#1001 Re: USA - Izbori za predsjednika 2020
Posted: 14/02/2020 19:20
Sega sto kazu komplikovana matematika. E jes komplikovano sabrat, podjelit, pomnozit par brojeva u pm.GandalfSivi wrote: ↑14/02/2020 19:20 Gdje je jez?
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... &smtyp=cur
I can’t assume that the money chase didn’t alter me in some ways.
Increasingly I found myself spending time with people of means — law firm partners and investment bankers, hedge fund managers and venture capitalists. As a rule, they were smart, interesting people, knowledgeable about public policy, liberal in their politics, expecting nothing more than a hearing of their opinions in exchange for their checks. But they reflected, almost uniformly, the perspectives of their class: the top 1 percent or so of the income scale that can afford to write a $2,000 check to a political candidate. They believed in the free market and an educational meritocracy; they found it hard to imagine that there might be any social ill that could not be cured by a high SAT score. They had no patience with protectionism, found unions troublesome, and were not particularly sympathetic to those whose lives were upended by the movements of global capital. Most were adamantly prochoice and antigun and were vaguely suspicious of deep religious sentiment.
And although my own worldview and theirs corresponded in many ways — I had gone to the same schools, after all, had read the same books, and worried about my kids in many of the same ways — I found myself avoiding certain topics during conversations with them, papering over possible differences, anticipating their expectations. On core issues I was candid; I had no problem telling well-heeled supporters that the tax cuts they’d received from George Bush should be reversed. Whenever I could, I would try to share with them some of the perspectives I was hearing from other portions of the electorate: the legitimate role of faith in politics, say, or the deep cultural meaning of guns in rural parts of the state.
Still, I know that as a consequence of my fund-raising I became more like the wealthy donors I met, in the very particular sense that I spent more and more of my time above the fray, outside the world of immediate hunger, disappointment, fear, irrationality, and frequent hardship of the other 99 percent of the population — that is, the people that I’d entered public life to serve. And in one fashion or another, I suspect this is true for every senator: The longer you are a senator, the narrower the scope of your interactions. You may fight it, with town hall meetings and listening tours and stops by the old neighborhood. But your schedule dictates that you move in a different orbit from most of the people you represent.
And perhaps as the next race approaches, a voice within tells you that you don’t want to have to go through all the misery of raising all that money in small increments all over again. You realize that you no longer have the cachet you did as the upstart, the fresh face; you haven’t changed Washington, and you’ve made a lot of people unhappy with difficult votes. The path of least resistance — of fund-raisers organized by the special interests, the corporate PACs, and the top lobbying shops — starts to look awfully tempting, and if the opinions of these insiders don’t quite jibe with those you once held, you learn to rationalize the changes as a matter of realism, of compromise, of learning the ropes. The problems of ordinary people, the voices of the Rust Belt town or the dwindling heartland, become a distant echo rather than a palpable reality, abstractions to be managed rather than battles to be fought.
Pa da ponovim jos jednom da je za demokrate jedina stvar gora od republikanaca demokrate (DNC). Toliko stvari je problematicno ovdje. Prvo, sto samo Tom Perez? Sto vise niko ne spominje Keith Ellisona, ako se dobro sjecam nakon izbora za chairmana stranke, Perez je ponudio (a Ellison prihvatio) da obojica budu co-chairs, zarad ujedinjenja progresivnog i centrog dijela stranke. I onda nestade lik.jeza u ledja wrote: ↑17/02/2020 04:41
I sad vi ocekujete da se od ovakvih govana u DNC pravi pita? Ne ide.
Sto Sandersa nece izmjeniti ovaj IMT mentalitet, a big government vlada bi samo iznjedrila jos gomilu ovakvih uhljupa a la Tom Perez.
Trenutno su dva vodeca kandidata Demokrata u anketama 2 covjeka koji u stvarnosti nisu u DNC.![]()
Cak bih ako mogu dodati rekao da je lijevi centar u Americi u slicnom kurcu kao u ostatku Zapada. Vidimo ko iz tog svega obicno izlazi kao pobjednik, samo hoce li vidjeti obicni glasac pitanje je.
To za pare je konacni cilj, nece se desiti u jednom ili dva ciklusa, ali bi se barem mogao ograniciti uticaj dark money-a preko super PAC-ova. Za treci mart ni ti ni ja pojma nemamo, samo znam da ce to vece biti dernek zesci. To je moj Super Bowljeza u ledja wrote: ↑17/02/2020 17:00 Mozes ti rec take out big money out of politics al to se nece desiti da se na glavu nasadis.
A za Bloomberga, ma sumnjam i ja al sve je moguce. Sanders bi nakon 3. marta mogao biti jednom nogom preko finish line. Ako sam dobro vidio negdje Nate Silver predvidja Sandersovu pobjedu u svim drzavama Super Tuesday osim dvije. A to je trecina ukupnih glasova.
Jedino ako svi ostali odustanu nakon toga pa bude neka luda trka.
A vidis gore kako MSNBC izvjestava o DNC i o Bloombergu. Pogotovo kao ga Ari Melber nalijepi. Keith Ellison, to onaj brat musliman iz Chicaga?Znam da je bio kandidat, ne znam dalje pricu. Ma meni je sve to ista bagra.
Pa bice svakako frka jer se dovodis u situaciju da ko god bude izabran nece imati podrsku jednog dijela elektorata.GandalfSivi wrote: ↑17/02/2020 17:21
To za pare je konacni cilj, nece se desiti u jednom ili dva ciklusa, ali bi se barem mogao ograniciti uticaj dark money-a preko super PAC-ova. Za treci mart ni ti ni ja pojma nemamo, samo znam da ce to vece biti dernek zesci. To je moj Super BowlSamo zamisljam depresiju uzivo ako pomete Sanders, ali naci ce se vec nacin da se to umanji. Hocemo se kladiti da ako Sanders uzme vecinu kandidata na Super Tuesday da ce se poceti pricati o Super delegatima i drugom krugu glasanja, sto bi definitivno zacementiralo Trumpovu pobjedu i to oni svi znaju.
Ista ta anketa u decembru (NPR/PBS/Marist) je bila Sanders 22+Warren 17+Yang 5+Gabbard 1 = 45%GandalfSivi wrote: ↑18/02/2020 14:34 Strasno kakve su ankete izasle jutros. Sanders 12 boba na nacionalnom nivou, 19 u Nevadi i izjednacio se u Virginiji. Malo mi previse, ali ako bude i upola, eto revolucije, barem u demokratskoj stranci...
Opet ti kazem, pojednostavljujes to previse. Recimo, ako Klobuchar odustane, dosta njenih glasova bi otislo Warren (mozes vidjeti da je njen rast direktno proporcionalan sa Warrenovim padom). Isto vazi i za Pete-a, koji jeste poceo kao progresivac, dok se donatori nisu umjesali. Cak bi i Sanders sigurno dobio dobar dio tih glasova (barem LGBTQ populacija). Imamo isto i Steyera, koji definitivno naginje proglesivnom krilu (bez obzira na pare koje ima) i koji po anketama stoji dvocifreno u Nevadi i Juznoj Karolini.jeza u ledja wrote: ↑18/02/2020 16:17Ista ta anketa u decembru (NPR/PBS/Marist) je bila Sanders 22+Warren 17+Yang 5+Gabbard 1 = 45%GandalfSivi wrote: ↑18/02/2020 14:34 Strasno kakve su ankete izasle jutros. Sanders 12 boba na nacionalnom nivou, 19 u Nevadi i izjednacio se u Virginiji. Malo mi previse, ali ako bude i upola, eto revolucije, barem u demokratskoj stranci...
Danas je Sanders 31 + Warren 12 + Yang 0 + Gabbard 0 = 43%
Kao sto rekoh nakon Iowe i NH, Sanders je u vodecoj poziciji - zbog rezultata u IA i NH, gdje su Buttigieg i Klobuchar uletili umjesto Bidena, u situaciji u kojoj Biden i dalje ocekuje dobar rezultat u SC i sto je najvaznije u kojoj Bloomberg ulijece svojim parama. Plus Sanders lagano pojede Warrenovu, koja je po meni glavni kandidat za ispadanje, od pobrojanih.
Ironija cijele price je da ulijetanjem sa svojim milionima, bivsi Republikanac, Mr. Stop and Frisk, pomaze Sandersu da pobijedi.![]()
Mislim da trenutne prognoze treba donositi na osnovu toga ko ima najvise sansi da ispadne od danas pa do Super Tuesday. Pored Warren, tu su Koobuchar i Biden. Biden ako zatrokira i u SC on ce sigurno odustati. Klobuchar, kao i Warren, ako ne bude medju prva 4 u ovim drzavama ne vidim smisla da dalje nastavlja. Ili ce javno odustati, ili ce postati toliko nebitni da ce malo ko za njih vise glasati. (jer izgleda mnogi glasaju na osnovu toga koji kandidat je popularan). Ako Warrenova ne odustaje, to naravno kvari sanse Sandersu.
No jedno je sigurno - jedan na jedan sa bilo kojim od ovih kandidata udesno Sandersu bi bilo gutavo.
Ja pricam o konkretnim rezultatima (NH) a ne o nestabilnim anketama. Sanders nije ostvario bolje rezultate od predvidjenih, dok Klobucar jeste, vjerovatno na racun Warrenove...jeza u ledja wrote: ↑18/02/2020 16:53 Rast Sandersa je obrnuto proporcionalan padu Warrenove. To je najbolja paralela koja se ovdje moze postaviti.A ne paralela Klobuchar - Warren.
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GandalfSivi wrote: ↑18/02/2020 16:58Ja pricam o konkretnim rezultatima (NH) a ne o nestabilnim anketama. Sanders nije ostvario bolje rezultate od predvidjenih, dok Klobucar jeste, vjerovatno na racun Warrenove...jeza u ledja wrote: ↑18/02/2020 16:53 Rast Sandersa je obrnuto proporcionalan padu Warrenove. To je najbolja paralela koja se ovdje moze postaviti.A ne paralela Klobuchar - Warren.
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Sta ja znam, mozda tamo napisu ko im je second choice, ili se first choice automatski racuna kao final choice.GandalfSivi wrote: ↑18/02/2020 17:13 Evo sada ozbiljno pitanje. Fakat ne razumijem kako caucuses mogu imati early voting? Na glavu sam se nasadio i opet ne kontam...
