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Spiritbreaker wrote: 24/03/2022 09:49
sumirprimus wrote: 24/03/2022 09:37
bub jos jedan pukovnik. ruslan
Valjda potpukovnik a ne pukovnik.
ok. ambiciozni potpukovnik ti je isto sto i pukovnik 8)
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#68677 Re: Ukrajina

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sumirprimus wrote: 24/03/2022 10:45 glavni im je cilj za zeljezara haman..
ocekivano, ciganima je zeljezo na prvom mjestu
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Since the Ukraine invasion began, Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu and armed forces Chief of Staff Valery Gerasimov have become central figures in war launched by Vladimir Putin.
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When Putin is not alone on the screen, they are usually around. Since the beginning of the Ukraine invasion, Shoigou and Gerasimov have become the faces of the war.
The two are extremely close to Putin. They were, for example, Putin's military cortège during his television announcement on February 28 about having put Russia's nuclear forces on heightened alert.
It is not surprising that the Kremlin decided to put Shoigu and Gerasimov in the spotlight. In Putin’s eyes, they are the architects of the successful campaign to annex Crimea in 2014, Russia's military strategy in Syria as well as the support for the pro-Russian rebels in the Donbas region.
The duo is also perceived to be being among the most loyal of Putin's followers. Interestingly, both were appointed within weeks of each other to their respective posts in 2012.
It has been said that Shoigu will remain in office as long as Gerasimov remains chief of staff and vice versa. However, these two men on the front line of implementing the will of the Russian president in Ukraine have very different backgrounds and profiles.

Sergei Shoigu
Shoigu is the eternal heir apparent. He is one of the rare members of the first circle of power to have had as much influence under Boris Yeltsin at the end of the 1990s as under Putin.

The 66-year-old apparatchik began his political career at the end of the Soviet era, becoming defence minister in 2012 despite lacking military experience. It is a peculiarity not uncommon under Putin, who is keen to keep senior officers out of this position. However, Shoigu also does not have any experience of the secret services, which is much less common among those close to Putin.

His great quality is that he is “a servant to the tsar and a father to soldiers”, writes the Russian daily Moscow Times, paraphrasing Mikhail Lermontov’s famous poem “Borodino” in praise of the heroism of the Russian army.

Sergei Konvis, a politician from the Siberian region of Tuva, where Shoigu comes from, described him less lyrically as a “perfect chameleon”, capable of transforming himself at will to suit the pleasure of his leaders.

Thus, under Yeltsin, he became the minister of emergency situations. By the turn of the 21st century, the ministry had become a veritable state within a state, with more than 350,000 men and even a special police force ready to be deployed to combat any fire on Russian soil. He was a very active minister who never failed to visit the scene of a tragedy, which earned him great popularity – and a presumption that he would be Yeltsin's successor.

However, it was Putin who took power in 2002. Shoigu did not seem to take offence and immediately put himself at the service of the new strong man of Kremlin. He notably headed the United Russia party, in the pay of Putin, in order to cement the president's hold on the Russian political game.

Shoigu has also invited Putin several times to his house in Tuva, where he has organised high-profile fishing parties.

He is not just an klix courtier, however. According to “The Guardian”, Shoigu is described as being responsible for the vast modernisation of the Russian army. As defence minister, Shoigu also supervised the feared Russian military intelligence service or GRU, which is suspected of having stepped up assassination operations in Europe in the 2010s, including the attempted poisoning of former double agent Sergei Skripal in Salisbury in 2018.

Valery Gerasimov
Valery Gerasimov has attained mythic status. The career soldier was born in 1955 in Kazan, one of the most populous cities in Russia. He served in the armoured divisions of the Red Army throughout the former Soviet Union.

Gerasimov was also one of the commanders of the North Caucasus army during the second Chechen war (1999-2009). The BBC reported in 2012 that the famous journalist and critic of the Russian government Anna Politkovskaya, who was murdered in 2006, had described him as an example of “a man who knew how to preserve his honour as an officer” during that war. Gerasimov’s claim to fame was that he had arrested and convicted a Russian soldier accused of brutalising and murdering a young Chechen woman during the conflict.

Gerasimov, described by Shoigu as a “military man from head to toe”, led operations in Ukraine in 2014, in Syria and now, again, in Ukraine.

His international fame, however, is based on a misunderstanding. He is said to be the inventor of Russian “hybrid warfare”, which combines the use of conventional weapons with non-military methods – such as disinformation or cyberattacks – to prepare the ground for soldiers. There is even a “Gerasimov doctrine” named for this military approach.

But the inventor of this term, Mark Galeotti, a British expert of Russian military issues, has repeatedly tried to correct the record. He emphasises that there is no such official doctrine in Russia and that Gerasimov is not a war theorist.

The misunderstanding stems from a speech Gerasimov gave in 2013, in which he said the “border between war and peace had become increasingly blurred” and that “non-military means of achieving strategic goals had gained in importance”.

The speech seemed prophetic to observers following the annexation of Crimea, where such unconventional means (pro-Russian propaganda, false-flag operations to justify wartime goals) were used.

According to the “Financial Times”, the “Gerasimov doctrine” gained traction and the speech of the chief of staff was studied very closely in Washington. But Gerasimov's analysis “did not describe how the Russian army should act, but how he thought the West operated”, Ruslan Pukhov, director of the Russian Centre for the Analysis of Strategies and Technologies, told the paper.

Gerasimov thought hybrid war was what the US had used to foment the Arab Spring uprisings and that Washington was trying to use it against Moscow.

“Unfortunately, like a creature in a horror movie, this idea of a 'hybrid warfare' doctrine has taken hold in Washington analyst circles. There have been entire theories in which the 'Gerasimov doctrine' is a central piece of ‘chaos theory’ of political warfare against the West," wrote Michael Kofman, one of the leading US specialists on the Russian army.

As Galeotti wrote, Gerasimov and his mythical doctrine embodied the return of the Russian military villain, “even though he probably didn't even write the damn speech himself”.
tekst o ovoj dvojici, pitaju se svi gdje su nestali :)
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#68679 Re: Ukrajina

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agent_zero wrote: 24/03/2022 10:50
janje_ wrote: 24/03/2022 10:12
austrijski ORF javlja jutros da su orci zauzeli Izjum.. :sad:
Loše, ako je istina :roll:
Izjum su vec jednom do pola uzimali i dizali zastavu i onda istjerani bili, pa su pokusali ponovo i odbijeni uz velike gubitke i sad je ovo neka treca ofanziva na Izijum i vode se zestoke borbe ali grad je jos uvijek pod kontrolom Ukrajinaca (barem po tvitovima ljudi koji su iz tog mjesta) jos su vijest o zauzimanju objavili ruski mediji bez dokaza i snimaka za sad. Tako da treba sacekati...
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#68680 Re: Ukrajina

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Naslovnica wrote: 24/03/2022 08:45 Gdje im je ova skalamerija?! :-)

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zubr je možda najjača stvar koju ruska mornarica ima od brodova, mislim da ih imaju samo 2 u upotrebi
ostalo je ili ispodprosječno ili prosječno, zubr je baš specifičan i treba im čestitati kako su napravili
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#68681 Re: Ukrajina

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Nekog su granatirali i na ovom cosku..
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#68683 Re: Ukrajina

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meni je zao ovog potpukovnika
volio bih da je sto drugih nego on, eto nesto mi tesko palo sto je suncokretio

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#68684 Re: Ukrajina

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sumirprimus wrote: 24/03/2022 10:45

kazu nisu daleko ovi ceceni jos uvijek dogurali. i geolocijrau ih.. glavni im je cilj za zeljezara haman..
ovaj donji snimak ne gornji embeduje ga ruzno ebga..
oni mi Allahovo ime spominju? nije cudo u kakvoj je situaciji muslimanski faktor.
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#68685 Re: Ukrajina

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janje_ wrote: 24/03/2022 10:58 Zanimljivo je da istovaraju vozila sa oznakom Z, a ne V sto bi trebala biti morska flota. To opet pametnog detektiva Kokni Kola navodi na misao, da su "uzajmili" vozila sa nekog drugog fronta, da ih dovedu na jug, vjerovatno da pojacaju napade na Mariuopolj, sto opet znaci, da je bas knap na svim frontovima i da se kula od karata jednom mora srusiti.
čine se kao utovar vozila mada ne mijenja suštinu posta
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#68686 Re: Ukrajina

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Šojgu je zauzet, kaže Peskov.
Questioned as to why defence minister Sergei Shoigu had not been seen in public for some time, reporters were told that he was busy with Ukraine, and now was not the time for media activity.
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#68687 Re: Ukrajina

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Zna li se koji brod je pogodjen. koliko stete?
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#68688 Re: Ukrajina

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kaze pored metro stanice univerzitet u harkivu pao kalibr ispaljen od strane ruske mornarice. definitivon ispaljuj sve st imaju, ovo je vjerovatno odo nog snimka od juce sto su pokazivali sa krima sa broda kako ispaljuje. i bub na zmelju nista pogodio nije :lol: :-)
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namiami wrote: 24/03/2022 11:26 V, z o, ništa ne znači i samo su nagadjanja. Koliko ja znam, nema zvanicne informacije šta znače.

Isto i oni audio razgovori koji mogu biti tacni, ali vrlo lako mogu biti i lazni (vojnici s porodicom, ili izmedju sebe).
s obzirom na raspad orskih komunikacija, otprilike da nista ne znaci.. vjerovatno je bila neka zamisao na pocetku..
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malo i od ukra sa linije i iz šume :)
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#68691 Re: Ukrajina

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jos gori , ete vrtoleti ispituju situaciju, kolko sta kako, imal prezivjelih.
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#68692 Re: Ukrajina

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progrm "denacifikacije" ukrajine nametanje svojg jezika i nastavnog plana i programa. poznato? dfeju vu? ma nisu oni takvi, treba pogledat i sta amerika radi.
nato ih je isprovociro, ne bi putin sam nikad!
aa jok.
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Kad prije napravise ove montaze
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#68694 Re: Ukrajina

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pa kaze ukupne zalihe gbr nlaw su cca 14k... vec su dali 4 k ukrima i obecali jos 6k.. otpisi vremenom na vjezbe koij i vec su u belaju fali...
morace pocet vec sad dobavljat. no ne brinem se ja za zapadanjake jednom kad ubace u vecu brzinnu, svi ostali zaostaju, uostalom ww2 na koji se svi poziavju, itekako je zapadna logistika odigrala ulogu i kod crvene armije, pa i pjesadija u vidu ukrajinaca :)
bice toga jos dok si reko nlaw... evo svedi kazu jods 5000, pa njemci jos koju hiljadu, ima toga ko kikirikija, nemaju ruje na brojnom stanju ukupno toliko prevoza sve sa civilnim kamionetima :chmoljava:
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#68695 Re: Ukrajina

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sumirprimus wrote: 24/03/2022 09:48
BiBi911 wrote: 24/03/2022 09:43


Mnogo ljepse, preciznije, srcu draze ono sa prigusivacem. Ova puskica iz 1951 je samo teofej mada bih volio da je jedno 50 UKRAINSKIH vojnika natovarilo na sebe po 50 ovih iz 1951
druze sto 51*? ovo su novi kalasi ak 12 od skora od prije par godina, u upotrebi u ruskoj vojsci i to u ovim boljim jedinicam.
cak po ručci baca malo i na ak15 koja je bila u test fazi kolko sam razumio.
ak12 je 5,45
ak15 je 7,62
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:izet: :izet: :izet: :izet:
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uuu aaa uu aa thats the sound of the man, wlaking down in chains.. ua uaa :izet:
sta se to cuje? nesto ko novi stingeri i lojtering mjunišn, lojtering mining drončići :izet:
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#68698 Re: Ukrajina

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sumirprimus wrote: 24/03/2022 11:38 pa kaze ukupne zalihe gbr nlaw su cca 14k... vec su dali 4 k ukrima i obecali jos 6k.. otpisi vremenom na vjezbe koij i vec su u belaju fali...
morace pocet vec sad dobavljat. no ne brinem se ja za zapadanjake jednom kad ubace u vecu brzinnu, svi ostali zaostaju, uostalom ww2 na koji se svi poziavju, itekako je zapadna logistika odigrala ulogu i kod crvene armije, pa i pjesadija u vidu ukrajinaca :)
bice toga jos dok si reko nlaw... evo svedi kazu jods 5000, pa njemci jos koju hiljadu, ima toga ko kikirikija, nemaju ruje na brojnom stanju ukupno toliko prevoza sve sa civilnim kamionetima :chmoljava:
ono gdje zadnjih dana steka je PVO.. po americkim podacima rusi prave 250-300 letova treuntno.. s druge strane, malo se prijavljuje letecih orka da su suncokretili.. valjda se to popravi uskoro.. ako rusi upostave apsolutnu dominaciju na nebu, moglo bi biti zajebano opet.
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#68699 Re: Ukrajina

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jao_situacije wrote: 24/03/2022 11:40
sumirprimus wrote: 24/03/2022 09:48

druze sto 51*? ovo su novi kalasi ak 12 od skora od prije par godina, u upotrebi u ruskoj vojsci i to u ovim boljim jedinicam.
cak po ručci baca malo i na ak15 koja je bila u test fazi kolko sam razumio.
ak12 je 5,45
ak15 je 7,62
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he sad nije ko nijedna ta. neka inacica, uglavnom ovo je nova rusak puska. nije stara iz 50tih ko sto neko rece. sto posto.
12ka im je u opticaju vec par godina.
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#68700 Re: Ukrajina

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janje_ wrote: 24/03/2022 11:42
sumirprimus wrote: 24/03/2022 11:38 pa kaze ukupne zalihe gbr nlaw su cca 14k... vec su dali 4 k ukrima i obecali jos 6k.. otpisi vremenom na vjezbe koij i vec su u belaju fali...
morace pocet vec sad dobavljat. no ne brinem se ja za zapadanjake jednom kad ubace u vecu brzinnu, svi ostali zaostaju, uostalom ww2 na koji se svi poziavju, itekako je zapadna logistika odigrala ulogu i kod crvene armije, pa i pjesadija u vidu ukrajinaca :)
bice toga jos dok si reko nlaw... evo svedi kazu jods 5000, pa njemci jos koju hiljadu, ima toga ko kikirikija, nemaju ruje na brojnom stanju ukupno toliko prevoza sve sa civilnim kamionetima :chmoljava:
ono gdje zadnjih dana steka je PVO.. po americkim podacima rusi prave 250-300 letova treuntno.. s druge strane, malo se prijavljuje letecih orka da su suncokretili.. valjda se to popravi uskoro.. ako rusi upostave apsolutnu dominaciju na nebu, moglo bi biti zajebano opet.
jedno je bl-borbeni let, a drugo borbeno dejstvo, pola od tih bl uopste ne pridju ukr niti dejstvuju.
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