Turska i njen odnos spram BiH i regiona

[Bloger]

Svojevremeno su turska Enka i američki Bechtel tražili koncesiju za izgradnju korodora 5c. Šteta što tu šansu nismo iskoristili, do sada bi imali izgrađenu autocestu. Silajdžić je gurao Enku-Bechtel, Bičakčić je gurao neku francusku kompaniju pa je na koncu arbitrirao Alija Izetbegović koji je stao uz Bičakčića.

[Komrad]

Svojevremeno su turska Enka i američki Bechtel tražili koncesiju za izgradnju korodora 5c. Šteta što tu šansu nismo iskoristili, do sada bi imali izgrađenu autocestu. Silajdžić je gurao Enku-Bechtel, Bičakčić je gurao neku francusku kompaniju pa je na koncu arbitrirao Alija Izetbegović koji je stao uz Bičakčića.

da smo sposobni pa im predloziti da nam grade neke druge puteve recimo Tuzla-Orajse ili recimo put koji bi spojio Krajinu i Srednju Bosnu

[El_comadante]

vidim ima tema o Libiji, Iranu itd. pa bi trebala tema i o Turskoj u smislu da su se vratili politički na Balkan pa su organizirali par sastanaka Turska, BiH i Srbija. onda izjava da je "Sarajevo dobilo isto kao i Istanbul" i razne druge teme a koje se tiču i BiH. koliko je dobro što je Erdoan uzeo izbore vidječemo.

[PipiDugaDevetka]

Balkan Leaders' Summit 2010 “Making Europe Whole: Completing the Balkans’ Euro-Atlantic Integration”

Waldorf Astoria Hotel, New York
September 22, Wednesday - 6 pm

Program
6:00-6:45 Reception and Registration
6:45-7:00 Guests will move frm Astor and Jade Rooms to Grand Ballroom
7:15- 7:30 Welcome Remarks by FEBA President, and Tuskon President
7:30- 8:10 Remarks by Heads of States (Order of Remarks by Heads of Delegations are subject to change)

President of Macedonia
President of Montonegro
Prime Minister of Albania
MFA of Slovenia
Prime Minister of Bulgaria
President of BIH
MFA of Croatia
President of Kosovo

8:10 Keynote Address by President of Turkey
8:30 Group photo of all the speakers/leaders at the stage
8:35 Dinner will be served
8:45- 9:07 Live Concert by Balkan Chamber Orchestra
10:00 Closing Remarks




Mission of the Balkan Leaders’ Summit: Through the Annual Balkan Leaders’ Summit, the Federation of Balkan American Associations hopes to achieve its mission of sharing the Balkan’s heritage of tolerance and understanding with the world leaders, Presidents, Prime Ministers, Foreign Affairs Ministers, as well as business and religious leaders, journalists, artists, scholars, and professionals covering a spectrum of fields. The purpose of this program is to help in creating common goals and ideals in the Balkans. When we take into consideration the ethnic, religious and linguistic differences in the region, we can say that what we need is to create common goals and ideals. Cooperation and good-neighborly relations will be the guarantee of a compromise in the Balkans.


Some of the Distinguished Invitees of Balkan Leaders’ Summit 2010 Include:

H.E. Bamir Topi, President of Albania
H.E. Sali Berisha, Prime Minister of Albania
H.E. Yves Leterme, Prime Minister of Belgium
H.E. Haris Silajdzic, President of the Presidency of Bosnia and Herzegovina
H.E. Georgi Parvanov, President of Bulgaria
H.E. Boyko Borissov, Prime Minister of Bulgaria
H.E. Ivo Josipovic, President of Croatia
H.E. Jadranka Kosor, Prime Minister of Croatia
H.E. Karolos Papoulias, President of Greece
H.E. George A. Papandreu, Prime Minister of Greece
H.E. Fatmir Sejdiu, President of Kosovo
H.E. Hashim Thaci, Prime Minister of Kosovo
H.E. Gjorgje Ivanov, President of Macedonia
H.E. Nikola Gruevski, Prime Minister of Macedonia
H.E. Filip Vujanović, President of Montenegro
H.E. Milo Djukanovic, Prime Minister of Montenegro
H.E. Traian Băsescu, President of Romania
H.E. Emil Boc, Prime Minister of Romania
H.E. Boris Tadic, President of Serbia
H.E. Mirko Cvetkovic, Prime Minister of Serbia
H.E. Danilo Turk, President of Slovenia
H.E. Borut Pahor, Prime Minister of Slovenia
H.E. Abdullah Gül, President of Turkey
H.E. Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, Prime Minister of Turkey
H.E. Barack Hussein Obama, President of the United States of America
H.E. Ilir Meta, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Albania
H.E. Steven Vanackere, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Belgium
H.E. Sven Alkalaj, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Bosnia and Herzegovina
H.E. Nikolay Mladenov, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Bulgaria
H.E. Gordan Jandrokovic, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Croatia
H.E. Skender Hyseni, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Kosovo
H.E. Antonio Milosovski, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Macedonia
H.E. Milan Roćen, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Montenegro
H.E. Teodor Baconschi, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Romania
H.E. Vuk Jeremic, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Serbia
H.E. Samuel Zbogar, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Slovenia
H.E. Ahmet Davutoğlu, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Turkey
H.E. Hillary Rodham Clinton, Secretary of State of the United States of America
H.E. Catherine Ashton, Vice President of the European Commission
H.E. Ekmeleddin İhsanoğlu, Secretary General of the OIC

Among Our Esteemed Attendees and Speakers of the 2009 Annual Balkan Leaders’ Reception were:

H.E. Ahmet Davutoğlu, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Turkey
H.E. Haris Silajdzic, Member of the Presidency of Bosnia and Herzegovina
H.E. Stjepan Mesic, President of Croatia
H.E. Fatmir Sejdiu, President of Kosovo
H.E. Ilir Meta, Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Albania
H.E. Sven Alkalaj, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Bosnia and Herzegovina
H.E. Gordan Jandrokovic, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Croatia
H.E. Skender Hyseni, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Kosovo
H.E. Milan Rocen, Minister of Foreign Affairs of Montenegro
H.E. Milen Lyutskanov, Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of Bulgaria
H.E. Ambassador Anastassis Mitsialis, Permanent Representative of Greece to the UN
H.E. Ekmeleddin Ihsanoğlu, Secretary General of the OIC



About the Federation of Balkan American Associations:

Founded by a group of Balkan Americans whose goal and mission was to promote the Balkan Cultures and Languages in an effort to strengthen the cultural and educational ties between the people of the United States and the Balkans. Federation of Balkan American Associations organizes educational and cultural activities such as Annual Balkan Leaders Reception, International Conferences, Lectures and Seminars, Workshops, Balkan Film Festival, Balkan Food and Culture Festival, Sports Tournaments, Youth Nights, Art Exhibits, Concerts, Movie Screening, Business Network Receptions, Trips to the Balkans, After School Programs, Learning Center, Language Courses, and informational programs about the Balkans and Balkan Culture throughout placing special emphasis on dialogue, and peace.

[rogoz]

Braco Turci
brzo vamo
cekaju vas vuci...
Turska je najveci prijatelj BiH.

[Bosnolog]

Proslog vikenda sam bio u drustvo neke politicko libistickie diplomatske uticajne kreme,pa izmdu ostalog medu njima i brojni Turci iz uticajnih politickih krugova regionalno uticjane drzave,Razgovarali smo o svemu a najvise o balkanskoj regiji,historiji,strateskim investicijama,svijetskoj geopolitici,ekonomskoj krizi te posljedicama iste na regionanoj i svijetskoj sceni.. Turci su svijesni da je EU Turkofobicna i islamofobicna, da je dobro sto nisu dio EU zbog svega ste se desava unutar EU-a i onog sto ce se desavati.Da su clnica morali bi placati svoj udio bakrotiralim zemljama da ne povuku cijelu EU u jamu,Privredni rast Turske je medu najacim u svijetu,oni se okrecu jacanju njihovog uticaja u regiji i sirenju Turskog uticaja na zemlje u okruzenju.Jeste da mnogi ne vole sve vise nadolazecu moc Turske ali imaju respekt prema njoj jer imaju ekonomsku,politicku i vojnu moc,Cak se zagovara refroma UN-a i sitem odlucivanja sa pravom veta i kada se moze koristiti,.....Interesantno je slusati kako im Grci nude otoke na prodaju,.

Balkansko arapsko azijsko kavkaske zemlje su im interesna sfera,najveci problem su ima diktatorski arapsko kraljevski rezimi koji su najveci nepriejtelji tog istog naroda u svojim drzavama,sto je zaostavstina englesko evropske kolonijalizacije tih prostora.

Turci zagovaraju stvaranje tursko arapsko muslimanske unije nesto poput EU sa jednistvenom monetom i parlamentom ukljucujuci i zajednicki vojni savez u buducnosti kao alternativu neulaska u EU...Amerika ima interes da sa njim abude u bliskom savezu ne sto ih vole vec sto ima se interesi poklapaju na svijetskoj sceni,naspram Rusa i Kineza kao i dijela evropski politickih drzavnih prostitutki koji rade protiv Amerike i njihovih interesa,.......

Interesantno je da Turci imaju dosta dobre odnose i sa Rusima iako su im Rusi bili najveci nepriejtelji kroz historiju,...

[ljubav_aha]

Interesantno je da Turci imaju dosta dobre odnose i sa Rusima iako su im Rusi bili najveci nepriejtelji kroz historiju,...

o logiko

[Henry Chinaski]

A ti *Hrvoje* trkni il do ZG il u *Perziju* odakle si i došao

ma Rvoje će da ostane na svom ognjištu pa kud puklo da puklo...a svi oni koji priželjkuju tuđu čizmu na ovom prostoru..daleko im kuća bila

Mislim da tuđu čizmu na ovim prostorima priželjkuju svi, u smislu stranih investicija. Činjenica je da, što više stranog ulaganja, to više (realno) gubimo suverenitet (u današnjem, neokolonijalističkom vremenu) ali tako svijet funkcioniše i ne može se bez toga.
Samo je pitanje, zašto bi bio dobar, recimo, austrijski ili njemački kapital, a ne valja turski?

Mislim da bolesni mrzitelji svega što je tursko najviše i doprinose stanju kakvo imamo danas u BiH.

Još samo da se dotaknem školstva: kod nas je, generalno, školstvo u qurcu pa se to malo reflektuje i na strane obrazovne ustanove (ne samo Turske). Ako govorimo o obrazovanju u Turskoj, skidam kapu. Ovo je provjereno.

Ako Turska prepozna interes za ulaganje u našu zemlju (a mislim da hoće), onda će uzimati i aktivniju ulogu u smislu političkog uticaja.

[El_comadante]

Turska širi uticaj na balkan to je činjenica. sad koliko če t Europa dopustiti da se i zasita širi i dokle vidječemo. pa onda još šire uicaj na kavkaske zemlje a koje su muslimanse kao npr. Azerbejđan, Kazahstan itd, pa onda i Irka i Sirija itd. sve je to neki plan.

[Bosnolog]

Interesantno je da Turci imaju dosta dobre odnose i sa Rusima iako su im Rusi bili najveci nepriejtelji kroz historiju,...

o logiko

Ekonomski interesi nemaju granica,pa tako i privredna razmjena sa Rusima je ono sto ih obostrano interesno veze,.Politicki su nesto drugo,......

Rusi su Turcima kroz historiju bili najvec nepriejtelji,ovo su fakti,......

[jorgun]

Ako Turska prepozna interes za ulaganje u našu zemlju (a mislim da hoće), onda će uzimati i aktivniju ulogu u smislu političkog uticaja.

Prepoznala je. Ali će podjednako, možda čak i više, ulagati u Srbiju. Turci misle da je to put.

[jorgun]

Rusi su Turcima kroz historiju bili najvec nepriejtelji,ovo su fakti,......

Kako kad, od trenutka do trenutka.

[madner]

Turska je imala odlicne odnose sa Sovjetima, Osmanlije su imale problema sa Ruskim Carstvom. Velika je to razlika.

[jorgun]

Turska je imala odlicne odnose sa Sovjetima, Osmanlije su imale problema sa Ruskim Carstvom. Velika je to razlika.

Bingo.

[Bosnolog]

Turska je imala odlicne odnose sa Sovjetima , Osmanlije su imale problema sa Ruskim Carstvom. Velika je to razlika.

Imao sam priliku da cujem svjedocenja prezivjelih zrtava Staljinovog rezima sto je radeno sa njima kako su deportovali Tatare,Aske,Turke i druge muslimane bivsih sovjetskih republika na Sibir i druge destinacije gdje su ljude jednostavno pokupili iz kuca i nabli u vozove kojima su hiljade pomrle i jednostavno izbaceni i razbacani po stratistima Kavkaza,Sibira i drugih dijelova sovjetskih oblasti,.....Generacije su mucene,familije zauvijek rasturene,stotine hiljada umrlo od gladi,progona,tortura,bolesti i svega sto su ima radili,........

Hitler je bio amater za ovu sovjetsko rusko diktartorsku zlocinacku bolesnu stoku,....

Ceceni su imali stotinu puta tragicniju sudbinu od progona kosovskih Albanaca od strane Rankovica,Milosevica i drugih bolesnika,.....

Evo ti malo iz zapisa u vezi ovog sto su radile dvonoge zivotinjske Bacuske,.....

On November 14, 1944, the Meskhetian Turks were forcefully evicted from Georgia under the pretense of "fortifying strategically vulnerable borders." The supposition at the time was that the Soviet Union planned to attack Turkey, and the Meskhets might side with the latter. It is also possible that Stalin wanted to purge Georgia of Moslems, who he saw as a threat. Within 24 hours, over 100,000 Meskhetian Turks were forced from their homes, herded into wagons meant for livestock, and exiled to the deserts and steppes of Central Asia and Kazakhstan. Along the way and over the first four months in these strange places, 17,000 people died. The exiles were banned from living in cities, which probably explains why most Meskhetian Turks are now agrarian. There are almost no factory workers among them and few intellectuals.

Twice a month, each Turk had to report to the local warden. It was forbidden to leave one's village even for a short time without permission. Violating this restriction was punishable by imprisonment or exile to Siberia for 25 years. This made it impossible for young people to find a spouse in a village other than their own.

Other Moslem peoples of the Caucasus, including Balkars, Ingushes, Karachai, and Chechens, suffered similar tragedies. However, five years after Stalin died, these moslems were permitted to return to their homelands. Another fate was intended for the Turks. At the end of World War II, the Akhaltsikh territory of Georgia was declared a "frontier zone" of limited civilian access into which Turks were not only forbidden to resettle but even to visit briefly to pay their respects to buried ancestors.

In 1989, the Soviet government lifted the restrictions, but Georgian nationalist officials objected. The next year, the possibility that Meskhetian Turks would be allowed to return home greatly diminished with the electoral victory in Georgia of Zviad Gamsakhurdia's Round Table - A Free Georgia. "There is no room for Turks in Georgia," declared the advocates of this political block. They said this, even though over a third of the 209 villages left behind by banished Meshets remain uninhabited.

Moreover, a quarter of the arable land in Georgia, formerly farmed by the Turks, lies fallow, because of a labor shortage and the fact that those relocated there are untrained in the terrace agriculture native to Meskhet-Dzhavakhti. Since Georgia has an extreme food shortage, it would seem both equitable and reasonable to return this fallow land to the Meskhetian Turks. However, strong anti-Turk sentiment in Georgia blocks this economically sound course (see "Indigenes and Settlers" on page 30).

ANOTHER EXILE

Since the Meskhetian Turks weren't allowed to return to their homeland, they continued living in Central Asia, primarily in Uzbekistan. This was the case up until June 1989, when Uzbek extremists took part in a horrible mass slaughter of the Turks in the Fergana Valley. According to official (and most probably low) figures, 97 people died, over 1,000 were wounded, and 752 houses were burned to the ground. Before the massacre, about 100,000 Turks lived in Uzbekistan. Now fewer than 20,000 remain. This began a new migration of the Turks out of Central Asia and another leg of their tragic fate. http://www.culturalsurvival.org/ourpubl ... tian-turks

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The following paper by J. Otto Pohl was presented at the 5th Annual World Convention of the Association for the Study of Nationalities: "Identity and the State: Nationalism and Sovereignty in a Changing World," 13-15 April 2000, Columbia University, New York. It was part of a panel titled "A Nation Exiled: The Crimean Tatars in the Russian Empire, Central Asia, and Turkey." We thank Mr. Pohl for letting us publish his paper on the World Wide Web. - Ed.
The Deportation and Fate of the Crimean Tatars

By J. Otto Pohl

The mass expulsion of populations based upon ethnicity has marked much of the 20th century. Most recently the ethnic cleansing of Kosova by Yugoslavia captured headlines around the world.For much of the previous decade the plight of the Bosnian Muslims, subjected to similar measures, held the world's attention. These recent events are only the most recent manifestations of an old phenomenon. The Muslim nationalities of Eastern Europe have been victims of numerous ethnic cleansing campaigns since the late 18th century. Among those nationalities expelled en masseduring the 19th century from their homelands were the Bulgarian Muslims, Circassians, and Abkhazians. The Imperial Russian government was involved in all these mass expulsions.[1] In the 20th century, the government of the Soviet Union perfected the crime of ethnic cleansing. During World War II, the Stalin regime used the resources of a highly organized state with a modern rail system to rapidly exile entire nations from their ancestral homelands. The Soviet government targeted the Muslim nationalities of the Caucasus and Crimea for deportation in their entirety. The Soviet political police, NKVD (Peoples Commissariat of Internal Affairs) exiled the Karachays, Chechens, Ingush, Balkars, Crimean Tatars, and Meskhetian Turks to Kazakhstan, Central Asia, Siberia, and other remote areas of the USSR in 1943 and 1944. These brutal forced relocations to desolate areas with poor material conditions resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths.[2]

The Soviet government allowed the surviving Karachays, Chechens, Ingush, and Balkars to return to their homelands and reestablish their national institutions in the late 1950s. The Crimean Tatars and Meskhetian Turks, however, remained exiled far from their roots. Only after 1989, could a significant number of Crimean Tatars return to their ancestral homeland. Today more than 250,000 (more than 50% of the total population in the former USSR) Crimean Tatars reside in the Crimea.[3] Although they still suffer from discrimination and exclusion in their homeland, the Crimean Tatars have made significant progress in repairing the damage inflicted upon their national existence by Stalin. This recovery has been an incredible feat. Stalin's policies killed tens of thousands of Crimean Tatars, deprived the entire nation of its homeland and cultural foundations for over half a century, and sought to completely eliminate them as a culturally distinct people. This paper will examine Stalin's deportation and repression of the Crimean Tatars during the 1940s in the light of materials from the former Soviet archives released in the past decade. In particular it will address the hardships and suffering endured by the Crimean Tatars as a result of their exile to Uzbekistan and the Urals .

The Crimean Tatars consider themselves the indigenous people (korenni narod) of the Crimean peninsula. This claim received official recognition from the Soviet government during the era of korenzatsiia (nativization) in the 1920s and early 1930s. During this time the Soviet government actively promoted the national development of non-Russian ethnic groups in the USSR. The primary focus of this nation building centered on the creation of national territorial units within the USSR. These units ranged in size from village soviets to soviet socialist republics. On 18 October 1921, the SNK (Council of Peoples Commissariats) of the RSFSR (Russian Soviet Federated Socialist Republic) formed the Crimean ASSR (Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic).[4] This administrative unit actively promoted the cultural autonomy of the Crimean Tatars, who made up about a quarter of the territory's population. Both Crimean Tatar and Russian were official state languages of the Crimean ASSR. On a local level the Crimean ASSR had 144 village Soviets which used Crimean Tatar as their administrative language. [5] The territory also possessed a myriad of Crimean Tatar cultural institutions including four teachers' colleges, journals, newspapers, museums, libraries, theaters, and an Oriental Institute at Tavrida University specializing in Crimean Tatar language and literature.[6] The Soviet government's active promotion of Crimean Tatar national development in the 1920s contrasts sharply with Stalin's later attempt to destroy the Crimean Tatars as a people.

During the 1930s, Soviet policies towards the Crimean Tatars became increasingly repressive. Despite enjoying real cultural autonomy during korenzatsiia, the Crimean Tatars suffered from Stalin's economic and political policies. The "dekulakization" campaign of 1929-1931 involved the deportation of thousands of Crimean Tatars to Northern Russia and the Urals. The forced collectivization of agriculture in the Crimea devastated the vineyards, orchards, and farms of the Crimean Tatars. This devastation contributed greatly to the 1932-1933 famine in the region. As the 1930s progressed Stalin began to curtail the cultural autonomy of the Crimean Tatars and persecute their intelligentsia. In 1935 there were 23 Crimean Tatar language publications in the Crimean ASSR.[7] By 1938 the Soviet government had eliminated 14 of them.[8] During 1937 and 1938, the Stalin regime executed a large number of Crimean Tatar intellectuals. This persecution turned many Crimean Tatars against the Soviet government. During World War II, the German government sought to exploit this resentment for their own purposes. Their limited success in this endeavor had tragic consequences for the Crimean Tatars.

The events of World War II had a huge impact on the entire Crimean Tatar population. The Axis occupation of the Crimean peninsula precipitated a brutal war between Soviet partisans and German and Romanian forces. This war involved Crimean Tatars on both sides. After the Soviet victory in World War II, the Stalin regime exiled the entire Crimean Tatar population to Uzbekistan and Eastern Russia. Crimean Tatar soldiers in the Red Army found themselves rewarded for their loyalty with harsh forced labor in coal mines and lumber camps in the Urals. These events still haunt the Crimean Tatars both demographically and psychologically. In 1939, the Soviet census counted 218,179 Crimean Tatars in the Crimean ASSR.[9] By 1953, their numbers in the USSR had dropped to 165,259 people scattered throughout Kazakhstan, Central Asia, the Urals, and Siberia.[10] This loss becomes even more staggering when the pre-war growth of the Crimean Tatar population is taken into account. Between 1923 and 1939, the Crimean Tatar population increased from 150,000 to over 218,000.[11] The scale of this demographic loss gives a small indication of the traumatic devastation the war, deportations, exile, and forced labor had upon the Crimean Tatars.

Opsirnije (Nastavak) http://www.iccrimea.org/scholarly/jopohl.html

Remembering Stalin's deportations
On 23 February 1944 the Soviet leader, Josef Stalin, deported the entire Chechen people, and their Ingush neighbours, from the Caucasus to Central Asia. Chechen BBC journalist Sapiet Dakhshukaeva talks to some who survived. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3509933.stm

[madner]

To je sve tacno, ali kada je 1920 Turska bila svedena na Ankaru i blizu okolinu, USSR im je pomogla. Ta saradnja se nastavila, sve do kraja WW2 i Turskog ulaska u NATO. Nacije imaju interese, Turski interes nisu turskogovoreci narodi. Osim ponekad, kada se treba busat.

[Bosnolog]

Postperiod nakon WWI Turci su bili u najgoroj fazi nakon propasti Osmanlijske imperije,....Njih su i Arapi napali i ubijali a koje su kolonijatori Britanci okrenuli protiv njih bili fakticki u ratu sa svima ali su im Rusi bili najveci neprijatelji udruzeni sa svima protiv Turaka u njihovom okruzenju,.......

Staljin je samo nastavio da ih tamani nakon WWII,to jest da narod koji je nekada bio dio osamnlijskog carstva a potom drzave ex SSSR-a proganja,ubija i deportuje,.......

[detroit-mercy]

Postperiod nakon WWI Turci su bili u najgoroj fazi nakon propasti Osmanlijske imperije,....Njih su i Arapi napali i ubijali a koje su kolonijatori Britanci okrenuli protiv njih bili fakticki u ratu sa svima ali su im Rusi bili najveci neprijatelji udruzeni sa svima protiv Turaka u njihovom okruzenju,.......

Staljin je samo nastavio da ih tamani nakon WWII,to jest da narod koji je nekada bio dio osamnlijskog carstva a potom drzave ex SSSR-a proganja,ubija i deportuje,.......

Eki, znaci Staljin tamanio samo one sto su bili dio osmanlijskog carstva. Za tvoju infromaciju, Staljin je tamanio sve redom ko mu se nije svidjao, suprostavio ili ko se nije uklapao u njegovu viziju drzave. Prema tome kreni od Baltickih naroda, Ukrajinaca, Jevreja, Nijemaca, Rusa, Kavkaskih naroda, Kozaka .
Mislim, nadji mi nekoga koga Staljin nije dotakao .

[Bosnolog]

Davutoglu: "Ukoliko Bosna i Hercegovina ima problem, Turska ne može okrenuti glavu"
29. 08. 2011. • 18:18 A. K.


Proteklih sto godina bilo je u znaku ratova, etničkih podjela kriza i svi se moramo zapitati da li želimo još ratova ili novu viziju za Balkan. Turska je za novu viziju unutar koje će biti rješavane sve krize, rekao je danas na predavanju na Američkom univerzitetu BiH (AUBiH) ministar vanjskih poslova Republike Turske Ahmet Davutoglu.

Davutoglu je studentima i profesorima AUBiH, predstavnicima diplomatskog kora, zvaničnicima BiH, visokom predstavniku Valentinu Inzku i drugima govorio o viziji Turske kada je u pitanju Balkan, a posebno BiH.

U tom smislu kazao je da je Turska u tretiranju problema i kriza sklonija pristupu zasnovanom na budućnosti nego onom koji se bazira na prošlosti.

Istakao je da rješenje krize na Balkanu vidi kroz nekoliko pristupa. Jedan od njih je zajedničko rješavanje svih problema regije.

"Naprimjer, ukoliko BiH ima problem, Turska ne može okrenuti glavu i praviti se da se to nje ne tiče. Tako je sa svakom zemljom u ovoj regiji. To su naši problemi i moramo ih zajedno riješiti. Dijalog je neophodan i EU je dobar primjer jer je zasnovana na dijalogu. Moramo vidjeti više sastanaka političkih lidera, više razgovora, ali onih licem u lice, a ne putem medija" rekao je Davutoglu.

Drugi pristup je, pojasnio je, princip regionalne integracije.

"Pod tim ne mislim na ponovno ujedinjenje već činjenicu da će u budućnosti ovaj region u ekonomskom smislu biti kao jedan i odatle moramo poći u rješavanje svih problema. Svi moramo živjeti kao jedan ili ćemo propasti zajedno. Balkan nije periferija već centar Evrope", naglasio je.

Davutoglu je prezentirao i treći pristup, a koji se odnosi na zajednički nastup svih zemalja regiona kako prema EU, tako i prema NATO-u, ali i u ekonomskom smislu.

"Balkan mora nastupati zajedno. Zemlje Balkana moraju braniti interese jedne druge i zastupati jedna drugu", zaključio je.

Davutoglua je na početku predavanja pozdravio ministar vanjskih poslova BiH Sven Alkalaj koji je potcrtao iskreno prijateljstvo BiH i Turske.

Pozdravni govor održao je i predsjednik AUBiH Denis Prcić koji je Davutogluu uručio grb AUBiH u bronci. Ministar vanjskih poslova Republike Turske je uz riječi zahvalnosti za organiziranje predavanja Prciću uručio grb MVP-a Turske.

Inače, Davutoglu će Bajram proslaviti, kako je istakao "u svom gradu i sa svojom porodicom, u Sarajevu" .

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Ocekujem Vasicevo,Vlajkijevo i Dodikovo novo prenamaganje ovom posjetom neosmanlijksog okupatora Davutogluua,kao novog reinkrimiranog Sultan Mehmet Fatiha,.....

[Skijaš]

Inače, Davutoglu će Bajram proslaviti, kako je istakao "u svom gradu i sa svojom porodicom, u Sarajevu"

Dobrodošli su svi koji dolaze sa plemenitim namjerama. Prije 600 i nešto godina, naš kontakt sa Turcima nije bio ovako svečarski, nego smo im, iako su bili svjetska velesila, kod Bileće izašli na megdan i dobro ih nalupali. Ali ovaj put dolaze sa dobrim namjerama i zato su im ovaj grad i ova zemlja otvoreni.

[stari grad Visegrad]

Pa sta cemo kad BiH Srbi i BiH Hrvati ne zeli Bosansko-Hercegovacku Svicarsku, vec zele Velku srbiju i veliku Hrvatsku, i zele da smo svi siromasni. Zivilo siromastvo kod nas i zivjele susjedne zemlje. Nego kako bi bilo kada bi svako imao po 2000 e platu?

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Pa sta cemo kad BiH Srbi i BiH Hrvati ne zeli Bosansko-Hercegovacku Svicarsku, vec zele Velku srbiju i veliku Hrvatsku, i zele da smo svi siromasni. Zivilo siromastvo kod nas i zivjele susjedne zemlje. Nego kako bi bilo kada bi svako imao po 2000 e platu?

Ne mogu da vjerujem šta ti napisa...
Dobar s Turskom i plata 2000 EUR. Pa nije Turska Merhamet, ona jedino može kao i bilo koji drugi ulagač, ulagati iz vlastitiog interesa. I neće joj osnovni cilj biti tebi i meni povećati platu. Naravno pozdravljam, ali nemam nekakvu preveliku ljubav. A i zašto bih kada su u pitanju samo interesi.
A eto druga dva naroda mazohisti, koji ti je....

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Pa sta cemo kad BiH Srbi i BiH Hrvati ne zeli Bosansko-Hercegovacku Svicarsku, vec zele Velku srbiju i veliku Hrvatsku, i zele da smo svi siromasni. Zivilo siromastvo kod nas i zivjele susjedne zemlje. Nego kako bi bilo kada bi svako imao po 2000 e platu?

Mora se izgraditi politika koja ne ovisi od vanjskih faktora (domacih separatista i MZ). Pr- Bosanske snage imaju dovoljno manevarskog prostora da provode 90% mjera u cilju jacanja BiH. Vlast na Federalnom nivou i 7 (tojest 6.5) kantona daje sasvim dovoljno mogucnosti da se anulira separatisticka prijetnja i zemlja ojaca. Sve sto Dodik blokira na drzavnom nivou Federacija moze nadoknaditi. Treba se pomiriti sa nekim stvarima i strpljivo lobiranjem i drugim nacinama raditi na njima ali ne sjediti skrsenih ruku vec efekte te politike anulirati na terenu.

Npr:
- Dodik blokira ulazak u NATO = Federacija uvede aktivnu rezervu u Federalni MUP recimo 30-ak hiljada snaznu i opremi je.
- Dodik smanji budzetsku stavku za povratak u cetnitetu = Federacija poveca
- Proces blokiranja zaposljavanja povratnika se nastavi = Federacija stimulira privatne poslove povratnika i zagarantuje odkup svih poljoprivrednih proizvoda povratnika.
- Lokalna policija i dalje ostane izricito etnicki cista = Federacija paralelno sa ustavnom tuzbom financira privatne zastitate gdje treba.

Sa druge strane ukinuti ludzacke prepreke za povratak poput ukidanja zdravstvenog osiguranja i beneficija povratnicima itd.


Sa 150 000 pro-bosnaskih glasaca u cetnitetu i jedinstvenom izbornom listom, cetnitet prestaje biti faktor u odlucivanju.


Pro-Bosanske snage u ovom momentu mogu imati apsolutno sve konce u svojim rukama sto se tice buducnosti ove zemlje samo da je malo vise pameti i volje a malo manje lopovluka i javasluka.

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Pro-Bosanske snage u ovom momentu mogu imati apsolutno sve konce u svojim rukama sto se tice buducnosti ove zemlje samo da je malo vise pameti i volje a malo manje lopovluka i javasluka.

Potencijal je tu, saveznici su tu, samo još nedostaje inicijativa "naših".

[stari grad Visegrad]

Pa sta cemo kad BiH Srbi i BiH Hrvati ne zeli Bosansko-Hercegovacku Svicarsku, vec zele Velku srbiju i veliku Hrvatsku, i zele da smo svi siromasni. Zivilo siromastvo kod nas i zivjele susjedne zemlje. Nego kako bi bilo kada bi svako imao po 2000 e platu?

Ne mogu da vjerujem šta ti napisa...
Dobar s Turskom i plata 2000 EUR. Pa nije Turska Merhamet, ona jedino može kao i bilo koji drugi ulagač, ulagati iz vlastitiog interesa. I neće joj osnovni cilj biti tebi i meni povećati platu. Naravno pozdravljam, ali nemam nekakvu preveliku ljubav. A i zašto bih kada su u pitanju samo interesi.
A eto druga dva naroda mazohisti, koji ti je....

Nisam nigdje ni pomenuo Tursku nit sa mislio na Tursku. Mislio sma da svako angazuje za izvoz prijateljske zemlje iz svoje perspektive: npr. Bosnjaci imaju ekonomsku saradnju sa onima zemljama koje simpatisu Bosnajke, npr. Amerika, , Malezija, Turska, Libija, Kosovo i druge; Hrvati imaju ekonomsku saradnju sa onima s a kojima im je lahko ostavriti sardnju npr. sa Hravtskom, Italijaom, Austrijom, itd a BH Srbi imaju ekonomsku saradnju sa Srbijom, Ceskom, Makedonijom, Rusijom itd. I eto ti ekonomske koristi svakom pojedincu, vise radnih mjesta itd.
Kad se svi udruze onda bi bili sila kao Svicarska.