijardi kesa za nepunu deceniju...koliko negdje porcitah.vivaldi wrote:daj sta das..turcima samo za drzanje glave iznad vode, svaki dan treba 550 miliona dolara svjezeg kapitala. to do sada nije bio problem, ali sa zakuhavanjem sa zapadom...General War wrote:Erdogan: Turkey Ready To Restore Regional Peace Together With Iran And Russia!
Turkey is ready to work towards restoration of peace and stability in the region together with Russia and Iran, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said in a telephone conversation with Iranian counterpart Hassan Rouhani on Monday.
“Today, we are determined more than ever before to contribute to the solution of regional problems hand in hand with Iran and Russia and in cooperation with them,” the Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA) quoted Erdogan as saying. The Turkish president informed Rouhani about the situation in Turkey. “At present, the situation is getting back to normal but it is too early to say that everything is over,” Erdogan said.
For his part, Hassan Rouhani gave credit to the courage and political maturity of the Turkish people who stood up to defend the legitimate authorities. (izgleda da je samo islamska revolucija legitimna)
“Stability and tranquility in Turkey have a positive impact on the atmosphere in the whole region. We have no doubt that tranquility in the Islamic world countries does not suit terrorists and some superpowers,” the Iranian president stressed. He said that the past few days had shown who was Turkey’s friend or enemy both at home and abroad.
A group of insurgents took an abortive coup attempt in Turkey late on July 16. The main confrontation took place in Ankara and Istanbul. The country’s leaders announced later that the coup attempt had been thwarted. According to the latest reports, 208 Turkish nationals died, 100 insurgents were killed and about 1,500 people were injured.
http://goo.gl/Atfh8S
- Bosanac sa dna kace
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#10718 Re: Republika Turska
Religija, mainstream, Hizmet, ispiranje mozga su ovdje ključni termini u ovoj temi. Termine jednoumlje, Goli otok, UDBA je sudba, OZNA sve dozna, partizanske ofanzive, kozaračko kolo i sl. tražite negdje drugo.Satelit_ wrote: I neupucenom je ovo pristrasan tekst sa dosta nelogicnosti. Prvo, po cemu je mainstream religija manje pranje mozga od Hizmetovih knjiga? I jedno i drugo je samo dogma tj. ne postoji dokaz da u Kuranu ima vise "istine" od bilo kojih drugih bajki. Iz toga proizilazi na nema razlike dal neko klanja 5 puta ili radi nesto drugo. Sta god radili, bilo da se klanjaju spidermanu ili nekom "mainstream" islamskom bogu ili da se krste - sa aspekta neispranog mozga - to je sve jedno te isto i potpuna besmislica. Cak sta vise - pridavati vecu vaznost praktikovanju mainstream religije od slavljena Paje Patka ili Zagora te neja - je indikator vec ispranog mozga.
Milsim da niste pročitali šta sam napisao. Ja nisam napisao da Erdoan hoće spoj sekularnog i vjerskog, već on ima viziju jedne jake, moderne, tehnoloski napredne muslimanske drzave gdje se poštuju i uvazavaju prava gradjana, sprovodi i postuje zakon, spoj savremenog i tradicionalnog, drzava cija je rijec visoko postovana kako u muslimanskim tako i u nemuslimanskim zemljama. Stoga, mnogi Erdoğanovu partiju usporedjuju sa njemackim konzervativcima, a ne kako Vi kažete spoj sekularnog I vjerskog, to što ste Vi zamislili je sasvim nešto drugo. Spoj savremenog i tradicionalnog ne znači nužno neki oksimoron tipa ateizirani islam ili islamizirani ateizam. Spoj savremenog i tradicionlanog u turskom kontesktu bio bi da jedan obični građanin neke velike urbane sredine ima 3-4 šćerke, obrazuje ih u nekim visokoškolskim ustanovama, one upoznaju neke “fine” momke, za udaju nako “kao pitaju”, sve to fino bude propraćeno nekom svadbom itd. Nasuprot njemu je otac iz predgrađa neke velike urbane sredine ili anadolskog sela kojeg pojede to što ima 3-4 šćerke, ne da im da maknu od kuće, škola im je misaona imenica, sve bi se one udale tamo za neke momke, a on gleda kako da ih “uhljebi” nekim njemačarima, one neće, kada jedna od njih pobjegne s momkom on ode i napravi ubitsvo iz časti… Spoj savremenog i tradicionalnog su sve te djevojke s mahramama na glavi koje studiraju, a dolaze iz nekih udaljenih sredina gdje se do juče na obrazovanu ženu gledalo kao na vješticu, spoj je i muškarac koji je doktor nauka, primarijus doktor, univerzitetski professor, inžinjer stručnjak u svojoj oblasti uz to sve hadžija, pater familias sa osmero djece, živi u centru grada vozi neko bijesno auto….Satelit_ wrote: Drugo, navodis kako je jasno da Erdogan hoce neki spoj vjerskog i sekularnog a neobjasnjavas kako kani pomiriti tu nelogicnost. Iz prakse vidimo da je zapravo uopste ne misli pomiriti vec mijenja institucije i ustav ka religijskom. To demohriscani i konzervativci u Njemackoj ne rade niti zagovaraju. Gulenov politicki cilj se ne izgleda manje logican, osim tebi kao autoru ali ne objasnjavas zasto.
A napisao sam da vizija Gulenove države nije uopšte jasna. Prvo je bio sam nacionalista, anti-komunista (iako mu sav pokret liči na komunizam gdje se sve mora dijeliti), pa je bio među kemalistima tokom 1970-tih, pa je 1980-tih podržao umjereno konzervativnog Turguta Ozala, pa poslije njega umjereno sekularnu Tansu Čiller i umjereno konzervativnog Sulejmana Demirela, nakon toga Erdoana. Da ima neku jasnu viziju države ne bi se šalt’o svakih 5-6 godina. Sam pokret meni lično liči na turcizaciju islama, kao jedini su oni ispravni muslimani, dok su svi drugi pod nekom falinkom, o onima koji nisu muslimani da ne pričam. Svi njegovi snimci iz 1970-tih i 1980-ih puni su primitivnog nacionalističkog naboja. To da je Gulenu cilj preuzeti državu pa makar i najogavnijim makjavelističkim metodama svima je jasno, a kakva bi ta država bila nikom još ništa nije jasno, vjerovatno neka preslikana situacija Hizmet sistema u državnim ustanovama. U tom slučaju bih radije birao život u ISIL-u ili Afganistanu.
Pa da, za takvo tržište se zalaže Gulen, samo što je tu namjesto države Hizmet.Satelit_ wrote: I trace, ali manje bitno, americka ekonomska politika uglavnom nije neoliberalna u praksi vec samo u ideologiji. U praksi im je drzava jaka i subvencionira sve od banaka, preko auto industrije, poljoprivrede, vojne industrije itd. Ideju potpunog slobodnog trzista prodaju mahom sirotinji kad hoce da ih ucjene u nekim dealovima.
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#10719 Re: Republika Turska
šta bi sa wikileaksom, jesu li objavili što su najavljivali za tursku?
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#10720 Re: Republika Turska
Wikileaks objavio preko 300.000 mailova i dokumenata od turske vlade,vezanih za puč pokušaj.
https://wikileaks.org/akp-emails/
https://wikileaks.org/akp-emails/
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#10722 Re: Republika Turska
Ma bravo TaJipe, najSIjaci.General War wrote:Erdogan: Turkey Ready To Restore Regional Peace Together With Iran And Russia!
Turkey is ready to work towards restoration of peace and stability in the region together with Russia and Iran, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said in a telephone conversation with Iranian counterpart Hassan Rouhani on Monday.
“Today, we are determined more than ever before to contribute to the solution of regional problems hand in hand with Iran and Russia and in cooperation with them,” the Islamic Republic News Agency (IRNA) quoted Erdogan as saying. The Turkish president informed Rouhani about the situation in Turkey. “At present, the situation is getting back to normal but it is too early to say that everything is over,” Erdogan said.
For his part, Hassan Rouhani gave credit to the courage and political maturity of the Turkish people who stood up to defend the legitimate authorities. (izgleda da je samo islamska revolucija legitimna)
“Stability and tranquility in Turkey have a positive impact on the atmosphere in the whole region. We have no doubt that tranquility in the Islamic world countries does not suit terrorists and some superpowers,” the Iranian president stressed. He said that the past few days had shown who was Turkey’s friend or enemy both at home and abroad.
A group of insurgents took an abortive coup attempt in Turkey late on July 16. The main confrontation took place in Ankara and Istanbul. The country’s leaders announced later that the coup attempt had been thwarted. According to the latest reports, 208 Turkish nationals died, 100 insurgents were killed and about 1,500 people were injured.
http://goo.gl/Atfh8S
Izgleda da je cvrsto odlucio od zemlje napraviti tripizdematerine.
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#10723 Re: Republika Turska
Turkish navy ships still missing after botched coup
Fourteen Turkish navy ships remained at sea and unaccounted for
last night amid concerns that their commanders may be coup conspirators seeking to defect.
Admiral Veysel Kosele, the commander of the Turkish navy, has been out of contact since Friday night’s botched coup, a source confirmed. It is not known whether he was an instigator of the attempt to oust President Erdogan or is being held hostage by collaborators on the run.
Last night the president said that he was almost assassinated when the resort in southwest Turkey where he was staying was stormed and two of his bodyguards killed.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/ ... -nj8vj8xjz
Fourteen Turkish navy ships remained at sea and unaccounted for
Admiral Veysel Kosele, the commander of the Turkish navy, has been out of contact since Friday night’s botched coup, a source confirmed. It is not known whether he was an instigator of the attempt to oust President Erdogan or is being held hostage by collaborators on the run.
Last night the president said that he was almost assassinated when the resort in southwest Turkey where he was staying was stormed and two of his bodyguards killed.
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/ ... -nj8vj8xjz
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#10724 Re: Republika Turska
Da, da, da, sajentolodži bješe termin, sve se nešto ne mogu sjetiti, kad ono Tito_i_parija more bit' da su ti javili iz Centralnog komiteta Komunističke partije Turkse? jesss!Tito_i_Partija wrote:
Koji nevjerovatno subjektivan tekst, bas sam se dobro nasmij'o. Znaci Erdoganovci sve dobri i uzorni muslimani i politicari, dok su Gulenovci ustvari Scientology na kvadrat?![]()
Naravno da neću stati, pomno prati.Tito_i_Partija wrote: Nemoj stat' tu, de nam jos malo o Mehdiju/Sultanu Erdoganu i njegovim herojskim djelima.
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#10725 Re: Republika Turska
Pa jbt nisu papirni brodici da se ne mogu naci. Gdje je onoih 40 helikopteraGeneral War wrote:Turkish navy ships still missing after botched coup
Fourteen Turkish navy ships remained at sea and unaccounted forlast night amid concerns that their commanders may be coup conspirators seeking to defect.
Admiral Veysel Kosele, the commander of the Turkish navy, has been out of contact since Friday night’s botched coup, a source confirmed. It is not known whether he was an instigator of the attempt to oust President Erdogan or is being held hostage by collaborators on the run.
Last night the president said that he was almost assassinated when the resort in southwest Turkey where he was staying was stormed and two of his bodyguards killed.
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http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/ ... -nj8vj8xjz

