Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
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#47076 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Novi snimci borbe
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#47077 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
U pravu si, de vidi sa mulama, ako moze za forumskog jarana da hamas ovoliko ne pobjedjuje, kako cu ako Izrael izgubi ne znam ni sam
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#47078 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
ragib wrote: ↑04/01/2024 23:59Iranu I njihovim frakcijama je stalo do mira, jer je iran nadomak atomske bombe. To ce dosta toga promjeniti kad se desi. Zato izrael svim silama pokusava da uvuce iran u sukob dok imaju I teoretsku sansu da nekako sprijeci iran u tome. Zato hezbollah ne napada, jer hezbollah bi trebao kada iran napravi atomsku da posluzi za ulazak pjesadije u izrael.General War wrote: ↑04/01/2024 23:51Ne sjedi ona u Gazi vec u Tel Avivu...sto bi nosila tamo oruzje ako su arapi protjerani u izraelu?skupljac_zeljeza wrote: ↑04/01/2024 23:34
Hem će ovako živjeti do kraja života nosajući pušku ili pištolj. E jesu se usrećili i nakon 75 godina okupacije. I malo pukne...frka...panika. Šta da im Hezbollah iz svog arsenala pošalje roj raketa Fatah 110?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/t6WzEUYALLM
A sto hezbolah ne posalje? sta ga sprecava?


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#47079 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Ja lijepo napisah da zena sjedi u studiju u tel Avivu a ti ko pokvarena ploca.skupljac_zeljeza wrote: ↑05/01/2024 00:01Nose oružje jer su na okupiranom palestinskom teritoriju. Oni su okupatori koji su u ratu sa pokretima otpora od kako su se tu naselili.General War wrote: ↑04/01/2024 23:51Ne sjedi ona u Gazi vec u Tel Avivu...sto bi nosila tamo oruzje ako su arapi protjerani u izraelu?skupljac_zeljeza wrote: ↑04/01/2024 23:34
Hem će ovako živjeti do kraja života nosajući pušku ili pištolj. E jesu se usrećili i nakon 75 godina okupacije. I malo pukne...frka...panika. Šta da im Hezbollah iz svog arsenala pošalje roj raketa Fatah 110?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/t6WzEUYALLM
A sto hezbolah ne posalje? sta ga sprecava?
Hezbollah je slao i do sada, ali vide da ove tvoje djeceubice ne poštuju nikakva pravila ratovanja i da im je najdraže pobiti civile i porušiti im stanove. Cionisti na gradove sa civilnim stanovništvom bacaju glupe bombe od 950 kg. Na Gazi su koristili samo 40% navođenih raketa, a sve ostalo neselektivno ubijali i razbijali.
Jedini gluplji od takvih bombi su novinari sto ovako objasne stvar a ne razumiju se u vojne pojmove ko "Rada u onu stvar"...onda bi makar znali za "CCIP"
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#47080 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Poluinformacija je cudo...Sjoberg su pitali je li ikada srela bivšeg premijera Izraela Ehuda Baraka.
Rekla je da nije, dodajući da nikada nije srela "bilo kojeg stranog predsjednika ili nobelovca".
Cak i u tekstu gdje se detaljnije govori o svemu, ogromna vecina ljudi nije otisla dalje od naslova, ali je dala sebi za pravo da komentarise.
Jos se hvale doslovno: jos jedna teorija zavjere se pokazala tacnom, dok ste sve vrijeme ismijavali krezube ravnozemljase...
O ironijo, o cendleru, sto nisi ziv da vidis ovo...
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#47081 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
jel ti to ozbiljno? pa nece prici tenku i praviti selfi, haj budi realan, ovo je rat, ne video igrica, unisti lik tek i naravno ide na sigurno, ali da dodam, ponavljam ja sam do sad vidio 3-4 ubijena hamasovca od strane terorista IDF-a dok sam bar preko 40 terorista IDF-a vidio ubijena od strane hamasa, nisi odgovorio, da li ti je ok ubiti preko 8 hiljada djece, da li je to ciljano, jer ako u ukrajni za dvije godine nesto malo preko 1000 djece je ubijeno, dalje, koliko je talaca do sad teroristicki IDF-a oslobodio? ja koliko znam vise je pobio nego oslobodio, dalje, na festivalu sedmog oktobra, kazu da je polovinu ubijenih ubio teroristicki IDF, cak sve vise se to dokazuje, da li ti je ok(imas snimke) da teroristi IDF-a snajperom ubijaju 13-godisnjeg djecaka, da li ti je to ok i to na zapadjoj obali, da li je to ratni zlocin? da li je ratni zlocin i genocid za 90 dana bombardovanja ubiti preko 22 hiljade ljudi, da li je genocid prisilno premjestanje stanovnistva, i bombardovanje izbjeglickih kampova? gdje ona prica o bebama? niko jos nije vidio te sliike ni snimke, sta kazes na one sminke gdje teroristi IDF-a placu i cvile? ili na broj da blizu 1000 IDF terorista vraceno u sanduku, blizu 3 hiljde ranjeno, da li je genocid to sto tzv Izrel zeli (tako javno pricaju) da raseli sve palestince sa njihove teritorije? jel zelis da ti sad nabrajam slicnosti nacista i terorista IDF-a i jednu stvar moras da znas, ako ja recimo mrzim izrael, ne znaci da mrzim jevreje, ti ovdje uporno raji lijepis to da neko kad kaze da ne voli ili mrzi izrael, mrzi jevreje, jel to znaci da ako ja kazem da mrzim rusiju da mrzim pravoslavce, grijesis, tj namjerno grijesis, ali pretpostvaljam da neces odgovoriti ili da ces odgovoriti na pitanja koja tebi odgovaraju, tj da ces vecinu preskocitisumirprimus wrote: ↑04/01/2024 20:01 Nagledasmo se ovih klipova al vazda isjeku poslije opaljenja, nema ko u ukrajini da geldamo kako lete u nebo, toliko o ovoj palivud propagandi. I onda ide prica o pobedi ko na kosovu polju hehe
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#47082 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
po toj logici skoro svi njemci su fasiti, jer realno koliko je njemaca tj oceva i djedova od danasnjih njemaca bilo u vojsci fasisticke njemacke,Bullet Tooth Tony wrote: ↑04/01/2024 22:33Znaci svi palestinci = hamas i zato treba gejocid nad svim palestincima ?General War wrote: ↑04/01/2024 22:22...da, samo da dokazu da je Hamas dosao s marsaswanfilter wrote: ↑04/01/2024 22:20 Jel se Palestinci mogu vratiti kucama? Citam, sjever je oslobođen Hamasa
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#47083 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Pa normalno da hodaju naoruzani kad znaju svi kakvi su pacijenti u IDF i oko njega, a vecina ih je prosla kroz taj sistem. Pogledaj onog celavog tamo iza nje, i ja bih u njegovom drustvu utoku spremio. Ne boji se ona Hamasa u Tel Avivu, ali zna od cega vreba opasnost.
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#47084 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Pa to je jedino sto je uspjesno. I hrvati su otjerali srbe iz tzv srpske krajine i sad vise nemaju problema. Spanci otjerali arape i sad vise nemaju problema. Zazmiris i progledas kroz prste jednoj generaciji i onda kazes: pa oni su tako uradili, stas. Beograd je nekad imao 12 velikih dzamija. Vise ih nema. Nema ih ni Bijeljina i Banja Luka.Haris.ba wrote: ↑04/01/2024 23:56Mislim da je Amerika protjerivala sa Kinezima Japance iz Kine. Oko milion Japanaca.
A, poslije Drugog Svjetskog nad Njemcima je pocinjeno mislim najvece etnicko ciscenje. Nekih 15ak miliona Njemaca je protjerano od komunistickih zemalja.
Gledajuci i etnicko ciscenje u Bosni - to se pokazalo kao rjesenje jer su narodi sa odredjenih podrucja pometeni tako da je ispunjen zlocinacki plan da se sustinski promjenila etnicka struktura da povratak na staro vise nije izgledan.
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#47085 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Jesi li dobar u glavu ?General War wrote: ↑04/01/2024 23:06Prvo dokazi genocid, a drugo- a ko mislis da je u redovima Hamasa?Bullet Tooth Tony wrote: ↑04/01/2024 22:33Znaci svi palestinci = hamas i zato treba gejocid nad svim palestincima ?
Sta od ovogs nije pocinio Izrael i xa sve imas dokaze i to sa IDF strane ... za zadnju stavku juce gledam video kako IDF vojnik, na hebrejskom, govori kako je uzeo neku bebu i odveo je u izrael
A mental element: the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such"; and
A physical element, which includes the following five acts, enumerated exhaustively:
Killing members of the group
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
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#47086 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
https://www.klix.ba/vijesti/svijet/kako ... /240105003
Kad je krenula agresija, Genocidni Joe je izasao pred medije i da smiri javnost pa izjavio:" nakon kraja specijalne vojne operacije Izraela napravit cemo dvije drzave, Izrael i Palestinu".
https://www.klix.ba/vijesti/svijet/bide ... /231026003
Onda je uletio sajber sa svojim hvalospjevima za SAD i kako ce samo na kraju uvijek pronaci pravo rijesenje jer su na pravoj strani historiji i znaju sta rade iako ponekad lutaju. Onda je uletila tuzlanska dvojka sa pricom da ce biti med i mlijeko samo kad Hamas nestane.
I sta bi.. gdje te dvije drzave. Stap, kanafa i mrkva. Tako isto nas vuku za EU, nikad Palestina nece biti drzava niti ce Bosna u EU.. u svakom slucaju dok je ovakav svjetski poredak.
Novi planovi, novi lazni planovi.Razgovor o "danu poslije" u Gazi doveo je do dubokog neslaganja u Izraelu. Ministar odbrane Yoav Gallant je iznio prijedloge za buduću upravu Gazom nakon završetka rata, međutim mnogi se ne slažu sa predloženim.
Kad je krenula agresija, Genocidni Joe je izasao pred medije i da smiri javnost pa izjavio:" nakon kraja specijalne vojne operacije Izraela napravit cemo dvije drzave, Izrael i Palestinu".
Biden: Nema povratka na status quo, nakon rata u Gazi mora biti formirana Država Palestina
https://www.klix.ba/vijesti/svijet/bide ... /231026003
Onda je uletio sajber sa svojim hvalospjevima za SAD i kako ce samo na kraju uvijek pronaci pravo rijesenje jer su na pravoj strani historiji i znaju sta rade iako ponekad lutaju. Onda je uletila tuzlanska dvojka sa pricom da ce biti med i mlijeko samo kad Hamas nestane.
I sta bi.. gdje te dvije drzave. Stap, kanafa i mrkva. Tako isto nas vuku za EU, nikad Palestina nece biti drzava niti ce Bosna u EU.. u svakom slucaju dok je ovakav svjetski poredak.
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https://www.klix.ba/vijesti/svijet/tvor ... /240105019
sto ih navlace
kaze de progovorite koju slobodno, pa da vas na spisak odmah, cim se prvi put trziste zaljulja svi vani
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sto ih navlace
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#47088 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
-Ja tebe jedno pitam, ti drugo odgovaras...ne znam ko se treba sikirat za mentalno zdravlje ovdje.Bullet Tooth Tony wrote: ↑05/01/2024 07:05Jesi li dobar u glavu ?General War wrote: ↑04/01/2024 23:06Prvo dokazi genocid, a drugo- a ko mislis da je u redovima Hamasa?Bullet Tooth Tony wrote: ↑04/01/2024 22:33
Znaci svi palestinci = hamas i zato treba gejocid nad svim palestincima ?
Sta od ovogs nije pocinio Izrael i xa sve imas dokaze i to sa IDF strane ... za zadnju stavku juce gledam video kako IDF vojnik, na hebrejskom, govori kako je uzeo neku bebu i odveo je u izrael
A mental element: the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such"; and
A physical element, which includes the following five acts, enumerated exhaustively:
Killing members of the group
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group
-Svaki zlocin ima definiciju, ali je moras dokazati da se desila na opisani nacin ne meni vec pred sudom.
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#47089 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Bliski istok je na rubu velikog regionalnog rata
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#47090 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Pa Njemačka je započela WW II i kao poražena strana prolazila kroz različite procese što nametnute što samospoznajne katarze.Haris.ba wrote: ↑04/01/2024 23:56Mislim da je Amerika protjerivala sa Kinezima Japance iz Kine. Oko milion Japanaca.
A, poslije Drugog Svjetskog nad Njemcima je pocinjeno mislim najvece etnicko ciscenje. Nekih 15ak miliona Njemaca je protjerano od komunistickih zemalja.
Gledajuci i etnicko ciscenje u Bosni - to se pokazalo kao rjesenje jer su narodi sa odredjenih podrucja pometeni tako da je ispunjen zlocinacki plan da se sustinski promjenila etnicka struktura da povratak na staro vise nije izgledan.
u Bosni je etničko čiščenje između ostaloga okarakterisano kao Genocid.
Situacija je ovdje malo specifična, jer je etničko čiščenje ostalo zacementirano ustavim uređenjem (2 entiteta) ali i dijelom devalvirano uvođenjem Aneksa 7. Danas su stvari tu gdje jesu dijelom zbog nikad eliminisanog nacionalizma i velikodržavnih ideja, ali i dobrim dijelom zbog korupcije, lopovluka, zloupotrebe donacija, nedostatka jasne strategije kod na prvom mjestu Bošnjaka, obzirom da nisu iskoršteni svi mehanizmi koji su mogli doprinjeti kakvom takvom povratku i eliminaciji posljedica etničkog čiščenja.
I za Njemačku i za Bosnu je karakteristično da se ipak nije radilo o premještanju kompletnog stanovništva u treće zemlje pa čak i na druge kontinente, već su ljudi mogli da ostanu unutar granica države (Bosna), ili se vrate u matičnu državu (Njemačka). Mislim da su daleko najveća etnička čiščenja nekoj novijoj povijesti počinjena u SSSR-u od strane Staljina pa je N. Hruščov koliko toliko to ublažio uvodeći rehabilitaciju za sve etničke skupine.
Na kraju, kod nas je ipak moguće da ja kupim stan u Lukavici i odem da živim tamo, ili da Aco iz Petrovića kupi stan na Grbavici i ostane da živi tu. Mislim da rješenja desničarskih krugova u Knesset-u ipak ne podrazumjevaju takva prava za prosječnog Palestinca iz Gaze.
Kontrolirano puštanje izjava cionističkih drekavaca u javnost o preseljenju Palestinaca u treće zemlje je samo probni balon, idealna prilika da se vidi reakcija svjetske javnosti i establišmenta kako bi isti mogli reagovati na mnogo veće megalomanske projekte prekrajanja granica, masovnih ubojstava i protjerivanja.
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#47092 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Samo da je istina
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#47093 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
kULT SMRTI NEMA DRUGOG OBJASNJENJA, oni imaju neke mrtve izraelce zarobljene jos iz 2014 15te.By JERUSALEM POST STAFF
Tamir Adar, a 38-year-old resident of Kibbutz Nir Oz who was taken hostage by Hamas, was murdered, his kibbutz announced.
His grandmother, Yaffa Adar, is an 85-year-old released hostage. Adar's body is held in Gaza, according to Army Radio.
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#47094 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
dakle jasno ko dan da se hamasovci krecu sistemom tunela, koji je razgranat haman pa do te mjere, da je cilj prekinut konekciju izmedju sjevera i juga.Israel Radar
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IDF engaged in engineering work to cut off southern Gaza tunnel system from northern Gaza; terror chiefs hiding in pre-selected areas that are very hard to reach; Israeli special forces continue to advance inside khan Younis tunnels. via
@MaarivOnline
onda je logicno da hamasovci imaju i tunel ispod rafe i da mogu uteci kad pozele.
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#47095 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Stvarno? Ne znamo mi kako je to.sumirprimus wrote: ↑05/01/2024 10:14kULT SMRTI NEMA DRUGOG OBJASNJENJA, oni imaju neke mrtve izraelce zarobljene jos iz 2014 15te.By JERUSALEM POST STAFF
Tamir Adar, a 38-year-old resident of Kibbutz Nir Oz who was taken hostage by Hamas, was murdered, his kibbutz announced.
His grandmother, Yaffa Adar, is an 85-year-old released hostage. Adar's body is held in Gaza, according to Army Radio.st agod vi ovde pricali, valja ovo imat za susjeda
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#47096 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Not Hamas or Israel: Who will run post-war Gaza? IDF plans revealed
While The Jerusalem Post previously reported that top defense officials want local Gazan Palestinians to run Gaza once the IDF starts to withdraw, this was only part of the picture.
By YONAH JEREMY BOB, TOVAH LAZAROFF
JANUARY 4, 2024 21:02
Updated: JANUARY 5, 2024 10:39
Zanimljiv tekst Jp... o gazi nakon zavrsetka rata.
Cijeli tekst ispod...
Dakle kada se procita tekst, jasno je da izrael nema namjeru kolonizirat igazu, niti izvrsiti etnicko ciscenje, jos jedna u moru manipulacija da bi se spasio obraz hamasu, koji je pa iskljucen iz svake post war jednacine. Dakleeralno stanje na terenu i ono sto i ovde citamo dva su sviejta razlicita.
A tek ona prica o genocidu, jebte led i to jos ovde u bosni, kako olako koristimo i devalviramo tu rijec
While The Jerusalem Post previously reported that top defense officials want local Gazan Palestinians to run Gaza once the IDF starts to withdraw, this was only part of the picture.
By YONAH JEREMY BOB, TOVAH LAZAROFF
JANUARY 4, 2024 21:02
Updated: JANUARY 5, 2024 10:39
Zanimljiv tekst Jp... o gazi nakon zavrsetka rata.
“Hamas will not rule Gaza,” said Gallant in a press briefing before the meeting, “and Israel will not hold a civilian governorship over Gaza.”The plan, however, focused on the integration of existing Palestinian civilian leadership in Gaza into a more substantial local government.
The US wants a reformed Palestinian Authority to govern Gaza and to advance a two-state resolution to the conflict.
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Local Palestinians would govern Gaza after the war with the help of an International coalition, which would also provide internal security, according to a plan presented to the war cabinet and the security cabinet on Thursday.
“Hamas will not rule Gaza,” said Gallant in a press briefing before the meeting, “and Israel will not hold a civilian governorship over Gaza.”
The defense establishment and Gallant also do not completely disqualify the Palestinian Authority from playing some role, though the defense minister would prefer to minimize its role or only give it a role if aspects of its policies toward Israel improve.
he plan, however, focused on the integration of existing Palestinian civilian leadership in Gaza into a more substantial local government.
Strategic Affairs Minister Ron Dermer was also expected to brief the cabinet on details of a plan that he presented to US officials last month.
The cabinet meetings, which mark the most substantive and broadest debate yet on plans for Gaza after the war, comes in advance of a visit next week by US Secretary of State Antony Blinken.
After departing the US on Thursday, he is expected to travel to Türkiye; Crete, Greece; Amman, Jordan; Doha, Qatar; Abu Dhabi, the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia. No exact schedule was published.
he US and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government have been at odds over plans for the day after. The US wants a reformed Palestinian Authority to govern Gaza and to advance a two-state resolution to the conflict.
Netanyahu has insisted that it must be an entirely new and reformed Palestinian entity. His government also wants to close the crossings from Israel into Gaza, replacing them with a land passage through the Rafah crossing from Egypt and a sea route originating in Cyprus.
US State Department spokesman Matthew Miller said, “What we want to see achieved long term is a reunited West Bank and Gaza under Palestinian-led governance.” He explained that this is the vision Blinken will advance when talking to Israelis during his visit.
Palestinian Authority's role to be minimized
While The Jerusalem Post previously reported that top defense officials want local Gazan Palestinians to run Gaza once the IDF starts to withdraw, this was only part of the picture, with the remainder of the picture involving the US, the EU, and moderate Sunni allies.
Essentially, the concept of the defense establishment, which includes Gallant, is that eventually, more and more civil administration should be handled by local Gazans without Hamas loyalties themselves, but that this will not be possible all at once.
In some undefined transitional period, the IDF will retain broad security responsibility, including over the borders and with authority to conduct raids, but some hybrid mix of forces provided by the US, European allies, and Arab allies, such as the Saudis, Egypt, the UAE and others will assist with aspects of internal security and administration.
Only once the residents get their bearings, have more stable residences and lives, and appear ready to stand on their own if facing minor challenges from remnants of Hamas and other terror groups would the international conglomerate of countries yield more management to the local groups.
Netanyahu has avoided public debates on these issues and has mostly talked about what he is against: Such as no involvement by the PA.
However, the US, the EU, and the moderate Arab states may not agree to participate and provide funding, which could leave Israel stuck if Jerusalem does not show flexibility.
Further, Israel may be going to elections, in which case officials like Minister Benny Gantz, who appear more open to the PA and global suggested solutions in general, may end up deciding the issue.
It is also unclear how Israel will select Gazans who are truly disconnected from Hamas after the terror group’s 16-year rule, but Gallant is confident that groups can be found or formed.
At the State Department Miler said, “You will see us pushing additional steps on what Gaza should look like at the end of the conflict.”
“We have been working very hard in this building, throughout the administration, and quietly with allies and partners throughout the world on what the day after should look like.”
“Those are going to be some of the toughest conversions, of course, but we are ready to pursue them,” he said.
While Blinken is in Israel, Miller said he will also discuss the importance of increasing the transit and distribution of humanitarian assistance to Gaza, including the creation of a deconfliction mechanism for the delivery of that aid.
The State Department added that Blinken will also underscore the importance of protecting Palestinian civilians and ensuring that Palestinians are not “forcibly displaced” from Gaza.
The promotion of a deal to secure the release of the hostages remaining in Gaza is also on his agenda, as is ensuring that the conflict doesn’t widen to include Hezbollah in Lebanon.
At each of his stops, Blinken will also speak about the importance of stopping Houthi attacks against Red Sea shipping routes
“Hamas will not rule Gaza,” said Gallant in a press briefing before the meeting, “and Israel will not hold a civilian governorship over Gaza.”
The defense establishment and Gallant also do not completely disqualify the Palestinian Authority from playing some role, though the defense minister would prefer to minimize its role or only give it a role if aspects of its policies toward Israel improve.
he plan, however, focused on the integration of existing Palestinian civilian leadership in Gaza into a more substantial local government.
Strategic Affairs Minister Ron Dermer was also expected to brief the cabinet on details of a plan that he presented to US officials last month.
The cabinet meetings, which mark the most substantive and broadest debate yet on plans for Gaza after the war, comes in advance of a visit next week by US Secretary of State Antony Blinken.
After departing the US on Thursday, he is expected to travel to Türkiye; Crete, Greece; Amman, Jordan; Doha, Qatar; Abu Dhabi, the United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia. No exact schedule was published.
he US and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government have been at odds over plans for the day after. The US wants a reformed Palestinian Authority to govern Gaza and to advance a two-state resolution to the conflict.
Netanyahu has insisted that it must be an entirely new and reformed Palestinian entity. His government also wants to close the crossings from Israel into Gaza, replacing them with a land passage through the Rafah crossing from Egypt and a sea route originating in Cyprus.
US State Department spokesman Matthew Miller said, “What we want to see achieved long term is a reunited West Bank and Gaza under Palestinian-led governance.” He explained that this is the vision Blinken will advance when talking to Israelis during his visit.
Palestinian Authority's role to be minimized
While The Jerusalem Post previously reported that top defense officials want local Gazan Palestinians to run Gaza once the IDF starts to withdraw, this was only part of the picture, with the remainder of the picture involving the US, the EU, and moderate Sunni allies.
Essentially, the concept of the defense establishment, which includes Gallant, is that eventually, more and more civil administration should be handled by local Gazans without Hamas loyalties themselves, but that this will not be possible all at once.
In some undefined transitional period, the IDF will retain broad security responsibility, including over the borders and with authority to conduct raids, but some hybrid mix of forces provided by the US, European allies, and Arab allies, such as the Saudis, Egypt, the UAE and others will assist with aspects of internal security and administration.
Only once the residents get their bearings, have more stable residences and lives, and appear ready to stand on their own if facing minor challenges from remnants of Hamas and other terror groups would the international conglomerate of countries yield more management to the local groups.
Netanyahu has avoided public debates on these issues and has mostly talked about what he is against: Such as no involvement by the PA.
However, the US, the EU, and the moderate Arab states may not agree to participate and provide funding, which could leave Israel stuck if Jerusalem does not show flexibility.
Further, Israel may be going to elections, in which case officials like Minister Benny Gantz, who appear more open to the PA and global suggested solutions in general, may end up deciding the issue.
It is also unclear how Israel will select Gazans who are truly disconnected from Hamas after the terror group’s 16-year rule, but Gallant is confident that groups can be found or formed.
At the State Department Miler said, “You will see us pushing additional steps on what Gaza should look like at the end of the conflict.”
“We have been working very hard in this building, throughout the administration, and quietly with allies and partners throughout the world on what the day after should look like.”
“Those are going to be some of the toughest conversions, of course, but we are ready to pursue them,” he said.
While Blinken is in Israel, Miller said he will also discuss the importance of increasing the transit and distribution of humanitarian assistance to Gaza, including the creation of a deconfliction mechanism for the delivery of that aid.
The State Department added that Blinken will also underscore the importance of protecting Palestinian civilians and ensuring that Palestinians are not “forcibly displaced” from Gaza.
The promotion of a deal to secure the release of the hostages remaining in Gaza is also on his agenda, as is ensuring that the conflict doesn’t widen to include Hezbollah in Lebanon.
At each of his stops, Blinken will also speak about the importance of stopping Houthi attacks against Red Sea shipping routes
A tek ona prica o genocidu, jebte led i to jos ovde u bosni, kako olako koristimo i devalviramo tu rijec
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- Bosanski_kralj
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#47097 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Pripremaju ražanj, a zec u šumi.
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plavi_E
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#47098 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Interesantno kako ovi Izraelci okrecu pricu svako dan-dva. Od price Kongo pristao da primi Palestince do ostaje sve po starom ali eto nece biti Hamasa. A zbog masakriranja civila u gazi ideologija Hamasa nikad jaca i sirit ce se i van palestinskog naroda. Sto u prvom redu prestavlja veliku opasnot po nekakve kraljeve, princeve i princeze u regionu.
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plavi_E
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#47099 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Interesantno je i toda se je promjena price izraelskih vodja poklopila sa momentom povlacenja najmodernijeg americkog nosaca aviona iz regiona. Dolazak tog nosaca je bila poruka ali izgleda da je i odlazak takodje poruka.
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plavi_E
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#47100 Re: Izrael je opet pocinio zlocin!
Nego sta je sa Netanjauom? Sva ova komunikacija sa svijetom od strane Izraela ide nekako bez njega. Drugi daju izjave u javnost a on se usutio. A do skoro niko nije mogao doci do rijeci od njega. Je li mu se vratio sin sa plaze na Floridi?
