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nota1969 wrote: ↑20/08/2022 09:43 kakav je ovo motor ? iz kosilice?

Haris.ba wrote: ↑20/08/2022 09:49

nota1969 wrote: ↑20/08/2022 09:43 kakav je ovo motor ? iz kosilice?

Imas na internetu detaljno rastavljen i klasificiran svaki dio ovoga drona. Bilo je i na ovoj temi vec postavljano. Mislim da su to japanski mali motori. Ti motori se kupuju za razne svrhe. Ali, za vojne dronove bas i ne.

Haris.ba wrote: ↑20/08/2022 09:49

nota1969 wrote: ↑20/08/2022 09:43 kakav je ovo motor ? iz kosilice?

Imas na internetu detaljno rastavljen i klasificiran svaki dio ovoga drona. Bilo je i na ovoj temi vec postavljano. Mislim da su to japanski mali motori. Ti motori se kupuju za razne svrhe. Ali, za vojne dronove bas i ne.

Powerplant: 1 × Saito Manufacturing FA-62B single-cylinder four-stroke gasoline piston engine, 0.71 kW (0.95 hp)

Bossona wrote: ↑20/08/2022 10:02

U jednom trenutku Filatjev opisuje kako su grabljivi padobranci, elita ruske vojske, zauzeli hersonsku luku i odmah počeli otimati 'računala i svu vrijednu robu koju smo mogli pronaći'. Zatim su poharali kuhinje tražeći hranu. "Tamo smo kao divljaci jeli sve: zob, kašu, pekmez, med, kavu...Većina je provela mjesec dana na poljima bez ikakve udobnosti, tuša ili normalne hrane", dodaje. "U kakvo divlje stanje možete dovesti ljude ne razmišljajući o tome da trebaju spavati, jesti i prati se”, napisao je. “Sve oko nas je izazivalo gadan osjećaj; kao jadnici samo smo pokušavali preživjeti”, dodao je. "Znam da će stranom čitatelju zvučati divljački", rekao je, opisujući suborca kako krade računalo. “Ali vojnik zna da to vrijedi više od jedne njegove plaće. I tko zna hoće li sutra uopće biti živ. Pa ga uzima. Ne pokušavam opravdati ono što je učinio. Ali mislim da je važno reći zašto se ljudi tako ponašaju, razumjeti kako ih zaustaviti... Što će osoba učiniti u ovakvim ekstremnim situacijama”, napisao ....

Jedan se ruski vojnik odvažio napisati istinu..

Pročitajte ovo na: https://www.info-ks.net/vijesti/svijet/ ... k-dogoditi

toska wrote: ↑20/08/2022 09:46 Najbolji opis karakteristika ovakvog drona dat je:

Kao avion iz ww1 spor, leti relativno nisko, odraz na radaru sigurno velik zbog mnogo metala bez obzira na materijal trupa..
I takav preleti stotina km Krima I zabije se u komandu flote, nevjerovatno

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Haris.ba wrote: ↑20/08/2022 09:49

Imas na internetu detaljno rastavljen i klasificiran svaki dio ovoga drona. Bilo je i na ovoj temi vec postavljano. Mislim da su to japanski mali motori. Ti motori se kupuju za razne svrhe. Ali, za vojne dronove bas i ne.

Saito FA-62B motor za avio modelarstvo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orlan-10

Powerplant: 1 × Saito Manufacturing FA-62B single-cylinder four-stroke gasoline piston engine, 0.71 kW (0.95 hp)

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japin_mutapi wrote: ↑20/08/2022 09:48

emirolini wrote: ↑20/08/2022 06:16 Eto na sta je spao Orkistan, na srednjovjekovnu robnu razmjenu, u srednji vijek i pripadaju.

mozda je to ta ,,dedolarizacija" koju najavljuju

Ima Bosne_Bice Bosne wrote: ↑20/08/2022 10:19
Zar ne bi bili bolji plinski ili elektricni motori (valjda bi bili tisi)? Nemam znanja iz te oblasti pa zato pitam.

but an issue several Ukrainian contacts have requested me to address. That’s the topic of the most powerful Russian weapon of the last four months: the combination of Orlan-10 UAVs and MSTA-S self-propelled howitzers calibre 152mm.

You’ve never heard of this? Well, to a certain degree: no surprise. In Ukraine, there’s a lots of talk about this issue. It’s been discussed by multiple local military experts for something like two months already. But: in Ukrainian language. Therefore, and then because it’s ‘no good news’, ‘nothing flashy enough’, ‘too technical’, indeed, ‘no story’ for the Western media, this issue is entirely ignored in the West….

Sure, time and again, all the possible experts are going to explain to you how the battlefields of this war are dominated by the Russian artillery. Nobody is going to tell you details, though.

Fact is: since they have withdrawn from northern Ukraine and focused on the Donbass and Kherson, and since they’re ‘fighting frontally’, the Russians are deploying large numbers of Orlan-10 UAVs for reconnaissance. In turn, these are connected to their artillery with help of what’s called an ‘automatic tactical management system’. Called USS TZ, the latter is, essentially, very similar to the Ukrainian Kropyva ATMS, described in an earlier feature, nearly two months ago.

The point is: contrary to the situation during the first 2–3 months of this war, Russians are meanwhile ‘printing’ Orlan-10. Manufacturing them in huge numbers. They can do so because they are made of commercial parts easily obtained from the West and the PR China. They are deploying them in large concentrations over relatively limited combat zones to track down Ukrainian artillery in particular.

This is resulting in two major problems for Ukrainians.

The first is that they actually have no weapons to counter Orlan-10s (photo below). Sure, MANPADs — whether Martlet, or Stinger and Strela — are effective, but there are simply not enough of them. Light anti-aircraft guns are too short-ranged (Orlan-10s are mostly flying above the 1,000–1,500-metre-altitude they can reach), and there are not enough of them around, either.

The second is that the Russians not only have lots of Orlan-10s, but even more of their MSTA-S howitzers, and then at least as many BM-27 Uragan and BM-30 Smerch multiple rocket launchers. This ‘combination’ is making the situation so bad that, on average, an Ukrainian artillery team has something like 1 minute — between 46 and 60 seconds, to be more specific — from the moment it positions its towed M777, or self-propelled Caesar, or Krab, or M109, and fires the first shell, until the Russians start hitting back. Arguably, Russian artillery is not particularly precise, but it’s firing back with so many shells, that ‘at least one of them is going to cause some damage’. And that’s happening too often.

Pay attention: not only that Ukrainians have no means to counter this combination, NATO has none, either. Sure, NATO would try to counter with electronic warfare systems, and ‘anti-UAV rifles’ and similar wizardry, but it would simply not be enough — because of sheer numbers of Orlan-10s and Russian artillery pieces.

This is why there is a serious need for an urgent solution. Not only that Ukrainians need lots of artillery, and lots of electronic warfare systems, but the entire NATO needs a ‘solution’ at least for that ‘Orlan-issue’. Since I doubt anybody can pack an anti-aircraft gun calibre 57–60mm (because this would offer a range sufficient to combat Orlans flying at 2,000–3,000 metres altitude) to a platform the size of Toyota Hilux (because combating Orlan-10 needs a platform that can move at high speed, while a gun calibre 57–60mm is too big and too heavy) — any time soon, and then in anything like sufficient numbers… this means that not only Ukrainians, but the entire West needs a different solution.

….and that, ‘pronto’.

SanskiBiser wrote: ↑20/08/2022 10:46 Mozemo se mi zajebavati sa Orlan 10 ali trenutno je taj dron najveci problem za Ukrajince jer uspjesno se koristi za izvidjanje i navodjenje i korekciju artiljerije, Ukrajinci ih tesko i obaraju ali i kad obore problem je sto su Rusi nasli nacina da ih stancaju i stalno novi dolaze na ratiste

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Mozemo se mi zajebavati sa Orlan 10 ali trenutno je taj dron najveci problem za Ukrajince jer uspjesno se koristi za izvidjanje i navodjenje i korekciju artiljerije, Ukrajinci ih tesko i obaraju ali i kad obore problem je sto su Rusi nasli nacina da ih stancaju i stalno novi dolaze na ratiste.

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but an issue several Ukrainian contacts have requested me to address. That’s the topic of the most powerful Russian weapon of the last four months: the combination of Orlan-10 UAVs and MSTA-S self-propelled howitzers calibre 152mm.

You’ve never heard of this? Well, to a certain degree: no surprise. In Ukraine, there’s a lots of talk about this issue. It’s been discussed by multiple local military experts for something like two months already. But: in Ukrainian language. Therefore, and then because it’s ‘no good news’, ‘nothing flashy enough’, ‘too technical’, indeed, ‘no story’ for the Western media, this issue is entirely ignored in the West….

Sure, time and again, all the possible experts are going to explain to you how the battlefields of this war are dominated by the Russian artillery. Nobody is going to tell you details, though.

Fact is: since they have withdrawn from northern Ukraine and focused on the Donbass and Kherson, and since they’re ‘fighting frontally’, the Russians are deploying large numbers of Orlan-10 UAVs for reconnaissance. In turn, these are connected to their artillery with help of what’s called an ‘automatic tactical management system’. Called USS TZ, the latter is, essentially, very similar to the Ukrainian Kropyva ATMS, described in an earlier feature, nearly two months ago.

The point is: contrary to the situation during the first 2–3 months of this war, Russians are meanwhile ‘printing’ Orlan-10. Manufacturing them in huge numbers. They can do so because they are made of commercial parts easily obtained from the West and the PR China. They are deploying them in large concentrations over relatively limited combat zones to track down Ukrainian artillery in particular.

This is resulting in two major problems for Ukrainians.

The first is that they actually have no weapons to counter Orlan-10s (photo below). Sure, MANPADs — whether Martlet, or Stinger and Strela — are effective, but there are simply not enough of them. Light anti-aircraft guns are too short-ranged (Orlan-10s are mostly flying above the 1,000–1,500-metre-altitude they can reach), and there are not enough of them around, either.

The second is that the Russians not only have lots of Orlan-10s, but even more of their MSTA-S howitzers, and then at least as many BM-27 Uragan and BM-30 Smerch multiple rocket launchers. This ‘combination’ is making the situation so bad that, on average, an Ukrainian artillery team has something like 1 minute — between 46 and 60 seconds, to be more specific — from the moment it positions its towed M777, or self-propelled Caesar, or Krab, or M109, and fires the first shell, until the Russians start hitting back. Arguably, Russian artillery is not particularly precise, but it’s firing back with so many shells, that ‘at least one of them is going to cause some damage’. And that’s happening too often.

Pay attention: not only that Ukrainians have no means to counter this combination, NATO has none, either. Sure, NATO would try to counter with electronic warfare systems, and ‘anti-UAV rifles’ and similar wizardry, but it would simply not be enough — because of sheer numbers of Orlan-10s and Russian artillery pieces.

This is why there is a serious need for an urgent solution. Not only that Ukrainians need lots of artillery, and lots of electronic warfare systems, but the entire NATO needs a ‘solution’ at least for that ‘Orlan-issue’. Since I doubt anybody can pack an anti-aircraft gun calibre 57–60mm (because this would offer a range sufficient to combat Orlans flying at 2,000–3,000 metres altitude) to a platform the size of Toyota Hilux (because combating Orlan-10 needs a platform that can move at high speed, while a gun calibre 57–60mm is too big and too heavy) — any time soon, and then in anything like sufficient numbers…

this means that not only Ukrainians, but the entire West needs a different solution.

….and that, ‘pronto’.

IZ.RU javlja na Telegramu da se, prema riječima proruskog guvernera Savastopolja, Mihaila Razvožajeva, dron srušio na krov sjedišta Crnomorske flote.

"Pogodili smo ga točno iznad stožera flote. Pao je na krov i zapalio se. Nisu uspjeli izvesti napad. Bravo, dečki!" rekao je Razvožajev

Bossona wrote: ↑19/08/2022 23:10
Ove nesretnike nakon ovakvih eksplozija niko neće moći identifikovati jer su ovi nesretnici ubijeni i kremirani. Nakon agresije na Ukrajinu niko ko zna neće kupovati ovo rusko smeće.

Kyuss wrote: ↑20/08/2022 11:42

IZ.RU javlja na Telegramu da se, prema riječima proruskog guvernera Savastopolja, Mihaila Razvožajeva, dron srušio na krov sjedišta Crnomorske flote.

"Pogodili smo ga točno iznad stožera flote. Pao je na krov i zapalio se. Nisu uspjeli izvesti napad. Bravo, dečki!" rekao je Razvožajev

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Bossona wrote: ↑19/08/2022 23:10
Ove nesretnike nakon ovakvih eksplozija niko neće moći identifikovati jer su ovi nesretnici ubijeni i kremirani. Nakon agresije na Ukrajinu niko ko zna neće kupovati ovo rusko smeće.

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Zumbul2 wrote: ↑20/08/2022 12:07 Mali off ali tiče se i teme. Naime vrlo brzo se finalizira sporazum sa Iranom, glavno je da će izvoziti 2,5 miliona barela dnevno. Znači dodatne količine na tržištu i cijena goes down, o gasnim poljima South Parsa da ne govorim. I sve mi nešta govori da možda neće ni biti onih iranskih dronova u Ukrajini.

Zumbul2 wrote: ↑20/08/2022 12:07 Mali off ali tiče se i teme. Naime vrlo brzo se finalizira sporazum sa Iranom, glavno je da će izvoziti 2,5 miliona barela dnevno. Znači dodatne količine na tržištu i cijena goes down, o gasnim poljima South Parsa da ne govorim. I sve mi nešta govori da možda neće ni biti onih iranskih dronova u Ukrajini.

Ermin ZM wrote: ↑20/08/2022 12:17

Zumbul2 wrote: ↑20/08/2022 12:07 Mali off ali tiče se i teme. Naime vrlo brzo se finalizira sporazum sa Iranom, glavno je da će izvoziti 2,5 miliona barela dnevno. Znači dodatne količine na tržištu i cijena goes down, o gasnim poljima South Parsa da ne govorim. I sve mi nešta govori da možda neće ni biti onih iranskih dronova u Ukrajini.

A kako ce im se oduzit za lansirane satelite?

Kyuss wrote: ↑20/08/2022 11:42

IZ.RU javlja na Telegramu da se, prema riječima proruskog guvernera Savastopolja, Mihaila Razvožajeva, dron srušio na krov sjedišta Crnomorske flote.

"Pogodili smo ga točno iznad stožera flote. Pao je na krov i zapalio se. Nisu uspjeli izvesti napad. Bravo, dečki!" rekao je Razvožajev

Kyuss wrote: ↑20/08/2022 11:42

IZ.RU javlja na Telegramu da se, prema riječima proruskog guvernera Savastopolja, Mihaila Razvožajeva, dron srušio na krov sjedišta Crnomorske flote.

"Pogodili smo ga točno iznad stožera flote. Pao je na krov i zapalio se. Nisu uspjeli izvesti napad. Bravo, dečki!" rekao je Razvožajev