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#1351 Re: TOYOTA all about
Pošto ne ovisimo više od milosti mehaničara
Definitivno bi od DPF i EGR pošao
Hitting **14–15 L/100 km** on a 2.2 D-CAT (likely the 2AD-FHV or 2AD-FTV engine) is nearly double the expected average, which usually sits around 7–9 L/100 km. This specific engine family has a few unique "Achilles' heels" that can cause such a massive spike in fuel consumption.
Here are the most likely reasons for that low mileage:
### 1. The "5th Injector" & Constant Regeneration
The D-CAT system uses a **5th injector** (exhaust port injector) to spray fuel directly into the exhaust to heat up the DPF/DPNR for regeneration.
* **The Issue:** If your DPF is partially blocked or the differential pressure sensor is sending faulty readings, the ECU may get stuck in a "continuous regeneration" loop.
* **Result:** The 5th injector stays active, dumping massive amounts of fuel into the exhaust, which ruins your mileage without necessarily showing a "DPF Full" light immediately.
### 2. Clogged EGR Valve and Intake Manifold
These engines are notorious for heavy carbon buildup.
* **The Issue:** A stuck-open EGR valve or a heavily restricted intake manifold (choked with soot) forces the engine to work harder to breathe.
* **Result:** The air-fuel ratio becomes inefficient, leading to poor combustion and significantly higher fuel consumption. It often manifests as sluggish low-end torque.
### 3. Stuck or Leaking Fuel Injectors
The piezo injectors in the D-CAT are high-precision but sensitive.
* **The Issue:** If one or more injectors have a poor spray pattern or are "leaking" (staying open slightly), the ECU will try to compensate.
* **Diagnostic Tip:** Check the **injector balance rates** using a diagnostic tool. If they are outside the range of \pm3.0 \text{ mm}^3/\text{stroke}, the injectors are likely the culprit.
### 4. SCV (Suction Control Valve) Failure
The SCV on the high-pressure fuel pump regulates fuel flow.
* **The Issue:** A worn SCV can cause erratic fuel pressure. While this usually causes hunting at idle or stalling, it can also lead to an over-rich condition as the pump struggles to maintain the requested pressure.
### 5. Binding Brakes or Drivetrain Drag
While less "engine-specific," it’s a common overlooked cause.
* **The Issue:** Given these are often found in heavier vehicles like the Avensis or RAV4, a sticking brake caliper or a failing wheel bearing can add enough resistance to spike consumption.
* **Test:** After a drive, feel the wheels (carefully); if one is significantly hotter than the others, you have a binding brake.
### Recommended Next Steps:
1. **Check Live Data:** Use a scanner to look at **DPF Soot Load** and **Differential Pressure**. If the soot load is high or the pressure is high at idle, your car is likely burning fuel trying to clean a dead filter.
2. **Inspect the EGR:** Remove and clean the EGR valve. If it’s caked in "gunk," the intake ports likely are too.
3. **Check for "White Smoke":** Excessive white/grey smoke during warm-up or under load is a classic sign of the 5th injector over-fueling or a failing DPF system.
Are you getting any specific error codes like **P2002** (DPF Efficiency) or **P0400** (EGR Flow)?
Definitivno bi od DPF i EGR pošao
Hitting **14–15 L/100 km** on a 2.2 D-CAT (likely the 2AD-FHV or 2AD-FTV engine) is nearly double the expected average, which usually sits around 7–9 L/100 km. This specific engine family has a few unique "Achilles' heels" that can cause such a massive spike in fuel consumption.
Here are the most likely reasons for that low mileage:
### 1. The "5th Injector" & Constant Regeneration
The D-CAT system uses a **5th injector** (exhaust port injector) to spray fuel directly into the exhaust to heat up the DPF/DPNR for regeneration.
* **The Issue:** If your DPF is partially blocked or the differential pressure sensor is sending faulty readings, the ECU may get stuck in a "continuous regeneration" loop.
* **Result:** The 5th injector stays active, dumping massive amounts of fuel into the exhaust, which ruins your mileage without necessarily showing a "DPF Full" light immediately.
### 2. Clogged EGR Valve and Intake Manifold
These engines are notorious for heavy carbon buildup.
* **The Issue:** A stuck-open EGR valve or a heavily restricted intake manifold (choked with soot) forces the engine to work harder to breathe.
* **Result:** The air-fuel ratio becomes inefficient, leading to poor combustion and significantly higher fuel consumption. It often manifests as sluggish low-end torque.
### 3. Stuck or Leaking Fuel Injectors
The piezo injectors in the D-CAT are high-precision but sensitive.
* **The Issue:** If one or more injectors have a poor spray pattern or are "leaking" (staying open slightly), the ECU will try to compensate.
* **Diagnostic Tip:** Check the **injector balance rates** using a diagnostic tool. If they are outside the range of \pm3.0 \text{ mm}^3/\text{stroke}, the injectors are likely the culprit.
### 4. SCV (Suction Control Valve) Failure
The SCV on the high-pressure fuel pump regulates fuel flow.
* **The Issue:** A worn SCV can cause erratic fuel pressure. While this usually causes hunting at idle or stalling, it can also lead to an over-rich condition as the pump struggles to maintain the requested pressure.
### 5. Binding Brakes or Drivetrain Drag
While less "engine-specific," it’s a common overlooked cause.
* **The Issue:** Given these are often found in heavier vehicles like the Avensis or RAV4, a sticking brake caliper or a failing wheel bearing can add enough resistance to spike consumption.
* **Test:** After a drive, feel the wheels (carefully); if one is significantly hotter than the others, you have a binding brake.
### Recommended Next Steps:
1. **Check Live Data:** Use a scanner to look at **DPF Soot Load** and **Differential Pressure**. If the soot load is high or the pressure is high at idle, your car is likely burning fuel trying to clean a dead filter.
2. **Inspect the EGR:** Remove and clean the EGR valve. If it’s caked in "gunk," the intake ports likely are too.
3. **Check for "White Smoke":** Excessive white/grey smoke during warm-up or under load is a classic sign of the 5th injector over-fueling or a failing DPF system.
Are you getting any specific error codes like **P2002** (DPF Efficiency) or **P0400** (EGR Flow)?
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#1352 Re: TOYOTA all about
Pune ceste rav-a i opcenito Toyote sa 2.2 dizel masinom.
Kad ovdje ispade da je taj motor karina, haman ko onaj mazdin nesretni 2.2.
Ja sam cuo da je taj slabiji 2.2 dobar, a da je 2.2 DCat problematican i da je njega potrebno izbjegavati?
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#1353 Re: TOYOTA all about
Moj kolega ima 2.0 d4d rav 4 2006 godiste, motor vrh svih ovih godina. Kolega drugi avensis 2.2 d4d, 4 dizne nove na 100 kk zamjenjene prvi vlasnik, turbina...
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#1354 Re: TOYOTA all about
Neko je ovdje pisao jednom koje verzije motora su dobre, tj koje valjaju.
Ispada bmw motor najbolji dio Toyote.
Ispada bmw motor najbolji dio Toyote.
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#1355 Re: TOYOTA all about
Da...zato napisah "FAP" na prethodnoj strani.beco wrote: ↑08/05/2026 16:38 Pošto ne ovisimo više od milosti mehaničara
Definitivno bi od DPF i EGR pošao
Hitting **14–15 L/100 km** on a 2.2 D-CAT (likely the 2AD-FHV or 2AD-FTV engine) is nearly double the expected average, which usually sits around 7–9 L/100 km. This specific engine family has a few unique "Achilles' heels" that can cause such a massive spike in fuel consumption.
Here are the most likely reasons for that low mileage:
### 1. The "5th Injector" & Constant Regeneration
The D-CAT system uses a **5th injector** (exhaust port injector) to spray fuel directly into the exhaust to heat up the DPF/DPNR for regeneration.
* **The Issue:** If your DPF is partially blocked or the differential pressure sensor is sending faulty readings, the ECU may get stuck in a "continuous regeneration" loop.
* **Result:** The 5th injector stays active, dumping massive amounts of fuel into the exhaust, which ruins your mileage without necessarily showing a "DPF Full" light immediately.
### 2. Clogged EGR Valve and Intake Manifold
These engines are notorious for heavy carbon buildup.
* **The Issue:** A stuck-open EGR valve or a heavily restricted intake manifold (choked with soot) forces the engine to work harder to breathe.
* **Result:** The air-fuel ratio becomes inefficient, leading to poor combustion and significantly higher fuel consumption. It often manifests as sluggish low-end torque.
### 3. Stuck or Leaking Fuel Injectors
The piezo injectors in the D-CAT are high-precision but sensitive.
* **The Issue:** If one or more injectors have a poor spray pattern or are "leaking" (staying open slightly), the ECU will try to compensate.
* **Diagnostic Tip:** Check the **injector balance rates** using a diagnostic tool. If they are outside the range of \pm3.0 \text{ mm}^3/\text{stroke}, the injectors are likely the culprit.
### 4. SCV (Suction Control Valve) Failure
The SCV on the high-pressure fuel pump regulates fuel flow.
* **The Issue:** A worn SCV can cause erratic fuel pressure. While this usually causes hunting at idle or stalling, it can also lead to an over-rich condition as the pump struggles to maintain the requested pressure.
### 5. Binding Brakes or Drivetrain Drag
While less "engine-specific," it’s a common overlooked cause.
* **The Issue:** Given these are often found in heavier vehicles like the Avensis or RAV4, a sticking brake caliper or a failing wheel bearing can add enough resistance to spike consumption.
* **Test:** After a drive, feel the wheels (carefully); if one is significantly hotter than the others, you have a binding brake.
### Recommended Next Steps:
1. **Check Live Data:** Use a scanner to look at **DPF Soot Load** and **Differential Pressure**. If the soot load is high or the pressure is high at idle, your car is likely burning fuel trying to clean a dead filter.
2. **Inspect the EGR:** Remove and clean the EGR valve. If it’s caked in "gunk," the intake ports likely are too.
3. **Check for "White Smoke":** Excessive white/grey smoke during warm-up or under load is a classic sign of the 5th injector over-fueling or a failing DPF system.
Are you getting any specific error codes like **P2002** (DPF Efficiency) or **P0400** (EGR Flow)?
Kod tih motora, i dizela generalno, a sve cesce i kod benzinaca, ako imaju previse gradske voznje, pogotovo kratkih relacija u kojima se FAP/DPF ne uspijeva dovoljno zagrijati i odraditi regeneracijaki ciklus (najcesce se desava svakih 20-25 voznji), tada dolazi do zacepljenja, i navedenog niza mogucih gresaka, ali ECU ih najcesce ne detektuje kao greske, nego jednostavno samo dodaje vise goriva da bi odrzao normalan rad motora.
Imao sam priliku u servisu vidjeti upravo taj RAV s tim motorom, DPF mu bukvalno sagorio jer se desavalo navedeno. Auto mjesecima nije prelazio 2000 obrtaja i 50-60 kmh, sve gradska voznja, rijetko cak i u cetvrtu saltao. I sve se u motoru zagusilo, a DPF izgorio k'o sibica.
A sto se toyotinih motora tice, generalno, tesko da im u pouzdanosti i dugotrajnosti moze iko parirati, pogotovo ovih malo robusnijih.
Jedino su tamo nekad 2012-13 imali ozbiljniji problem s dizelom 2.0 u Avensisima. Nesto s pritiskom bilo, i jednostavno motor "propisa" ulje na sve strane. To su odmah mijenjali cijeli motor nisu nista ni pokusavali.popraviti.
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#1356 Re: TOYOTA all about
Ma meni je najsmjesniji dio kod rav 4 trece generacije pre face lift, koliko to auto korozira..
Kolegi je otpao tocak zbog iste, rezervoar, pragove 2 puta radio, auto bas retardirano po pitanju zastite.
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#1357 Re: TOYOTA all about
Imenica koroZija, glagol koroDirati. 
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#1358 Re: TOYOTA all about
ubijakonektovan wrote: ↑07/05/2026 15:45 Novi rav 4 je brutalan. Jucer neka teta parkira ispred zgrade, tamno siva sa crnim krovom i crnim felgama, predobro izgleda. Mislim da je i Jure Sebalj identicnu testirao nedavno.
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#1359 Re: TOYOTA all about
Jedino jos to onda pogledati, ali nema nikakvih gresaka na dijagnostici i lampica koje bi ukazale na dpf… Cudno mi daDozer wrote: ↑08/05/2026 22:34
Da...zato napisah "FAP" na prethodnoj strani.
Kod tih motora, i dizela generalno, a sve cesce i kod benzinaca, ako imaju previse gradske voznje, pogotovo kratkih relacija u kojima se FAP/DPF ne uspijeva dovoljno zagrijati i odraditi regeneracijaki ciklus (najcesce se desava svakih 20-25 voznji), tada dolazi do zacepljenja, i navedenog niza mogucih gresaka, ali ECU ih najcesce ne detektuje kao greske, nego jednostavno samo dodaje vise goriva da bi odrzao normalan rad motora.
Imao sam priliku u servisu vidjeti upravo taj RAV s tim motorom, DPF mu bukvalno sagorio jer se desavalo navedeno. Auto mjesecima nije prelazio 2000 obrtaja i 50-60 kmh, sve gradska voznja, rijetko cak i u cetvrtu saltao. I sve se u motoru zagusilo, a DPF izgorio k'o sibica.
A sto se toyotinih motora tice, generalno, tesko da im u pouzdanosti i dugotrajnosti moze iko parirati, pogotovo ovih malo robusnijih.
Jedino su tamo nekad 2012-13 imali ozbiljniji problem s dizelom 2.0 u Avensisima. Nesto s pritiskom bilo, i jednostavno motor "propisa" ulje na sve strane. To su odmah mijenjali cijeli motor nisu nista ni pokusavali.popraviti.
su tako napravili da se dpf prakticno raspadne a ne signalizira nikakvom greskom, jer sva auta sa dpf obicno imaju senzore ispred i iza dpf-a pa na svako odstupanje ide lampica…
Ali auto se upravo vozi u tom sporom rezimu, rijetko da vidi otvorenu cestu a posebno neka gasanja.
Dizne nove, EGR sam licno skinuo, rastavio i sve komplet ocistio, turbina 100% zdrava, tako da je to eliminisano…
I da, ovo je D-CAT, nije D4D
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#1360 Re: TOYOTA all about
frizideriHouse wrote: ↑09/05/2026 02:47ubijakonektovan wrote: ↑07/05/2026 15:45 Novi rav 4 je brutalan. Jucer neka teta parkira ispred zgrade, tamno siva sa crnim krovom i crnim felgama, predobro izgleda. Mislim da je i Jure Sebalj identicnu testirao nedavno.
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#1361 Re: TOYOTA all about
Svejedno. DPF je tu problem 99%esso_sa wrote: ↑09/05/2026 09:16Jedino jos to onda pogledati, ali nema nikakvih gresaka na dijagnostici i lampica koje bi ukazale na dpf… Cudno mi daDozer wrote: ↑08/05/2026 22:34
Da...zato napisah "FAP" na prethodnoj strani.
Kod tih motora, i dizela generalno, a sve cesce i kod benzinaca, ako imaju previse gradske voznje, pogotovo kratkih relacija u kojima se FAP/DPF ne uspijeva dovoljno zagrijati i odraditi regeneracijaki ciklus (najcesce se desava svakih 20-25 voznji), tada dolazi do zacepljenja, i navedenog niza mogucih gresaka, ali ECU ih najcesce ne detektuje kao greske, nego jednostavno samo dodaje vise goriva da bi odrzao normalan rad motora.
Imao sam priliku u servisu vidjeti upravo taj RAV s tim motorom, DPF mu bukvalno sagorio jer se desavalo navedeno. Auto mjesecima nije prelazio 2000 obrtaja i 50-60 kmh, sve gradska voznja, rijetko cak i u cetvrtu saltao. I sve se u motoru zagusilo, a DPF izgorio k'o sibica.
A sto se toyotinih motora tice, generalno, tesko da im u pouzdanosti i dugotrajnosti moze iko parirati, pogotovo ovih malo robusnijih.
Jedino su tamo nekad 2012-13 imali ozbiljniji problem s dizelom 2.0 u Avensisima. Nesto s pritiskom bilo, i jednostavno motor "propisa" ulje na sve strane. To su odmah mijenjali cijeli motor nisu nista ni pokusavali.popraviti.
su tako napravili da se dpf prakticno raspadne a ne signalizira nikakvom greskom, jer sva auta sa dpf obicno imaju senzore ispred i iza dpf-a pa na svako odstupanje ide lampica…
Ali auto se upravo vozi u tom sporom rezimu, rijetko da vidi otvorenu cestu a posebno neka gasanja.
Dizne nove, EGR sam licno skinuo, rastavio i sve komplet ocistio, turbina 100% zdrava, tako da je to eliminisano…
I da, ovo je D-CAT, nije D4D
Vjerovatno je gotov, s obzirom da je takva voznja vec dugo.
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#1362 Re: TOYOTA all about
Toyota ili tetakonektovan wrote: ↑07/05/2026 15:45 Novi rav 4 je brutalan. Jucer neka teta parkira ispred zgrade, tamno siva sa crnim krovom i crnim felgama, predobro izgleda. Mislim da je i Jure Sebalj identicnu testirao nedavno.
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#1363 Re: TOYOTA all about
Obzirom da je 2-3 puta pokusavala da "ubode" pravi ugao...tipujem na tetu..moee wrote: ↑09/05/2026 19:07Toyota ili tetakonektovan wrote: ↑07/05/2026 15:45 Novi rav 4 je brutalan. Jucer neka teta parkira ispred zgrade, tamno siva sa crnim krovom i crnim felgama, predobro izgleda. Mislim da je i Jure Sebalj identicnu testirao nedavno.![]()
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#1364 Re: TOYOTA all about
Jucer na slepi yaris cross razbijen naprijed sav. Ni tablice mu nisu stavili. Ako je 5km presao evo glave
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#1366 Re: TOYOTA all about
Neki dan sam išao kupiti džek za konvertovanje USB na C ulaz.
Ne mogu da vjerujem da je Toyota skroz izbacila USB priključak iz svojih enterijera.
Pa nije to tako stara tehnologija...miša mu njegovog, nije CD ili kaseta, pa da je prevaziđeno.
Ima onaj punjač 12 V i nekoliko C ulaza, ali imam neke muzike na USB-ovima, pa sam išao nabaviti džek, da mogu priključiti.
Šta ti je Japanac

Ne mogu da vjerujem da je Toyota skroz izbacila USB priključak iz svojih enterijera.
Pa nije to tako stara tehnologija...miša mu njegovog, nije CD ili kaseta, pa da je prevaziđeno.
Ima onaj punjač 12 V i nekoliko C ulaza, ali imam neke muzike na USB-ovima, pa sam išao nabaviti džek, da mogu priključiti.
Šta ti je Japanac
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#1367 Re: TOYOTA all about
I drugi već uveliko izbacuju USB-A i ubacuju samo USB-C tako da ništa novo.
Ali obzirom da ima Apple CarPlay i Android Auto, kao još jedan niz opcija je Spotify i deri.
Ali obzirom da ima Apple CarPlay i Android Auto, kao još jedan niz opcija je Spotify i deri.
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#1368 Re: TOYOTA all about
Sta je USB-C nego USB 
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#1369 Re: TOYOTA all about
I garmin je isto uradio. Morao nastavak kupiti da punim sat. Jos prosle godinemilojicabrzi wrote: ↑13/05/2026 15:05 Neki dan sam išao kupiti džek za konvertovanje USB na C ulaz.
Ne mogu da vjerujem da je Toyota skroz izbacila USB priključak iz svojih enterijera.
Pa nije to tako stara tehnologija...miša mu njegovog, nije CD ili kaseta, pa da je prevaziđeno.
Ima onaj punjač 12 V i nekoliko C ulaza, ali imam neke muzike na USB-ovima, pa sam išao nabaviti džek, da mogu priključiti.
Šta ti je Japanac![]()
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#1370 Re: TOYOTA all about
Pa iphone presao na usb c 2023 mislim. Android telefoni su to jos prije furali.
Nema smisla uopste stavljati u auta od 2024 usb a da nije usb c.
Nema smisla uopste stavljati u auta od 2024 usb a da nije usb c.
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#1371 Re: TOYOTA all about
Ne samo to nego EU regulative i ostalo.. Osim ako nisi zadnje 3-4 godine bio u pecini u Varesu sa onim sismisima znas da je sve USB-C
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#1372 Re: TOYOTA all about
Mislio sam da sam šerovao ranije ali očigledno ne.
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#1373 Re: TOYOTA all about
USB-C je standard kako bi se smanjio broj punjaca i njihovih varijacija u opticaju. Po meni sasvim ok odluka.milojicabrzi wrote: ↑13/05/2026 15:05 Neki dan sam išao kupiti džek za konvertovanje USB na C ulaz.
Ne mogu da vjerujem da je Toyota skroz izbacila USB priključak iz svojih enterijera.
Pa nije to tako stara tehnologija...miša mu njegovog, nije CD ili kaseta, pa da je prevaziđeno.
Ima onaj punjač 12 V i nekoliko C ulaza, ali imam neke muzike na USB-ovima, pa sam išao nabaviti džek, da mogu priključiti.
Šta ti je Japanac![]()
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#1374 Re: TOYOTA all about
Mmmmmmm
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#1375 Re: TOYOTA all about
Sad ce House bacit onaj smajli koji drka. 
