Ukrajina

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Vijest koja se čekala i koja će omogućiti još veće sankcije Rusima.

Za sve zabrinute zbog cijene nafte, Iranci uskaču umjesto Rusa.



Itekako ima veze sa Ukrajinom, da ne bude zabune.

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Očito je cilj bio da se Putinu da fore prije nego dođe još oružja Ukrajini.

Ma ne vjerujem da će sedmica odgode biti nesto bitna.
Ionako je fizicki nemoguce izvrsiti takav transport u kratkom roku. Mislim da ni ovo sto je do sad odobreno jos sve nije isporuceno.

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Nazalost sto duze bude trajao ovaj rat to gore po Ukrajinu i vece su sanse da ista izgubi. Psihologija orka je cudna.
Treba procitati knjige o operaciji Barbarosa da se shvati koliko ruska elita mari za vojnike i ljudski zivot.
Jos uvijek neki u Evropi ne shvataju da je ovaj rat njihov rat.
Njemci pogotovo.
Ukrajini trebaju puno i daleko ozbiljniji sistemi da bi dobila rat.
Ovo mrcvarenje moze trajati dugo. Dostavite ljudima sve sad i odmah dok nije kasno. Abrams, Leopard , Patriot PVO, Himars avijaciju pa da imaju sanse. Ovako bgm tesko. I Asadovu su vojsku tukli i tukli mjesecima pa na kraju uzese skoro sve.

Sta mislite sta je krscanskoj Europi interes? Sto manje rusa i ukrajinaca to bolje. Nebi da zvucim fasisticki ali.eu je to. Jedino UK i USA da nesto urade odmah a ostalo stanih briga.

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Jutros je obrisan post na Twitteru, koji govori da je dogovorena evakuacija iz Azovstala koju bi izveli Turci.

Vjerovatno samo ranjenih.

Vijest objavila, pa obrisala ozbiljna ukrajinska tv kuća, ne neki kanadski dobrovoljac ...

Vjerujem da se radi na tome ozbiljno, naravno iza kulisa.

Edit, evo vijesti kod Aslana isto

Još jedan edit, vijest lansirao zamjenik premijera Ukrajine Vereschuk

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Očito je cilj bio da se Putinu da fore prije nego dođe još oružja Ukrajini.

Ma ne vjerujem da će sedmica odgode biti nesto bitna.
Ionako je fizicki nemoguce izvrsiti takav transport u kratkom roku. Mislim da ni ovo sto je do sad odobreno jos sve nije isporuceno.

Interesantan je taj Putinov potpis blokada širom svijeta.

Gdje god ima svoje plaćenike, rade na isti način. Ovo je radio i u Ukrajini, a radi u BiH, EU, USA, Njemačkoj...

Nema pozitivne politike koja nudi alternativu. Samo blokiranje političkog života i rušenje sistema. Odmah se vidi agresorska namjera koju je ponovio dosta puta: zapad je neprijatelj i protiv njega se bori. Nema tu kompromisa i dogovora.

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Ovaj senator nece dobiti bas nista osim se dodatno kompromitovati.
Vojna industrija USA se vec zahuktava i bez zvanicnog pokretanja programa, apsolutno svi sektori vec maksimiziraju proizvodne kapacitete kako bi sto vec komad kolaca ugrabili za sebe.

Vec davno je ovo sazeto u rijecima japanskog generala Isoruku Yamamoto: "Bojim se da smo jedino uspjeli da probudimo velikog, uspavanog diva i da ga ispunimo zastrasujucom odlucnoscu."

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Sasvim je razumno zamijeniti ranjenike za zdrave zarobljenike preko posrednika.
Cak i zdrave borce - za zdrave borce.
Osim ako neces da se izivljavas nad nemocnim ljudima.

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ne slazem se s crnim prognozama.
mozda je i najveca ruska greska to sto su se nafurali da je ovoko ww2. nije ni po cemu. nit su oni napadnuti, nit se ratuje na njihovoj teritoriji, nit mogu logisticki poizvodi jedinice tehnike ko sto su u ww2 niti imaju podrsku zapadne logistike ko u ww2, niti mogu mobilizirati ku ww2. sve je kontra njih.
ko sto se vidi iz ovih pokusaja kotlova, kako vec trolaju zapadnaci faint kako vec. krenuli od kijeva, pa ce sastavit od kersona do hakriva, pa od mariupola do harkiva, pa od dnjepra do donjecka, pa od popasne do izuma, pa sad sjeverodonjeck sam pokusavaju. sve uzi i uzi kotao i pokusaj prilaska s boka, a sve vece i vece zrtve.
vec imaju problema sa vracanjem jedinica u drugu turu koje su otisle kuci, kad mognem naci cu i taj tekst. jednotavno ruje ne zele nazad, a zakonski jer nije rat ne mogu im nista. samoga preraspodjeli na kontra stranu rusije zakaznu ako je pod ugovorom.
rusi nikako ne mogu izaci kao pobjenici iiz ovoga.
ukrima su se poslozile i kockice sa predsjednicima u vasingtonu i londonu, realno, ko sto ih je sreca izdala od 2014 do 2016 tako ih je sad i pratila..
sa britima je sve moguce kako se dzonson nalozio, tako isto i da ima oficire u ukr kao ispomoc. koga briga i ako je istina. ruje su same krive i sve sto ih snadje zasluzili su.
1.20 hladno

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jel bilo? meeeh vrnem koju stranu nazad, deset nema sanse
btw slazem se s madnerom, ukri treba da cuvaju vojnike, i da se i tkaticki povlace ne rizikujuci gubitke citavihjedinica nisu orci, uostalom to bi znacilo i da rade kao zapadne armije. zivida se boris i idući dan kako vec... nece oci nigdje pobjec, valjda
sj.donjeck? ako suu opasnosti vece jedinice na nivou brigada, wth, povuci se organizovano bolje nego da ih istope jer je to i standardan ruski plan. ne igraj po njihovim nego po vojim pravilima.

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Rusi izmisljaju engleze jer ne mogu da podnesu da ih je niza rasa pobijedila.
Kakav nacizam!
A Ukrajinici vec 8 godina rade na svojoj vojsci. Koji ce im q. engleski kapetani i porucnici?
Ako ima koji pukovnik ili general u GŠ, to nije sporno jer treba da služi za koordinaciju obavještajnih službi i logistike.

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sinoc se pojavila ta vijest o turskoj kao trecoj strani u izvlacenju ranjenika, nasto su ukri nuili i do 1000 pow, medjutim sinoc jevijest bila da su ruje hladno odbile ponudu.
ne interesuju njih zivoti njihovih vojnika.

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Rusi izmisljaju engleze jer ne mogu da podnesu da ih je niza rasa pobijedila.
Kakav nacizam!
A Ukrajinici vec 8 godina rade na svojoj vojsci. Koji ce im q. engleski kapetani i porucnici?
Ako ima koji pukovnik ili general u GŠ, to nije sporno jer treba da služi za koordinaciju obavještajnih službi i logistike.

ma to i ja mislim par ljudi radi koordniacaije pa i ako obilaze liniju i to ima smisla, nije bas sad da je gbr ks sva u ukr
doduse svhati u strahu su velike oci
ja od jeza mislim da je vepar

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evo teksta
They were furious’: the Russian soldiers refusing to fight in Ukraine
Troops are saying no to officers, knowing that punishment is light while Russia is not technically at war

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When the soldiers of an elite Russian army brigade were told in early April to prepare for a second deployment to Ukraine, fear broke out among the ranks.

The unit, stationed in Russia’s far east during peacetime, first entered Ukraine from Belarus when the war started at the end of February and saw bitter combat with Ukrainian forces.

“It soon became clear that not everyone was onboard with it. Many of us simply did not want to go back,” said Dmitri, a member of the unit who asked not to be identified with his real name. “I want to return to my family – and not in a casket.”

Along with eight others, Dmitri told his commanders that he refused to rejoin the invasion. “They were furious. But they eventually calmed down because there wasn’t much they could do,” he said.

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He was soon transferred to Belgorod, a Russian city close to the border with Ukraine, where he has been stationed since. “I have served for five years in the army. My contract ends in June. I will serve my remaining time and then I am out of here,” he said. “I have nothing to be ashamed of. We aren’t officially in a state of war, so they could not force me to go.”

Dmitri’s refusal to fight highlights some of the military difficulties the Russian army has faced as a result of the Kremlin’s political decision not to formally declare war on Ukraine – preferring instead to describe the invasion, which will soon reach its fourth month, as a “special military operation”.

Under Russian military rules, troops who refuse to fight in Ukraine can face dismissal but cannot be prosecuted, said Mikhail Benyash, a lawyer who has been advising soldiers who choose that option.

Benyash said “hundreds and hundreds” of soldiers had been in touch with his team for advice on how they could avoid being sent to fight. Among them were 12 national guardsmen from Russia’s southern city of Krasnodar who were fired after refusing to go to Ukraine.

“Commanders try to threaten their soldiers with prison time if they dissent, but we tell the soldiers that they can simply say no,” Benyash said, adding that he was not aware of any criminal cases against soldiers who refused to fight. “There are no legal grounds to start a criminal case if a soldier refuses to fight while on Russian territory.”

Many soldiers, therefore, have chosen to be fired or transferred rather than going into “the meat grinder”, he said.

A similar account to Dmitri’s was given to the BBC’s Russian service by Sergey Bokov, a 23-year-old soldier who at the end of April decided to leave the army after fighting in Ukraine. “Our commanders didn’t even argue with us because we were not the first ones to leave,” Bokov said.

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Pointing to Russia’s military laws, Benyash said it would be more difficult for soldiers to refuse to fight if Russia were to declare a full-scale war. “During wartime, rules are totally different. Refusal then would mean much harsher penalties. They would be looking at time in prison.”

While the exact number of soldiers refusing to fight remains unclear, such stories illustrate what military experts and western governments say is one of Russia’s biggest obstacles in Ukraine: a severe shortage of infantry soldiers.

Moscow initially put about 80% of its main ground combat forces – 150,000 men – into the war in February, according to western officials. But significant damage has been done to that army, which has confronted logistical problems, poor morale and an underestimated Ukrainian resistance.

“Putin needs to make a decision regarding mobilisation in the coming weeks,” said Rob Lee, a military analyst. “Russia lacks sufficient ground units with contract soldiers for a sustainable rotation. The troops are getting exhausted – they won’t be able to keep this up for a long period.”

Lee said one option for the Kremlin would be to authorise the deployment of conscript units to Ukraine, despite Putin’s earlier pledges that Russia would not use any conscripts in the war. “Conscripts could fill some of the gaps, but they will be poorly trained. Many of the units that are supposed to train conscripts are fighting themselves,” Lee said.

But without conscript battalions, Russia could soon “struggle to hold the territory it currently controls in Ukraine, especially as Ukraine receives better equipment from Nato,” he said.

Russian authorities quietly stepped up their efforts to recruit new soldiers as it became clear that a quick victory in Ukraine was unattainable.

An investigation by the BBC’s Russian service showed that Russia’s defence ministry filled employment websites with vacancies, offering people with no combat experience opportunities to join the army on lucrative short-term contracts. Some large government-run companies have received letters urging them to sign up their staff for the army.

Russia has also turned to mercenaries to bolster its war efforts, deploying fighters from the shadowy Kremlin-linked Wagner group.

But analysts say voluntary recruits and mercenary groups are unlikely to lead to a substantial increase in the number of new soldiers, compared with the numbers that a partial or a full-scale mobilisation would bring.

Despite speculation beforehand, Putin did not formally declare war on Ukraine during his Victory Day speech on 9 May.

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Andrei Kolesnikov, a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment, said the authorities may be worried that a general mobilisation would antagonise large sections of the population that support the “special operation”.

Russians “might be in favour of the conflict, but they don’t actually want to fight,” he said, adding that a general mobilisation would entail “colossal losses of untrained soldiers”.

And while the current status of the conflict gives Russian soldiers a legal path to refuse participation, some soldiers have complained that it has also led to them not being adequately cared for.

A junior sergeant said he was injured during one of the recent Ukrainian attacks on the Russian border territory where he was stationed. His superiors argued that he should not be given the monetary compensation of up to £2,500 that wounded Russians are entitled to by law because his injury took place on Russian soil – meaning it did not fall under the rules of Russia’s “special military operation”.

“It is unfair, I am fighting in this war just as the others in Ukraine, risking my life,” the soldier said. “If I don’t get the compensation that I am entitled to soon, I will go public and make a major issue of it.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/ ... in-ukraine

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izdajnicizapeli na granici...

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Au, al rusi najebaše na onoj rijeci pri pokušaju prelaska iste.

Slava Ukrajini!

Citao sam po nekim izvjestajima na twiteru preko 1000 vojnika su izgubili tu, groblje mehanizacije i vojske u 500 kvadratnih metara, strasno.

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Vijest koja se čekala i koja će omogućiti još veće sankcije Rusima.

Za sve zabrinute zbog cijene nafte, Iranci uskaču umjesto Rusa.



Itekako ima veze sa Ukrajinom, da ne bude zabune.

Vidi ovo od 06.3.

Ovo je moguce izvesti na dva nacina: 1) Natjerati arape da proizvode jos vise 2) Zrtvovati sve nas jer smanjen dotok goriva = manja ponuda = veca cijena goriva.

Iran i Turska su bitne karike za EU i njihovu energentsku krizaljku.
Tu je i Azerbejdzan.
Ali Iran jaaaaako bitan

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po ukrima ovde je bio treci pokusaj prelaza... cvrsto su odlucili preci ne pitaju za zrtve

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po nekima vec su presli i ovde napadaju.

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jesulbilina eurosong?
fuj
ljudi ginu u ukraini
a ovi pjevaju

Jesu

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Tom Cooper frisko..

https://medium.com/@x_TomCooper_x/ukrai ... d65b518a4d

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The Russians continued pounding Ukraine with ballistic- and cruise missile strikes, the last three days — but the total number of such attacks significantly decreased. Moreover, they’re meanwhile primarily using Kh-22s and Kh-59s, neither of which can reach deeper into Ukraine. AFAIK, the deepest strike of the last few days hit the Kremenchuk refinery, on the Dnipro River, about 160km north of Dnipro. The same was targeted already on 24 April: now it was hit by four missiles (probably Kh-22s). Mikolayiv was hit again, and another place targeted by a Russian air strike was Novhorod-Siversky, in the Chernihiv area, where at least three were killed and 19 wounded when the local school was hit. Think one must be a Keystone Cop in Moscow to understand the purpose of squandering resources for such purpose..

he Ukrainian Air Force is concentrating all of its air strikes on the RFA in the Bilohorivka area. Must be because the same is as ‘unimportant’ as to be ignored in the mass of reports… At least they seem not to have suffered any losses, the last three days.

Kharkiv…Ukrainian units are short of reaching the border, but there are reports about the RFA regrouping there to prevent their further advance. I find that the most interesting part of this counter-offensive is the fact that the Ukrainians have liberated numerous villages in the Rubizhne area, north of Stariy Saltiv: with this, they’re now within less than 20km — and thus well within artillery range — of Vovchansk: that’s as important because the railway link from Belgorod is running through Vovchansk, and that’s the primary supply line for RFA in the Izium area. Guess, we might get to see UAV-videos of destroyed trains in the coming days (at least that would be encouraging in the current situation).[/quote]

Lyman…the Russians are on attack all the way from Oleksandrivka to Shandryholove and Novoselivka north of the town. Most of Shandryholove is under their control, but the rest of this frontline is holding out. Over the last 4–5 days, Ukrainians claimed the destruction of about 40 different vehicles in this area, including a number of T-72s and T-80s.

Impil/Yampil…is under Russian control, and Ozerno south of it is heavily shelled.

Bilohorivka… to recapitulate: by now it’s obvious that the Russians constructed one pontoon bridge over Siversky Donets west of this place, on 7 May. This was destroyed by Ukrainians. Then another pontoon bridge on 8 or 9 May. This was destroyed by Ukrainians. Then the third bridge on 10 or 11 May. This was destroyed by Ukrainians — and by the time the Ukrainian UAVs recorded the destruction of at least 6 T-72s, 15–20 BMP-2s, 8–10 MT-LBs, about 20 other vehicles, etc., and that just next to one of these bridges. That’s something like complement of at least one BTG of the RFA nowadays. All visually confirmed. Add to this the Ukrainian claims for destruction of about 20–30 other vehicles in the same area over the last 4–5 days, and you’ve got the picture about ferocity of the RFA’s onslaught and the fighting there.

….and still, the Russians just keep on coming — and crossing the river: a bitter battle is reported from inside Bilohorivka for at least three days. There are reports about Russian mechanised troops (that is: troops supported by armoured vehicles) ‘breaching the river’ in several directions, not only in direction towards Verkhnokamyanske/Novoselivka, 5km south-west, but also on Shypylivka.

Can’t help it: I do not feel good about developments in this area — even more so considering reports that the T1302 highway west of Lysychansk is under constant artillery barrage. This is one of crucial supply links into that town, but also to Sieverodonetsk.

Popasna… over the last three days, the Russians have definitely advanced at least 1–2km west of the ruins of this town, in direction of the H3 highway. They are trying to advance north of Popasna, too: seems to have reached Hyzhnie, in direction of Kumyshuvakha, where — contrary to Ukrainian claims — there are no fortifications.

BTW, Ragip Soylu (usually well-informed, and quoting Mustafa Dzhemilev, one of Ukrainian negotiators), reports that Turkey offered to evacuate the survivors of the Mariupol garrison — and promised to keep them in Turkey until the end of the war.

Moscow refused.

The Russians have so much ‘evacuated’ the Zmiyniy Island in the Black Sea, that they brought in a floating crane, unloaded two air defence systems (unclear if SA-13 or SA-15), and additional supplies there. I.e. the garrison is back to strength. The Ukrainians claimed to have hit several additional Russian Navy warships, including a Dygon-class landing craft Ataman Platov, but there is no confirmation for this. Now for the next round…

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rokaj

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i da udju u sj.donjeck, i lisicnjak orci...
opet im na sjeveru visi kupjansk iz pravca harkiv a to je zila kucavica. ukri vuku sve prave poteze, grcevito je i bolje ne moze. no i dalje vuku oblje poteze o orka.

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Bruno Maçães
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Gao Yusheng, former PRC Ambassador to the Ukraine: “The Russian military’s economic and financial strength, which are not commensurate with its status as a so-called military superpower, could not support a high-tech war. The Russian army’s poverty-driven defeat was evident”

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evo one levatske šuplje od juec o ukr gubicima na zmijugi, a sta su uradili uzeli ukr snimke i prikalazi ko svoje, tj svoje gubitke prijavili ko ukr
kakvi levati. treci rim kaze,ergo

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donosioci ruskog sveta , ovako to izgleda, a kukaju na 8 godina granatiranja donnjecka, gdje su ukri takorec na kapiji grada i nistaod ovog ni slicno ne mozemo vidjeti, zvuci takodje poznato