Ukrajina

[sumirprimus]

ma nema sanse to sta vam je.. da dignu ljestviu dotura prvo bi dosli akinci koji su sami doboljni jer su bespilotni predatori i u odnosu na tb2...
ovo da ide tb2 sa municijom i kamikaza dronovi, lojteri sto bi rekli anglosasi, ko one izraelske haropi.. to bi bio bingo. jebo i avione.

[Kikibombona]

Rusima ni pod razno ne odgovara nezavisni Krim i Donbas nakon ove katastrofalne "specijalne agresije". Pardon operacije. Zasto? Zato sto su svjesni da vise nemaju kontrole nad Ukrajinom. Vise je nego ocito da vojni uspjeh nece postici. Moralni neuspjeh je ocit jer ukrajinci sad ne da ne vole ruse, nego ih i mrze. Sta im preostaje? Preostaje im jedino politicka arena u kojoj ce napraviti "Ruski entitet" u Ukrajini koji se sastoji od Donbasa, Krima i istocne Ukrajnie (Sto zauzmu u ostatku rata) i da taj entitet po uzoru na RS ima pravo veta na drzavnom nivou. Konstitutivnost naroda. Na taj nacin ce politicki moci sprijeciti Ukrajinu da se ukljuci u EU ili NATO bas kao sto RS moze sprijeciti BiH. Ono, cisto na papiru. To bi istovremeno znacilo da ce ukrajinska strana brzo uvidjeti da konstitutivnost naroda znaci lagano izbjegavanje odgovornosti i kroz izvjesno vrijeme ce se stvoriti nova sorta ratnih profitera koji ce malo po malo prodavati drzavu za svoj licni interes.

Ako rusi uspiju nekako obraditi ukrajince na ovo, uspjeli su. Ako ukrajinci pristanu, naivni su. A postoji mogucnost da pristanu ako ovi krenu raketirati sa hemijskim i bioloskim oruzjem i uz pretnju nuklearnim oruzjem. Amerika i EU ce biti presretni da je rat stao i da je dogovor postignut. Pouceni balkanskim iskustvom uvidice da im odgovara takva ukrajina jer ce se do 2035-e desiti veliki odliv mozgova, a to evropi treba. Jedna nefunkcionalna drzava bi bila idealno geopoliticko rjesenje ali samo pod uslovom da Evropa pristane na to. Medjutim, Evropa se sada ujedinila vise nego ikad i skontali su da je ekonomska politika dobra sve do jedne granice. Sad je ta granica ozbiljno predjena. Svi su svjesni da se Rusija moze sada iscrpiti ali ce se za 20 godina oporaviti i onda opet imas novi problem.

Iz ruske perspektive, entiteti su definitivno jedini izlaz.

Za Krim se ne bih kladio. Rusi su već u Ustav dodali da je Republika Krim sastavni dio Ruske Federacije. Inace, Krim je u Ukrajini imao status autonomne pokrajine a Rusi visedecenijsko pravo na korištenje vojne luke u Sevastopolju.

Rusi prema Krimu gaje odredjene emocije. Vjerujem da ne postoji tacka na karti gdje su vise ginuli kako bi Krim bio dio ruske države. Od ratova sa Otomanima pa dalje.

I na kraju, Krim je bio dio Rusije sve do 1954. kada je Nikita Hruscov pokrajinu predao Ukrajini, pravdajuci odluku cinjenicom da je Krim blize Kijevu nego Moskvi i da ce se brze razvijati ako preda Republici Ukrajini. Ruski nacionalisti smatraju da iza odluke stoji cinjenica da je Hruscov kao dijete preselio u Ukrajinu i da je u toj zemlji sluzio veci dio zivota. I supruga mu je Ukrajinka.

Krim ima veliki geostrateski znacaj jer 'ulazi' duboko u Crno more. Nije slučajno poluotok kroz istoriju bio poprište najgorih sukoba. Rusi su vise puta ratovali sa Otomanima radi Krima, u ratovima sa milionskim zrtvama.

Ja ne vjerujem da ce vratiti Krim.

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Donbas je skroz druga prica, za Rusiju apsolutno nebitan. Pokrajinu koriste samo kako bi CIJELU Ukrajinu ocuvali u svojoj orbiti. Isto su napravili sa Osjetijom i Abhazijom. Te mikro tacke im ne trebaju, ali su vazne kako bi drzali Gruziju u svojoj orbiti. Isto ce pokusati sa Donbasom, traziti za njih pravo veta, koje ce naravno biti instrument u rukama Moskve.

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Rusima je sada cilj uzeti pola Ukrajine, ozbiljno zaprijetiti Kijevu, kako bi Ukrajinu natjerali na federalno uredjenje. Makar ja tako vidim.

[vatrogasac]

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grafik scene unistenih orka oko harkiva!¨!!
zima jarane k da je po januara tamo al na vlasicu

Kako je ova gvožđurija nekada moćno izgledala na vojnim paradama u Moskvi. Daleko moćnije od Dodikovih Despota.

[splinter]

https://www.klix.ba/vijesti/svijet/dron ... /220315012

Ovo je nedaleko od Cluja , da li je u pitanju ista putanja kao i prethodni dron?
I ovdje neki poljoprivrednik obogatio svoju kolekciju

[Samprotivsviju]

https://www.klix.ba/vijesti/svijet/dron ... /220315012

Ovo je nedaleko od Cluja , da li je u pitanju ista putanja kao i prethodni dron?
I ovdje neki poljoprivrednik obogatio svoju kolekciju

Ovi dronovi izgledaju ko avioni iz 2 svjetskog rata

[mali_balon]

zlatno pravilo tviter fejsbuk tiktok watsap generacije, slikaj ili se nije ni desilo. jesam koju ovu drustvenu profulo?

Malo mi cudna ova municija, haj top inekako moze proc....ali ove gume.....jedino ako je odavno ukopano....a ako su ofanzivna dejstva municija ide direkt iz kutije sa kamiona i nema vremena za ukopavanje ide se dalje....bukvalno dodjes otkacis pozicioniras i pali.....a za ovakvo ukopavanje moras biti tu duze od 20dana

[sumirprimus]

https://www.klix.ba/vijesti/svijet/dron ... /220315012

Ovo je nedaleko od Cluja , da li je u pitanju ista putanja kao i prethodni dron?
I ovdje neki poljoprivrednik obogatio svoju kolekciju

sto bi rekli anglosasi elektronikvorfer na steroidima

[lajkujMe]

Jedna mala sala od mene

NATO: hrabri ste ratnici predsjednice Zelensky nudimo vam svo naoruzanje NATOa samo recite i dobice te sve.

Zelensky: bas sve?

NATO: Da! Bas sve, tenkovi, PVO, avioni, rakete, nuklearke ama bas sve!

Zelenski: A traktori? Treba nam hiljade traktora

NATO: Traktor?

Zelenski: Jedan traktor po danu pokloni jedan Ruski tenk

[Gandalf]

Amerikancima je napustanjem Afganistana bio najbolji potez u posljednje vrijeme. To se najbolje vidi sada. Nisu dzaba Nato instruktori vec 7,8 godina u Ukrajini. Ulozeno je toliko puno u Ukrajinu i nema sanse da je Ukrajina odustala od Nato-a, niti Nato od Ukrajine.

Afganistan je bila skupa avantura, to je propala zemlja od koje nikada nece biti nesto.

Vjerovatno znali za invaziju i odlucili sta im je bitnije.

Definitivno su procijenili da Afganistan nikada neće imati taj potencijal za postati nešto više od talibanske vukojebine. Snage su pomjerili ka Evropi, sada mnoge stvari postaju jasnije, zašto su se desile. Napad na Ukrajinu su amerikanci najavljivali a evropljani sumnjičavo vrtili glavom. Sada evropljani ne misle tako, jasno je i najtupljem eu birokrati da putler nije prosvijećeni diktator već hitler ovog stoljeća. Saradnja sa njim će kada tada dovesti do "denacifikacije" svake države za koju putler procijeni da je potrebno da dovodi svoje "mirovnjake".

[sumirprimus]

bila ne bila heroji mariupola...
navijacki hard core uz Ukrajince all the way

[Ironmen]

Najzesci dan od pocetka rata je danas, svakim danom rat sve vise i vise eskalira..

Izgleda da su pregoviri pijesak u oci i sa jedne i sa druge strane, ja ne vidim nacin na koji ovaj rat moze biti zaustavljen osim da eskalira u jos nesto vece.

[madner]

Kinezi ce podrzati Putina. Nikako njima ne pase da USA i EU brzo pobjede, ili da dodje neko u Rusiju ko bi opet bio dobar sa Njemcima.

Rusiji treba para, dovoljno je da kupuju resurse da mogu nastaviti.

Hajd sad nadji koliko Kina iyvoyi u US a koliko u Rusiju i koja država više treba Kini .

Kina je preveliko trziste da prihvate gubitak istog kako bi kaznili Rusiju.

[sumirprimus]

jel ovo uopste moguce? il je neka patka? kakve ovo moze imati sve reprekusije

[Naslovnica]

Who was Alexey Glushchak, Russian spy captain killed in Ukraine?

https://groundreport.in/who-was-alexey- ... n-ukraine/



Ovog je bekana trebalo lišiti života samo zbog "frizure".

[boshniak]

Who was Alexey Glushchak, Russian spy captain killed in Ukraine?

https://groundreport.in/who-was-alexey- ... n-ukraine/



Ovog je bekana trebalo lišiti života samo zbog "frizure".

Meni je ovo stereotip prosjecnog rusa, njima su ove frizure neki trend.

[sumirprimus]

[sumirprimus]

Who was Alexey Glushchak, Russian spy captain killed in Ukraine?

https://groundreport.in/who-was-alexey- ... n-ukraine/



Ovog je bekana trebalo lišiti života samo zbog "frizure".

Meni je ovo stereotip prosjecnog rusa, njima su ove frizure neki trend.

ne valja stereotipizirati ali su im zene mrak u odnosu na muske

[sumirprimus]

jos mal ourske denacifikacije od jutros kijeva
sta kaze tuku po nacionalistima, po velesicima, tamo nema puno ruskog zivlja jele
jaje jajetu!

[zigzag]

Ne znam sa čim udaraju ali kupole se raspadaju.

[Naslovnica]

Ne znam sa čim udaraju ali kupole se raspadaju.

"Ammo rack explosion"

[Kikibombona]

Zamjenik predsjedavajućeg ruskog parlamenta ce licno voditi urbane borbe u Marijupolju



Adam Delimkanov stigao u Marijupolj, obraca se cecenskim borcima

[sumirprimus]

Jos jedan odlican tekst by WP uvid u prvu liniju na irpinu. .. ko voli ..


How Kyiv’s outgunned defenders have kept Russian forces from capturing the capital
By Sudarsan Raghavan
Today at 9:00 p.m. EDT

IRPIN, Ukraine — The bodies of Russian soldiers were scattered by the wreckage of charred military vehicles and shelled buildings. Twenty feet away, behind tanker trucks, Ukrainian volunteers stood watch, their eyes on a cement mixer about 500 yards away. Behind it were Russian troops on the edges of Bucha, the next town over.

This front line in Irpin, on Kyiv’s northwest outskirts, had not moved in two weeks despite the Russian military superiority. That itself was a victory for Cmdr. Casper and his fighters.

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“The Russians were trying to push forward,” said the short, burly unit leader who did not give his full name for security reasons but goes by a nom de guerre. “But they didn’t expect that the Ukrainians were waiting for them.”


A family and their two dogs arrive at a damaged bridge as they flee Irpin on March 12. (Heidi Levine for The Washington Post)
When Russian forces seized control of a military airport in Hostomel, a few miles north of Irpin, on the first day of the war, many military observers expected a rapid takeover of Kyiv. But more than two weeks later, Russian troops have struggled to advance.

Russian forces press toward cities as diplomatic efforts yield no breakthroughs

A visit to two active front lines — Irpin and near Brovary, northeast of the capital’s center — offered insights into the strategies, tactics and capabilities of Ukrainian forces defending Kyiv as well as apparent Russian tactical errors and miscalculations of Ukraine’s resistance.

The United States and as many as 20 other nations, mostly NATO and European Union members, have pledged to send Ukrainian forces significant shipments in weaponry, including Javelin antitank missiles, Stinger surface-to-air missiles, machine guns and sniper rifles. It’s unclear how many of these added arms have reached Ukrainian forces in Kyiv, leaving them to rely on the arsenal at hand and adapt their tactics in the field.

“The Russians were not ready for unconventional warfare,” said Rob Lee, senior fellow at the Foreign Policy Research Institute and an expert on Russian defense policy. “They were not ready for unconventional tactics. They are not sure how to deal with this insurgency, guerilla-warfare-type situation.”

To be sure, most military analysts and Western officials still predict that Russian forces will eventually encircle Kyiv and push into the capital, possibly aided by airstrikes. While this could prove true, it’s far from clear whether Russia will prevail.


For the Ukrainian forces, this war is one of attrition. They appear to be trying to slow and wear down the Russian military, creating conditions for a stalemate on the outer boundaries of Kyiv. That would buy the Ukrainians time for other pressures on Russian President Vladimir Putin.

Off the battlefield, these include tightening international sanctions on Russia and diplomatic efforts for Russian concessions. On the fronts, Putin’s forces face more Western heavy weaponry delivered to Ukraine, and a growing global outrage for killing civilians and bombing residential areas and hospitals — acts that could be potential war crimes.

Two attacks rocked residential areas in Kyiv on March 14, killing at least two people. Residents fear violence will only intensify as Russian forces close in. (Jon Gerberg, Jorge Ribas/The Washington Post)
Russian forces have struck at least 9 medical facilities, visual evidence shows

In interviews, Ukrainian soldiers also said they capitalized on the Russians’ own flaws, including using predictable strategies, a lack of knowledge of local terrain and even a surprising unpreparedness for a grinding conflict. Reports have surfaced on social media and on battlefields of Russian soldiers running out of food, water and gas for their vehicles. Some have reportedly surrendered after they got lost or due to low morale. Russian military convoys have slowed down or halted due to mechanical failures.

“Ukraine’s main game is a game for time,” said Michael Kofman, director of Russian studies at the Center for Naval Analyses. “To try to do something else is going to waste a lot of military potential they have available. Are they in a position to drive Russians forces out of Ukraine? No. Are they in a position to win the war? Yes.”

Across the country, Ukrainian forces have fallen back to the cities, refusing to engage with Russian forces in rural areas, out in the open. While Moscow has gained control of southern cities such as Kherson and Melitopol, it is struggling to take over nearby Mariupol as well as other hubs across Ukraine such as Kharkiv, Chernihiv and Sumy.

That is also the case in the southern city of Mykolaiv where, for more than a week now, Ukrainian forces have prevented a major Russian advance west toward the strategic port Odessa.

In Kyiv, the seat of government, the stakes cannot be higher.

So far, Ukraine’s defenders have blocked Russia’s primary effort: encircle and seize the capital, using the airfield in Hostomel as an air bridge for more tanks, armored vehicles and other weaponry. Ukrainian forces have shot down several Russian helicopters and so far prevented a major Russian armored column from pressing into the capital. Meanwhile, a solid air-defense system has been mobilized against airstrikes and missile attacks.

Russia claims it is not hitting civilians. Scenes in cities tell a different story.

“The biggest problem is that [Russia] didn’t organize a proper military operation,” Kofman said. “They thought they were just going to drive in and they weren’t going to get a fight. That led to a lot of disasters because they didn’t plan.”

Seesaw battles have unfolded in the areas of Hostomel, Bucha and Irpin — a possible harbinger of the urban, street-by-street warfare that could envelop the capital if Russian forces break through.

On Saturday, large plumes of black smoke rose above the town of Bucha amid the incessant thuds of shells landing. “We have planted antitank mines everywhere,” Casper said with a laugh.


Ukrainian forces with rocket-propelled grenades cross under a damaged bridge in Irpin on March 12. (Heidi Levine for The Washington Post)
Battle for Brovary
Roughly 40 miles away, on the other side of the capital, Russian forces tried to push into Kyiv from the northeast. A column of tanks moved down a main highway toward the town of Brovary. As they passed a cluster of houses, the Ukrainian forces saw an opportunity.

They pummeled the convoy with artillery shells and antitank missiles, destroying or disabling several tanks and armored personnel carriers. Russian soldiers fled their vehicles and ran into the woods, according to videos posted on social media by Ukraine’s military. One tank slowly rolled to a halt, engulfed in flames. (The videos could not be independently verified but fit with descriptions of the battle provided by Ukrainian fighters and doctors treating the wounded.)

The ambush unveiled the Russians’ ineffective and, at times, inexplicable tactics, military analysts said.


A family arrives on a bus in Brovary with hundreds of others evacuated from the area of Velyka Dymerka on March 13. (Heidi Levine for The Washington Post)
The tanks and other military vehicles were crawling slowly on the open highway, making them an easy target. They also were bunched up close to each other, which allowed a single artillery shell to knock out multiple vehicles. There were also no dismounted infantry troops moving parallel in the woods or alongside the column to detect potential ambushes.

What was also surprising, analysts said, is that some of the tanks were generations old and not well-equipped, including the T-72, a Soviet-era tank that first entered production more than 50 years ago.

“It’s kind of bizarre seeing this,” Lee of the Foreign Policy Research Institute said. “Kyiv is the decisive mission, the decision objective, and yet they are sending in some very old units to take it.”

The ambush also led to civilian casualties. The Russian soldiers who fled the convoy hid in nearby villages and shot anyone they deemed suspicious. Over the following two days, 23 civilians and soldiers arrived at the Brovary Central District Hospital, many with bullet wounds, said Valentin Baganyuk, the hospital’s director.

They included members of a family shot after they left their house. As the father drove, bullets hit his hand, blowing three fingers off, and wounded him in the head as well. His 14-year-old daughter was also struck. The father managed to drive to safety.

“The Russians targeted them as they tried to escape from their village,” Baganyuk said.


‘Line to defend’
Tucked inside the forests on the northwestern edges of Kyiv, Ukrainian artillery batteries have battered Russian positions inside Irpin and Bucha in attempts to slow a possible advance. The bridge connecting the capital to Irpin was demolished by Ukrainian forces to stop Russian armored vehicles from crossing.

As an added precaution, the road from the destroyed bridge into Kyiv’s center has been barricaded every 100 yards by large concrete blocks, tanker trucks, tires and sandbags.

On the other side of the bridge, at the entrance to Irpin’s center, volunteer armed groups have dug trenches on a hill with a commanding vantage point to strike Russian forces or attempt to ambush them.


In front of the hill, Ukrainian fighters wearing camouflage were positioned behind trees. Other fighters were inside buildings. They looked out on streets that Russians would need to move toward Kyiv.

“They have their own line to defend, and we have to keep our position,” said Igor Zadorozhny, 30, a former army officer now defending the city in an armed unit set up by Irpin’s mayor. “Right now, there is a stalemate.”

The conflict is a meld of small confrontations often at Ukrainian checkpoints, tit-for-tat artillery shelling and moments of heavy street battles.

“They attack our posts,” said Artiem, 34, a realtor-turned-soldier. “Then we attack them, and they run back.” Like all Ukrainian fighters interviewed by The Washington Post along the front lines, he declined to give his full name for security reasons.

He said Russian forces don’t know Irpin’s geography. At times, they make wrong turns or end up getting stuck on small streets in their tanks and armored vehicles. That has allowed Ukrainian fighters inside buildings to strike them.

“[The Russians] are disoriented in the city,” Artiem said.

Clutching a rifle, the former army officer Zadorozhny said Ukrainian forces were waiting for civilians to evacuate Irpin before “we start to clear the city” of Russians.

“They don’t have enough provisions, food, water,” he said, recounting reports from residents of Russian soldiers looting houses and stores. “They don’t have a lot of gasoline. They will get tired. And then we will go and drive them out.”

Local knowledge of the urban terrain was a major asset for Kyiv’s defenders, Zadoroshny said. “Everything, every stone, every tree is for us,” he said.

Another fighter, 32-year-old Roman, said residents have been providing intelligence to help target the Russians in areas where there is still cellphone reception.

“They are trying to take Kyiv, but they won’t,” Ramon said. “Everything is helping us.”


‘Defend our positions’
With Russian ground forces slowed down, another questions grows: Will Moscow escalate bombing Kyiv to pressure the government to surrender or flee? So far, the capital has largely escaped the barrage of airstrikes and shelling that have hammered cities such as Kharkiv and Chernihiv.

At Casper’s checkpoint, Russian forces have intensified their attacks. Tanks fired between 20 to 25 shells, demolishing a large blue house next to the Ukrainian’s base on Friday. The Ukrainians didn’t fire back.

“Our goal is to defend our positions, not to attack the Russians,” Casper said.

Such a tactic is smart, military analysts said.

Ukraine’s military can’t compete with the might of Russian weaponry and need to conserve a much smaller arsenal rather than waste resources on counteroffensives. Casper said they also wanted to keep the road from Bucha open to allow more civilians to flee. Firing back could turn the road into a battle zone, he said.

The Russians, he added, have sent teams to explode Ukrainian mines. So what if Russian tanks do roll down the road toward his checkpoint one day?

Casper smiled and walked to a warehouse. He came out with a British-supplied NLAW antitank missile and a rocket-propelled grenade.

“We know how to greet them,” he said, handling the weapons in his hands. “We have everything right here.”

[sumirprimus]

mani ovdje ruske propagande!

[agent_zero]

Ja sam vise stotina puta, za ovo komentara sto imam, napisao da je Putin zlocinac, monstrum, psihopata, najgore moguće smece od čovjeka. Kritikovao sam Rusiju i ruski despotski rezim vise nego svi vi zajedno sto vam je proradila lazna ljubav za Ukrajinu, a zapravo je u pozadini trauma iz prošlog rata pa se u Rusima vide Srbi.

Svi koji prate teme Sirija, Iran, Irak i Turska znaju da sam vise stotina puta rekao da je ruska vlast zlocinacka i bolesna. Osim prezira nista drugo nisam isporucio.

Samo ja ne mogu kao debil furati propagandu i lagati samog sebe. Ne mogu u sjevernokojeranskom maniru isticati samo jednu stranu medalje. Kamo sreće da se Ukrajina odbrani, ali ja ne mogu, kao neki ovdje, lagati samog sebe kada je situacija na terenu bitno drugacija.

Stani bolan, zar nisi ti uzdizao kurdijske vojnike do sedam nebesa i od pešmergi pravio nepobjedive vojnike? I sad fol neka objektivnost.

On od prvog upisa na temu pokušava da bude "objektivan" ali mu nešto ne ide

[agent_zero]

Jel Merkelica išta guknula oko ovoga svega u Ukrajini ili samo uživa u penziji?

Njemci su se zaželjeli izgleda ruske čizme u istočnom Berlinu.