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#10251 Re: IRAN

Posted: 13/01/2016 18:05
by zvizdan
Kikibombona wrote:
zvizdan wrote:

Eh, malo je reci da se ponose. Medjutim, oni svoje pretke ne smatraju nikakvim paganima nego ljudima koji su slijedili jednu od predislamskih Objava. Stavise, uvrijezen je stav da je Boziji poslanik Zulkarnejn spomenut u Kur'anu bio upravo Kir Veliki (za to se navodi mnostvo argumenata, ali nebitno sad). Uostalom, trecina Iranaca nose staroperzijska imena: Dariuš, Ardešir, Araš, Arman, Behzad, Daneš, Feridun, Homayun (muska), ili Širin, Afsane, Anahita, Arya, Lida, Parisa... (zenska) Dovoljno valjda govori i to sto se odrzala tradicija Nou Ruza (njihove nove godine), u islamu je dobila nove sadrzaje, neke nove interpretacije, ali i sacuvala neke obicaje i tradicije stare barem do Sasanida, a vjerovatno i dalje unatrag.

Opisati odnos Iranaca prema njihovom drevnom (cak i mitskom) naslijedju je bas duga prica.
Narod koji ima glavu i rep, koji ne luta, koji zna ko je i sta je, koji se ponosi time!

Zato i jesu svjetlosnim godinama u odnosu na Arape!

Ako zaista smatraju da je Kir Veliki bio poslanik, onda je to maestralan politicki potez.

Da li je to zvanicni stav iransko-siitske uleme ili o tome nagadjaju kojekakvi ekscentrici??
A cuj, ne postoji nesto sto bi se zvalo "zvanicni stav siitske uleme" o tome i slicnim pitanjima. Mnogi alimi ce ti reci da je tako, neki imaju drugu ili trecu teoriju. Postoje knjige koje ljudi pisu u odbranu te teze, navode svoje argumente iz Starog Zavjeta (narocito iz Knjige Danijelove, jer tu se govori o izbavljenju Zidova iz babilonskog ropstva, a to je upravo Kirovo Djelo), iz islamske tradicije (neke predaje siitskih imama) do toga da se pozivaju na neke drevne prikaze Kira na kojima se vidi da je nosio sljem sa dva roga (Zulkarnejn znaci Dvorogi, posjednik dva roga). Uglavnom, takve teme su otvorene za raspravu, interpretacije, argumentaciju...

#10252 Re: IRAN

Posted: 13/01/2016 18:15
by salik79
insomnia78 wrote:
pirpa wrote:
IRANIAN INVENTIONS

SYSTEMS AND WAY OF LIFE

• Protocol and Etiquette- rules of respect, cultured civilization, of order and harmony of everyday life.

• Human Rights – 576 B.C. , cylinder of Cyrus the Great

• System of State and Regions – created by Cyrus the Great (Satrap and Satrapies)

• Iran was The First Real Empire

• First Agriculture System -1000 B.C., the Qanat

• Police- first inspectors were “the Eye of the King” created by Cyrus

• Postal Service – by Cyrus the Great

• First Monotheist Religion- 6000 B.C.,

• The Three Kings (bible)- zoroastrians = iranians

MEDICINE:

• Alcohol in Medicine – 864 A.D. , by Rhazès Zakarya

• Founder Book of Modern Medicine- 980 A.D, created by Avicenna

• First Teaching Hospital – 271 B.C., intellectual centre teaching philosophy , medicine, theology, science.

• Anesthesia- 1000 A.D. for the birth of Rostam

• Cesarean – 1000 A.D. the earliest file of ceasarean is in the Shah Nameh, Rostam was born this way

INSTRUMENTS:

• Guitar- 5000 B.C. Gui means three in old persian and Tar means rope, guitar had three ropes at the beginning and changed with time

• Oldest Ancestor of the Piano – 266 B.C. called tympanon (santur)

CLOTHES:

• Shoes- 3000 B.C. found in Iran

• Sandals- 3000 B.C.

• Boots- 3000 B.C.

• Trousers- first trousers were worn in the Achemenid period

• Gloves and Mittens- known as a Greek invention but before that, Xenophon already talked about Persians wearing mittens.

SPORT

• Backgammon – 1400 B.C., found in the Sistan-e-Baloutchestan region

• Polo – 521 B.C., persian sport

• Chess – the base of the game invented in India but it was played with dice and by four people, the evolution was made in Iran

• Poker – 1600 A.D. persian game called “nas”, iranians showed it to french in louisiana and they one showed the game to the world

FOOD

• Refrigerator- 400 B.C. a large room called YAKCHAL

• Wine – 5400 B.C., Invention of Wine. Discovery made by University of Pennsylvania excavations at Hajji Firuz Tepe in northwestern Iran.

• Grape

• Kabab – first kind of kabab was the persian Kabab

• Biscuit, Cookies - 700 A.D.

• Rice

• Ice Cream – 400 B.C.

• Yoghurt

OTHER AMAZING THINGS:

• Battery- 250 B.C. found in Iran

• Coloured Eggs for Easter – Persians first began using coloured eggs to celebrate spring in 3000 BC. Crusaders returning from the Middle East spread the costume of colouring eggs and Europeans began to use them to celebrate Easter.

• Valentines (a day of Love) was first founded by Cyrus the Great

• Air Conditioning

• Windmill – 632 A.D

• Introduction of Paper in Occident – 700 A.D.

• Algebra- 800 A.D. Khwarizmi was an Iranian from Khorassan

• First Attempt to Fly- key kawoos, who fell three times

• Tulip – persian flower

• Rose – persian flower

• Ceramic

• Bazaar

• Thousand and One Nights – stories told by Sharzad

• Improvement of the Shisha - during the kingdom, Iran improved the hookah from his simple basic form to what it is today

• The Brick – 6000 B.C.

• First Pearls- 5000 B.C. , found in the border of Persian Gulf, a necklace of three lines of pearls owned by a Persian princess

• The Water Bed – 3600 B.C. made of sheep’s skin

• Art of Miniatures – 2600 B.C.

• Chariot – 2000 B.C
Ovo sa danasnjim Iranom ima veze isto ko Bakir sa poveljom Kulina bana
Kako mislis? :-?

#10253 Re: IRAN

Posted: 13/01/2016 18:25
by asurbanipal
Kikibombona wrote:
zvizdan wrote:

Eh, malo je reci da se ponose. Medjutim, oni svoje pretke ne smatraju nikakvim paganima nego ljudima koji su slijedili jednu od predislamskih Objava. Stavise, uvrijezen je stav da je Boziji poslanik Zulkarnejn spomenut u Kur'anu bio upravo Kir Veliki (za to se navodi mnostvo argumenata, ali nebitno sad). Uostalom, trecina Iranaca nose staroperzijska imena: Dariuš, Ardešir, Araš, Arman, Behzad, Daneš, Feridun, Homayun (muska), ili Širin, Afsane, Anahita, Arya, Lida, Parisa... (zenska) Dovoljno valjda govori i to sto se odrzala tradicija Nou Ruza (njihove nove godine), u islamu je dobila nove sadrzaje, neke nove interpretacije, ali i sacuvala neke obicaje i tradicije stare barem do Sasanida, a vjerovatno i dalje unatrag.

Opisati odnos Iranaca prema njihovom drevnom (cak i mitskom) naslijedju je bas duga prica.
Narod koji ima glavu i rep, koji ne luta, koji zna ko je i sta je, koji se ponosi time!

Zato i jesu svjetlosnim godinama u odnosu na Arape!

Ako zaista smatraju da je Kir Veliki bio poslanik, onda je to maestralan politicki potez.

Da li je to zvanicni stav iransko-siitske uleme ili o tome nagadjaju kojekakvi ekscentrici??

To je stav jednog od najvećih šiitskih ali i muslimanskih alima uopšte u prošlom stoljeću - Allamah Tabatabaija.

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Inače, Tabatabai je usvojio stav od sunnitskog učenjaka iz Indije, također velikana u svoje vrijeme - Mawlana Abul Kamal Azada...

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Inače, Mawlana Azad je imao široko obrazovanje, a istakao se kao politički vođa indijskog pokreta za nezavisnost. Nakon indijske nezavisnosti, on je postao prvi ministar obrazovanja u indijskoj vladi. Godine 1992. posthumno mu je dodijeljena najveća indijska civilna nagrada, Bharat Ratna.
Imaš danas autora koji smatraju da je u stvari Aleksandar Makedonski bio Zul'Karnejn, međutim, kao neko ko se bavi historijskom naukom, smatram da je Kir Veliki i po osvajanjima i po svojoj mudroj vladavini i politici za nekoliko kopalja ispred. Židovi ga također spominju u pozitivnom svjetlu i odaju mu počasti, budući da ih je spasio od ropstva...

Što se tiče mitologije, dosta sam izučavao semitsku, zatim indijansku, skandinavsku, japansku, slavensku, ali mi je perzijska mitologija jedna od dražih, ako ne i najdraža. Onaj njihov mitski junak Rustem mi je čak i na san izlazio... :lol:

#10254 Re: IRAN

Posted: 13/01/2016 19:23
by pirpa
insomnia78 wrote: Ovo sa danasnjim Iranom ima veze isto ko Bakir sa poveljom Kulina bana
sve se vidi u njihovom vođenju vanjske politike, ameri igraju kao majmuncic na kanafi. ;-)

#10255 Re: IRAN

Posted: 13/01/2016 19:27
by General War
insomnia78 wrote:
pirpa wrote:
IRANIAN INVENTIONS

SYSTEMS AND WAY OF LIFE

• Protocol and Etiquette- rules of respect, cultured civilization, of order and harmony of everyday life.

• Human Rights – 576 B.C. , cylinder of Cyrus the Great

• System of State and Regions – created by Cyrus the Great (Satrap and Satrapies)

• Iran was The First Real Empire

• First Agriculture System -1000 B.C., the Qanat

• Police- first inspectors were “the Eye of the King” created by Cyrus

• Postal Service – by Cyrus the Great

• First Monotheist Religion- 6000 B.C.,

• The Three Kings (bible)- zoroastrians = iranians

MEDICINE:

• Alcohol in Medicine – 864 A.D. , by Rhazès Zakarya

• Founder Book of Modern Medicine- 980 A.D, created by Avicenna

• First Teaching Hospital – 271 B.C., intellectual centre teaching philosophy , medicine, theology, science.

• Anesthesia- 1000 A.D. for the birth of Rostam

• Cesarean – 1000 A.D. the earliest file of ceasarean is in the Shah Nameh, Rostam was born this way

INSTRUMENTS:

• Guitar- 5000 B.C. Gui means three in old persian and Tar means rope, guitar had three ropes at the beginning and changed with time

• Oldest Ancestor of the Piano – 266 B.C. called tympanon (santur)

CLOTHES:

• Shoes- 3000 B.C. found in Iran

• Sandals- 3000 B.C.

• Boots- 3000 B.C.

• Trousers- first trousers were worn in the Achemenid period

• Gloves and Mittens- known as a Greek invention but before that, Xenophon already talked about Persians wearing mittens.

SPORT

• Backgammon – 1400 B.C., found in the Sistan-e-Baloutchestan region

• Polo – 521 B.C., persian sport

• Chess – the base of the game invented in India but it was played with dice and by four people, the evolution was made in Iran

• Poker – 1600 A.D. persian game called “nas”, iranians showed it to french in louisiana and they one showed the game to the world

FOOD

• Refrigerator- 400 B.C. a large room called YAKCHAL

• Wine – 5400 B.C., Invention of Wine. Discovery made by University of Pennsylvania excavations at Hajji Firuz Tepe in northwestern Iran.

• Grape

• Kabab – first kind of kabab was the persian Kabab

• Biscuit, Cookies - 700 A.D.

• Rice

• Ice Cream – 400 B.C.

• Yoghurt

OTHER AMAZING THINGS:

• Battery- 250 B.C. found in Iran

• Coloured Eggs for Easter – Persians first began using coloured eggs to celebrate spring in 3000 BC. Crusaders returning from the Middle East spread the costume of colouring eggs and Europeans began to use them to celebrate Easter.

• Valentines (a day of Love) was first founded by Cyrus the Great

• Air Conditioning

• Windmill – 632 A.D

• Introduction of Paper in Occident – 700 A.D.

• Algebra- 800 A.D. Khwarizmi was an Iranian from Khorassan

• First Attempt to Fly- key kawoos, who fell three times

• Tulip – persian flower

• Rose – persian flower

• Ceramic

• Bazaar

• Thousand and One Nights – stories told by Sharzad

• Improvement of the Shisha - during the kingdom, Iran improved the hookah from his simple basic form to what it is today

• The Brick – 6000 B.C.

• First Pearls- 5000 B.C. , found in the border of Persian Gulf, a necklace of three lines of pearls owned by a Persian princess

• The Water Bed – 3600 B.C. made of sheep’s skin

• Art of Miniatures – 2600 B.C.

• Chariot – 2000 B.C
Ovo sa danasnjim Iranom ima veze isto ko Bakir sa poveljom Kulina bana
:lol: :thumbup: :thumbup:

#10256 Re: IRAN

Posted: 13/01/2016 19:27
by pirpa

#10257 Re: IRAN

Posted: 13/01/2016 19:36
by salik79
Ipak je bilo: "Keru lezi, zeno citaj!" :D

Iran IRGCN moment of arrest 10 American Marines on their knees لحظه دستگیری ۱۰ تفنگدار آمریکایی سپاه
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H6nHpH8Pfk [/youtube]

#10258 Re: IRAN

Posted: 13/01/2016 19:39
by salik79
Uleti mi poziv, zakasnih postaviti i Pirpa mi uze mustuluk :D

#10259 Re: IRAN

Posted: 13/01/2016 19:46
by General War
Vako se to radi


#10260 Re: IRAN

Posted: 13/01/2016 19:50
by salik79
General War wrote:Vako se to radi


Lahko je bilo udarat onoga koga svi cipelare, haj´sad mrco! :D Keru lezi, zeno citaj!

#10261 Re: IRAN

Posted: 13/01/2016 19:55
by zvizdan
salik79 wrote:
General War wrote:Vako se to radi


Lahko je bilo udarat onoga koga svi cipelare, haj´sad mrco! :D Keru lezi!
Fascinantno, fakat. Usput jos oboris i putnicki avion, ubijes 291 neduznog covjeka, ali ko ih hebe, to su i onako samo zaostali Istocnjaci. Nakon toga predsjednik licno dodijeli ti orden za doprinos smanjenju broja divljaka u svijetu. Sve onako demokraCki i u skladu s ljuCkim pravima.

#10262 Re: IRAN

Posted: 13/01/2016 19:58
by General War
salik79 wrote:
General War wrote:Vako se to radi


Lahko je bilo udarat onoga koga svi cipelare, haj´sad mrco! :D Keru lezi, zeno citaj!
:lol:
De mi reci, ima li u iranu stolica i stolova?

#10263 Re: IRAN

Posted: 13/01/2016 20:01
by salik79
zvizdan wrote:
salik79 wrote:
General War wrote:Vako se to radi


Lahko je bilo udarat onoga koga svi cipelare, haj´sad mrco! :D Keru lezi!
Fascinantno, fakat. Usput jos oboris i putnicki avion, ubijes 291 neduznog covjeka, ali ko ih hebe, to su i onako samo zaostali Istocnjaci. Nakon toga predsjednik licno dodijeli ti orden za doprinos smanjenju broja divljaka u svijetu. Sve onako demokraCki i u skladu s ljuCkim pravima.
Sta ima avion pun bradatih divljaka letat Perzijskim zaljevom!? Ha ja! Orden, nego sta! Pitaj Generala Trola...

#10264 Re: IRAN

Posted: 13/01/2016 20:02
by salik79
General War wrote:
salik79 wrote:
General War wrote:Vako se to radi


Lahko je bilo udarat onoga koga svi cipelare, haj´sad mrco! :D Keru lezi, zeno citaj!
:lol:
De mi reci, ima li u iranu stolica i stolova?
Imal´u Guantanamu?! Ah, da, to je Kuba :D

#10265 Re: IRAN

Posted: 13/01/2016 20:03
by General War
salik79 wrote: Sta ima avion pun bradatih divljaka letat Perzijskim zaljevom!? Ha ja! Orden, nego sta! Pitaj Generala Trola...
... a trol sa culafom zaboravio da su prije toga umjereno bradati sijali mine i napadali komercijalne brodove :zzzz:

#10266 Re: IRAN

Posted: 13/01/2016 20:06
by salik79
General War wrote:
salik79 wrote: Sta ima avion pun bradatih divljaka letat Perzijskim zaljevom!? Ha ja! Orden, nego sta! Pitaj Generala Trola...
... a trol sa culafom zaboravio da su prije toga umjereno bradati sijali mine i napadali komercijalne brodove :zzzz:
I to daje za pravo civiliziranoj i demokratskoj USA da obori putnicki avion sa, haman, 300 ljudi (CIVILA) u njemu?!

#10267 Re: IRAN

Posted: 13/01/2016 20:11
by General War
salik79 wrote:
General War wrote:
salik79 wrote: Sta ima avion pun bradatih divljaka letat Perzijskim zaljevom!? Ha ja! Orden, nego sta! Pitaj Generala Trola...
... a trol sa culafom zaboravio da su prije toga umjereno bradati sijali mine i napadali komercijalne brodove :zzzz:
I to daje za pravo civiliziranoj i demokratskoj USA da obori putnicki avion sa, haman, 300 ljudi (CIVILA) u njemu?!
...to daje pravo da budu nervozni na obaracu uz miroljubive homeinijeve hurije...sto ne oborise iznad kuvajta, bahreina...?
plus priznali gresku, izvinuli se...iskesirali odstetu porodicama...sto bas drugima i ne ide od ruke

#10268 Re: IRAN

Posted: 13/01/2016 20:12
by zvizdan
General War wrote:
salik79 wrote: Sta ima avion pun bradatih divljaka letat Perzijskim zaljevom!? Ha ja! Orden, nego sta! Pitaj Generala Trola...
... a trol sa culafom zaboravio da su prije toga umjereno bradati sijali mine i napadali komercijalne brodove :zzzz:
Covjek koji u rukavu ima opravdanje za rusenje putnickog aviona i ubistvo 291 zene, dijeteta i muskarca... :sad: Ne dao drag Bog nikome takvo stanje duha i uma...

Jadan ne bio, sve i da su sijali mine, sijali su ih u SVOJE more, NE u americko. Jel poginuo neki civil mozda od tih mina? Sta rade uopce americki ratni brodovi u Perzijskom zalivu? Tako to treba, jelde?

#10269 Re: IRAN

Posted: 13/01/2016 20:16
by salik79
General War wrote:
salik79 wrote:
General War wrote:
I to daje za pravo civiliziranoj i demokratskoj USA da obori putnicki avion sa, haman, 300 ljudi (CIVILA) u njemu?!
...to daje pravo da budu nervozni na obaracu uz miroljubive homeinijeve hurije...sto ne oborise iznad kuvajta, bahreina...?
plus priznali gresku, izvinuli se...iskesirali odstetu porodicama...sto bas drugima i ne ide od ruke
Ko ba prizno gresku?! Dodjelom ordena zapovjedniku?! To nije nikakva greska, nego namjerno obaranje putnickog aviona. Za to nema nikakvog opravdanja. I koju "odstetu"?! Da im i ja isto toliko dam...

#10270 Re: IRAN

Posted: 13/01/2016 20:17
by salik79
Fakat, de nam reci, kakav je osjecaj vama, amerofilima, gledati US Marines u ovom "ponizavajucem" polozaju?! :D

#10271 Re: IRAN

Posted: 13/01/2016 20:18
by asurbanipal
zvizdan wrote:
General War wrote:
salik79 wrote: Sta ima avion pun bradatih divljaka letat Perzijskim zaljevom!? Ha ja! Orden, nego sta! Pitaj Generala Trola...
... a trol sa culafom zaboravio da su prije toga umjereno bradati sijali mine i napadali komercijalne brodove :zzzz:
Covjek koji u rukavu ima opravdanje za rusenje putnickog aviona i ubistvo 291 zene, dijeteta i muskarca... :sad: Ne dao drag Bog nikome takvo stanje duha i uma...

Jadan ne bio, sve i da su sijali mine, sijali su ih u SVOJE more, NE u americko. Jel poginuo neki civil mozda od tih mina? Sta rade uopce americki ratni brodovi u Perzijskom zalivu? Tako to treba, jelde?

Zemo, ne treba trošiti vrijeme i riječi na ovog poklonika rasizma i nacizma. Samo ignore...

#10272 Re: IRAN

Posted: 13/01/2016 20:19
by Tabhana
Šteta pa su šiije :D

Imate li vi rane po leđima od šibanja mačem? :evil:

#10273 Re: IRAN

Posted: 13/01/2016 20:24
by salik79
Tabhana wrote:Šteta pa su šiije :D

Imate li vi rane po leđima od šibanja mačem? :evil:

Odoh se ranit :mrgreen:

#10274 Re: IRAN

Posted: 13/01/2016 20:28
by Challenger__
asurbanipal wrote:
zvizdan wrote:
Covjek koji u rukavu ima opravdanje za rusenje putnickog aviona i ubistvo 291 zene, dijeteta i muskarca... :sad: Ne dao drag Bog nikome takvo stanje duha i uma...

Jadan ne bio, sve i da su sijali mine, sijali su ih u SVOJE more, NE u americko. Jel poginuo neki civil mozda od tih mina? Sta rade uopce americki ratni brodovi u Perzijskom zalivu? Tako to treba, jelde?
Zemo, ne treba trošiti vrijeme i riječi na ovog poklonika rasizma i nacizma. Samo ignore...
+1

#10275 Re: IRAN

Posted: 13/01/2016 20:31
by Challenger__
mousstapha wrote:Upravo o toj kulturi i tradiciji treba vise pricati. Kroz medije se samo provlace politicke teme, pa se tesko probiti.
To,to...

Političke teme forsira novosvjetski skorojevićki zapad koji se sa kulturom nije sreo ni u prolazu.