Ukrajina

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https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1877514/

Preporuka svima, bilo je na Netflixu, ja sam progutao 10 epizoda, tu su sve lekcije o tome zašto nije pametno napadati druge ljude i zašto ne možeš nikad pobijediti onog koji brani svoju domovinu.

Jako velika sličnost sa Ukrajinom u svakom pogledu.

[drug_profi]

U međuvremenu Ruska berza "cvjeta"...

[statixx]

Odlicna kolumna.

The West needs to be ready for Putin’s next move
William Hague
Monday September 19 2022, 9.00pm BST, The Times

The Russian version of events in Ukraine is now an extreme and risible version of this inability to admit they are in trouble. The flagship Moskva sank under tow in stormy seas, it was said, even though the weather was fine; the retreat from Snake Island was a “goodwill gesture”; devastating explosions at Crimean bases were merely numerous accidents, and the headlong recent retreat from Kharkiv was a “regrouping”. The Kremlin will say anything rather than admit that Putin has blundered on a vast, historical scale, with a radical underestimation of the country he chose to bully and wished to annihilate.

With even China expressing concerns and India giving him a lecture, Putin last week insisted that all was going to plan. Many Russians know this is ludicrous. One of their greatest pop stars, Alla Pugacheva, has spoken of “our lads dying for illusory aims”. Hardline so-called “milbloggers”, who wrote enthusiastically about the war, have turned on the incompetent armed forces and called for swifter destruction of Ukraine’s infrastructure.

Putin will know he is in trouble. The institutionalised stupidity will last a while, but reality will force its way in. Plan A, the occupation of Ukraine, failed in February. Plan B, the control of the Donbas and referendums in occupied areas to vote to join Russia, has fallen apart in September. What is Plan C? How does he avoid the fate of the autocrat who fails: that sudden demise when the army refuses orders, or the crowd stop being afraid, or someone like Nikolai Patrushev, head of the Security Council and trained in the KGB, comes quietly down the corridor in the night?

He has three options, all of which involve great risk. He will thus avoid choosing for some weeks. He will appease the demand for more attacks on power plants, water supplies and dams. He will hope that gas prices will panic Europe, while demanding advances from exhausted troops. But on current trends, he will need to choose, and the West needs to prepare for his choice. After the denials, something is going to give.

His first option is the full mobilisation of Russia’s economy and society for all-out conventional war. Call up two million reservists, convert factories for munitions, ask for sacrifices all round. The risks for him are that this takes time, that many modern components made in the West are unavailable and popular support could collapse. The evidence that young Russians do not want to be conscripted to fight is very strong.

The second possibility is to threaten to employ, demonstrate or actually use weapons of mass destruction, such as a tactical nuclear device used against a town or military unit. This is the craziest option. It would unite the whole globe against Putin, still not win the war unless repeated many times and is the likeliest scenario to provoke an internal coup to remove him.

The third option is to call it a day and try to live to fight again in the future. Retreat — “regroup” of course, in a massive “goodwill gesture” — to more defensible lines, offer a ceasefire and blame everyone but himself. The West, he would say, conspired against Russia. Defence minister Sergei Shoigu was not up to the job and disappears mysteriously, armed forces commander Valery Gerasimov is put on trial for treason and incompetence. Putin is lauded by some world leaders for bringing down fuel and food prices. His risk here is that the truth would dawn on Russians that they had been defeated in the present and made poorer for the future. Their president would be very vulnerable.

We do not know what choice he will make. But as western leaders confer in New York this week they need to get ready and influence his choice. The best way to avert escalation into full mobilisation is to help Ukraine now to a speedier victory, with longer range missiles from the US and main battle tanks, including the large numbers belonging to Germany. That is also the best way to push Putin into a face-saving retreat, with the least Ukrainian territory still under his control.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the- ... 52a900bb80

[zilog]

Može biti da su ovi brzinski referendumi na okupiranim teritorijama i mobilizacija u istom paketu. Sa stanovišta međunarodnog prava, referendumi neće značiti ništa no očito će značiti nešto kada se radi o ruskom poimanju sukoba. To za Moskvu više ne bi bio rat u Ukrajini nego rat na prostoru Rusije.

Samo su dodatno obesmislili pojam "crvene linije", kada je Krim u pitanju. Sada to rusko proglasavanje neke teritorije - Rusijom, ima znacaj tariguza.

[statixx]

Koji izrazi, ni sami ne vjeruju sta cuju.

[drug_profi]

USA je draftovala 2,2 miliona vojnika u Vijetnam, i nevjerovatnu količinu oružja i opreme pa svi znamo kako je to završilo.

Afganistan da ni ne pominjemo.

Upravo. Zašto iko misli da će se onda jedna poluvojska poput ruske imalo bolje provesti u Ukrajini?

[Jordan1961]

Može biti da su ovi brzinski referendumi na okupiranim teritorijama i mobilizacija u istom paketu. Sa stanovišta međunarodnog prava, referendumi neće značiti ništa no očito će značiti nešto kada se radi o ruskom poimanju sukoba. To za Moskvu više ne bi bio rat u Ukrajini nego rat na prostoru Rusije.

Formalno-pravno i u skladu sa UN rezolucijama radi o agresiji Rusije na Ukrajinu, ma kako to rusi zvali i smatrali. Referendumi, i odrzani i najavljeni, su sa stanovista medjunarodnog prava nistavni. Slali oni radovnu vojsku ili onu mobiliziranu, cinjenica da vrse agresiju na susjednu drzavu se ne moze promijeniti. Rusija je Decembra 1991 priznala Ukrajinu u "sovjetskim" granicama, ukljucujuci i Krim. Unilateralna izmjena granica sa stanovista medjunarodnog prava nema nikakvog efekta. Radi se o klasicnoj okupaciji koju, koliko je meni poznato, ne priznaje niti jedan bitna zemlja na kugli zemaljskoj.

[GAU8]

Ovaj zakon i ta mobilizacija je potpis Putina na unistenje Rusije.
I unistenje sebe kao lika.

Da Rusi zele ratovati prijavili bi se masovno na contracte koji nude para
Sad ide prisilna mobilizacija i tu bi moglo da bude svega.
Ocekujem uskoro nerede po Rusiji i napade na regrutne centre

Krenuti će Putin sa mobilizacijom daleko od Moskve. Zna i on šta radi....

[sumirprimus]

rusi nemajju opremu za toliku vojsku. ako stave sve potencijale za ratnu upotrebu, heh nek im je sa srecom opet vin vin za slobodni svijet
vec zamisljam mobilisane ruske pekare,taksiste,fabricke radnike, ucitelje sa sljemovima od bivsih korisnika i vec vlagom namemljene cizme sa bivsih kosrisnika...ljolj

Ono što nisam očekivao je šutnja tog običnog ruskog naroda. Mislio sam da će se već dosad dignuti mase protiv ovog čovječuljka, ono izgleda identično ko i u Srbiji. Nedovoljno je te kritične mase koja se može suprtotstaviti režimu, većina još uvijek vjeruje priči da pobjeđuju, da su nacisti stjerani u ćošak i "naredne dvije sedmice su ključne".

tacno tako sutili su i oni devedesetih, sutice i ovi dok ne izgube rat. putina ce skinuti samo ako izgubi rat..

[lajkujMe]

To vam je panika

S referendumima i mobilizacijom samo su postigli kontra efekat ali to je jedina karta koja je Putinu ostala.
Otisao je all in na blef

Sad ce Ruski civili da ginu kao muhe dici ce se buna kad tad a moral ce da potone kao kamen u okeanu.
A dato je potpuno opravdanje Ukrajini da napadne samu Rusiju kako god zeli jer jedina eskalacija "vise" je nuklearni obracun.

Sad mogu rahat uzeti Krim i napasti direktno Belgorod.

Karta nuklearnih prijetnji propala
Karta energetskih ucjena neefektivna

Ma da ne duzim sve sto je Putin pokusao nije mu uspjelo a nece ni sada

[sumirprimus]

Ovaj zakon i ta mobilizacija je potpis Putina na unistenje Rusije.
I unistenje sebe kao lika.

Da Rusi zele ratovati prijavili bi se masovno na contracte koji nude para
Sad ide prisilna mobilizacija i tu bi moglo da bude svega.
Ocekujem uskoro nerede po Rusiji i napade na regrutne centre

Krenuti će Putin sa mobilizacijom daleko od Moskve. Zna i on šta radi....

prvo ce odmah izmusti sto vec izmuzli nisu na podrucju okupiranih dijelova ukrajine, onda idu ove manjinske republike a on i decaci iz moskve i st.petersurga

[sumirprimus]

sto bi sad sjela jedna jaka kontra ukra na bilo kom pravcu

[statixx]

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Vidi se da previse prate mitomanske portale u komsiluku.

[statixx]

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[mk ultra]

ne mogu napraviti koliko mogu zijaniti

[sime_cipol]

Ameri i NATO jedva cekaju "all in" situaciju

[Honda Rajvosa]

Prosli put kada su planirali "referendume" ukrajina im se posrala u cejf. nadam se da ce tako biti i ovaj put i da ce treca ukrajinska ostrica konacno da krene....

[Čitalac]

Na inicijativu Porošenkove partije, ukrajinski parlament danas je oslobodio vojne obaveze određenu kategoriju stanovništva.

The Verkhovna Rada adopted a bill allowing military personnel with three or more children under the age of 18 to be dismissed from military service. The decision was supported by 331 people's deputies. Men with three children are not subject to mobilization, but if the father joined the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the third child was born after that, or he had three children and he went to serve voluntarily, in this case he cannot demobilize.

[lajkujMe]

sto bi sad sjela jedna jaka kontra ukra na bilo kom pravcu

Nije iskljuceno, Zaporozje mi je previse tiho frontovski
Al Himarishe se pofino

[statixx]

Poginuo poznati ruski glumac, pristalica i zagovarac invazije.

The artistic director of the oldest drama theater in Russia in Yaroslavl, Sergey Puskepalis, died in a car accident. The director was 56 years old. Komsomolets” reports that the deceased drove a car with a load of thermal underwear for the military to the Donbass.

[Gandalf]

Ide to na 60 000 orka do kraja mjeseca

[Dado dijasporitus]

Za malo London pogodi