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SanskiBiser wrote: 26/03/2022 13:05 Evo vam Tom Cooper danasnji report.
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Let's title this one, 'Plan E'...
Began writing the following yesterday, primarily to address the question, ‘are the Russian armed forces underperforming – and why?’
This morning, I have a feeling this write-up was ‘overrun by developments’ – though also confirmed to the last dot and comma, and that by nobody less than the latest press conference of the Keystone Cops in Moscow of the last evening. Namely, they have announced that ‘now’ the RFA is to concentrate on the situation in eastern Ukraine.
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The answer is my favourite: ‘yesno’.
Keep in mind that everything a military force does is what its political masters equip, train, and order it to do. If orders of political masters are realistic, the military force is – usually – successful. If not, then not. In this regards there’s next to no difference between democracies and dictatorships – except that in democracies the politicians might be more likely to listen to the advice of their generals. In a dictatorship not only are generals unlikely to properly advise the dictator (for the fear of being ‘removed’), but even the best intelligence service cannot supply a correct assessment of the situation.

In the case of the RFA in Ukraine, matter of fact is that there is only one person determining its military objectives: that is the Fool in Kremlin. Therefore, Putin is the primary culprit for the failure and underperformance of the RFA. He is the secondary culprit, too, for it was his responsibility to take care the RFA to be properly equipped and trained, indeed: reformed and re-armed, the last 20 years. Fact is: it wasn’t, because Putin’s mafia-styled regime is as corrupt and as incompetent as it is. Indeed, Putin’s regime sacked even its own members the moment they began complaining about corruption. Unsurprisingly, the Russian Armed Forces simply couldn’t perform as expected.
Why is all of this important? Because Putin started this war to avoid accountability for all of his own failures of the last 22 years. Not because of ‘NATO’s expansion’ or whatever other kind of nonsense. The aim was to sack Ukraine and thus prevent it from joining the NATO and then the EU; prevent Ukraine from developing democracy and thus having a 'negative' (for Putin) influence upon Russia.
But, I’m digressing… Point is this: Putin ordered Ukraine to be overrun within three days. For this task, Shoygu deployed about 70% of available VDV- and Spetsnaz units, more than half of the Rosgvardia and a brigade of Kadyrov’s Chechens. The VDV and the Spetsnaz are the ‘elite’ of the RFA: definitely best-paid, supposedly best armed- and trained units, too. Rosgvardia and Chechens are comparable to a combination of Waffen-SS, Hitlerjugend, IRGC, and Gestapo: incompetent on military plan, but well-armed and more trusted by Putin than the RFA (so much so, Rosgvardia is nowadays responsible for protection of all the strategically important installations in Russia and occupied parts of Ukraine, including nuclear facilities).

Plan A
Putin’s Plan A was to overrun Ukraine within three days: to kill or capture – i.e. topple – the government and implement a regime change. That plan failed: we do not yet know exactly how and why: it could be it failed the moment the VDV lost the Hostomel Airport to the 4th Rapid Intervention Brigade, and/or the Chechens were hacked to pieces while driving into downtown Kyiv, on the first day of the war. But, there is no clear evidence in this regards, and it's going to be some time before we know for sure.

Plan B
As is obvious by now, Putin had no Plan B. He was (and remains) so obsessed with his illusions about the weakness of democracy and collapse of the West, that he could not imagine any other outcome but a quick victory. When that plan failed, he ordered the RFA to improvise the Plan B. This resulted in a dissipation of effort and utmost chaos: instead of running a ‘victory parade while liberating Ukraine’, the RFA rushed to simultaneously assault Kyiv from north-west and east, to take Mariupol, to take Kharkiv, and to reach Odessa and connect with Transnistria. Based on another illusion (‘Ukrainians are too weak to resist’), the Plan B fell apart in a matter of 2-3 days, too.

Plan C
Undaunted, Putin ordered the RFA into Plan C: besiege Kyiv, Chernihiv, Kharkiv, Mariupol, and Mykolaiv. Force them into submission by wholesale destruction of Ukraine, through murdering civilians, making their life miserable....Still based on unrealistic expectations, this plan failed, too: it only resulted in catastrophic losses of RFA units that attempted to effect all these sieges in too many places at once.

Plan D

Then, around 10-14 March, Putin ordered the RFA to go for the Plan D: secure Ukraine east of Dnepr. The RFA was still improvising and lacked troops for this: the most it managed was an advance from Kherson up the western bank of the river, while simultaneously pushing for Zaporozhye. The first prong run out of steam, until colliding with Ukrainian defences south of Kryvyi Rih, the second was ambushed and de-facto destroyed south-east of Zaporozhye.

Plan E

Now we have clear evidence that Putin ordered the RFA into the Plan E: surround the Ukrainian forces along the LOC in Donbas, and secure Mariupol. The fate of that plan is going to be decided somewhere within triangle Izium-Vuhledar-Zaporozhye, and then by
a) the ability of the RFA to deploy a superior force and punch through into the back of the Ukrainian forces along the LOC, while
b) preventing another massive loss.
Conclusion: the RFA didn't under-perform, but was given unrealistic objectives. Each of objectives was outside of its reach, and thus insufficient forces, support, and supplies were assigned for the task in question. As a result, so far, all the objectives remained outside its reach.
Now, why should anybody care about all of my rambling here?
Pay attention at the following fact: Putin is all the time downsizing his aim. From 'all of Ukraine’, 'collapse of the West' and 'destruction of democracy', via ‘Ukraine east of Dnepr’.... he's now down to 'just the LOC'.
This is about the only 'good' development in this war by now.
Šta znači ovo LOC
From 'all of Ukraine’, 'collapse of the West' and 'destruction of democracy', via ‘Ukraine east of Dnepr’.... he's now down to 'just the LOC'.
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#69677 Re: Ukrajina

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exliberal-ex wrote: 26/03/2022 16:09
Madjarska je clanica EU isto kao I Njemacka koja posalje 100 automatskih puski a u isto vrijeme od Rusije kupuje plin vrijednoti u stotinama miliona eura. Ili Italija ...ili Airbus koji kupuje titanium. Sve EU drzave I firme...vidim svi se odlucili
100 puski samo nista drugo ? :D :D :run:
Ne moras mi vise odgovarati niti imam vremena da se s tobom raspravljam niti zelim .
foe.
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Ukri ocekuju da ce oslobodit kerson uskoro. Ovo je velika stvar.
Shvatite bore se protiv rusa na svojoj zemlji i potiskuju ih od 3 najveca grada kijiva, harkiva i odese. Zapad je naslonjen na tursku i rumuniji i sigran zbog dotura mts. A rst dobija logistika. Dok je zaoad uz ukre imace i jacu logistiku. Moral i pravda i zapad su na njihovoj strani.Predsjednik je u kijivu.
Znaci drzava nije slomljena bez obzira na svu rusku propagandu i zlocine. Rusi nemaju sta nego lagat ko za šojgua ko za ciljeve operacije ko za pocetka rata ko za razloge.
Bice i losih dana, no znatno manje od onog sto se mnogi po evropi nadaju poput orbana i slicnih.
No kvota ostaje 1.35 :bih:
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S kakvim likovima imaju posla.
Jednostsvao rusli agresori lazu za sve i sve sceniraju.
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Evo lazi i za denacifikaciju, vidimo cije memorijale ruše rašisti.
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#69681 Re: Ukrajina

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zrakomlat wrote: 26/03/2022 16:17
SanskiBiser wrote: 26/03/2022 13:05 Evo vam Tom Cooper danasnji report.
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Šta znači ovo LOC
From 'all of Ukraine’, 'collapse of the West' and 'destruction of democracy', via ‘Ukraine east of Dnepr’.... he's now down to 'just the LOC'.
LOC - Line of Control (old frontline between Ukraine and Separatists in the Donbass region)
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SanskiBiser wrote: 26/03/2022 16:25
zrakomlat wrote: 26/03/2022 16:17

Šta znači ovo LOC

LOC - Line of Control (old frontline between Ukraine and Separatists in the Donbass region)
:thumbup: hvala.
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Epidemija srčanih udara. Zašto se o ovome ne priča kao o koroni.
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Švabe tiho i lagano dosad .
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Jel bilo
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Ovo je bitno oko harkiva :izet:
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#69689 Re: Ukrajina

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Sumi harkiv bi se mogli spojit hehehe
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#69690 Re: Ukrajina

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Olaf1 wrote: 26/03/2022 16:28

Epidemija srčanih udara. Zašto se o ovome ne priča kao o koroni.
Korona mala maca za srcane udare ruskih generala :shock: :skoljka:
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#69691 Re: Ukrajina

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Trostyanets je oko Sumija. Ali ne uzimaju ga Ukrainci nego ga brane, to je ofanziva 2. gardijske divizije.
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Borbe su u mariuplu jos :bih:
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madner wrote: 26/03/2022 16:34 Trostyanets je oko Sumija. Ali ne uzimaju ga Ukrainci nego ga brane, to je ofanziva 2. gardijske divizije.
Znam ja da je oko sumija nego namjerno kazem mogli bi se spoijt preko ovih orka kakvi su tvrdi orasi :mrgreen:
Ta druga 2 g
To je gomila starog zeljeza u nastanku hehe
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#69694 Re: Ukrajina

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emigrazione wrote: 26/03/2022 14:59 Sok i nevjerica :lol:
Pa zar Azov ne treba u Moskvu da useta
Ja sam realno ocekivao i ranije da ce se pasti mariupolja tako da ovo nit je kakav sok nit nevjerica bar meni.
Prije 27 godina u bosni je bio šok i nevjerica kakve u ukrajini sigurno necemo nikad vidjet, OSLOBAĐANJE VLAŠIĆA.

Malo je off al ima veze sa šokom i nevjericom. :izet:
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emigrazione wrote: 26/03/2022 14:59 Sok i nevjerica :lol:
Pa zar Azov ne treba u Moskvu da useta
Idi gledaj balkaninfo
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Heroji ukrajine
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Al ih slazu oko sumija sta je ono nako jos na granici haman jos pustaju ove losije da se istrose saće bolji :lol:
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Malo stvarnog stanja ko zeli nek cita, nastavak treda iz tvita..
At the moment, the enemy is trying to "re-arm" a significant amount of equipment, which is arriving from the depots [having been in] long periods of storage. The condition of this equipment is mostly very poor, which makes it impossible to use it fully. /2
At the same time, places are created for storage of equipment removed from the battlefield. In general, the Russian Federation often encounters the problem of the impossibility of renewing equipment after "decommissioning" from storage sites. /3
Three combat vehicles were completely stolen with optical devices and electronics containing precious metals. In particular, four tank divisions of the Russian Federation found out that only one tank is in more or less good condition. /4
The rest are fully equipped. Some of them do not even have engines. At the moment the plans to transfer the equipment removed from storage to the frontline are actually terminated. /5
According to available information, the commander of the 13th Tank Regiment of the 4th Tank Division of the Russian Federation shot himself. /end
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#69699 Re: Ukrajina

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Pozz za komssije koje zalud navijaju i prate rusku propagandu :lol: :bih:
1.35 :bih:
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Nista kevlar obicne limene kante na glavi.
Top oprema ovi su dopuna potrosenih snaga hehe

Idemo dalje :bih:
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