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Ko dolazi ako Hamas ode?

Desničari u Izraelu traže uništenje Hamasa i imaju podršku dvije trećine građana. Ali ključno pitanje ostaje bez odgovora. Da li će to poboljšati bezbjednosnu situaciju? Ili će na vlast doći još ratoborniji od Hamasa?

Gomila ruševina: to je sve, što je ostalo od kuće Ismaila Hanije, jednog od vođa Hamasa. Palestinci su na ruševine postavili njegov uramljeni portret i ukrasili ga palestinskom zastavom i zelenom zastavom njegovog pokreta. Izraelska avijacija je ove sedmice bombardovala njegovu kuću u izbjegličkom logoru Šatila u Pojasu Gaze. Hanija i njegova porodica ostali su neozljeđeni jer su napustili kuću nekoliko dana ranije. Prema navodima medija, većina funkcionera Hamasa skriva se u podzemnim tunelima. „Uništenje kamenja“, izjavio je Hanija nakon napada, „neće slomiti našu volju.“

Da se pitaju tvrdolinijaši iz izraelske vladajuće koalicije, bila bi slomljena ne samo volja nego i vlast radikalne islamističke organizacije Hamas. Najglasniji u zahtjevima da se Hamas uništi su ministar spoljnih poslova Avigdor Liberman i ministar privrede Naftali Bener. Liberman je predsjednik sekularno-nacionalističke stranke Naša kuća Izrael, a Benet religiozne partije doseljenika Jevrejski dom. Ali i unutar partije Likud, iz koje je premijer Benjamin Netanjahu, mogu se čuti slične izjave, a i od dobrog dela glasača. Po novom istraživanju javnog mnjenja, 69 odsto stanovnika smatra da rat treba okončati tek kada se Hamas obori sa vlasti. Za neodložno primirje izjašnjava se samo sedam odsto ispitanika.

Bauk nakon Hamasa

Uništenju Hamasa, protivno svim očekivanjima, nedavno se usprotivio ni manje ni više nego prvi čovjek američke vojne službe bezbjednosti, general-potpukovnik Majkl Flin. On upozorava da Hamas i njegovo vojno krilo ne treba u potpunosti razoriti. „Ako Hamas nestane sa scene, moglo bi da dođe nešto još gore“, izjavio je Flin na jednoj konferenciji u Koloradu. General je pri tome skrenuo pažnju na borce pokreta Islamska država (do nedavno ISIS) koji su osvojili velike dijelove Iraka i Sirije.

Gido Štajnberg, stručnjak za Bliski istok iz nemačke fondacije Nauka i politika, dijeli ova strahovanja američkog obavještajca. On kaže da su grupe džihadista u posljednjih deset godina povećale svoj uticaj u Pojasu Gaze. „Do sada je Hamas nekako mogao da drži grupe kao što su Al-Kaida, Al-Nusra ili ISIS pod kontrolom“, kaže Štajnberg. Dio njihovih pripadnika je čak prešao u Hamas. „Ali ako Hamas počne da slabi, ove grupe će sigurno od toga imati koristi“, objašnjava Štajnberg. Naime, zbog kombinacije očajnog stanovništva i velike novčane podrške iz inostranstva, ekstremističke organizacije mogle bi veoma brzo da napreduju.

„Hamas možda nije idealni partner za pregovore“, kaže Štajnberg, „ali u Pojasu Gaze boljeg nema". Za to je djelimično kriv i Izrael. „Izraelska vlada se oduvijek nadala da će dobiti mnogo umjerenijeg partnera za pregovore tako što će oslabiti aktuelnog partnera. To je osnovna greška izraelske politike u protekle dvije decenije.“

Uništeni Fatah

Izrael je dugo tolerisao jačanje Hamasa u Pojasu Gaze, objašnjava ovaj stručnjak. Islamisti su doživljavani kao protivteža sekularnom Fatahu. Kada je Izrael počeo da se ozbiljno bori protiv Hamasa, bilo je isuviše kasno. Hamas je zapravo uspeo da istera Fatah iz Gaze i da dođe na vlast.

Danas su snage bezbjednosti Fataha i predsjednika Mahmuda Abasa isuviše slabe da bi zamijenile Hamas na funkciji čuvara reda u Gazi, kaže Štajnberg. „Ako ne želite Hamas, morate da podržavate Fatah. I onda im morate i nešto dati, da bi pred palestinskim stanovništvom mogli da objasne radi čega ih treba podržavati. To se posljednjih godina uopšte ne dešava. U tome je problem. I zbog toga su Hamas i druge grupe toliko jake.“

Premijer Izraela Benjamin Netanjahu djeluje mnogo uzdržanije od ministara desnice Libermana i Beneta. Netanjahu zna da je obaranje i uništenje Hamasa moguće samo nakon dugog rata i uz okupaciju Pojasa Gaze. Takav rat bi doneo još mnogo više žrtava na obje strane i povećao međunarodni pritisak na izraelsku vladu. „Vjerovatnije je da će Hamas neko vrijeme biti oslabljen i da će biti smanjen njihov raketni arsenal“, kaže Štajnberg.

U petak ujutru na snagu je stupilo trodnevno primirje na koje su pristale obje strane. Ali primirje nije potrajalo ni pet sati, a nove krvave borbe već se vode. Čak i ako se nekako dođe do krhkog mira, stručnjaci strahuju da će novi rat u Gazi ponovo izbiti za par godina.

http://www.dw.de/ko-dolazi-ako-hamas-ode/a-17826498

kanaan wrote:

omar little wrote:

covjece, ovo je strasno. strasno, strasno. ne gledam taj fox, sad prvi put nakon boktepita koliko godina, cista lobotomija.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/3 ... ps=gravity

Ne mogu da otvorim ovaj video.Je li ovaj Russel kontra ovih foxovaca,posto je imao vec nekih komentara o Izraelu i Palestini do sad?

m_l wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNvuq1b8 ... SodCGsMKod

Nova finansijska pomoc za Izrael, $250 miliona. Koja pogan! Fasisti!

m_l wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNvuq1b8 ... SodCGsMKod

Nova finansijska pomoc za Izrael, $250 miliona. Koja pogan! Fasisti!

nasa wrote:Samo se pitam koliko jos cemo gledati sve ovo i kakav svijet ce izaci iz svega ...

Update 4:30 p.m. EDT: Yochanan Gordon, author of the blog post, issued an apology Friday afternoon U.S. time.

In a post on the 5Towns Jewish Times of Long Island, New York, which is owned by his father, Gordon wrote:

"I never intended to call to harm any people although my words may have conveyed that message.

"I wish to express deep regret and beg forgiveness for an article I authored which was posted on 5TJT.com, Times of Israel and was tweeted and shared the world over.

"I never intended to call to harm any people although my words may have conveyed that message.

"With that said I pray and hope for a quick peaceful end to the hostilities and that all people learn to coexist with each other in creating a better world for us all."

Original story:

The Times of Israel, an online news site, quickly took down Friday a blog post titled “When Genocide is Permissible,” in which writer Yochanan Gordon suggested that killing all Palestinians is justifiable. The post sparked immediate outrage on social media, where it trended on Twitter.

“Hamas has stated forthrightly that it idealizes death as much as Israel celebrates life. What other way then is there to deal with an enemy of this nature other than obliterate them completely?” Gordon wrote in the Times of Israel article. “We have already established that it is the responsibility of every government to ensure the safety and security of its people. If political leaders and military experts determine that the only way to achieve its goal of sustaining quiet is through genocide is it then permissible to achieve those responsible goals?”

While you can view the archived “When Genocide is Permissible” piece here, the Times of Israel has since removed the post.

“The contents of this post have been removed for breaching The Times of Israel’s editorial guidelines,” the Jerusalem-based online publication said.

Even though the article was taken down, comments about the piece remain. Many Jews were among those slamming the blog post.

“I just want to apologize for this stupidity. Genocide is NEVER ok and this kid is a dumba--, the fact that it was published was just shameful, and i seriously hope someone got fired,” wrote Chava Weisberg, a self-described “Jewish Zionist.” “Seriously, just like not all arabs are hamas, not all jews (or zionists) [sic] are genocide advocating twerps.”

“It is incredible that a person of the Jewish faith could even consider using the word 'genocide' and questioning whether it is ever permissible,” wrote Mike Farrell-Deveau. “You need to go and take a long hard look at the history of your people in the twentieth century because you do those alive or the millions murdered in world war 2 an utterly disgraceful disservice with this nazi like drivel [sic].”

Grover wrote:

Update 4:30 p.m. EDT: Yochanan Gordon, author of the blog post, issued an apology Friday afternoon U.S. time.

In a post on the 5Towns Jewish Times of Long Island, New York, which is owned by his father, Gordon wrote:

"I never intended to call to harm any people although my words may have conveyed that message.

"I wish to express deep regret and beg forgiveness for an article I authored which was posted on 5TJT.com, Times of Israel and was tweeted and shared the world over.

"I never intended to call to harm any people although my words may have conveyed that message.

"With that said I pray and hope for a quick peaceful end to the hostilities and that all people learn to coexist with each other in creating a better world for us all."

Original story:

The Times of Israel, an online news site, quickly took down Friday a blog post titled “When Genocide is Permissible,” in which writer Yochanan Gordon suggested that killing all Palestinians is justifiable. The post sparked immediate outrage on social media, where it trended on Twitter.

“Hamas has stated forthrightly that it idealizes death as much as Israel celebrates life. What other way then is there to deal with an enemy of this nature other than obliterate them completely?” Gordon wrote in the Times of Israel article. “We have already established that it is the responsibility of every government to ensure the safety and security of its people. If political leaders and military experts determine that the only way to achieve its goal of sustaining quiet is through genocide is it then permissible to achieve those responsible goals?”

While you can view the archived “When Genocide is Permissible” piece here, the Times of Israel has since removed the post.

“The contents of this post have been removed for breaching The Times of Israel’s editorial guidelines,” the Jerusalem-based online publication said.

Even though the article was taken down, comments about the piece remain. Many Jews were among those slamming the blog post.

“I just want to apologize for this stupidity. Genocide is NEVER ok and this kid is a dumba--, the fact that it was published was just shameful, and i seriously hope someone got fired,” wrote Chava Weisberg, a self-described “Jewish Zionist.” “Seriously, just like not all arabs are hamas, not all jews (or zionists) [sic] are genocide advocating twerps.”

“It is incredible that a person of the Jewish faith could even consider using the word 'genocide' and questioning whether it is ever permissible,” wrote Mike Farrell-Deveau. “You need to go and take a long hard look at the history of your people in the twentieth century because you do those alive or the millions murdered in world war 2 an utterly disgraceful disservice with this nazi like drivel [sic].”

http://www.ibtimes.com/when-genocide-pe ... ks-1646490

omar little wrote:

kanaan wrote:

omar little wrote:

covjece, ovo je strasno. strasno, strasno. ne gledam taj fox, sad prvi put nakon boktepita koliko godina, cista lobotomija.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/3 ... ps=gravity

Ne mogu da otvorim ovaj video.Je li ovaj Russel kontra ovih foxovaca,posto je imao vec nekih komentara o Izraelu i Palestini do sad?

russell radi dekonstrukciju, na njemu svojstven nacin, ovog voditelja i njegovog ponasanja tokom intervjua sa predstavnikom palestinske organizacije iz amerike. taj intervju je, inace, jako dobar primjer odnosa medija, i opcenito drustva, u americi prema palestinskom glasu.

ovaj drugi link je emisija koju je taj kreten i debil napravio nakon russellovog video. jebote, on je pozvao troje nekih ljudi (neam pojma ko su i sta su) da pljuju i hracu russella, bukvalno doveo ljude da ga vrijedjaju. naravno, uporno vrte istu propagandu rakete, teroristi i sta ti ja znam. elem, koliko jadan moras biti da se svetis covjeku tako, sad me samo zanima oce mu brand odgovoriti obzirom da, kad hoce, zna biti vrlo pametno duhovit i saljiv.

bogoljub wrote:Britanski zastupnik George Galloway dugi niz godina poznat je kao jedan od najsnažnijih anti-imperijalističkih glasova u Britaniji i šire, a Izraelsko-palestinski konflikt jedna je od tema o kojoj često govori, iz jedne sasvim drugačije perspektive u odnosu na ostatak britanske vladajuće političke klase.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0gEzPG82pc

Prosvjedi potpore Gazi zaista se odvijaju globalno, gotovo da nema države ili većeg grada u kojem se ovih dana ne vijore palestinske zastave u prosvjedima protiv ratnih zločina koje Izrael već više od tri tjedna vrši nad stanovnicima Gaze. No, tisuću povika "Sloboda Palestini!", "Stop okupaciji i agresiji!", naglo pada u vodu kada se među njih provuče bar jedan koji ističe: "Sada znamo zašto ih je Hitler mrzio, trebao je dovršiti posao".

Ovakva rečenica potkopaje svaki trud otpora prema cionističkom režimu.

Grover wrote:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08/02 ... l-soldier/

L u c i f e r wrote:

Grover wrote:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/08/02 ... l-soldier/

Puši ga Obama vala i ti...

karanana wrote:ko je jos u zabludi da misli da su predsjednici amerike ti koji kroje i diriguju politikom svoje zemlje?

The only durable solution requires dismantling Gaza, humanitarian relocation of the non-belligerent Arab population, and extension of Israeli sovereignty over the region.

That is the only approach that can solve the problem of Gaza.

That is the only approach that will eliminate the threat to Israel continually issuing from Gaza.

That is the only approach that will extricate the non-belligerent Palestinians from the clutches of the cruel, corrupt cliques who led them astray for decades.

That is the only approach that will preclude a need for Israel to “rule over another people.”

Quaresma wrote:https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10154333702010048

sto je reci Allahova moc