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Posted: 22/11/2004 02:44
Fair,jasno je to ,samo moram ga malo pecnuti.
Ovo drugo sam negdje ranije procitao i odvalio se od smijeha.
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Ovo drugo sam negdje ranije procitao i odvalio se od smijeha.
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Pa sta ja drugo radim?neutralac wrote:Fair,jasno je to ,samo moram ga malo pecnuti.
Ovo drugo sam negdje ranije procitao i odvalio se od smijeha.
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ziv bioFair Life wrote:Pa sta ja drugo radim?neutralac wrote:Fair,jasno je to ,samo moram ga malo pecnuti.
Ovo drugo sam negdje ranije procitao i odvalio se od smijeha.
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Pozdrav Ake !
to ono ko kad je dzafer nekad davno u bristolu tjero gimnazijalce sa rjecima,The_Fluid wrote: slaba su ta vasha iskustva, kao i mnoge druge obichne stvari i emigriranje je tabu tema medju bosancima i kod aketa
dobri moj ne lupajThe_Fluid wrote:I bi sinotj Arduana show, tema: shta smo kao nauchili u inostranstvu, gostiju nekoliko, uglavnom ljudi koji su zavrshili shkole u inostranstvu i vratili se, no sugestivna kakva i jeste, i mahalski postavljena emisija ("je li tachno shto se pricha da su oni hladni?", ovo je jedna od najboljih predrasuda o zapadu), emisija je ispala kao hvalospjev svima koji su se vratili, odnosno suprotno onima koji hotje da odu ("voditeljica je sama izjavila: kako joj je navrh glave istih..").
sejla1 wrote: ...a nijedna amerika ili kanada te ne moze promijeniti niti nametnuti svoj nacin razmisljanja i cestitosti...
...pa sta cemo sad??...hoces da ides u npr. kanadu a ne dozvoljavas da te asimiliraju, sa druge strane zahtijevas asimilaciju drugih ovdje??......asimilacija je jako bitna isto kao sto bi se sandzaklije trebale asimilirati na nasu sredinu...
...predrasuda, nikome ovo drustvo nije dalo vise, nego onima koji su tu rodjeni...kao sto ni tebi nijedno drustvo u koje odes nece dati vise nego onima koji su, da tako kazem, starosjedioci...sto je i normalno, i tako treba da bude......ali ono sto im zamjeram sto zive u sarajevu preko 20 -tak god a da i dalje pricaju ekavski!?znaci svesno odbijaju da se asimiliraju u to drustvo iako mu je to drustvao dalo vise nego meni.
asimilacija i naturalizacija nema nikakve veze sa nacinom razmisljanja i cestitosti ...Kurt_Kombajn wrote:sejla1 wrote: ...a nijedna amerika ili kanada te ne moze promijeniti niti nametnuti svoj nacin razmisljanja i cestitosti......pa sta cemo sad??...hoces da ides u npr. kanadu a ne dozvoljavas da te asimiliraju, sa druge strane zahtijevas asimilaciju drugih ovdje??......asimilacija je jako bitna isto kao sto bi se sandzaklije trebale asimilirati na nasu sredinu...
...predrasuda, nikome ovo drustvo nije dalo vise, nego onima koji su tu rodjeni...kao sto ni tebi nijedno drustvo u koje odes nece dati vise nego onima koji su, da tako kazem, starosjedioci...sto je i normalno, i tako treba da bude......ali ono sto im zamjeram sto zive u sarajevu preko 20 -tak god a da i dalje pricaju ekavski!?znaci svesno odbijaju da se asimiliraju u to drustvo iako mu je to drustvao dalo vise nego meni.
...da li bi ti voljela da za 20-tak godina pricas engleski ili norveski sa svojom djecom(unucima), jer oni uopste ne znaju da ti odgovore na jeziku koji si naucila od svoje majke??
Redom, mada to nije tema, Arduanina emisija je za sekundu bolja od prvih nekoliko. I to je u redu, trebalo curi vremena da se uhoda. No, ako voditeljica misli da se lezherni stil postizhe na nachin na koji ona to chini, moram razocharati i tebe i nju, chista mahala, jedan kroz jedan.
emisija ima svoj stil, svoj kvalitet i svoje mahane ali svakako nije "sugestivna & mahalska"
da je zapad hladan puka je istina a dozivio ju je onaj ko je obisao zapad i makar malo boravio u drugom kulturoloskom ambijentu..ne samo zapadnom
vrlo ozbiljna tematvrdi da je zhivot kvalitetniji u BiH, nego u USA.
Bez obzira na Murdochovu otvorenost prema imigrantima i njegovo bezrezervno divljenje imigrantskim potencijalama bojim se da je ovaj njegov 'speech' prepun hipokrizije koja je itekako potaknuta ideoloskim i licnim razlozima.pitt wrote:Sta kaze Cica-Rupert
(preneseno iz WSJ)
Let Us Give Thanks to Our Immigrants
By RUPERT MURDOCH
November 24, 2004; Page A12
When B.C. Forbes sailed for America from Scotland in 1904, he was following a course well worn by generations of Scots.
I know how the founder of Forbes magazine must have felt. The Murdochs originally hail from the same part of Scotland. Today, we are part of the most recent wave of immigrants attracted by the bright beacon of American liberty.
These days, it's not always easy to talk about the benefits of immigration. Especially since 9/11, many Americans worry about borders and security. These are legitimate concerns. But surely a nation as great as America has the wit and resources to distinguish between those who come here to destroy the American Dream -- and the many millions more who come to live it.
The evidence of the contributions these immigrants make to our society is all around us -- especially in the critical area of education. Adam Smith (another Scotsman) knew that without a decent system of education, a modern capitalist society was committing suicide. Well, our modern public school systems simply are not producing the talent the American economy needs to compete in the future. And it often seems that it is our immigrants who are holding the whole thing up.
In a study on high school students released this past summer, the National Foundation for American Policy found 60% of the top science students, and 65% of the top math students, are children of immigrants . The same study found that seven of the top award winners at the 2004 Intel Science Talent Search were immigrants or children of immigrants . This correlates with other findings that more than half of engineers -- and 45% of math and computer scientists -- with Ph.D.s now working in the U.S. are foreign born.
It's not just the statistics. You see it at our most elite college and university campuses, where Asian immigrants or their children are disproportionately represented. And a recent study of 28 prestigious American universities by researchers from Princeton and the University of Pennsylvania found something startling: that 41% of the black students attending these schools described themselves as either immigrants or children of immigrants .
The point is that by almost any measure of educational excellence you choose, if you're in America you're going to find immigrants or their children at the top. I don't just mean engineers and scientists and technicians. In my book, anyone who comes here and gives an honest day's work for an honest day's pay is not only putting himself closer to the American Dream, he's helping the rest of us get there too.
As Ronald Reagan said at the Statue of Liberty, "While we applaud those immigrants who stand out, whose contributions are easily discerned, we know that America's heroes are also those whose names are remembered by only a few."
Let me share some of these names with you.
Start with Eddie Chin, an ethnic Chinese Marine who was born a week after his family fled Burma. You've all seen Cpl. Chin. Because when Baghdad fell, he was the Marine we all watched shimmy up the statue of Saddam Hussein to attach the cable that would pull it down.
Or Lance Cpl. Ahmad Ibrahim. His family came to the U.S. from Syria when the first Gulf War broke out. Now Cpl. Ibrahim hopes to be deployed to Iraq -- also as a Marine -- to put his Arabic language skills in the service of Corps and Country.
Or what about Cpl. José Gutierrez, who was raised in Guatemala and came to America as a boy -- illegally! Cpl. Gutierrez was one of the first Marines killed in action in Iraq. As his family told reporters, this young immigrant enlisted with the Marine Corps because he wanted to "give back" to America.
So here we have it -- Asian Marines, Arab Marines, Latino Marines -- all united in the mission of protecting the rest of us. Isn't this what Reagan meant when he said that the bond that ties our immigrants together -- what makes us a nation instead of a collection of individuals -- is "an abiding love of liberty"? So the next time you hear people whinging about what a "drain" on America our immigrants are, it might be worth asking if they consider these Marines a drain.
Maybe this is more clear to businessmen because of what we see every day. My company, News Corporation, is a multinational company based in America. Our diversity is based on talent, cooperation and ability.
Frankly it doesn't bother me in the least that millions of people are attracted to our shores. What we should worry about is the day they no longer find these shores attractive. In an era when too many of our pundits declare that the American Dream is a fraud, it is America's immigrants who remind us -- by dint of their success -- that the Dream is alive, and well within reach of anyone willing to work for it.
We are fortunate to have a president who understands that. Only a few days ago, the White House indicated that it intended to revive an immigration reform which the president had first offered before 9/11 and tried to revive back in January.
Politically speaking, a guest-worker plan is no easy thing. But as President Bush realizes, we'll never fix the problem of illegal immigration simply by throwing up walls and trying to make all of us police them. We've tried that for a decade or so now, and it's been a flop. What we need to do first is to make it easier for those who seek honest work to do so without having to disobey our laws. Fundamentally that means recognizing that an economy as powerful as ours is always going to have a demand for more workers.
Such a policy would benefit us all:
• It would help those who want nothing more than to work legally move out of the shadows.
• It would help our security forces stop wasting resources now spent on hunting down Mexican waitresses and start devoting them to tracking the terrorists who really threaten us.
• It would help the economy by providing America with the labor and talent it needs.
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Given the tremendous pressures on President Bush and the considerable opposition from within his own ranks, the politically expedient thing for him to do would be to drop it. But he hasn't, and I for one am encouraged by his refusal to give in.
The immigrant editor B.C. Forbes spent much of the 20th century championing the glories of American opportunity. We who have arrived more recently likewise will never forget our debt we owe to this land -- and the obligation to keep that same opportunity alive in the 21st.
Mr. Murdoch is chairman and chief executive of News Corporation. This is adapted from a speech he gave last Thursday, in acceptance of the 2004 B.C. Forbes Award.
Zbog Engleskog uticaja nisu divlji kao Amerikanci? Pa kao fakultetski obrazovana dama ocekivao bih da znas da najvece dvije mrlje na savjesti Amerike su zaostavstine tih istih Engleza, imenicno masovni genocid indijanaca i robovlasnistvo. Shvatam zasto Amerika nije opcija za tebe jer vec u 33 godini zivota prakticki ne izradjena gledas drzave sa dobrim socijalnim sistemom. Gdje je tu poenta? Poenta je da se bojis da uhvatis se lopate i radis i zaradis i pokazes sa trudem i znanjem i u znoju ono sta elaboriras u svojoj prici protiv Sandzaklija. U biti nisi nimalo drukcija. I ti bi samo kad bi mogla na mala vrata u zivot. Moj otac je doktor nauka, takvih je samo 2.000 bilo 1991 godine u BiH i danas radi u fabrici u 60-toj godini zivota. Zvuci zalosno, npr vama u BiH. A dali ti zvuci zalosno da je vlasnik kompleksa od 36 apartmana u vrijednosti od 1.6 miliona dollara i da u fabrici radi iskljucivo radi zdravstvenih beneficija i radi penzije.zemlja u koju bih htjela da odem i tamo imam rodice je australija .klima ,ljudi ,soc.uredenje i prava su jedinstvena u australiji ,mozda zbog engleskog uticaja nisu toliko divlji kao amerikanci .amerika je jedina zemlja u koju nikada ne bi pristala da emigriram jer smatram da amerika onakva kakva jeste sada nece dugo trajati ,da ce se desiti neke bitne reforme jer ni svjet je nece vise tolerisati takvu kakva jeste,plitka ,sirova,nekulturna ,tuzna...sodoma i gomora
Kvalitet zhivota i predrasude su za zasebnih tema.Zavisi od osobe koja odlazi na zapad, kako tje se taj isti zapad postaviti prema njoj.
sejla1 wrote:.amerika je jedina zemlja u koju nikada ne bi pristala da emigriram jer smatram da amerika onakva kakva jeste sada nece dugo trajati ,da ce se desiti neke bitne reforme jer ni svjet je nece vise tolerisati takvu kakva jeste,plitka ,sirova,nekulturna ,tuzna...sodoma i gomora!
Jel' ti to tata ispric'o dozivljaje dok je dijelio sa Murdochom studentsku sobu 'na Oxfordu ili Cambridgu'?winetou wrote:Dok je studirao na Oxfordu ili Cambridgu Murdoch je bio ljevičar![]()
Imao je čak lenjinove biste i ostale rekvizite pa je čak imao i problema sa onim engleskim sirovima, lordovima itd. Momci ipak je Rupert vaš
Mora da je levatio studentice sa svojim levicarenjem.winetou wrote:Neš vjerovati, ali bilo na TV