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#105176 Re: Ukrajina

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arman1 wrote: 13/08/2022 11:49
Mrvice_ba wrote: 13/08/2022 11:45 Wagner udarna pesnica ork armije.
Ima tamo i raje iz BiH. Neki su već suncokretili. Lik iz prijedora navodno zaglavio, a familija dobila obavijest od srčanog umro i kremirali ga.
Ratni zločinac Veljko Planinčić iz Višegrada se godinama skrivao u Rusiji. Vraćen u BiH u vreći nekad u aprilu/maju. Navodno moždani udar :lol:
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#105177 Re: Ukrajina

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moee wrote: 13/08/2022 13:31
arman1 wrote: 13/08/2022 11:49

Ima tamo i raje iz BiH. Neki su već suncokretili. Lik iz prijedora navodno zaglavio, a familija dobila obavijest od srčanog umro i kremirali ga.
Ratni zločinac Veljko Planinčić iz Višegrada se godinama skrivao u Rusiji. Vraćen u BiH u vreći nekad u aprilu/maju. Navodno moždani udar :lol:
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#105178 Re: Ukrajina

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AliceInChains wrote: 13/08/2022 13:13
emirolini wrote: 13/08/2022 09:18 Ovakvo propadanje drzave koja je glumila silu nije vidjeno u historiji civilizacije, Rusisti su racunali na par mjeseci sankcija i to je to a sada im oduzimaju i kretanje, bar onim koji znaju citati. Rusisti dobijaju tretman koji su odavno zasluzili!
Bolje se ne naslađuj tuđoj muci. Vidit ćeš, šta je kod nas još sve moguće.

Ko misli da razgraničenje sa Rusima ima negativni uticaj isključivo ma njih, se grdno vara. Posljedice razgraničenja se tek osjećaju sa zakašnjenjem na krajnju potrošnju. Već sad se osjeća naglo poskupljenje kod samih za život neophodnih namirnica. A kao sto sam već jednom konstatirao, ovo je tek početak. I ko misli, da će se kao do sad bez ikakve mjere subvencionirati živo i mrtvo, taj još nije ozbiljno skontao zašto povećana inflacija stvara glavobolje, i to u svim zapadnim državama. Mi imamo monetarni problem.
Cry me a river.
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#105179 Re: Ukrajina

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nota1969 wrote: 13/08/2022 13:23
AliceInChains wrote: 13/08/2022 13:13

Bolje se ne naslađuj tuđoj muci. Vidit ćeš, šta je kod nas još sve moguće.

Ko misli da razgraničenje sa Rusima ima negativni uticaj isključivo ma njih, se grdno vara. Posljedice razgraničenja se tek osjećaju sa zakašnjenjem na krajnju potrošnju. Već sad se osjeća naglo poskupljenje kod samih za život neophodnih namirnica. A kao sto sam već jednom konstatirao, ovo je tek početak. I ko misli, da će se kao do sad bez ikakve mjere subvencionirati živo i mrtvo, taj još nije ozbiljno skontao zašto povećana inflacija stvara glavobolje, i to u svim zapadnim državama. Mi imamo monetarni problem.
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#105180 Re: Ukrajina

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Point. wrote: 13/08/2022 13:52
AliceInChains wrote: 13/08/2022 13:13

Bolje se ne naslađuj tuđoj muci. Vidit ćeš, šta je kod nas još sve moguće.

Ko misli da razgraničenje sa Rusima ima negativni uticaj isključivo ma njih, se grdno vara. Posljedice razgraničenja se tek osjećaju sa zakašnjenjem na krajnju potrošnju. Već sad se osjeća naglo poskupljenje kod samih za život neophodnih namirnica. A kao sto sam već jednom konstatirao, ovo je tek početak. I ko misli, da će se kao do sad bez ikakve mjere subvencionirati živo i mrtvo, taj još nije ozbiljno skontao zašto povećana inflacija stvara glavobolje, i to u svim zapadnim državama. Mi imamo monetarni problem.
Cry me a river.
Hoću li ikad doživiti pametan odgovor od tebe? :mrgreen:
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#105181 Re: Ukrajina

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sumirprimus wrote: 13/08/2022 13:10 Uuhh akinci da ih roka dan i noc
kada, koje godine?
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#105182 Re: Ukrajina

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Dimu1927 wrote: 13/08/2022 13:11
Bossona wrote: 13/08/2022 09:02


Dobrovoljci ruskih elitnih jedinica. :D
:lol: :lol:

eto onih elitnih, pada kijev za 96h kad ovi ulete, a zapad se istrosio :lol:
Ovo oni moskovljani kojima je 2000USD pi*kin dim?
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#105183 Re: Ukrajina

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AliceInChains wrote: 13/08/2022 13:13
emirolini wrote: 13/08/2022 09:18 Ovakvo propadanje drzave koja je glumila silu nije vidjeno u historiji civilizacije, Rusisti su racunali na par mjeseci sankcija i to je to a sada im oduzimaju i kretanje, bar onim koji znaju citati. Rusisti dobijaju tretman koji su odavno zasluzili!
Bolje se ne naslađuj tuđoj muci. Vidit ćeš, šta je kod nas još sve moguće.

Ko misli da razgraničenje sa Rusima ima negativni uticaj isključivo ma njih, se grdno vara. Posljedice razgraničenja se tek osjećaju sa zakašnjenjem na krajnju potrošnju. Već sad se osjeća naglo poskupljenje kod samih za život neophodnih namirnica. A kao sto sam već jednom konstatirao, ovo je tek početak. I ko misli, da će se kao do sad bez ikakve mjere subvencionirati živo i mrtvo, taj još nije ozbiljno skontao zašto povećana inflacija stvara glavobolje, i to u svim zapadnim državama. Mi imamo monetarni problem.
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#105184 Re: Ukrajina

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lajkujMe wrote: 13/08/2022 13:27 Inace zelim da ovo objavim ovdje i da ujedno uputim apel :)

Ako znate nekoga ko se bori u Rusiji na Ruskoj strani zamolio bih vas da te iste osobe prijavite SIPI :izet:

Mi iz BIH ne mozemo mnogo toga uciniti ali mozemo makar sprijeciti da se nasi drzavljani bore na strani Ruskih fasista

http://www.sipa.gov.ba/bs/kontakt

Ovdje imate vise metoda prijava mozete to uraditi i anonimno.
Po mogucnosti ne bi bilo lose staviti ime i prezime osobe, mjesto prebivalista i druge licne informacije.
Ako osoba ima profile na socijalnim mrezama pogotovo gdje objavljuje slike iz ratnih dejstava i to prikacite kao dokaz :)

Krivnicno djelo na osnovu Krivicnog Zakona BIH Član 162b
Protivzakonito formiranje i pridruživanje stranim paravojnim ili parapolicijskim formacijama

Minimalna kazna zatvora je 3 godine :izet:
Treba ih deportovat ukrima da ih malo propitaju u nekom kanalu.
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#105185 Re: Ukrajina

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AliceInChains wrote: 13/08/2022 13:54
Point. wrote: 13/08/2022 13:52
Cry me a river.
Hoću li ikad doživiti pametan odgovor od tebe? :mrgreen:
Šta hoćeš da odgovorim? Da se svi kolektivno naguzimo Putinu i ruskom svetu jer avaj evo inflacije i povećanih cijena prehrambene robe? Da mu se preda Ukrajina, Moldavija a evo im i baltičke države pride da se ruski međed zadovolji? Oni su ionako fejk nacije, sve su to rusi zapravo, ha ja.

Kakav je tvoj plan?
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#105186 Re: Ukrajina

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sumirprimus wrote: 13/08/2022 09:43
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Why Ukraine struggles to combat Russia’s artillery superiority
August 12, 2022 9:28 pm
by Illia Ponomarenko
Russian heavy artillery — the Kremlin’s deadliest weapon against Ukraine — is still a superior force that has no mercy.

Almost six months into the full-scale invasion, Russian advances remain generally stalled.

But despite much effort with Western-provided advanced weaponry, Russia's artillery force is still inflicting heavy losses on Ukraine and goes unanswered much too often.

Counter-battery fire, the tactic of hunting for and firing at the enemy’s artillery pieces, remains a weak spot in Ukraine’s military.

The Russian military indeed enjoys very strong numerical superiority. But Ukraine, in turn, often lacks proper organization of counter-battery activities on the battlefield. It also falls short of qualified top-level specialists.

As a result, Russian artillery continues to devastate Ukrainian lines, causing Ukrainian infantry to pay an inflating price in blood.
New found power
A lot has changed since Ukraine ran out of its old Soviet-standard munitions stock as early as June. It had to essentially switch to NATO-standard munitions of foreign supplies and acquire dozens of Western-provided artillery pieces — and it had to do it fast.

Fortunately, this transitional period, one of the war’s most dramatic moments, was quick.

If it weren’t for scores of Western artillery pieces like U.S.-provided M777s and extensive munition supplies, Kyiv would have been beyond hopeless at this point.

Read also: Battle to end the war: Ukraine's chance to get edge over Russia

Russia's numerical superiority, and its endless munitions stock, the result of decades of Soviet production, have had a devastating effect on the course of the war.

Russian tactics of rolling artillery barrage, simple but brutal and overwhelming, have paved the way for Russian infantry through charred Ukrainian ruins. It has left many cities in ashes.

The disproportion between the number of Russian and Ukrainian pieces deployed to a particular front line area can go as far as 10 to 1.
But the acquisition of Western artillery, which is technologically superior to older Soviet pieces used by Russia, has saved Ukraine’s defensive campaign.

Of even more significant effect was the ongoing campaign to destroy dozens of Russian munition and fuel depots across the occupied territories of Ukraine with U.S.-provided HIMARS rocket systems.

Read also: Why is Russia so vulnerable to HIMARS in Ukraine?

The HIMARS campaign expectedly did not cause total munitions hunger in the Russian military. But it made Russia’s problematic logistics even more complicated and greatly reduced its ready-to-go munition stocks.

According to estimates by Ukrainian artillery commanders polled by the Kyiv Independent, daily Russian munition expenditure in Ukraine’s east has been reduced from nearly 12,000-15,000 rounds to nearly 5,000-6,000, quite a relief to Ukraine’s military.

The fight between the two nations’ artillery forces has been beyond brutal.

According to Oryx, an investigation project documenting war losses in Ukraine, Russia has lost at least 75 towed artillery pieces (including 32 152-millimeter 2A65 Msta-B howitzers) and at least 152 self-propelled pieces (including 46 152-millimeter 2S3 Akatsiya and 58 152-millimeter 2S19 Msta-S heavy pieces).

Ukraine’s losses are also significant: Oryx has documented at least 50 towed and 51 self-propelled artillery pieces being destroyed, damaged, or abandoned. Oryx also knows of eight M777A2 pieces destroyed or damaged, formerly part of over 100 pieces sent to Ukraine by the U.S., Australia, and Canada.

However, it should be noted that on both sides, not all artillery pieces were lost to counter-battery fire.
According to estimates by Ukrainian experts, Russian numerical superiority has been somewhat reduced. Ukraine currently deploys nearly 500 artillery pieces against over 2,000 Russian systems. Some limited supplies of 152-millimeter rounds from former Warsaw Treaty nations re-enabled some of the older Soviet-standard Ukrainian pieces.

A weak spot
The progress was notable, but the introduction of superior Western systems has not brought radical changes in Russian superiority.

Russian artillery is still extremely overwhelming and deadly as it continues to shell its way through Ukrainian defenses with extreme power.

Yet another wake-up call occurred on Aug. 2, just days after the Russian-led militants launched a massive offensive in the town of Pisky, a ruined suburb just northwest of occupied Donetsk next to the city’s destroyed airport.

Amid fierce hostilities, Serhiy Gnezdilov, a squad leader with Ukraine’s 21st Motorized Infantry Battalion Sarmat, published a headline-making post on his Facebook page.

The soldier’s message, full of desperation and anger, describes the horrific situation in Pisky, attacked by Russians.

Within less than 24 hours, according to Gnezdilov, Russian artillery fired nearly 6,500 rounds upon Ukrainian defenses in the town.

“It’s beyond one’s understanding how some of our infantry manages to survive under this burst of enemy fire,” he wrote.

Russian artillery methodically destroyed Ukrainian concrete defenses without facing any resistance from the Ukrainian side. Ukrainian counter-battery was not working at all, according to the message.

“It’s a f*cking slaughter in which the battalion personnel is just deterring the offensive with their bodies,” the soldier wrote.

The Facebook post triggered a stir in Ukrainian media. Shortly after, the Ukrainian command sent reinforcements that gradually stabilized the situation in Pisky. Russian forces currently have nearly a third of the town under their control, following over two weeks of brutal combat.

Despite all the damage done by HIMARSs, Russia, especially in the Donbas, is still capable of concentrating its massive artillery power in certain front-line sections.

Read also: Ukraine targets Russia’s ammunition depots, undermining its artillery advantage

Speaking on the condition of anonymity, serving Ukrainian artillery officers polled by the Kyiv Independent admitted that Ukrainian counter-battery activity remains largely problematic, mainly due to the lack of effective top-level organization.

From their perspective, all main components of counter-battery warfare, especially target acquisition via observation points, radar detection, drones, and sound ranging, need to be improved. And target acquisition must be better synchronized with artillery pieces reacting fast to destroy revealed Russian weapons.

And all components need to work as a system and in cooperation with infantry units that should be holding the important local high ground points for artillery, which is often not the case, as artillerists said.

In many cases, Russian successes were ensured not by its overwhelming advantage but by a problematic Ukrainian counter-artillery reaction.

“The infantry has paid for those flaws with its blood,” a Ukrainian artillery officer told the Kyiv Independent.
Competent command
Today’s Ukrainian top command structure does not have a specific command and control body responsible exclusively for artillery.

Similarly to the General Staff, neither of the four Ukrainian main operational command headquarters (“North,” “South,” “East,” “West”) have command in charge of artillery.

This is the result of decentralization in the military – the restructuring that was made in an attempt to step away from the over-centralized Soviet military system and towards Western practices.

Before decentralization, top-level structures like army corps command were directly responsible for organizing and running counter-battery warfare. Brigade-level artillery command, in the meantime, was responsible for supporting the infantry on battlefields rather than hunting hostile artillery.

Now, due to lack of centralized command overseeing artillery, there’s inconsistency among the Ukrainian units and they have to fix it, says Oleh Zhdanov, a Kyiv-based retired senior artillery officer.

“Each of the larger front line sectors — like Donbas, Zaporizhzhia, or Kherson — should have at least one or two artillery brigades, that’s four artillery battalions,” Zhdanov said.

“An artillery brigade would be responsible exclusively for counter-battery warfare within the front line’s 100-150-kilometer-long section. It would work as part of the general reconnaissance system. As its forces get fresh data — it immediately goes out to suppress a Russian battery.”

Zhdanov says that each of Ukraine’s operational command headquarters should have a competent artillery department responsible for counter-battery warfare within their sectors.

But this process also needs to be properly organized, with effective communication between the brain and the muscle, to be able to destroy Russia’s most significant advantage over Ukraine.

“The move towards Western methods of working is happening,” said Glen Grant, a retired British Army officer and former adviser to Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense.

But it is hampered by lack of communications, poor organizational structures, and still the heavy hand of the old concepts. What is missing still for Ukraine is to complete the decentralization of control artillery by improving the radio links, creating, equipping, and training more front line observer teams for battalions,” he said.

Grant continued, saying that there is a vital need to create a separate trade of artillery intelligence and ensure that they operate in all brigades and have direct radio or Wi-Fi links to every possible source of data about enemy artillery.

“Finally, we need a high-flying drone flying back from the enemy lines 50-100 kilometers with sideways-looking sensors to identify artillery positions and movement. Some of this is in place, but a better system will save lives and help win the war.”

Hmm zanimljiv tekst o ukr artiljeriji, nedostscima iste kao i jednom od razloga zasto ruje jos uvijek guraju naprijed
Hm znaci ipak da je madner sa svojim pisanjem u pravu kada kaze da je do UA armije.
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#105187 Re: Ukrajina

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Britanski obavještajci: Dva ključna mosta kod Hersona izvan upotrebe
Dva glavna cestovna mosta koja omogućuju ruski pristup okupiranom ukrajinskom teritoriju na zapadnoj obali Dnjepra u Hersonskoj oblasti sada su vjerojatno izvan upotrebe i nije ih moguće koristiti za značajniju vojnu opskrbu, objavila je u subotu britanska vojna obavještajna služba.

Čak i ako Rusija uspije izvršiti značajne popravke na mostovima, oni će ostati ranjivi, priopćilo je ministarstvo obrane Ujedinjenog Kraljevstva. "Opskrba s kopna za nekoliko tisuća ruskih vojnika na zapadnoj obali gotovo se sigurno oslanja na samo dva pontonska trajektna prijelaza", reklo je ministarstvo u ažuriranoj obavještajnoj objavi.

Budući da je njihov lanac opskrbe ograničen, veličina svih zaliha koje je Rusija uspjela uspostaviti na zapadnoj obali vjerojatno će biti ključni čimbenik u održivosti tih snaga, navodi se. Ukrajina je ranije najavila da će pokrenuti ofenzivu kako bi vratila svoje okupirane teritorije na jugu zemlje.
Moras biti totalni imbecil da nebi shvatio da su ti odsjecene linije opskrbe.Kako misle, brodovima, avionima, podmornicama, teleportacijom, vrsiti popunu zaliha mts-a, ljudstva i municije.Kosto im rece onaj ukrajinski vojnik Hulk, morat ce da plivaju.
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#105188 Re: Ukrajina

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Neki su zaboravili da je Ukrajina jedna od najkorumpiranijh zemalja u europi, a uz to se ne raziliku puno od nemarnih rusa. Za nadati se da ce biti prilike da isprave dosta toga, no to ce donijeti zrtve dok agresor napada nemilice (koji je jos gori sto se tice korumpije i nemarnosti).
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#105189 Re: Ukrajina

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"Stavite Rusiju na listu i sledi totalno uništenje"
Moskva je upozorila Vašington da bi stavljanje Rusije na listu zemalja koje sponzorišu terorizam bila tačka bez povratka i okidač za totalni prekid odnosa.
U kongresu pokrenuta inicijativa, sto ako prodje, PA PA orkistanu, sve saveznicke drzave USA ce pokrenuti isto i spustena je zeljezna zavjesa za buducih 50 godina.
Podsjeti me na onog jednog hrlova sto je na twiteru sa djecom cekicem razbijao tablete, nista povedi djecu u sibir i nauci ih da igraju kamena s ramena.
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#105190 Re: Ukrajina

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statixx wrote: 13/08/2022 13:58
AliceInChains wrote: 13/08/2022 13:13

Bolje se ne naslađuj tuđoj muci. Vidit ćeš, šta je kod nas još sve moguće.

Ko misli da razgraničenje sa Rusima ima negativni uticaj isključivo ma njih, se grdno vara. Posljedice razgraničenja se tek osjećaju sa zakašnjenjem na krajnju potrošnju. Već sad se osjeća naglo poskupljenje kod samih za život neophodnih namirnica. A kao sto sam već jednom konstatirao, ovo je tek početak. I ko misli, da će se kao do sad bez ikakve mjere subvencionirati živo i mrtvo, taj još nije ozbiljno skontao zašto povećana inflacija stvara glavobolje, i to u svim zapadnim državama. Mi imamo monetarni problem.
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#105191 Re: Ukrajina

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Point. wrote: 13/08/2022 14:02
AliceInChains wrote: 13/08/2022 13:54

Hoću li ikad doživiti pametan odgovor od tebe? :mrgreen:
Šta hoćeš da odgovorim? Da se svi kolektivno naguzimo Putinu i ruskom svetu jer avaj evo inflacije i povećanih cijena prehrambene robe? Da mu se preda Ukrajina, Moldavija a evo im i baltičke države pride da se ruski međed zadovolji? Oni su ionako fejk nacije, sve su to rusi zapravo, ha ja.

Kakav je tvoj plan?
A zašto očekuješ plan od mene? Kao i ti ni ja kao običnik nemam nikakve mogućnosti da utičem na bilo šta, uvezi toga.

Čisto ukazujem na obostrane posljedice ekonomskog razdvajanja. Ovisnost je (bila) obostrana.

Ako nemaš šta odgovoriti ili pridodati, čemu uopste obraćanje?

Evo, ako si npr. za zaoštravanje sankcija ili misliš da dosadašnje sankcije sve imaju smisla, to je tvoje pravo. Fino napiši i možemo argumentirati, dali ima ili nema smisla, koje bi mogle biti posljedice, Itd.

Evo sama EU je neke sankcije ipak umanjila, radi nepredviđenih kontraefekata. I, dali je EU sa tim činom priznala Putinovu politiku i zauzimanje ostalih država?

Kultura rasprave je ovdje u banani.
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#105192 Re: Ukrajina

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Black swan wrote: 13/08/2022 14:21
statixx wrote: 13/08/2022 13:58

Sta predlazes?
Izravni pregovori izmedju sefova zelenskog i putinove raje
Dakle
Boris i dzo s jedne strane sa zelenskim
Putin i lukasenko s druge
Minsk 2.01

Zaustavljanje ratnog stroja i sjedanje za pregovaracki stol
Bez francuza i nijemaca u pregovorima
Jedna od opcija. Vojni poraz Rusije je isto opcija. Na kraju nema smisla o tome raspravljati, jer mi ne donosimo odluke.
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#105193 Re: Ukrajina

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Koja budilica probudilica.
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#105194 Re: Ukrajina

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Satić kuca tika taka
Svako jutro budi malog orka

:lol: :lol:
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#105195 Re: Ukrajina

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Bilo kakvi "pregovori" sa Putlerom, su samo davanje vremena fasistickoj hordi da se reorganizuje, popuni tehnikom, koju su do sada skoro religiozno negirali (dronovima) i kroz neko vrijeme ponovo nasrne sa vec definisanim ciljevima...

Ovo sto danas gledamo je rezultat zatvaranja ociju na rusku agresiju 2014. godine, aneksiju Krima, obaranje MH-17...
Zar neko misli da ne bi bilo treceg, jos goreg, jos krvavijeg pokusaja?
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AliceInChains wrote: 13/08/2022 13:52
nota1969 wrote: 13/08/2022 13:23

kmeee
Hajd se vrati na livadu i žderi travu
haha
to neka fora sa hreše
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#105197 Re: Ukrajina

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zilog wrote: 13/08/2022 14:37 Bilo kakvi "pregovori" sa Putlerom, su samo davanje vremena fasistickoj hordi da se reorganizuje, popuni tehnikom, koju su do sada skoro religiozno negirali (dronovima) i kroz neko vrijeme ponovo nasrne sa vec definisanim ciljevima...

Ovo sto danas gledamo je rezultat zatvaranja ociju na rusku agresiju 2014. godine, aneksiju Krima, obaranje MH-17...
Zar neko misli da ne bi bilo treceg, jos goreg, jos krvavijeg pokusaja?
To je dosadašnja mantra. Nemoj se čuditi ako dođe drugačije. Čisto da napomenem….politika je znaš šta.
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#105198 Re: Ukrajina

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nota1969 wrote: 13/08/2022 14:43
AliceInChains wrote: 13/08/2022 13:52

Hajd se vrati na livadu i žderi travu
haha
to neka fora sa hreše
Sasvim je normalno ukazati ovcama, gdje im pripada mjesto.
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#105199 Re: Ukrajina

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AliceInChains wrote: 13/08/2022 14:47
nota1969 wrote: 13/08/2022 14:43

haha
to neka fora sa hreše
Sasvim je normalno ukazati ovcama, gdje im pripada mjesto.
kad ti kažeš,nismo mi imali u gradu baš ovaca,ono kad je Bajram i tako
nego haj jos koju o inflaciji :lol:
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#105200 Re: Ukrajina

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nota1969 wrote: 13/08/2022 14:48
AliceInChains wrote: 13/08/2022 14:47

Sasvim je normalno ukazati ovcama, gdje im pripada mjesto.
haj jos koju o inflaciji :lol:
Jesi već čuo jednu o mentalnoj inflaciji prosječne ovce? :mrgreen:
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