Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About

Da li razumijete zasto ljudi glasaju za Trumpa?

Poll ended at 06/10/2016 21:19

Razumijem
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drug_profi wrote: 05/09/2025 11:17
HD_2015 wrote: 05/09/2025 10:15
drug_profi wrote: 05/09/2025 09:50 Ja ne vidim uopšte opravdanje da se raketom pogodi čamac koji nema vidljivo teško naoružanje i koji se nije prethodno pokušao zaustaviti bez žrtava.
Policijska akcija - zaustavi, uhapsi, ako oni zapucaju, uzvrati vatru.

Objava rata - vojna akcija - nema zaustavljanja, samo gađaj, ne pitaj. U ratu, kada praviš zasjedu, ne hapsiš neprijatelje, već napadaš iz zasjede.

Ne kažem nužno da ima opravdanje, već priroda djelovanja je drugačija.

Lično, nemam ništa protiv, neka samo rokaju narko-kartel. Da hoće i kod nas doći da malo pročiste.
Jel na čamcu bila zastava narko kartela, ili oznake neke po kojima se zna da je to neprijatelj?
Ja en shvatam kako ne vidite koliko je ovo pogrešno sve.
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Truba wrote: 05/09/2025 12:05 vjerojatno su upozoreni 72 puta da ne idu i da se vrati
vrijeme je bogaljenja kartela više nemaju para od smuglarenja ljudi i od preprodaje migranata medjusobno
racun za drogu sve veci a prodaja ne ide
unistavaju im linije opskrbe dobave a sve ce se to nivelirati kad dodje pravi demokratski predsjednik u venecueli a ne onaj mrmot
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aaa, vjerovatno!???
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Poslali su im mail sa upozorenjem, ali su se oglušili...
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Truba wrote: 05/09/2025 12:05 vjerojatno su upozoreni 72 puta da ne idu i da se vrati
vrijeme je bogaljenja kartela više nemaju para od smuglarenja ljudi i od preprodaje migranata medjusobno
racun za drogu sve veci a prodaja ne ide
unistavaju im linije opskrbe dobave a sve ce se to nivelirati kad dodje pravi demokratski predsjednik u venecueli a ne onaj mrmot
Cuj prodaja ne ide :lol: :lol: :lol:
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HD_2015 wrote: 05/09/2025 10:15
drug_profi wrote: 05/09/2025 09:50 Ja ne vidim uopšte opravdanje da se raketom pogodi čamac koji nema vidljivo teško naoružanje i koji se nije prethodno pokušao zaustaviti bez žrtava.
Policijska akcija - zaustavi, uhapsi, ako oni zapucaju, uzvrati vatru.

Objava rata - vojna akcija - nema zaustavljanja, samo gađaj, ne pitaj. U ratu, kada praviš zasjedu, ne hapsiš neprijatelje, već napadaš iz zasjede.

Ne kažem nužno da ima opravdanje, već priroda djelovanja je drugačija.

Lično, nemam ništa protiv, neka samo rokaju narko-kartel. Da hoće i kod nas doći da malo pročiste.
Znali sa 100% sigurnosti da je bio brod narko kartela?
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#33556 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About

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Onog trenutka kad ne bude vise na vlasti treba njega i sve njegove blize i dalje ulizice ko kerove proganjati. Pogotovo mu djecu. Sve im uzeti i u zatvor strpati.
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Nikada se to desiti neće, ima on i više nego dovoljno budala da ih brane i prije će građanski rat izbiti nego se ostvariti neka stvarna akcija protiv njega i njegovih.
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#33558 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About

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Trump nastavlja svoju politiku mrkve i stapa. Ocito mu treba nesto od Venecuele i sad malo udara stapom po narko kartelima koju su vjerovatno sporedni efekat. Da li je u pitanju nesto u vezi nafte ne znam, ali ovo sa narkokartelima je smijurija isto kao ono sa zidom izmedju meksika. Ovo je iskljucivo poruka Venecueli, sve ostalo je show. Moguce da je u pitanju odnosi sa Kinom i RUsijom pa kao poruka da se ne petljaju ne pokusavaju nesto, ili je nafta u pitanju posto venecuela ima mnogo nafte. Moguce i da je neka igra u vezi buduce energije pa ameri hoce da se uvale na vrijeme. Za par godina cemo uci u novu energetsku krizu zbog AI tehnologije kada ce faliti energije, a Venecuela je ima. Moguce da je isti motiv kao i sa Grenlandom i Danskom s tim da je malo drugacije izvodjenje.

Kako god, sama ideja da amerika napada brodice kartela je smjesna. Efekat je nula. Najebace sitni dileri koji se zadese na pogresnom mjestu u pogresno vrijeme. Trump je igrao mrkve i stapa manje vise sa svim drzavama. Tako je i evropu natjerao na 5% budzeta, Panamu da otjera kineze i sl.
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#33559 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About

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Billy The Pljuc wrote: 05/09/2025 10:49
pici wrote: 05/09/2025 09:18 Da on to oslikava samo na ameriku pa ni po jada, nego svijet je u krizi i neizvjesnoti. Nije on dalabu, bas tolka, to da je glup i tako to, to ja nisam nikad napisao, medjutim da je idiot i šalabajzer i prodavac magle to jeste.

Najgore sto moze jedan vodza uciniti a to je da se okruzi poltronima, ulizicama, nesposobnjakovicima itd. Svaka imperija ima svoj pocetak, vrhunac i kraj. Trenutno smo svjedoci postepenom padu americkog imperijalizma, prethodio je pad ruskog imperijalizma koji se sada grca u ratu za prezivljavanje. Proci ce jos vremena do potpunog pada i jedne i druge imperije, necemo dozivjet al pad je neminovan. Pocetak pada je dolazak tVumpa i njegovog MAGA pokreta. Mada nikad se ne zna, zivi bili pa vidjeli.
Kako će biti glup i dalabu:

"Amerika još nije vidjela ovakvu korupciju.

AMERIČKI predsjednik Donald Trump i njegova obitelj zaradili su otprilike 3.4 milijarde dolara koristeći položaj predsjednika, procjena je uglednog časopisa New Yorker.

New Yorker piše kako najveći dio profita dolazi od zarade na sumnjivim kriptovalutama, licenciranja imena za luksuzne nekretnine, uključujući ekskluzivne projekte u Perzijskom zaljevu te investicija u privatne fondove...

Trumpovi sinovi, Donald Jr. i Eric, aktivno sudjeluju u upravljanju i širenju Trumpovih poslovnih interesa, što znači da profiti ne idu samo Trumpu osobno, već se dijele unutar obitelji. A to bogatstvo udvostručilo se u prethodnoj godini, prešavši pet milijardi dolara, objavio je Forbes.

U prvom mandatu privatnu imovinu iznajmljivao državnim agencijama

Tijekom prvog mandata (2016. – 2020.) američka vlada trošila je novac u Trumpovoj privatnoj imovini, hotelima, golf terenima i drugim objektima, ponajprije kroz plaćanje prostora koje je koristila tajna služba dok je ondje osiguravala predsjednika.

Atlantic piše da su i predstavnici stranih vlada boravili u Trumpovu hotelu u Washingtonu. Samo u prvom mandatu Američki ured za etiku u vladi (CREW) je zabilježio čak 3700 sukoba interesa predsjednika SAD-a.

Samo na Mar-a-Lagu zaradio više od 100 milijuna dolara

Posebno je sporan Mar-a-Lago, Trumpov privatni klub u Palm Beachu. Cijena članarine nakon Trumpova dolaska u Bijelu kuću gotovo je udvostručena te je iznosila 200 tisuća dolara, a prošle jeseni je prema medijskim napisima bilo predviđeno da naraste na milijun dolara.

New Yorker u spomenutom tekstu procjenjuje kako su predsjednički mandati Trumpu donijeli najmanje 125 milijuna dolara dodatnog profita samo od Mar-a-Laga.

Osobno bogaćenje na uvođenju carina

Što se tiče drugog mandata, američki istraživački novinari ističu i da aspekt carina u Trumpovoj politici nije samo ekonomska mjera, već i moćan alat za njegovo osobno bogaćenje. Primjer Vijetnama zorno pokazuje kako to funkcionira.

Trump je, naime, Vijetnamu zaprijetio visokim carinama od 46 posto. Nedugo nakon prijetnji, vijetnamske vlasti dale su dozvole i ubrzale projekt vrijedan oko 1,5 milijardi dolara za izgradnju Trumpovog golf resorta u blizini Hanoja.

Prema izvješću Timesa, vijetnamska vlada "ignorirala je vlastite zakone" dajući Trumpovoj organizaciji ustupke koji su "velikodušniji od onoga što dobivaju čak i najpovezaniji lokalni stanovnici". To jasno pokazuje da Trump koristi vanjsku politiku SAD-a za osobno bogaćenje.

Nekretninski biznis širi po cijelom svijetu, pa i u Srbiji

Forbes piše kako od predizborne kampanje Trump punom parom sklapa poslove diljem svijeta te da bilježi osam novih velikih poslovnih projekata u zadnjih 10 mjeseci.

Primjera radi, Trump je započeo predsjedničku kampanju 15. studenog 2022. Već sljedećeg dana saudijska tvrtka za nekretnine potpisala je ugovor o razvoju golf zajednice s Trumpovim brendom u partnerstvu sa Sultanatom Oman, a njegova tvrtka DT Marks Oman LLC dobila je više od 6 milijuna dolara.

U mjesecima nakon Trumpovog ponovnog izbora, Donald Jr. i Eric Trump potpisali su niz licencnih ugovora s istom saudijskom tvrtkom za velike projekte u Rijadu, Džedi, Dubaiju i Dohi. Poslovanje se poboljšalo i na drugim mjestima te Trumpova obitelj razvija nekretninske projekte i u Mađarskoj i Srbiji, što uključuje luksuzne nekretninske komplekse.

New Yorker navodi i kako je saudijski fond pod kontrolom prijestolonasljednika Mohammeda bin Salmana 2021. uložio dvije milijarde dolara u investicijski fond Trumpova zeta i bivšeg savjetnika Jareda Kushnera. Procjenjuje se da bi Kushner mogao zaraditi najmanje 320 milijuna dolara.

Ulaže u firme kojima potom predsjedničkim odlukama diže vrijednost na burzi

Trump je od početka 2025. godine proveo više od 600 financijskih transakcija, s ukupnim ulaganjem u obveznice vrijednim preko 100 milijuna dolara, prema podacima američkog Ureda za etiku u vladi.

Ulagao je u obveznice tvrtki Citigroup, T-Mobile US, The Home Depot itd., radi se o sektorima koji izravno ovise o političkim odlukama administracije.

Što se tiče dionica, posljednje objave iz 2024. otkrivaju značajne Trumpove udjele u Microsoftu, Blackstoneu, Amazonu, Tesli... Kako piše njemački Tagesschau, posljednje objave iz 2024. otkrivaju kako je Trump u Nvidiju i Apple uložio između 600 tisuća i 1,35 milijuna dolara.

Poslovni rezultati tih kompanija ovise o političkim odlukama administracije koju Trump vodi. Na primjer, Trump je uveo i potom ublažio zabranu prodaje Nvidijinih čipova Kini, uvjetujući to dijelom prihoda koji mora ići američkoj vladi, što potez bez presedana.

Slična praksa viđena je kod Applea, nakon čega su dionice tvrtke porasle više od četiri posto u jednom danu. Trump i njegova obitelj tako su izravno profitirali od odluka koje donosi kao predsjednik.

Katar mu poklonio avion vrijedan 400 milijuna dolara

Dok su mnogi od Trumpovih poslova možda teže shvatljivi prosječnoj osobi, ništa ne govori o sukobu interesa poput Trumpova prihvaćanja aviona koji mu je poklonila katarska vlada.

Raskošno uređen Boeing 747, koji dolazi iz flote katarske kraljevske obitelji, vrijedan je oko 400 milijuna dolara. Dar dolazi u trenutku kada američki Ustav, u tzv. klauzuli o darovima, izričito zabranjuje državnim dužnosnicima primanje darova od stranih vlada bez odobrenja Kongresa.

Lobistica za Katar odlučivala smije li Trump uzeti luksuzni avion

Trump je prije toga za glavnu državnu tužiteljicu izabrao Pam Bondi. Zanimljivo je da je Bondi prije toga radila kao lobistica za Katar, zarađujući 115.000 dolara mjesečno na toj funkciji.

U toj ulozi lobirala je u američkom Kongresu za katarske interese, a potom se našla u poziciji da odlučuje o (ne)prikladnosti katarskog dara Trumpu vrijednog čak 400 milijuna dolara.

Lansirao meme coin - savršen alat za korupciju

Iako je Trump ranije govorio negativno o kriptovalutama te ih nazivao "prijevarom", kasnije je promijenio stav.

Trump je neposredno prije svog drugog mandata lansirao meme coin $TRUMP. Trumpov meme coin predstavlja savršen instrument za podmićivanje jer omogućava da bilo tko uloži velike svote novca kupnjom digitalnog tokena koji nema stvarnu vrijednost. Ovaj coin je po lansiranju dosegao tržišnu vrijednost od oko 15 milijardi dolara.

Prihvaćanje kriptovaluta i povezivanje s tom industrijom donijelo je Trumpu i njegovoj obitelji procijenjenih 1,3 milijarde dolara kroz bitcoin riznicu Trump Media & Technology Group, navodi The New Yorker.

Navodi se kako je pritom kroz projekte poput World Liberty Financial i Trump Media & Technology povezao političke resurse i investitore, što je dovelo do porasta vrijednosti njihovih tokena i fondova.

"Ovo je pljačka Amerike"

Sve navedeno tek je dio priče o Trumpovoj korupciji. Kritike se odnose i na činjenicu da je Melania Trump osobno dogovorila dokumentarni film o povratku u Bijelu kuću, za što je Amazon, koji ima ugovore s državom vrijedne milijarde, platio 40 milijuna dolara.

Trumpu se spočitava zarada ostvarena kroz društvenu mrežu Truth Social te komercijalizacija brenda prodajom parfema i suvenira.

Kathleen Clark, profesorica prava na Sveučilištu Washington u Saint Louisu, rekla je za Guardian da Trump radi toliko brzo da nadjačava sposobnost etičkih skupina i institucija da reagiraju.

"Ovo je krađa i uništenje. Ovo je pljačka Amerike", rekla je."

Autor: Vedran Salvia
I onda neko misli da ce porodica sama od sebe otici sa vlasti. :roll: Ili da ce predati vlast Dzej Diju ili nekom trecem laznjaku.
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#33560 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About

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Truba wrote: 05/09/2025 10:36 narko karteli su terorističke organizacije koje su ubile više ljudi u jednoj godini nego teroristi na koje pomislimo kad cujes tu rijec za sve vrijeme od pojave bin ladena

samo u 2019 točno 70.699. je umrlo od droge u ameirici


znaci samo u jednoj godini su narko teroristi ubili 7 puta više nego što su za 30 godina poginuli vojnici i civili u borbi i od terorista (minus narko karteli)

moralne implikacije i presumpcije nevinosti jednog čamca su previše
U istom periodu cigare ubile 480 000 ljudi, a alkohol 95 000. Hoce li sljedece na redu za raketiranje biti pivare i fabrike duhana?
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#33561 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About

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drug_profi wrote: 05/09/2025 09:20

Ne može se Amerika izliječiti od ovoga. Nije Trump uzrok, već posljedica.
Amerika je odavno podjeljeno drustvo na dvije frakcije. Oni nikad nisu pregrmili gradjanski rat, sjever i jug, nikad. Klintoni, Obame, Bajdeni su jedna strana amerike i mozemo reci komotno sjevernjaci dok Regani, Bushevi, tVumpovi su druga strana tj. juznjaci. Ovo ih razdire i imaju taj ko neki kompromis na kapitolu u senatu i kongresu, medjutim ovaj je to uzdrmao i to se pocelo nepovratno urusavat i pucat.

Pomilovati ljude koji otvoreno zagovaraju urusavanje demokratije i mjenjanje lica amerike u totalitarnu policijsko-vojnu diktaturu a hapsiti i ponizavati aktiviste koji podrzavaju palestinu, imigrante, Lgbq, feministkinje itd itd. Tu debelo nesto ne stima i to je znak postupnog pada imperije.

Istorija je majka svih ucenja, mudrosti i prorocanstava. Tacno imas te cikluse u kojem pojedini narod, nacija, drzava, pocne, dosegne vrhunac i ide neminovan pad.

tVum je naravno posljedica, ne nekih tamo teorija zavjere vec pohlepnoscu bogatih amerikanaca tj oligarha i indolentnostcu samih amerikanaca.

Sad nema ludih japanaca da ih vrate na svjetski tron... uzdaju se u kineze da ih batrgnu iz ucmalosti i opijenoscu svjetske moci.

egipat, rim, perzija, mongolija, grcka itd itd... sve ih jedno spaja il ih nema na mapi il su trecerazredne drzavice... moderne imperije poput engleske, spanije pa i austo-ugarske, francuske, njemacke... i oni su sada vazali drugima.

Zato se tVump i putin itekako razumiju al jebe se njima.... i super sto im se jebe i gladni su para.
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#33562 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About

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Komarci su najveća teroristička prijetnja od bilo kojeg živog bića. :D
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U junu ove godine zabiljezen prvi negativni rast broja poslova od decembra 2020-e. (btw zadnji mjesec kad je Trump bio predsjednik u prvom mandatu)
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jeza u ledja wrote: 05/09/2025 17:19 U junu ove godine zabiljezen prvi negativni rast broja poslova od decembra 2020-e. (btw zadnji mjesec kad je Trump bio predsjednik u prvom mandatu)
Nema sanse da ne bude recesija u naredne 3 godine.
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#33565 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About

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ultima_palabra wrote: 05/09/2025 17:42
jeza u ledja wrote: 05/09/2025 17:19 U junu ove godine zabiljezen prvi negativni rast broja poslova od decembra 2020-e. (btw zadnji mjesec kad je Trump bio predsjednik u prvom mandatu)
Nema sanse da ne bude recesija u naredne 3 godine.
Nece nam javiti da smo u recesiji i budale ce opet vjerovati Trumpu.

Nego, na koga sve sumnjamo?
Ova teorija zavjere tvrdi da je većina sadržaja i navodnih ljudi na internetu zapravo automatski generisana od strane računara, te da je internet u suštini "mrtav".
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jeza u ledja wrote: 05/09/2025 15:11 I onda neko misli da ce porodica sama od sebe otici sa vlasti. :roll: Ili da ce predati vlast Dzej Diju ili nekom trecem laznjaku.
Upravo, napisah bukvalno par postova iznad, ako treba - krvlju će se braniti.
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geralt wrote: 05/09/2025 15:18 Hoce li sljedece na redu za raketiranje biti pivare
Hej, halo ba...!! :shock: Neka te... :(
Đeš po pivi, pa raspala bi se civlizacija....
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#33568 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About

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https://www.facebook.com/share/v/173LjowFBh/

Maduro je presudjeni diler droge u drzavi njujork
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#33569 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About

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drug_profi wrote: 05/09/2025 22:45
geralt wrote: 05/09/2025 15:18 Hoce li sljedece na redu za raketiranje biti pivare
Hej, halo ba...!! :shock: Neka te... :(
Đeš po pivi, pa raspala bi se civlizacija....
I pivare će, samo da skrene nekako priču s onog prokletog Epsteina...
Tog se tega neće nikada riješiti.
Je li oslobodio više onu Maxwell, kako se zvaše? :D
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#33570 Re: Donald J Trump - Predsjednik USA All About

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Sta kae Mike, Trump je bio tajni FBI agent koji je srusio Epsteina, pa ne mogu da vjerujem sta treci covjek Amerike izjavljuje :lol: :lol: . I Qanon mu zavidi na ovome :run:
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Eno hoce Trump da dodje u NYC na finale US Opena, kakav ce to shitshow biti :lol: :run:
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Vrlo interesantan clanak, koga interesuje. Malo je kontraverzno sto se ovakvo nesto uopste objavljuje, ali sve za klik. :-)
Riskantno iz vise razloga. :-)

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/05/us/n ... -2019.html
How a Top Secret SEAL Team 6 Mission Into North Korea Fell Apart

The 2019 operation, greenlit by President Trump, sought a strategic edge. It left unarmed North Koreans dead.

A group of Navy SEALs emerged from the ink-black ocean on a winter night in early 2019 and crept to a rocky shore in North Korea. They were on a top secret mission so complex and consequential that everything had to go exactly right.

The objective was to plant an electronic device that would let the United States intercept the communications of North Korea’s reclusive leader, Kim Jong-un, amid high-level nuclear talks with President Trump.

The mission had the potential to provide the United States with a stream of valuable intelligence. But it meant putting American commandos on North Korean soil — a move that, if detected, not only could sink negotiations but also could lead to a hostage crisis or an escalating conflict with a nuclear-armed foe.

It was so risky that it required the president’s direct approval.

For the operation, the military chose SEAL Team 6’s Red Squadron — the same unit that killed Osama bin Laden. The SEALs rehearsed for months, aware that every move needed to be perfect. But when they reached what they thought was a deserted shore that night, wearing black wet suits and night-vision goggles, the mission swiftly unraveled.

A North Korean boat appeared out of the dark. Flashlights from the bow swept over the water. Fearing that they had been spotted, the SEALs opened fire. Within seconds, everyone on the North Korean boat was dead.

The SEALs retreated into the sea without planting the listening device.

The 2019 operation has never been publicly acknowledged, or even hinted at, by the United States or North Korea. The details remain classified and are being reported here for the first time. The Trump administration did not notify key members of Congress who oversee intelligence operations, before or after the mission. The lack of notification may have violated the law.

The White House declined to comment.

This account is based on interviews with two dozen people, including civilian government officials, members of the first Trump administration and current and former military personnel with knowledge of the mission. All of them spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the mission’s classified status.

Several of those people said they were discussing details about the mission because they were concerned that Special Operations failures are often hidden by government secrecy. If the public and policymakers become aware only of high-profile successes, such as the raid that killed bin Laden in Pakistan, they may underestimate the extreme risks that American forces undertake.

The military operation on North Korean soil, close to American military bases in South Korea and the Pacific region, also risked setting off a broader conflict with a hostile, nuclear-armed and highly militarized adversary.

The New York Times proceeds cautiously when reporting on classified military operations. The Times has withheld some sensitive information on the North Korea mission that could affect future Special Operations and intelligence-gathering missions.

It is unclear how much North Korea was able to discover about the mission. But the SEAL operation is one chapter in a decades-long effort by U.S. administrations to engage North Korea and constrain its nuclear weapons programs. Almost nothing the United States has tried — neither promises of closer relations nor the pressure of sanctions — has worked.

In 2019, Mr. Trump was making a personalized overture to Mr. Kim, in search of a breakthrough that had eluded prior presidents. But those talks collapsed, and North Korea’s nuclear program accelerated. The U.S. government estimates that North Korea now has roughly 50 nuclear weapons and missiles that can reach the West Coast. Mr. Kim has pledged to keep expanding his nuclear program “exponentially” to deter what he calls U.S. provocations.

Blind Spots

The SEAL mission was intended to fix a strategic blind spot. For years, U.S. intelligence agencies had found it nearly impossible to recruit human sources and tap communications in North Korea’s insular authoritarian state.

Gaining insight into Mr. Kim’s thinking became a high priority when Mr. Trump first took office. The North Korean leader seemed increasingly unpredictable and dangerous, and his relationship with Mr. Trump had lurched erratically between letters of friendship and public threats of nuclear war.

In 2018, relations seemed to be moving toward peace. North Korea suspended nuclear and missile tests, and the two countries opened negotiations, but the United States still had little insight into Mr. Kim’s intentions.

Amid the uncertainty, U.S. intelligence agencies revealed to the White House that they had a fix for the intelligence problem: a newly developed electronic device that could intercept Mr. Kim’s communications.

The catch was that someone had to sneak in and plant it.

The job was given to SEAL Team 6 in 2018, military officials said.

Even for Team 6, the mission would be extraordinarily difficult. SEALs who were more used to quick raids in places like Afghanistan and Iraq would have to survive for hours in frigid seas, slip past security forces on land, perform a precise technical installation and then get out undetected.

Getting out undetected was vital. In Mr. Trump’s first term, top leaders in the Pentagon believed that even a small military action against North Korea could provoke catastrophic retaliation from an adversary with roughly 8,000 artillery pieces and rocket launchers aimed at the approximately 28,000 American troops in South Korea, and nuclear-capable missiles that could reach the United States.

But the SEALs believed they could pull off the mission because they had done something like it before.

In 2005, SEALs used a mini-sub to go ashore in North Korea and leave unnoticed, according to people familiar with the mission. The 2005 operation, carried out during the presidency of George W. Bush, has never before been reported publicly.

The SEALs were proposing to do it again. In the fall of 2018, while high-level talks with North Korea were underway, Joint Special Operations Command, which oversees Team 6, received approval from Mr. Trump to start preparing, military officials said. It is unclear whether Mr. Trump’s intent was to gain an immediate advantage during negotiations or if the focus was broader.

Joint Special Operations Command declined to comment.

The plan called for the Navy to sneak a nuclear-powered submarine, nearly two football fields long, into the waters off North Korea and then deploy a small team of SEALs in two mini-subs, each about the size of a killer whale, that would motor silently to the shore.

The mini-subs were wet subs, which meant the SEALs would ride immersed in 40-degree ocean water for about two hours to reach the shore, using scuba gear and heated suits to survive.

Near the beach, the mini-subs would release a group of about eight SEALs who would swim to the target, install the device and then slip back into the sea.

But the team faced a serious limitation: It would be going in almost blind.

Typically, Special Operations forces have drones overhead during a mission, streaming high-definition video of the target, which SEALs on the ground and senior leaders in far-off command centers can use to direct the strike in real time. Often, they can even listen in on enemy communications.

But in North Korea, any drone would be spotted. The mission would have to rely on satellites in orbit and high-altitude spy planes in international airspace miles away that could provide only relatively low-definition still images, officials said.

Those images would arrive not in real time, but after a delay of several minutes at best. Even then, they could not be relayed to the mini-subs because a single encrypted transmission might give the mission away. Everything had to be done under a near blackout of communications.

If anything awaited the SEALs on shore, they might not know until it was too late.

The Operation Unravels


SEAL Team 6 practiced for months in U.S. waters and continued preparations into the first weeks of 2019. That February, Mr. Trump announced that he would meet Mr. Kim for a nuclear summit in Vietnam at the end of the month.

For the mission, SEAL Team 6 partnered with the Navy’s premier underwater team, SEAL Delivery Vehicle Team 1, which had been doing mini-sub espionage for years. The SEALs boarded the nuclear-powered submarine and headed for North Korea. When the submarine was in the open ocean, and about to enter a communications blackout, Mr. Trump gave the final go-ahead.

It is unclear what factors Mr. Trump weighed when approving the SEAL mission. Two of his top national security officials at that time — his national security adviser, John Bolton, and the acting defense secretary, Patrick M. Shanahan — declined to comment for this article.

The submarine neared the North Korean coast and launched two mini-subs, which motored to a spot about 100 yards from shore, in clear shallow water.

Mission planners had tried to compensate for having no live overhead video by spending months watching how people came and went in the area. They studied fishing patterns and chose a time when boat traffic would be scant. The intelligence suggested that if SEALs arrived silently in the right location in the dead of night in winter, they would be unlikely to encounter anyone.

The night was still and the sea was calm. As the mini-subs glided toward the target, their sensors suggested that the intelligence was correct. The shore appeared to be empty.

The mini-subs reached the spot where they were supposed to park on the sea floor. There, the team made what may have been the first of three small mistakes that seemed inconsequential at the time but may have doomed the mission.

In the darkness, the first mini-sub settled on the sea floor as planned, but the second overshot the mark and had to do a U-turn, officials said.

The plan called for the mini-subs to park facing the same way, but after the second sub doubled back, they were pointing in opposite directions. Time was limited, so the group decided to release the shore team and correct the parking issue later.

Sliding doors on the subs opened, and the SEALs — all gripping untraceable weapons loaded with untraceable ammunition — swam silently underwater to shore with the listening device.

Every few yards, the SEALs peeked above the black water to scan their surroundings. Everything seemed clear.

That might have been a second mistake. Bobbing in the darkness was a small boat. On board was a crew of North Koreans who were easy to miss because the sensors in the SEALs’ night-vision goggles were designed in part to detect heat, and the wet suits the Koreans wore were chilled by the cold seawater.

The SEALs reached shore thinking they were alone, and started to remove their diving gear. The target was only a few hundred yards away.

Back at the mini-subs, the pilots repositioned the sub that was facing the wrong way. With the sliding cockpit doors open for visibility and communication, a pilot revved the electric motor and brought the sub around.

That was probably a third mistake. Some SEALs speculated afterward in briefings that the motor’s wake might have caught the attention of the North Korean boat. And if the boat crew heard a splash and turned to look, they might have seen light from the subs’ open cockpits glowing in the dark water.

The boat started moving toward the mini-subs. The North Koreans were shining flashlights and talking as if they had noticed something.

Some of the mini-sub pilots told officials in debriefings afterward that from their vantage point, looking up through the clear water, the boat still seemed to be a safe distance away and they had doubted that the mini-subs had been spotted. But the SEALs at the shore saw it differently. In the dark, featureless sea, the boat to them seemed to be practically on top of the mini-subs.

With communications blacked out, there was no way for the shore team to confer with the mini-subs. Lights from the boat swept over the water. The SEALs didn’t know if they were seeing a security patrol on the hunt for them or a simple fishing crew oblivious to the high-stakes mission unfolding around them.

A man from the North Korean boat splashed into the sea.

If the shore team got into trouble, the nuclear-powered sub had a group of SEAL reinforcements standing by with inflatable speedboats. Farther offshore, stealth rotary aircraft were positioned on U.S. Navy ships with even more Special Operations troops, ready to sweep in if needed.

The SEALs faced a critical decision, but there was no way to discuss the next move. The mission commander was miles away on the big submarine. With no drones and a communications blackout, many of the technological advantages that the SEALs normally relied on had been stripped away, leaving a handful of men in wet neoprene, unsure of what to do.

As the shore team watched the North Korean in the water, the senior enlisted SEAL at the shore chose a course of action. He wordlessly centered his rifle and fired. The other SEALs instinctively did the same.

Compromise and Escape


If the SEALs were unsure whether the mission had been compromised before they fired, they had no doubt afterward. The plan required the SEALs to abort immediately if they encountered anyone. North Korean security forces could be coming. There was no time to plant the device.

The shore team swam to the boat to make sure that all of the North Koreans were dead. They found no guns or uniforms. Evidence suggested that the crew, which people briefed on the mission said numbered two or three people, had been civilians diving for shellfish. All were dead, including the man in the water.

Officials familiar with the mission said the SEALs pulled the bodies into the water to hide them from the North Korean authorities. One added that the SEALs punctured the boat crew’s lungs with knives to make sure their bodies would sink.

The SEALs swam back to the mini-subs and sent a distress signal. Believing the SEALs were in imminent danger of capture, the big nuclear submarine maneuvered into shallow water close to the shore, taking a significant risk to pick them up. It then sped toward the open ocean.

All the U.S. military personnel escaped unharmed.

Immediately afterward, U.S. spy satellites detected a surge of North Korean military activity in the area, U.S. officials said. North Korea did not make any public statements about the deaths, and U.S. officials said it was unclear whether the North Koreans ever pieced together what had happened and who was responsible.

The nuclear summit in Vietnam went ahead as planned at the end of February 2019, but the talks quickly ended with no deal.

By May, North Korea had resumed missile tests.

Mr. Trump and Mr. Kim met once more that June in the Demilitarized Zone between North and South Korea. It made for dramatic television, with Mr. Trump even stepping across into North Korea. But the brief meeting yielded little more than a handshake.

In the months that followed, North Korea fired more missiles than in any previous year, including some capable of reaching the United States. Since then, the United States estimates, North Korea has amassed 50 nuclear warheads and material to produce about 40 more.

Uneven Track Record

The aborted SEAL mission prompted a series of military reviews during Mr. Trump’s first term. They found that the killing of civilians was justified under the rules of engagement, and that the mission was undone by a collision of unfortunate occurrences that could not have been foreseen or avoided. The findings were classified.

The Trump administration never told leaders of key committees in Congress that oversee military and intelligence activities about the operation or the findings, government officials said. In doing so, the Trump administration may have violated federal law, said Matthew Waxman, a law professor at Columbia University who served in national security positions under former President George W. Bush.

Mr. Waxman said the law has gray areas that give presidents some leeway on what they tell Congress. But on more consequential missions, the burden leans more toward notification.

“The point is to ensure that Congress isn’t kept in the dark when major stuff is going on,” Mr. Waxman said. “This is exactly the kind of thing that would normally be briefed to the committees and something the committees would expect to be told about.”

Many of the people involved in the mission were later promoted.

But the episode worried some experienced military officials with knowledge of the mission, because the SEALs have an uneven track record that for decades has largely been concealed by secrecy.

Elite Special Operations units are regularly assigned some of the most difficult and dangerous tasks. Over the years, the SEALs have had a number of major successes, including hits on terrorist leaders, high-profile rescues of hostages and the takedown of bin Laden, that have built an almost superhuman public image.

But among some in the military who have worked with them, the SEALs have a reputation for devising overly bold and complex missions that go badly. Team 6’s debut mission, which was part of the U.S. invasion of Grenada in 1983, is a case in point.

The plan was to parachute into the sea, race to the coast in speedboats and plant beacons to guide assault forces to the island’s airport. But the SEALs’ plane took off late; they jumped at night and landed in stormy conditions, weighed down by heavy gear. Four SEALs drowned, and the rest swamped their speedboats.

The airfield was later seized by Army Rangers who parachuted directly onto the airfield.

Since then, SEALs have mounted other complex and daring missions that unraveled, in Panama, Afghanistan, Yemen and Somalia. During a rescue mission in Afghanistan in 2010, Team 6 SEALs accidentally killed a hostage they were trying to rescue with a grenade and then misled superiors about how she had died.

In part because of this track record, President Barack Obama curtailed Special Operations missions late in his second term and increased oversight, reserving complex commando raids for extraordinary situations like hostage rescues.

The first Trump administration reversed many of those restrictions and cut the amount of high-level deliberation for sensitive missions. A few days after taking office in 2017, Mr. Trump skipped over much of the established deliberative process to greenlight a Team 6 raid on a village in Yemen. That mission left 30 villagers and a SEAL dead and destroyed a $75 million aircraft.

When President Joseph R. Biden Jr. succeeded Mr. Trump, the gravity of the North Korea mission attracted renewed klix. Mr. Biden’s defense secretary, Lloyd J. Austin III, ordered an independent investigation, conducted by the lieutenant general in charge of the Army inspector general’s office.

In 2021, the Biden administration briefed key members of Congress on the findings, a former government official said.

Those findings remain classified.
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Trump potpisao naredbu: Ministarstvo odbrane postaje Ministarstvo rata

Politicki.ba 06.09.2025.

Ministar odbrane Pete Hegseth, koji se pridružio predsjedniku u Ovalnom uredu, rekao je da promjena naziva "nije samo preimenovanje, već i vraćanje".

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Predsjednik SAD-a Donald Trump upravo je u Ovalnom uredu potpisao izvršnu naredbu o vraćanju naziva "Ministarstvo rata" kao sekundarnog naziva za Ministarstvo odbrane.

"Mislim da je to mnogo prikladniji naziv, posebno s obzirom na trenutno stanje u svijetu. Imamo najjaču vojsku na svijetu", rekao je Trump prije potpisivanja naredbe.

Ministar odbrane Pete Hegseth, koji se pridružio predsjedniku u Ovalnom uredu, rekao je da promjena naziva "nije samo preimenovanje, već i vraćanje". Hegseth je rekao da će vojska "ići u ofanzivu, ne samo u odbranu" i da će, što se odražava u promjeni naziva, zemlja "podići ratnike, a ne samo branitelje".

Trump je novinarima rekao da vjeruje da preimenovanje Ministarstva odbrane u Ministarstvo rata šalje "poruku pobjede".

"Mislim da to šalje poruku pobjede. Mislim da to zaista šalje poruku snage. Vrlo smo jaki. Mnogo smo jači nego što bi iko zaista shvatio", rekao je.
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Ne zna se ko je luđi od tih hilbilija u administraciji.
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SAD na rubu rata s Venezuelom. Šalje moćne F-35, razmatra udare. Eskaliralo i na moru
sta kaje narandjasti klovn, nikad nije zapoceo rat... da vidimo imal muda za ovo. U prvom mandatu je drečio na onog debeljuskastog kima da ce sravnitis.koreju da ce ovo ono pa se na kraju kezio su njim i grlio.
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