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#138476 Re: Ukrajina

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agent_zero wrote: 13/12/2022 09:45
Rothmans wrote: 12/12/2022 19:37

Nije nam stalo.
Meni jeste, a tebi ako nije, seli gdje ti je stalo.
Tu sam ja i u vecini sam
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#138477 Re: Ukrajina

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Čitalac wrote: 13/12/2022 07:02 Nakon Macronove izjave da bi Evropa morala da pruži Rusiji „sigurnosne garancije“, Češka, Estonija, Letonija, Litvanija, Poljska i Slovačka uputile su juče zvanični demarš Parizu, prenosi Reuters.
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Baltic states and other European nations upset at comments made by French President Emmanuel Macron regarding security guarantees for Russia formally lodged disapproval and explained their position to France on Monday, diplomats said. In an interview with French TV station TF1 on Dec. 3, Macron said Europe needed to prepare its future security architecture and also think "how to give guarantees to Russia the day it returns to the negotiating table."
Those comments were immediately rebuked by Ukraine and Baltic states. While the French presidency and foreign ministry have sought to play them down, the anger appears to not have dissipated in some circles. The Czech Republic, which holds the EU Council presidency, helped organize support for the formal diplomatic representation, known as a "demarche".
Supporters of the demarche included the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, along with Poland and Slovakia , two diplomats said. Reuters was not able to establish how many countries in total supported the move, or whether the Czechs supported it.
The Czech Republic last week distributed a draft demarche, known as a non paper, to EU members in their capitals, the three European diplomats said. The diplomats said the paper argued that previous Russian efforts regarding European security architecture aimed to divide and weaken Europe. The non-paper listed aspects of cooperation and dialogue with Russia, ranging from a 1997 NATO-Russsia document to proposals from December, 2021 that included guarantees demanded by Russia, the diplomats said.
Two diplomats said the Czechs, along with several other member state representatives, delivered the finalized demarche to the French foreign ministry's Director of Continental Europe on Monday. Speaking to reporters on Friday, a French presidency official said there was nothing new in Macron's comments adding that they were in line with what Ukraine has said, which was that at the end of the war there would be a negotiation.


Bas tako. Treba upravo obrnuto. Da Rusija pruzi sigurnosne garancije Europi i susjedima.
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#138478 Re: Ukrajina

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Rothmans wrote: 13/12/2022 09:50
agent_zero wrote: 13/12/2022 09:45

Meni jeste, a tebi ako nije, seli gdje ti je stalo.
Tu sam ja i u vecini sam
U vecini sigurno nisi.
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#138479 Re: Ukrajina

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"Ruska čizma" nikada nigdje nije dobrodošla čak ni kao saveznik a iskustvo svih zemalja gdje su kročili još tokom WWII to najbolje govori.
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Na Netflixu danas objavljen intervju Lettermana sa Zelenskim. Traje 44 minuta.
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#138481 Re: Ukrajina

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Suncorket je rodio iako je zahladilo...

Ko ne moze da trpi, nek' ne gleda.

@drug_profi moze...

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#138482 Re: Ukrajina

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Weekly Lajkujme update

Bakhmut se drzi
93 brigada rotirana zajedno s jos jednom brigadom nisu vise na ratistu
Kod Vuhledara kontra Ukrajine
Kherson spavaju
Kod Svatova mic po mic


Partizani remete pozadinu u Zaporoziju
Himarise se citava fronta pogotovo Zaporozije
Pored one fabrike autoguma danas zapaljena jos jedna ocigledno partizanska aktivnost po Rusiji ciljaju na to da onesposobe proizvodnju guma za oklope.
Pale se i zeljeznicki punktovi po Rusiji visestruko.
Iran izgleda salje balisticke rakete dometa do 300km navodno 200 komada.
Udar na kasarnu u Rusiji 50km u dubini nepoznato cime obicnom artiljerijom nije sigurno.

Himarisanje ovih dana pojacano primjetno mi je Zaporozije kao da rade shaping of operations za nesto.
Ali ne tvrdim nista.
Fronta izgleda isto vec mjesec dana.

Zapad salje sve vise artiljerije i PVO
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#138483 Re: Ukrajina

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Rusi tokom WW2 nisu nigdje krocili kao saveznici, istocna Evropa je bila saveznik Njemaca, minus Poljska.
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Povlacim za Bakhmut, upravo citam zabrinjavajuce vijesti iz grada
Rusi navodno ulaze u istocna naselja grada i to poprilicno brzo.

Do veceras biti ce jasnije


Pored toga

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#138485 Re: Ukrajina

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madner wrote: 13/12/2022 10:52 Rusi tokom WW2 nisu nigdje krocili kao saveznici, istocna Evropa je bila saveznik Njemaca, minus Poljska.
To treba da ih nazovemo oslobodiocima zemalja na čije tlo su kročili uključujući i Istočnu Njemačku?
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#138486 Re: Ukrajina

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Jaka eksplozija

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#138487 Re: Ukrajina

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mishic wrote: 13/12/2022 11:01
madner wrote: 13/12/2022 10:52 Rusi tokom WW2 nisu nigdje krocili kao saveznici, istocna Evropa je bila saveznik Njemaca, minus Poljska.
To treba da ih nazovemo oslobodiocima zemalja na čije tlo su kročili uključujući i Istočnu Njemačku?
Ne bih isao tako daleko, podrska nacistima je u svim zemljama bila dosta siroka.
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samo nastavite, ne dajte rujama mira ni u hali
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sabotaža radi otežavanje dolaska logistike
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putler će se boriti do posljednjeg rujana
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#138492 Re: Ukrajina

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kapetan suncokretio
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#138493 Re: Ukrajina

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madner wrote: 13/12/2022 10:52 Rusi tokom WW2 nisu nigdje krocili kao saveznici, istocna Evropa je bila saveznik Njemaca, minus Poljska.
U pravu si, nisu, vlastitim izborom.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Uprising
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https://t.co/oQs6NcIkue

Auuuuuuuuuu, kada ovi zabrinuti krenu brojati suncokrete i Nova godina će proči a oni neće završiti brojanje...
A skeptici o ukrajinskim podacima gubitaka okupatora će shvatiti da Ukrajina radi posao kako treba
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#138495 Re: Ukrajina

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Dva sistema Skynex ce biti isporucena Ukrajini, ali nazalost tek u 2024. godini.
Potreba za ovim sistemom koji postoji vec vise od godine se pokazuje tek sad u svijetlu modernog rata kakav se vodi u Ukrajini.
Povratak brzometnih PAT-ova na velika vrata.
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#138496 Re: Ukrajina

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Saian wrote: 13/12/2022 11:21
madner wrote: 13/12/2022 10:52 Rusi tokom WW2 nisu nigdje krocili kao saveznici, istocna Evropa je bila saveznik Njemaca, minus Poljska.
U pravu si, nisu, vlastitim izborom.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Uprising
Nevjerovatno je kako se ta Poljska propaganda siri. Kao nisu htjeli da im pomognu a ne nisu mogli. Druga tenkovska armija koja je imala zadatak da napreduje istocno prema Varsavi je imala gore gubitke nego sada u Ukraini i morala je biti povucena zbog Njemackog kontranapada. 47 armija koja je ubacena da stabilizuje linije nije imala nikakvih sansi protiv nekoliko najboljih njemackih tenkovskih divizija.

Istina je da Poljaci nisu uspjeli sami da oslobode ni Poljsku ni Varsavu, cak ni kada su Njemci imali 3 fronta da pokrivaju.

Dvije Poljske divizije pod komandom Crvene Armije su pokusale da dodju do grada, ali su takodje dozivjele debakl.
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#138497 Re: Ukrajina

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madner wrote: 13/12/2022 11:32 istocna Evropa je bila saveznik Njemaca, minus Poljska.
Kakva sranja pises i onda jos kao tvrdis da si vjerodostojan za "Poljsku propagandu"...

Sta je bilo i sa kojim zemljama u Ist. Evropi ? Neke jesu bile sa kvislinskim vladama saveznicama Njemacke, a neke su bogami bile okupirane od Njemacke... Tebi je to ocito isto ? Pravi historicar, nema sta...

Poljska propaganda je i podjela Poljske izmedju Rajha i CCCP-a k'o da gledam... Nisu nikad usli oni u Poljsku izmedju '39-'44...? Zar ne... Poljski oficiri se samoubili u Katinskoj sumi, samo da napakoste "zlim komuLJarama"...? Sve price bez osnova ikakvog, zar ne ?
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#138498 Re: Ukrajina

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Dobro, nisu stvari baš tako jednostavne i jasne kako ih predstavlja moskovska istorijska škola. U korpusu deklasifikovanih dokumenata iz sovjetskih arhiva koji su objavljeni 2004. godine (priredili Leonid Gibianski – Ruska akademija nauka i Norman Naimark – Univerzitet Stanford), nalazi se i očit dokaz direktne Staljinove intervencije po pitanju Varšavskog ustanka.
Also important in this connection are the orders to the Soviet troops in Poland on August 23, 1944, mandating urgent measures to be taken against the Polish Government-in-exile’s Home Army (Armija Krajowa, AK) units in areas occupied by the Red Army. These units were to be prevented from reaching Warsaw and thus aiding the Warsaw Uprising, and were to be arrested and disarmed.
The order is a rare documentary example of the Kremlin’s policy not only not to aid or abet the Warsaw Uprising, but to prevent the insurgents from receiving reinforcements in men or arms. This signifies that Stalin preferred that the uprising, which was organized by the emigre government, be put down by the Nazis, which indeed happened in September-October 1944, rather than be at all successful and serve as an impediment for the imposition of Moscow’s authority in Warsaw.
This evidence is relevant to the question, often discussed in the historiography of the period, whether the halt of the Red Army’s advance at the Vistula in mid-September, 1944, rather than crossing the river and coming to the aid of the Warsaw Uprising, derived from nefarious political calculations on Stalin’s part, or whether logistical and tactical considerations by the Soviet military dictated the need to cease offensive actions. (Available military documents regarding this question are inconclusive).
https://www.ucis.pitt.edu/nceeer/2004_8 ... anskii.pdf
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#138499 Re: Ukrajina

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Kako je Moskva očigledno digla ruke od Hersona, u Kremlju se rodila genijalna ideja: podići novi grad u kojem će boraviti okupaciona administracija. Vršilac dužnosti guvernera Hersonske oblasti Vladimir Saldo otkriva da će novi grad biti sagrađen u okrugu Geničesk.
"Predsjednik Vladimir Putin gleda u budućnost, u mirnu budućnost. Predložio je da izgradimo mali grad u okrugu Geničesk na Arabatskoj obali. Postoje vrlo dobri prirodni uvjeti, tamo su željezničke i cestovne veze. Mjesto je vrlo atraktivno...Na Putinovu inicijativu se već radi na razvojnom projektu. Biće izgrađene nove stambene četvrti sa svom potrebnom društvenom infrastrukturom, školama i vrtićima. Također će se stvoriti uvjeti za rad državnih tijela”, kaže Saldo.
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#138500 Re: Ukrajina

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Geničesk, mjesto gdje je nastala izreka o suncokretima.
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