Barça-Madrid (Los Clásicos)

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@fixer:

Gledaj. Pitao sam te ozbiljno, a ti opet izvrces na salu. I to ne bas smijesnu. Ako nemas ideju onda tako i reci. Nije problem. Ako ne zna Mourinho nije sramota da i ti ne znas. Ali mozes imati misljenje. Zato te opet pitam, a ti probaj smisleno odgovoriti na moje pitanje. Kako bi ti postavio realovu igru u utorak protiv Barcelone?

Ja ti necu odgovoriti iz razloga sto mi je mrsko pisati nakon 15 minuta sto sam se probudio. A drugi razlog je to sto ja kad razmisljam, ja razmisljam da su svi igraci dostupni. A nisu. Pa onda fkt nemam ideje sta, sto i nije neki grijeh, jer ja sam navijac, a ne na klupi Reala. Samo znam da se ne bih otvorio.

[pirmin]

jedan zanimljiv klip o situaciji pepe alves

Ne mogu supci podnijeti poraz pa ga jebi.
Noga je trebala puci i karijera sjebana da bi se smirili ovi sto traze neke dlake u jajetu.
A pitanje je da li bi se i tad smirili.

Nisam ljubitelj ni Barce, imaju i oni svojih oraha ali mi strasno idu na genitalije ovi ljubitelji
tzv. Galaktikosa svojim nekim istrazivanjima umjesto da jednostavno priznaju poraz i idu dalje,
da probaju skontati kako da se priblize Kataloncima.

Luzerluk teski

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Ja ti necu odgovoriti iz razloga sto mi je mrsko pisati nakon 15 minuta sto sam se probudio. A drugi razlog je to sto ja kad razmisljam, ja razmisljam da su svi igraci dostupni. A nisu. Pa onda fkt nemam ideje sta, sto i nije neki grijeh, jer ja sam navijac, a ne na klupi Reala. Samo znam da se ne bih otvorio.

Igrao bi slicno kao Madrid u finalu kupa? Ili kao Madrid kuci (1:1)? Ipak, treba dati 2 gola a ne primiti ni jedan. Znaci ti bi prepustio igru Barceloni i nadao se kontrama, s nadom da ce Barcu poceti hvatati panika poslije recimo 0:1 pa da im Madrid uvali jos jedan na foru? I to sve na Camp Nou pred 100 000 barcinih navijaca gdje su uspomene svjeze i rane jos bole od prosle ekskurzije? Napad je sigurno nesto sto ti ne bi preporucio? Posto nema Pepea i Ramosa, koga bi ti stavio na njihove pozicije? Kako bi ti postavio igru u slucaju da Barca vodi 1:0 u prvom poluvremenu?

Probaj smisliti neki sastav (i idealnu strategiju), kad se malo razbudis, pa mi molim te napisi tvoje vidjenje. Bas me zanima kako ti to vidis. Nema veze sto nisi pro. Niko ovdje nije. Ali mozes dati svoje vidjenje. Polazim od toga da navijas za Madrid (a ne iskljucivo za Mourinha).

[StudentskiIC]

Više ti on Mourinha voli nego Real Madrid. Pročitaj šta je pisao po cijeloj temi, najnovija izvala...

Da je Murinho htio razbiti Zaragosu, ne bi mu igrao ovaj sastav

Pazi ti s kim se raspravljaš, Mourinho nije htio razbiti Zaragozu...hehe
Pa sine taj klub za koji navijaš a kažeš da navijaš...

Ja ti necu odgovoriti iz razloga sto mi je mrsko pisati nakon 15 minuta sto sam se probudio. A drugi razlog je to sto ja kad razmisljam, ja razmisljam da su svi igraci dostupni. A nisu. Pa onda fkt nemam ideje sta, sto i nije neki grijeh, jer ja sam navijac, a ne na klupi Reala. Samo znam da se ne bih otvorio.

...se bori za prvo mjesto u Španjolskoj ligi, najvažniji trofej koji mogu osvojiti i Barcelona i Real Madrid, važniji od Lige Prvaka i puno teži za osvojiti. A pazi šta ti pričaš, tim igra sa najboljim napadačima i izvališ da Mourinho kojeg očito voliš (vjerovatno zbog njegove ironije) više od tog kluba čiji si navijač (mada sumnjam da si ikad bio u Madridu, a kamoli šta više) nije htio pobjediti.
Pa šta će onda klubu čiji si navijač, trener koji ne želi pobjediti?

Da se ne upališ, ovo je retoričko pitanje, uopšte me ne interesuješ. Samo da pokažem kakvi sve likovi ovdje pišu. Pišu po 20 stranica o kartonu, a nema teorije da vide dalje od svog velikog nosa pa da skontaju da taj trener kojeg obožavaju nije napravio ništa da pobjedi Barcelonu.

Eno i Barcelona izgubila, moglo je biti -5 da je Mourinho htio razbiti Zaragosu. Prokleti Mourinho, neće nikoga da razbije! Štedi manje klubove!

[JoseMujica]

pa vi ko da neznate da se pitbulu kad zagrize nemre reći...ma pusti bolan ne prima se ...džaba je

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pa vi ko da neznate da se pitbulu kad zagrize nemre reći...ma pusti bolan ne prima se ...džaba je

[StudentskiIC]

Nije dugo bilo...

dobar je ovaj komentar na kraju

someone needs to tie his laces together

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5:0

1:1

1:0

0:2

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Mourinho must not be allowed to overshadow Messi's brilliance

Every team in the world thinks the referee is biased towards the opposition. Small clubs complain that decisions always go in favour of the big clubs. Big clubs believe they have been targeted by referees.
It's all paranoia, of course. I don't think this notion of preferential treatment actually happens. Jose Mourinho is possibly the most paranoid of all, famous for his outbursts about match officials. Or maybe he does it seeking to gain a psychological advantage, I'm not sure.



I have to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he believes what he's saying. But I don't think he will find many who agree with his opinions after Real Madrid's first-leg defeat by Barcelona last week.

Not only that, I don't think the footballing community at large will be shedding many tears that the socalled Special One came off a distant second-best against a manager, Pep Guardiola, whose club, for the most part, are based on quality and dignity.

Lest we forget, amid the post-match hype, it was Mourinho who started the mind games before the Champions League game by saying he hoped Madrid would finish with 11 men. If he thought it meant referee Wolfgang Stark would be more lenient, he was wrong. Pepe got sent off, probably rightly, and Mourinho's claim that it was a scandalous decision doesn't hold water. Pepe and Sergio Ramos, who was sent off against Barcelona earlier in the season, are both in double figures for red cards in their careers. They can't all be unfortunate or coincidental.

And when you sit back against a team like Barcelona and allow them to dictate possession, as Mourinho appeared to instruct Real, you are going to commit a lot of fouls.

But what separated this from previous Mourinho rants was his attempt to demean Barcelona's success in recent years. What was a particularly huge disappointment for me was for a successful and capable manager like Mourinho to question the credibility of Barcelona's trophies, particularly his claim he would be 'ashamed' to have won the Champions League as they did in 2009 because of refereeing decisions they got at Chelsea.

I don't think that is one of Jose's strongest arguments - and that is putting it mildly. A club with the stature of Barcelona, with a man of Guardiola's dignity, and who once worked with Mourinho at Barcelona, deserve much better than that.

I would think anyone who has been successful has had the benefit of a favourable refereeing decision at some time, Mourinho included. He got the benefit himself in his first Champions League title when Paul Scholes had a goal disallowed and Porto went through against Manchester United.
The reason Barca have been so successful is because of the quality and ability they possess, nothing else. Pepe's sending-off might have been debatable to some, but others would say he deserved to go for a high tackle. It didn't smack of a conspiracy from the German referee.

Guardiola handled himself brilliantly, his message was that referees should be left to get on with their jobs and not be put under pressure in press conferences.



Mourinho's Porto team indulged in gamesmanship when they beat Celtic in the 2003 UEFA Cup final, with Deco just one of the offenders going down too easily. Porto won the match but Celtic got all the sympathy afterwards.
Because of Mourinho, Real Madrid won't get much sympathy now - and they don't even have the consolation of winning the game! The big shame is that Mourinho's behaviour has overshadowed Barcelona's quality. I would rather have talked about Lionel Messi's brilliance in scoring one of the best Champions League goals of all time.
But in the real world, the story 'Man gives money to charity' will never get as much publicity as 'Man steals from charity'. So we've all focused on the bad (Mourinho) rather than the good (Messi).
What next for Mourinho? Inevitably, there will be speculation about him coming back to the Premier League. He has had a fantastic career; he does things his way; he is supportive of his players and he is newsworthy, so obviously he will be attractive to some people.

When you think where he started in football, it is commendable what he has done. You don't find many players saying anything but admiring things about him, so he must be a good guy even if you don't agree with what he says.
The politics of Real Madrid are well known and if they don't let him manage his way, they risk losing him. But I think he will want to stay at least another year to try to get his revenge on Barcelona.
In the meantime, this most divisive of characters will have to accept that many people will be enjoying his pain in defeat.

Accusing Barcelona, who are held up by everyone as great examples of how to play football, of not being 'clean' champions was an insult too far.

Kenny Dalglish

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Barcelona record with De Bleeckere: 4W - 1D - 1L
Real Madrid record with De Bleeckere: 1W - 2D - 2L (worldreferee.com)

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Mourinho must not be allowed to overshadow Messi's brilliance

Every team in the world thinks the referee is biased towards the opposition. Small clubs complain that decisions always go in favour of the big clubs. Big clubs believe they have been targeted by referees.
It's all paranoia, of course. I don't think this notion of preferential treatment actually happens. Jose Mourinho is possibly the most paranoid of all, famous for his outbursts about match officials. Or maybe he does it seeking to gain a psychological advantage, I'm not sure.



I have to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he believes what he's saying. But I don't think he will find many who agree with his opinions after Real Madrid's first-leg defeat by Barcelona last week.

Not only that, I don't think the footballing community at large will be shedding many tears that the socalled Special One came off a distant second-best against a manager, Pep Guardiola, whose club, for the most part, are based on quality and dignity.

Lest we forget, amid the post-match hype, it was Mourinho who started the mind games before the Champions League game by saying he hoped Madrid would finish with 11 men. If he thought it meant referee Wolfgang Stark would be more lenient, he was wrong. Pepe got sent off, probably rightly, and Mourinho's claim that it was a scandalous decision doesn't hold water. Pepe and Sergio Ramos, who was sent off against Barcelona earlier in the season, are both in double figures for red cards in their careers. They can't all be unfortunate or coincidental.

And when you sit back against a team like Barcelona and allow them to dictate possession, as Mourinho appeared to instruct Real, you are going to commit a lot of fouls.

But what separated this from previous Mourinho rants was his attempt to demean Barcelona's success in recent years. What was a particularly huge disappointment for me was for a successful and capable manager like Mourinho to question the credibility of Barcelona's trophies, particularly his claim he would be 'ashamed' to have won the Champions League as they did in 2009 because of refereeing decisions they got at Chelsea.

I don't think that is one of Jose's strongest arguments - and that is putting it mildly. A club with the stature of Barcelona, with a man of Guardiola's dignity, and who once worked with Mourinho at Barcelona, deserve much better than that.

I would think anyone who has been successful has had the benefit of a favourable refereeing decision at some time, Mourinho included. He got the benefit himself in his first Champions League title when Paul Scholes had a goal disallowed and Porto went through against Manchester United.
The reason Barca have been so successful is because of the quality and ability they possess, nothing else. Pepe's sending-off might have been debatable to some, but others would say he deserved to go for a high tackle. It didn't smack of a conspiracy from the German referee.

Guardiola handled himself brilliantly, his message was that referees should be left to get on with their jobs and not be put under pressure in press conferences.



Mourinho's Porto team indulged in gamesmanship when they beat Celtic in the 2003 UEFA Cup final, with Deco just one of the offenders going down too easily. Porto won the match but Celtic got all the sympathy afterwards.
Because of Mourinho, Real Madrid won't get much sympathy now - and they don't even have the consolation of winning the game! The big shame is that Mourinho's behaviour has overshadowed Barcelona's quality. I would rather have talked about Lionel Messi's brilliance in scoring one of the best Champions League goals of all time.
But in the real world, the story 'Man gives money to charity' will never get as much publicity as 'Man steals from charity'. So we've all focused on the bad (Mourinho) rather than the good (Messi).
What next for Mourinho? Inevitably, there will be speculation about him coming back to the Premier League. He has had a fantastic career; he does things his way; he is supportive of his players and he is newsworthy, so obviously he will be attractive to some people.

When you think where he started in football, it is commendable what he has done. You don't find many players saying anything but admiring things about him, so he must be a good guy even if you don't agree with what he says.
The politics of Real Madrid are well known and if they don't let him manage his way, they risk losing him. But I think he will want to stay at least another year to try to get his revenge on Barcelona.
In the meantime, this most divisive of characters will have to accept that many people will be enjoying his pain in defeat.

Accusing Barcelona, who are held up by everyone as great examples of how to play football, of not being 'clean' champions was an insult too far.

Kenny Dalglish

Fantasticno napisano. Cijela evropa pise ovako.

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PREMA pisanju engleskog portala People portugalski trener Jose Mourinho mogao bi uskoro dobiti otkaz na klupi kraljevskog kluba.

Spominje se kako čelnici madridskog kluba posebno zamjeraju Portugalcu sramotno ponašanje nakon prve polufinalne utakmice Lige prvaka, zbog čega klub sa Santiago Bernabeua očekuje kazna Uefe.

Sigurno da Mourinhu nije pomogao ni posljednji rezultatski posrtaj u domaćem prvenstvu. Mourinho je ovoga vikenda doživio drugi uzastopni domaći poraz i treći u samo mjesec dana. Bolja je na Bernabeu bila Zaragoza sa 3:2.

People piše kako će Uprava Reala razmatrati otkazivanje ugovora Mourinhu, ukoliko ovaj ne napravi čudo na Nou Campu i plasira se u finale Lige prvaka. Takav rasplet je ipak nezamisliv i sigurno da trener Reala proživljava najteže dane svoje karijere.

Iako je Mourinho ove sezone osvojio Kup kralja i nakon sedam godina Real odveo u polufinale Lige prvaka, u Madridu su nezadovoljni cjelokupnim vodstvom portugalskog menadžera. Barcelona je daleko ispred u prvenstvu, a u Ligi prvaka su se Madriđani osramotili na Santiago Bernabeu.

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PREMA pisanju engleskog portala People portugalski trener Jose Mourinho mogao bi uskoro dobiti otkaz na klupi kraljevskog kluba.

Spominje se kako čelnici madridskog kluba posebno zamjeraju Portugalcu sramotno ponašanje nakon prve polufinalne utakmice Lige prvaka, zbog čega klub sa Santiago Bernabeua očekuje kazna Uefe.

Sigurno da Mourinhu nije pomogao ni posljednji rezultatski posrtaj u domaćem prvenstvu. Mourinho je ovoga vikenda doživio drugi uzastopni domaći poraz i treći u samo mjesec dana. Bolja je na Bernabeu bila Zaragoza sa 3:2.

People piše kako će Uprava Reala razmatrati otkazivanje ugovora Mourinhu, ukoliko ovaj ne napravi čudo na Nou Campu i plasira se u finale Lige prvaka. Takav rasplet je ipak nezamisliv i sigurno da trener Reala proživljava najteže dane svoje karijere.

Iako je Mourinho ove sezone osvojio Kup kralja i nakon sedam godina Real odveo u polufinale Lige prvaka, u Madridu su nezadovoljni cjelokupnim vodstvom portugalskog menadžera. Barcelona je daleko ispred u prvenstvu, a u Ligi prvaka su se Madriđani osramotili na Santiago Bernabeu.

Jos je rano za bilo kakve spekulacije tog tipa. Real je ove godine napravio rezultatski pomak naprijed. Mourinho je voljen od strane velike vecine navijaca Reala. Na kraju krajeva , ovo je prva sezona i njegov preojekt tek pocinje. Ne vjerujem da ce ga F.Perez otpustiti. Jedino ako Mourinho odluci da ode. Samo u slucaju kataklizme u utorak ( sto je gotovo nemoguce kada se pogleda u kakvom je stanju Barca, praznog rezervoara, vozi na rezervi) moze se nesto promjeniti. A zbog cega da ga tjeraju? Mozda jedino liga, gdje je procerdano 17 bodova protiv timova kao sto su Levante , Osasuna, Almeria, Mallorca ,Zaragoza................. Osvojio je kup a u LS je dosao do polufinala za sada. Sest godina Real nije bio tu gdje je sad. Mozda samo to zbog postavke igre protiv Brcelone u ove tri utakmice do sada odigrane. Ali navijaci Reala su i to podrzali jer im je jasno da je bio jedini nacin da se igra ravnopravno sa Barcom. E sad je pitanje sta dogonine? Real Madrid je toliko veliki da se ne poredi sa drugim timovima vec sa samim sobom. Navijac Reala moze progutati poraze, petarde i susne sezone. Medjutim ono sto nikad nece moci svariti je da se osjeca inferiornim. Ove godine je mudro portupio podrzavajuci Portugalca. Sljedece? Ne vjerujem da bi mu opet oprostili postavku igre kao u ova tri meca protiv Bacelone.

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PREMA pisanju engleskog portala People portugalski trener Jose Mourinho mogao bi uskoro dobiti otkaz na klupi kraljevskog kluba.

Spominje se kako čelnici madridskog kluba posebno zamjeraju Portugalcu sramotno ponašanje nakon prve polufinalne utakmice Lige prvaka, zbog čega klub sa Santiago Bernabeua očekuje kazna Uefe.

Sigurno da Mourinhu nije pomogao ni posljednji rezultatski posrtaj u domaćem prvenstvu. Mourinho je ovoga vikenda doživio drugi uzastopni domaći poraz i treći u samo mjesec dana. Bolja je na Bernabeu bila Zaragoza sa 3:2.

People piše kako će Uprava Reala razmatrati otkazivanje ugovora Mourinhu, ukoliko ovaj ne napravi čudo na Nou Campu i plasira se u finale Lige prvaka. Takav rasplet je ipak nezamisliv i sigurno da trener Reala proživljava najteže dane svoje karijere.

Iako je Mourinho ove sezone osvojio Kup kralja i nakon sedam godina Real odveo u polufinale Lige prvaka, u Madridu su nezadovoljni cjelokupnim vodstvom portugalskog menadžera. Barcelona je daleko ispred u prvenstvu, a u Ligi prvaka su se Madriđani osramotili na Santiago Bernabeu.

Kakva su ovo piskaranja i gluposti. Real je na svojoj stranici oficijelno podrzao sve što je Murinho rekao.

[skafiskafsnjak]

http://source.ba/clanak/844376052829/sp ... %E2%80%9C-

Jao dokle ljudi idu ...

[tzipiripi]

Mu misha i kishu za prvi maj. Ali haj', neka pada, kazu potrebna kao zlato, i vishe.
Rijec pravog stucnjaka, rijec koja ima tezinu. Strucnjak koji zna znanje a ima i fini kucni odgoj, ukratko pravi gentleman. Za razliku od onoga o kome je rijec u ovom razgovoru.

EXCLUSIVE: Hiddink tells Mourinho to apologise for Barcelona attack

Guus Hiddink has told Jose Mourinho he should issue an unreserved apology to world football.

The clash of the two former Chelsea managers has been sparked by ­Mourinho’s reaction to his Real Madrid team’s defeat to Barcelona in the ­Champions League last week.

Mourinho’s allegation of a ­pro-Barcelona conspiracy from UEFA, which included Chelsea matches when Hiddink was coach, has outraged the Dutchman.

Hiddink said: “Mourinho has gone too far.

“With all his critical remarks he wants to divert the attention from the way he made his team played.

“Before I knew it, he (Mourinho) got me involved. Jose compared the Real - Barca game with the Chelsea – Barca semi-final in 2009 when I was manager at Stamford Bridge. We missed out on the final, too.

“But the big difference is that we did not moan about conspiracies.

“I don’t agree with Mourinho at all on this. It is right that Chelsea was badly disadvantaged then, especially with the hand ball penalty we were denied in ­injury time. That was a clear mistake from the referee.

“A couple of days later, when all the emotions had gone, we realised we had been robbed of a Champions League Final. But never, ever, did anybody at Chelsea claim there was a conspiracy.

“You just don’t say things like that. The thought would not even enter my mind.

“But Mourinho does, so he goes too far. I think when he looks back at the video, he should make his apologies. If he does not do that, he is deliberately trying to change the truth for his own sake.’’

Turning to the performance of the ­German referee last week and the red card meted out to Real midfielder Pepe, Hiddink went on: “I have known ­Wolfgang Stark as a man with a very direct ­approach, who was fully in his rights to send Pepe off.

“If Dani Alves had had his leg on the grass, that leg would now have been ­broken.

“In the first half of the semi-final it was clear that Barcelona was the Spanish bull fighter who was holding up the red cape in front of Real Madrid.

“The only problem was that the bull did not want to play and remained really ­passive. In Spain that is a reason for the crowd at the Plaza de Toros to wave their white hankies. To me it was amazing that the Madrid crowd actually accepted the passive style of their team!

“That proved that for the clash between Madrid and Catalonia there are now different rules.

“It was fantastic how Barcelona ­handled the situation.

“At one point in the match the entire Barca team just stood still in their own half, because 11 Madrid players were just defending in their own half. They did not want to play football.

“It was obvious this was Mourinho’s choice to play the game like this. Tough. Barcelona did not fall for the trap.”

According to Hiddink, a former Real Madrid boss now coaching the Turkey team, Mourinho was the architect of his own downfall.

He said: “A couple of days earlier, Real Madrid proved that they can be so strong when they play good, attacking football.

“They blew Valencia away with 6-3 in a game with nine different players, a couple of days before the semi final!

“They changed their approach because they were told to by their coach.”

Read more: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Re ... z1L7chcpQp

Hoce shipak! Taj se nikad nikom nije, niti hoce izviniti. A i kako bi kad je vazda u pravu i kad nikad utakmicu nije izgubio zato sto je druga ekipa bolja. A kamoli da mu je drugi trener shukno, i to na njegovom terenu takticke "genijalnosti".

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Salvation in beautiful truth

The great American literary critic Lionel Trilling once wrote that "we shall all do better, meet with kindlier judgements, if Tolstoy rather than Dostoevsky is right about the world." If you've read the two lads you'll know what he meant.

If you haven't I suppose the best way to boil it down is to say that Tolstoy had some faith in human nature and Dostoevsky had very little. My apologies for this unforgivably reductive summation of two of the greatest writers in history but I do have a column to write.

That Trilling quote popped into my mind after watching the Barcelona-Real Madrid game last Wednesday night. Because football will do better and meet with kindlier judgements, if Lionel Messi rather than Jose Mourinho is right about the game. In how they think football should be played, what should be expected from it and what the game means, Barca's star player and Real's manager, if I may continue the 19th century novel theme, are as starkly opposed as kindly Dr Henry Jekyll and his hideous alter ego Edward Hyde.

Mourinho's vision of football is unremittingly grim and almost completely cynical. In his eyes there is no petty advantage too small not to be zealously sought for, no trick too mean to be ruled out, no joy to be had out of the game apart from a winning result. His monomaniacal pragmatism makes him the footballing equivalent of Dickens's obsessively utilitarian schoolteacher Thomas Gradgrind in Hard Times. He is Don Revie with a foreign accent.

The nattering nabob of negativity showed his true colours as far back as January 2005 when he accused Alex Ferguson of influencing referee Neale Barry at half-time in a Carling Cup semi-final between Chelsea and Manchester United. "In the second half it was whistle and whistle, fault and fault, cheat and cheat." A month later he lied that Frank Rijkaard, then Barcelona's assistant manager, had been seen coming out of referee Anders Frisk's dressing room at half-time during a Champions League tie between Chelsea and Barcelona at the Nou Camp. The following year he was accusing Stephen Hunt of deliberately injuring Peter Cech. The year after that he claimed "it is not possible for penalties to be awarded against Manchester United and it is not possible for penalties to be awarded to Chelsea," while berating Cristiano Ronaldo as a liar. And he has continued on in this vein.

Alex Ferguson is also prone to the odd verbal outburst but the big difference between the men is that Ferguson's sides always play attractive football while Mourinho has produced one highly effective but stupendously dull outfit after another. There was something utterly predictable and infinitely depressing about his attempts to get a rise out of Josep Guardiola in the run-up to the semi-final. He succeeded to the extent of provoking the normally gentlemanly Barcelona boss into losing his cool at a pre-match press conference, something hailed as a psychological masterstroke by gullible hacks.

On the field, however, the poverty of Mourinho's approach has never been as cruelly exposed as it was on Wednesday. Playing at home in a Champions League semi-final, Real started without a single out-and-out front man on the pitch and three world-class strikers, Karim Benzema, Gonzalo Higuain and Emanuel Adebayor, on the bench. From the get-go their performance was steeped in fear as they retreated en masse and allowed Barcelona to monopolise possession.

At one juncture in the first period we were treated to the bizarre sight of the visitors knocking the ball around unopposed just inside their own half while Madrid stayed deep as though employing a footballing version of the old Muhammad Ali rope-a-dope tactics. It was something you'd never have expected to see in the Bernabeu.

Had Barcelona also been happy to play for a draw we'd have ended up with something like the infamous West Germany-Austria tie from the 1982 World Cup. Mourinho's team gave the kind of display you'd have expected from, say, Stoke City at Old Trafford or the Sam Allardyce model Bolton Wanderers at the Emirates.

There was something grotesque about seeing this anti-football being perpetrated under the flag of Real Madrid, the greatest club in the world, the most successful side in the history of European football, the club of Di Stefano, Gento and Galacticos, a club whose teams have always endeavoured to play with a certain style. Just last year Real chased Barcelona all the way in an enthralling Primera Liga title race before losing by three points, scoring 102 goals in 38 games, and playing terrific football under Manuel Pellegrini.

The expectation was that Mourinho would work the oracle, as he had when steering Inter Milan to last year's extraordinary Champions League victory. And there was also a feeling that the quality of players available to him at Real might see the birth of a new Mourinho. Perhaps the dour football at Chelsea and Inter resulted from the type of players the manager had available to him.

Sadly, things haven't turned out that way. What Wednesday's match showed is that for Mourinho negativity has attained the status of a cherished principle. Seeing the miserable set of the man, after he'd been sent from the dugout for protesting against Pepe's sending off, you were reminded of mugshots of Hollywood stars booked on drink driving charges. His desolation was total. Because if you live by the creed that nothing matters but the result, then defeat leaves with you nothing at all to hold on to.

It was fitting that Wednesday's coup de grace was provided by Messi. On a nasty night, he reminded all of us why we still give allegiance to this often frustrating game. Because the little Argentinian's run right through the heart of the Real Madrid defence embodied the spirit of football at its best. There is probably no other player on the planet who'd have been able to score that goal. It had nothing to do with tactics or planning.

Messi simply took a short pass from one of his team-mates and set off on his own. In fact, none of the other Barcelona players even bothered to support him. They just sat back as though clearing the stage for a great performer to do his solo.

A player like Messi makes nonsense of all the guff about psychological warfare and systems that gets talked about in the run-up to big matches. It was impossible to defend against his run for the second goal; this was the greatest footballer in the world proving yet again the old adage that talent does what it can, but genius does what it must.

And yet there was also something oddly familiar about Messi's slalom towards goal. Look at it again and you see that it's the kind of run most of us did as kids, dribbling the ball in the back yard, the front garden or the top field, commentating under our breaths, "he beats one man, beats two, beats three, beats the 'keeper, goal." Messi's masterpiece was this run raised to the Nth degree but it is still a recognisable cousin, a remarkable reminder that sport at its best remains rooted in play.

We need to be reminded of that. Because there is enough grim stuff in the news, about economic crises, terrorist attacks and natural disasters, without making a grim thing out of sport as well. The likes of Mourinho make football seem like just one more corporate takeover bid. Messi reminds us that, for all the money involved, we're still talking about a kids' game. And football is at its best when it connects us with that more innocent part of ourselves.

When the proceedings got particularly spiteful on Wednesday, Ray Houghton bemoaned on RTE the example that this was setting for the football-loving kids of the world. Yet, in the end, what those kids will remember is Messi's goal. Kids are like that, they look on the positive side.

On Thursday morning, I played the goal for my nine-year-old daughter on YouTube. It just felt like something she should see, like a heron in flight, a spectacular sunset or The Wizard of Oz. We watched it again and again and again, this small still moment of beauty carved out single-handedly by a man who is enough on his own to justify the entire enterprise of professional football. We live for moments like that.

There are myriad moments from Messi which you'd like to pass on to the next generation. But Mourinho? Well, try sitting your kids down in front of one of his whingeing, bitching press conferences, and explain that this is all about 'subtle mind games' and see how long they'll stay interested.

Because in the words of John Keats, "Beauty is truth, truth beauty -- that is all/Ye know on Earth and all ye need to know." And Messi is always on the side of beauty.

It's the only side to be on.

Eamonn Sweeney

[ultima_palabra]

Eki De Bleckere... pa komotno mogu i da ne dođu Ovo je već namjeran prst u oko Mourinhu i Real Madridu...

[skenderija04]

Za Real ne znam. Mourinhu sigurno. Navodmo je bio je delegiran Pedro Proenca . Za sutra je pomjeren sastanak disciplinske komisije UEFA-e. Trebao se odrzati u petak. Spekulise se sa kaznom od pola godine za Mourinha.

[Charuga]

Real Madrid je podnio žalbu UEFA-i za nesportsko ponašanje sedmorice igrača Barcelone (Pedro, Piqué, Messi, Alves, Busquets, Pinto i Mascherano) zbog nesportskog ponašanja. UEFA će sutra se izjasniti o ovom slučaju.

Kako izvještava RAC1, u Madridu zahtjevaju po dvije utakmice suspenzije za Alvesa, Busquetsa i Pedra, dok za Valdesa, Mascherana i Keitu zahtjevaju po jednu!

[skenderija04]

Real Madrid je podnio žalbu UEFA-i za nesportsko ponašanje sedmorice igrača Barcelone (Pedro, Piqué, Messi, Alves, Busquets, Pinto i Mascherano) zbog nesportskog ponašanja. UEFA će sutra se izjasniti o ovom slučaju.

Kako izvještava RAC1, u Madridu zahtjevaju po dvije utakmice suspenzije za Alvesa, Busquetsa i Pedra, dok za Valdesa, Mascherana i Keitu zahtjevaju po jednu!

Cuo sam za to. Sutra je bitan dan, u 13 sati saopstice odluku. U Manchesteru zadovoljno trljaju ruke

[Jack Be Nimble]

Real Madrid je podnio žalbu UEFA-i za nesportsko ponašanje sedmorice igrača Barcelone (Pedro, Piqué, Messi, Alves, Busquets, Pinto i Mascherano) zbog nesportskog ponašanja. UEFA će sutra se izjasniti o ovom slučaju.

Kako izvještava RAC1, u Madridu zahtjevaju po dvije utakmice suspenzije za Alvesa, Busquetsa i Pedra, dok za Valdesa, Mascherana i Keitu zahtjevaju po jednu!

Ja bi izbacio oba kluba, shaktar i tottenham neka na brzinu odigraju dvije utakmice da se odluci ko ce ici protiv Manchester/Schalke.

[skenderija04]

Pocelo je da se kuha!!!!!!!!!! Naime iz Madrida stizu objasnjenja Mourinhove konferencije za stampu nakon prvog susreta polufinala lige smpiona. Da se prisjetimo, Mourinho je optuzio nekoliko sudija i Uefu da guraju Barselonu. Rekao je da je to "mozda" zato sto nose reklamu UNICEF na dresu. Izgleda da Mourinho nema nista protiv UNICEF-a ali spominjanje organizacije je indirektna prozivka. Prozvao je covjeka po imenu

SENES ERZIK

O ovom gospodinu iz Istambula pise sljedece u prezentaciji na stranici UEFE:

Nationality: Turkish
Date of Birth: 18 September 1942
Executive Committee member since: 1990
Current UEFA roles
Executive Committee (vice-president)
FIFA Executive Committee (member)
Club Licensing Committee (chairman)
Fair Play and Social Responsibility Committee (chairman)
Referees Committee (deputy chairman)
Professional Football Strategy Council (EXCO representative)
• A banker, a UNICEF project manager and a businessman at various stages in his career, Şenes Erzik studied Business and Economics at Bosphorus University and was appointed to the board of the Turkish Football Association (TFF) for the first time in 1977…...

vise o njemu na linku:
http://en.uefa.com/uefa/aboutuefa/organ ... index.html

Da li je gospodin Erzik "pocastio" R.Madrid i Mourinha nominacijom De Bleeckerea jednog sa Mouove crne liste?

Mozda Ultima Palabra ima pravo?

[tzipiripi]

Eki De Bleckere... pa komotno mogu i da ne dođu Ovo je već namjeran prst u oko Mourinhu i Real Madridu...

Ne moraju ni ovako. Shuchu Smourinhu, ne Real Madridu (skontace to Perez jer nije glump), redom svi! I to ne samo prst u oko.
Od Messia, Pepa, Gussa Hiddinka... i sad, kako kolega forumas tvrdi, ako je to tacno, Senes Erzik.
Jado si umislio da moze promijeniti fudbalska pravila, da se sudi po onome kako je on zamislio kakav fudbal danas treba da se igra. Na sta to treba da lici vidi se i na ovom klipu. Poshalje mesara, s namjerom, da osakati momcica od cijelih 19 godina. Naravno da za ovaj start ovaj debil nije dobio ni zuti, sto je po Smourinhovim kriterijima sasvim ispravna odluka. Poslije, kada sudija skonta namjeru i spichi crveni, Smourinho pizdi i do dan danas o UN, UNICEFU, iluminatima, masonima i inim svjetskim zavjerama protiv njega tako milog i neshvacenog.
Neshto kontam, da bi covjek postao osoba poput Smourinha mora postojat' neki razlog iz djetinstva, neka zeshca trauma.



Kada mu Perez sprchi josh nogu, jedini izbor za posao ce mu ostat' GNK Dinamo i jaran mu po laprdanju Mamic. Onda bi moga'o rahat drecat do mile volje "Mucko djubre... danas te proklinjem...! Itd. itd..."

[tzipiripi]

Real Madrid je podnio žalbu UEFA-i za nesportsko ponašanje sedmorice igrača Barcelone (Pedro, Piqué, Messi, Alves, Busquets, Pinto i Mascherano) zbog nesportskog ponašanja. UEFA će sutra se izjasniti o ovom slučaju.

Kako izvještava RAC1, u Madridu zahtjevaju po dvije utakmice suspenzije za Alvesa, Busquetsa i Pedra, dok za Valdesa, Mascherana i Keitu zahtjevaju po jednu!

Treba i Barca podnijet zalbu zbog ocigledne namjere (isplanirane unaprijed) nekih igraca RM da povrijede protivnika.
Pedro bi, protiv Marcela trebao i gradsku parnicu pokrenuti.

Josh jedan od omiljenih Smouovih tipova igraca. Muski, ne ko beba, djonom u lice, na covjeka koji lezi, s namjerom da ga unakazi. A s njim zajedno do jucer igrao i hljeb zaradjivao.