F1 2008, 2009, 2010 and counting

[shalla]

Ne volim Maxa ali ovo danas je bila doktorska vožnja

[Sid the sloth]

Svaka cast Maxu. Lewis je uradio nesto slicno u Brazilu ali nisu bili ovako losi uslovi tako da je ovo jos veci poduhvat i to u prelomnom trenutku sezone i nakon sto jucer nije imao srece u kvalifikacijama. Zasluzeno sampion

[PlusSA]

Dosta srece da je tjerao do Red flaga bez boxa al svakako sve perfektno.

Takticki maestralno od RB danas.

[nitro_90]

https://x.com/formuLau16/status/1853157 ... formuLau16

Max o britanskim novinarima

[Samprotivsviju]

https://x.com/formuLau16/status/1853157 ... formuLau16

Max o britanskim novinarima

Pokazuju svoje pravo lice

[omega369]

Kaze lando da je danas imao losu srecu


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VP591ea6w ... FjZSBhaG93

[Samprotivsviju]

Tesko da i Ferrari moze stici Meklarena u konstruktorima

[zforumas]

Svaka cast Josovom malom.
Ne podnosim ga nikako ali jucer je pokazao kako se postaje sampion

Lando mora prvo biti brzi od timskog pa onda ostalo, nije vise pocetnik kojeg sa pitwalla trebaju voditi stazom i govoriti gdje kako da salta ne bi li uhvatio onog ispred sebe, ta vremena su prosla.

Ferrari...nadam se samo da su se nadali suhoj utrci pa tako podesili bolid inace ovo je sramota.

Interlagos skoro nikad ne razocara.

Jebali ih arapski petrodolari

[_BataZiv_0809]

Evo prenocilo je, strasti su se smirile, pa nesto hladnije glave mogu reci da isto mislim kao i jucer a planetf1 (Oliver Harden je autor, a za njih radi i jedan "naš" Uros Radovanovic koga takodjer rado citam) je to lijepo poslozio:

McLaren kao ekipa i Lando kao vozac su jos uvijek neiskusni i nedorasli velikom izazovu kakav je rutinirani Red Bull i Verstappen bez obzira u kolikom padu oni bili trenutno.

Ok jeste silna zaliha nakrcana kad su bili apsolutno dominantni i nije se lako boriti sa nekim ko ne preza od sudara a da pritom ima bodovni suficit koji mu daje potpunu slobodu da radi sta hoce.

Ali sustinski ovo je McLarenu i Landu doslo prebrzo i nisu bili spremni na to.

Kao navijac se samo mogu nadati da ce ovo biti vrijedna skola i da ce naredne godine od prve trke drukcije krenuti. Uz Red Bull koji je izgubio mojo i Ferrari koji prije ili kasnije ocekuje gradjanski rat izmedju Lewisa i Leclerca, Mercedes koji ce pravu snagu pokazati tek kad ostanu bez Lewisa, mislim da se imam cemu nadati.

https://www.planetf1.com/features/brazi ... onclusions

Link za tekst, a evo c/p dijela oko McLarena:

McLaren’s inexperience has shown throughout F1 2024

It seemed almost too good to be true, Lando Norris on pole with a bunch of midfield cars directly behind and Max Verstappen down in 17th.

This USA/Mexico/Brazil/Vegas quartet always seemed likely to be decisive in the World Championship battle, each race carrying greater possibility for the variables to intervene – for the unexpected to happen – than the more routine affairs in store at the final two rounds in Qatar and Abu Dhabi.

Having taken the biggest chunk out of Verstappen’s points lead since Australia last weekend, right here was the chance of a lifetime for Lando.

Yet if it seems almost too good to be true, it usually is. Turns out it was.

The tone – the first sign this would not be far from as straightforward as the jumbled grid made it look – was set before the race even started, Norris pulling away for an additional formation lap when no signal of the sort had been given by Race Control.

A minor offence in the grand scheme of things, sure, but one ultimately falling under the banner of a safety issue and the sort of absent-minded slip up a driver in his position cannot afford to make.

Then came the call to pit not only as the VSC ended but right before the red flag, falling into the biggest trap of all – missing out on a free stop – during a wet race.

And then, finally, came the driving error to complete the set alongside the procedural and tactical ones, Norris sliding agonisingly wide at the first corner of the restart.

How to turn the chance of a lifetime into yet another missed opportunity in three simple steps, brought to you in association with Lando Norris and McLaren.

The way Norris’s day crumbled from such a promising start confirmed what has been plain since the McLaren emerged as the fastest car around the mid-season stage: this battle has come a little too soon for both team and driver.

It has been evident not just on track – the mistakes by the pit wall, the frailties of Norris in terms of temperament and in wheel-to-wheel battle with Verstappen – but in the way they have carried themselves too.

Or the lack of decisive leadership in enforcing team orders at Monza to ensure Piastri did not attack Norris on the opening lap, setting up an eyeball-to-eyeball tussle between them that allowed Charles Leclerc to shimmy past both.

Or the highly emotional responses of Zak Brown and Andrea Stella to Norris’s collision with Verstappen in Austria and their complete inability to get over it, when even Lando himself was able to view it in perspective after a couple of days of reflection.

Even Norris himself found himself snapping at a reporter after sprint qualifying in Brazil, his intolerance of a question about his title fight with Verstappen confirming those “mental weaknesses” Helmut Marko was unfairly criticised, with great predictability by Brown, for raising recently.
It is as though McLaren have tried too hard to present themselves as the new Mercedes, a serious and permanent threat to Red Bull, who are too wise at this stage to get sucked into such nonsense by a self-confessed “young team.”

“I’m not going to dignify that with an answer,” Christian Horner told media including PlanetF1.com back at Silverstone when informed of Brown’s complaints about Red Bull’s “nasty” tactics and “lack of respect” for the rules.

“Who’s Zak Brown?” added Verstappen with a smile to underline that the punches thrown by McLaren have barely landed.

A first Constructors’ title since 1998 will be a fitting reflection for the progress McLaren have made over recent years, albeit aided significantly by Sergio Perez’s lack of contribution alongside Verstappen.

Yet there is a convincing argument that Red Bull’s unusual mid-season slump in F1 2024 has elevated McLaren into a false position as far as their ambitions for a Drivers’ title – always the real prize in this sport – are concerned.

The higher you rise, the greater the intensity of the spotlight, the more cracks are identified. They are simply not ready.

And now that Drivers’ title has all but gone, the remaining races of this year have become what they were probably always meant to be – a chance to prepare for a more serious, sustained attempt next season.

This experience will prove valuable to them in time.

@Pandakonda
@DaysleepeR

[Samprotivsviju]

Pitanje je koliko ce vise Piastri dati pardona Norisu, eto odigrao je timsku ulogu ovaj zadnji dio sezone, idpunio timu zelje. Ali mislim da Landa ceka zestoka timska borba sa Oskarom sljedece sezone.

[PlusSA]

Kasno se Mclaren probudio oko Landa i Piastria te zamjene itd itd..

Veselo ce biti u Mclarenu pokazao je Piastri zube itekako Landu, onda Ferrari sa Leclerom i Hamiltonom ufff jedva cekam borbe u 2025 "timske"

Šta bi bilo kad bi bilo, da je juce Lando uspio zadržati prvo mjesto, možda bi cekao sa zamjenom guma dok Max ne ode pa docekao Red flag kao prvi.

[_BataZiv_0809]

I to je veliko pitanje slazem se.
Mada je Piastri nesto a la Sainz. Vozac 1.5.
Bude par vikenda dobar i to je to.
Samo sto je ove sezone, uz izuzetak Bakua, bio dobar u otkidanju Landovih bodova.

[izbjeglica_iz_besmisla]

Odlican clanak, ovaj gore

A sljedece godine ce Piastri pojesti Norrisa. Kao vozaci su tu negdje, al malac je mentalno jaci i pomalo ludji.

[DaysleepeR]

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Evo prenocilo je, strasti su se smirile, pa nesto hladnije glave mogu reci da isto mislim kao i jucer a planetf1 (Oliver Harden je autor, a za njih radi i jedan "naš" Uros Radovanovic koga takodjer rado citam) je to lijepo poslozio:

McLaren kao ekipa i Lando kao vozac su jos uvijek neiskusni i nedorasli velikom izazovu kakav je rutinirani Red Bull i Verstappen bez obzira u kolikom padu oni bili trenutno.

Ok jeste silna zaliha nakrcana kad su bili apsolutno dominantni i nije se lako boriti sa nekim ko ne preza od sudara a da pritom ima bodovni suficit koji mu daje potpunu slobodu da radi sta hoce.

Ali sustinski ovo je McLarenu i Landu doslo prebrzo i nisu bili spremni na to.

Kao navijac se samo mogu nadati da ce ovo biti vrijedna skola i da ce naredne godine od prve trke drukcije krenuti. Uz Red Bull koji je izgubio mojo i Ferrari koji prije ili kasnije ocekuje gradjanski rat izmedju Lewisa i Leclerca, Mercedes koji ce pravu snagu pokazati tek kad ostanu bez Lewisa, mislim da se imam cemu nadati.

https://www.planetf1.com/features/brazi ... onclusions

Link za tekst, a evo c/p dijela oko McLarena:

McLaren’s inexperience has shown throughout F1 2024

It seemed almost too good to be true, Lando Norris on pole with a bunch of midfield cars directly behind and Max Verstappen down in 17th.

This USA/Mexico/Brazil/Vegas quartet always seemed likely to be decisive in the World Championship battle, each race carrying greater possibility for the variables to intervene – for the unexpected to happen – than the more routine affairs in store at the final two rounds in Qatar and Abu Dhabi.

Having taken the biggest chunk out of Verstappen’s points lead since Australia last weekend, right here was the chance of a lifetime for Lando.

Yet if it seems almost too good to be true, it usually is. Turns out it was.

The tone – the first sign this would not be far from as straightforward as the jumbled grid made it look – was set before the race even started, Norris pulling away for an additional formation lap when no signal of the sort had been given by Race Control.

A minor offence in the grand scheme of things, sure, but one ultimately falling under the banner of a safety issue and the sort of absent-minded slip up a driver in his position cannot afford to make.

Then came the call to pit not only as the VSC ended but right before the red flag, falling into the biggest trap of all – missing out on a free stop – during a wet race.

And then, finally, came the driving error to complete the set alongside the procedural and tactical ones, Norris sliding agonisingly wide at the first corner of the restart.

How to turn the chance of a lifetime into yet another missed opportunity in three simple steps, brought to you in association with Lando Norris and McLaren.

The way Norris’s day crumbled from such a promising start confirmed what has been plain since the McLaren emerged as the fastest car around the mid-season stage: this battle has come a little too soon for both team and driver.

It has been evident not just on track – the mistakes by the pit wall, the frailties of Norris in terms of temperament and in wheel-to-wheel battle with Verstappen – but in the way they have carried themselves too.

Or the lack of decisive leadership in enforcing team orders at Monza to ensure Piastri did not attack Norris on the opening lap, setting up an eyeball-to-eyeball tussle between them that allowed Charles Leclerc to shimmy past both.

Or the highly emotional responses of Zak Brown and Andrea Stella to Norris’s collision with Verstappen in Austria and their complete inability to get over it, when even Lando himself was able to view it in perspective after a couple of days of reflection.

Even Norris himself found himself snapping at a reporter after sprint qualifying in Brazil, his intolerance of a question about his title fight with Verstappen confirming those “mental weaknesses” Helmut Marko was unfairly criticised, with great predictability by Brown, for raising recently.
It is as though McLaren have tried too hard to present themselves as the new Mercedes, a serious and permanent threat to Red Bull, who are too wise at this stage to get sucked into such nonsense by a self-confessed “young team.”

“I’m not going to dignify that with an answer,” Christian Horner told media including PlanetF1.com back at Silverstone when informed of Brown’s complaints about Red Bull’s “nasty” tactics and “lack of respect” for the rules.

“Who’s Zak Brown?” added Verstappen with a smile to underline that the punches thrown by McLaren have barely landed.

A first Constructors’ title since 1998 will be a fitting reflection for the progress McLaren have made over recent years, albeit aided significantly by Sergio Perez’s lack of contribution alongside Verstappen.

Yet there is a convincing argument that Red Bull’s unusual mid-season slump in F1 2024 has elevated McLaren into a false position as far as their ambitions for a Drivers’ title – always the real prize in this sport – are concerned.

The higher you rise, the greater the intensity of the spotlight, the more cracks are identified. They are simply not ready.

And now that Drivers’ title has all but gone, the remaining races of this year have become what they were probably always meant to be – a chance to prepare for a more serious, sustained attempt next season.

This experience will prove valuable to them in time.

@Pandakonda
@DaysleepeR

Upravo pročitah tekst na planetf1, sve se slažem.

Naredna sezona će nadam se biti neizvjesna i napeta od početka.

[beco]

Oscar je ove godine, uzimajući obzir iskustva i godine jako jako dobar, od Monze je 100% timski igrač.

Nije sve na Landu krivica, mislim da je njegov najveći problem psiha, Mcl je toliko prosipao bodova, onda tek sad vidiš koliko je Mađarska van pameti bila.

2025 ce biti jako zanimljiva, ne samo Oscar/Lando Lec/Ham već i sutuacija oko Per, volio bih da Horner bude hrabar i dovede ili Law ili Sainza umjesto Per da malo Max bude pod pritiskom.

I Antoneli će biti interesantan, šta ako se postavi kao Oscar ove sezone.

[omega369]

Slazem se da je sve ovo doslo Landu brzo. Ali, nije on vozac bez iskustva. Godinama je na gridu. Niko od njega ne trazi da izvodi cuda. Jednostavno, krenes sa pola sa najjacim bolidom i ne zavrsis 5-6. Zar je to toliko tesko?! Pri tome tvoj timski ne statira u kukuruzu nego bi trebao da sa istim takvim bolidom doprinosi necemu, a slabo cemu doprinosi

A sto se tice kvalifikacija o maxu, valjda bi vozac koji je u stanju da izvede ono sto je on izveo jucer, a sto nije u stanju da izvede 99% vozaca ne sadasnjih, nego u historiji, zasluzio vise od "nekoga ko se ne preza sudarati". E toliko je lik realan, bas kao i sam Lando koji krivi srecu sto nije u stanju preteci nekoga 30 krugova.

Lando se treba prvo uozbiljiti i prestati glumiti placljivog tinejdzera koji se hrani empatijama

[DaysleepeR]

Mađarska je poništena ovim u Brazilu, nema se potrebe više o njoj pričati.

Ono što Landu nikako ne ide je što ga je timski kolega dva puta pustio ovaj vikend, a najgore što tim ništa dobili nisu.
Mislim da će bilo kakvo naredno pregovaranje oko timskih odredbi sa Piastrijem i njegovim menadžerom biti mislena imenica.

[Pandakonda]

Slazem se sigurno da im je borba dosla bas naglo. U kratkom roku si od borbe sa Alpinom za sredinu dosao do toga da si konkurentan za titulu. A za Norrisa je jos gore jer je u rasponu od jedne godine ostvario prvu pobjedu u karijeri i dobio priliku da se bori za sam vrh.

Mislim da ono sto najvise frustrira Norrisa je za pocetak sto zna da naredne godine starta od 0 protiv Piastria, i da nece biti timskih komandi njemu u korist ako Piastri stekne prednost naspram njega sto ovaj sigurno moze. Također zna da Red Bull kakav god da je, sigurno ce se regrupisati naredne sezone i mozda nece biti slabi kao sto su sada. Pogotovo ako promjene drugog vozaca. Onda također vidi da se Ferrari dize i da im puse za vratom, plus dolazi Lewis sto znaci da mu se konkurencija povecava. Ne vjerujem da puno razmislja o Mercedesu ali su i oni krenuli dobrom putanjom i mogu otkinuti par pobjeda. Ovo mu je u sustini bila idealna prilika za titulu kada se uzme u obzir sta se sve poklopilo i sam je svjestan toga da se takve prilike ne otvaraju često. Ali nažalost ni on, niti mclaren je nisu iskoristili osim za konstruktora gdje im i tu opet Ferrari visi za vratom da ih mogu uzeti.

I na samom kraju zna da je naredna godina zadnja godina novih regulacija gdje su konkurentni dok je 2026 misterija za svakoga gdje se svasta moze desiti. Ali slazem se sigurno sa zakljuckom da ce ovo goditi McLarenu kao ekipi da malo sazriju. Samo valjda neće ponavljati iste greske

[_BataZiv_0809]

Upravo to.
U svakom narednom pregovoru ce Piastri/Webber reci sta je sta hos jesmo te pustili u Brazilu....

Ovo je tacno implozija po receptu Ferrarija iz Vettel-Arivabenne ere.

Singapur 2017. i Hokenhajm (lakse mi je po Vuku) Monza 2018. skoro pa preslikani u odredjenim aspektima.

Tad je Lewis prelomio te sezone ko jucer Max ovu.

[omega369]

Meni su u svemu ovome ipak najgore njegove izjave poslije utrke. Dao je tri za razlicite kanale i ne znas koja je debilnija. Ok, pogodilo te, naravno da ce pogoditi svakoga bi, ali ipak daj milimetar realnosti. Nisam imao srece i to je to.

Pa sine dragi, nije valjda da zbog srece nisi zadrzao prvo mjesto na startu, po ko zna koji put. Pa zbog srece nisi nikoga mogao preteci 69 krugova. Pa na svakom restaru si zbog srece gubio pozicije

[zlaataan]

Voljeli ga ili ne, ali ovo je bio Masterclass u režiji Maxa Verstappena.
Peti put u historiji F1 da vozač uzme pobjedu sa P17 ili lošijeg mjesta na gridu.

Izgleda jedini Lando ne shvata koliko je to teško, sudeći po njegovim izjavama za medije.

[DaysleepeR]

Max je generalno stravično dobro izgledao ovaj vikend uprkos svim pehovima da ih tako nazovemo, ja nisam pristalica teorija zavjere.
Da nije bilo VSC-a u sprintu, bilo bi gusto za pobjedu između njega i Landa, on je imao Piastria pred sami VSC...
Izgledao je top i u kvalifikacijama, ali red flag. Na kraju je uradio ovo što je uradio.
Lando je svo vrijeme imao problem drugih vozača koji su u dobroj formi, Leclerca, Sainza, Russel-a...
Borba za WDC-a je opasna psihološka igra gdje moraš biti na najboljem nivou iz trke u trku a to ne može svako.
Pitanje je da li Norris, Leclerc, Russel uopšte imaju takav nivo stabilnosti u sebi.

[beco]

Russel ima stabilnost, Lec nema konzistentnost čovjek toliko on the edg da će ili magiju pokazati ili izletiti sa staze.

Ne kažem da nije pritisak na Landu, ali Mcl je značajno bi brži u Interlagosu min 300 ms i trebao je i morao je pobijediti sa 30s prednosti. Na njegovu veliku žalost pala je kiša i tu se pokazalo ko je legenda na mokrom.

[omega369]

Sjetite se leclerca i francuske 2022.

[beco]

Dosta puta je tako Lec puco, Sainz je mnogo stabilniji ali ne i brži vozač.