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Professor Ehud Qimron: “Ministry of Health, it’s time to admit failure”

Professor Ehud Qimron, head of the Department of Microbiology and Immunology at Tel Aviv University and one of the leading Israeli immunologists, has written an open letter sharply criticizing the Israeli – and indeed global – management of the coronavirus pandemic.
Google translate, link na izvor u prilogu:
Ministry of Health, it’s time to admit failure
In the end, the truth will always be revealed, and the truth about the coronavirus policy is beginning to be revealed. When the destructive concepts collapse one by one, there is nothing left but to tell the experts who led the management of the pandemic – we told you so.

Two years late, you finally realize that a respiratory virus cannot be defeated and that any such attempt is doomed to fail. You do not admit it, because you have admitted almost no mistake in the last two years, but in retrospect it is clear that you have failed miserably in almost all of your actions, and even the media is already having a hard time covering your shame.

You refused to admit that the infection comes in waves that fade by themselves, despite years of observations and scientific knowledge. You insisted on attributing every decline of a wave solely to your actions, and so through false propaganda “you overcame the plague.” And again you defeated it, and again and again and again.

You refused to admit that mass testing is ineffective, despite your own contingency plans explicitly stating so (“Pandemic Influenza Health System Preparedness Plan, 2007”, p. 26).

You refused to admit that recovery is more protective than a vaccine, despite previous knowledge and observations showing that non-recovered vaccinated people are more likely to be infected than recovered people. You refused to admit that the vaccinated are contagious despite the observations. Based on this, you hoped to achieve herd immunity by vaccination — and you failed in that as well.

You insisted on ignoring the fact that the disease is dozens of times more dangerous for risk groups and older adults, than for young people who are not in risk groups, despite the knowledge that came from China as early as 2020.

You refused to adopt the “Barrington Declaration”, signed by more than 60,000 scientists and medical professionals, or other common sense programs. You chose to ridicule, slander, distort and discredit them. Instead of the right programs and people, you have chosen professionals who lack relevant training for pandemic management (physicists as chief government advisers, veterinarians, security officers, media personnel, and so on).

You have not set up an effective system for reporting side effects from the vaccines, and reports on side effects have even been deleted from your Facebook page. Doctors avoid linking side effects to the vaccine, lest you persecute them as you did with some of their colleagues. You have ignored many reports of changes in menstrual intensity and menstrual cycle times. You hid data that allows for objective and proper research (for example, you removed the data on passengers at Ben Gurion Airport). Instead, you chose to publish non-objective articles together with senior Pfizer executives on the effectiveness and safety of vaccines.

Irreversible damage to trust

However, from the heights of your hubris, you have also ignored the fact that in the end the truth will be revealed. And it begins to be revealed. The truth is that you have brought the public’s trust in you to an unprecedented low, and you have eroded your status as a source of authority. The truth is that you have burned hundreds of billions of shekels to no avail – for publishing intimidation, for ineffective tests, for destructive lockdowns and for disrupting the routine of life in the last two years.

You have destroyed the education of our children and their future. You made children feel guilty, scared, smoke, drink, get addicted, drop out, and quarrel, as school principals around the country attest. You have harmed livelihoods, the economy, human rights, mental health and physical health.

You slandered colleagues who did not surrender to you, you turned the people against each other, divided society and polarized the discourse. You branded, without any scientific basis, people who chose not to get vaccinated as enemies of the public and as spreaders of disease. You promote, in an unprecedented way, a draconian policy of discrimination, denial of rights and selection of people, including children, for their medical choice. A selection that lacks any epidemiological justification.

When you compare the destructive policies you are pursuing with the sane policies of some other countries — you can clearly see that the destruction you have caused has only added victims beyond the vulnerable to the virus. The economy you ruined, the unemployed you caused, and the children whose education you destroyed — they are the surplus victims as a result of your own actions only.

There is currently no medical emergency, but you have been cultivating such a condition for two years now because of lust for power, budgets and control. The only emergency now is that you still set policies and hold huge budgets for propaganda and psychological engineering instead of directing them to strengthen the health care system.

This emergency must stop!

Professor Udi Qimron, Faculty of Medicine, Tel Aviv University
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Dead Man Walking wrote: 13/01/2022 01:23
salik79 wrote: 12/01/2022 23:40

S tobom se ne slaze ni CEO Pfizera, a kamoli neko ko zivi u KS.

U jebote, zna li Malone za ovo? Jel primio booster ili je sad i on nezasticen? :-?
Sto bi ga prim'o kad i pfizerov CEO stidljivo priznaje da, haman, nikakvog hajra od njega nema. A stete ima, samo ce vam to kasnije priznati.
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salik79 wrote: 12/01/2022 23:40 S tobom se ne slaze ni CEO Pfizera, a kamoli neko ko zivi u KS.
Ne vadi iz konteksta. To je samo za omikron rekao.
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gamer4ever wrote: 13/01/2022 10:04
salik79 wrote: 12/01/2022 23:40 S tobom se ne slaze ni CEO Pfizera, a kamoli neko ko zivi u KS.
Ne vadi iz konteksta. To je samo za omikron rekao.
A omikron ne postaje dominantan?!

Btw, lagano se svi izvlace iz zacaranog kruga beskonacnog bocanja i "boosterovanja" svega sto hoda na dvije noge:
EMA: Ponovljene doze nisu održiva strategija

Uz omicron, pandemija covida-19 pretvara se u endemsku bolest s kojom čovječanstvo može živjeti, prema Europskoj agenciji za lijekove.


Svjetska zdravstvena organizacija (WHO) objavila je danas da je više od polovice ljudi u Europi na dobrom putu da se zarazi ovom verzijom u sljedeća dva mjeseca. Također je istaknula da ponovljene doze cjepiva nisu razumna strategija, kako je istaknula i Emma.

"Ako imamo strategiju u kojoj dajemo doze svaka četiri mjeseca, mogli bismo na kraju imati problema s imunološkim odgovorom", rekao je Cavaleri, dodajući da bi stalno cijepljenje moglo umoriti populaciju.

Zemlje bi umjesto toga trebale početi razmišljati o dužim intervalima za davanje doza doza i, poput sadašnjih cjepiva za cjepiva protiv gripe, uskladiti ih s početkom hladnijeg dijela godine, dodao je Cavaleri.
https://www.delo.si/novice/svet/ema-pon ... trategija/
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salik79 wrote: 13/01/2022 10:23
Btw, lagano se svi izvlace iz zacaranog kruga beskonacnog bocanja i "boosterovanja" svega sto hoda na dvije noge:
EMA: Ponovljene doze nisu održiva strategija

Uz omicron, pandemija covida-19 pretvara se u endemsku bolest s kojom čovječanstvo može živjeti, prema Europskoj agenciji za lijekove.


Svjetska zdravstvena organizacija (WHO) objavila je danas da je više od polovice ljudi u Europi na dobrom putu da se zarazi ovom verzijom u sljedeća dva mjeseca. Također je istaknula da ponovljene doze cjepiva nisu razumna strategija, kako je istaknula i Emma.

"Ako imamo strategiju u kojoj dajemo doze svaka četiri mjeseca, mogli bismo na kraju imati problema s imunološkim odgovorom", rekao je Cavaleri, dodajući da bi stalno cijepljenje moglo umoriti populaciju.

Zemlje bi umjesto toga trebale početi razmišljati o dužim intervalima za davanje doza doza i, poput sadašnjih cjepiva za cjepiva protiv gripe, uskladiti ih s početkom hladnijeg dijela godine, dodao je Cavaleri.
https://www.delo.si/novice/svet/ema-pon ... trategija/
Znači boosterovanje na godišnjem nivou, umjesto sadašnjeg polugodišnjeg?
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daddy-kool wrote: 13/01/2022 10:27
salik79 wrote: 13/01/2022 10:23
Btw, lagano se svi izvlace iz zacaranog kruga beskonacnog bocanja i "boosterovanja" svega sto hoda na dvije noge:

https://www.delo.si/novice/svet/ema-pon ... trategija/
Znači boosterovanje na godišnjem nivou, umjesto sadašnjeg polugodišnjeg?
Nije nerazumno. Nek i Salik nesto pametno kaze :thumbup:
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daddy-kool wrote: 13/01/2022 10:27
salik79 wrote: 13/01/2022 10:23
Btw, lagano se svi izvlace iz zacaranog kruga beskonacnog bocanja i "boosterovanja" svega sto hoda na dvije noge:

https://www.delo.si/novice/svet/ema-pon ... trategija/
Znači boosterovanje na godišnjem nivou, umjesto sadašnjeg polugodišnjeg?
I to samo za one koji zele, bas kao i za obicnu gripu.
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salik79 wrote: 13/01/2022 10:30
daddy-kool wrote: 13/01/2022 10:27

Znači boosterovanje na godišnjem nivou, umjesto sadašnjeg polugodišnjeg?
I to samo za one koji zele, bas kao i za obicnu gripu.
I sad je samo za one koji žele?
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daddy-kool wrote: 13/01/2022 10:39
salik79 wrote: 13/01/2022 10:30

I to samo za one koji zele, bas kao i za obicnu gripu.
I sad je samo za one koji žele?
Gdje?
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adsubzero wrote: 13/01/2022 10:28
daddy-kool wrote: 13/01/2022 10:27

Znači boosterovanje na godišnjem nivou, umjesto sadašnjeg polugodišnjeg?
Nije nerazumno. Nek i Salik nesto pametno kaze :thumbup:
:thumbup:

Salik je inače pametan lik, ali ga ponese.
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salik79 wrote: 13/01/2022 10:40
daddy-kool wrote: 13/01/2022 10:39

I sad je samo za one koji žele?
Gdje?
Kod mene u Bosni?

Gdje si ti?
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daddy-kool wrote: 13/01/2022 10:40
adsubzero wrote: 13/01/2022 10:28

Nije nerazumno. Nek i Salik nesto pametno kaze :thumbup:
:thumbup:

Salik je inače pametan lik, ali ga ponese.
Ne treba ti nikakav pametan lik da ti kaze da bi stalnim bustanjem svako 4-5 mjeseci unistio svoj imunitet za trajno.
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daddy-kool wrote: 13/01/2022 10:41
salik79 wrote: 13/01/2022 10:40

Gdje?
Kod mene u Bosni?
Kod nas jeste, posto im nismo toliko zanimljivi, a i zbog kompletnog ustrojstva zemlje. To je nasa sreca u nesreci. Ali, da nastave ovako, kad-tad, bi i mi dosli na red i bili zrtve ovoga ludila i vax-fasizma.
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spinel_ wrote: 13/01/2022 10:43
daddy-kool wrote: 13/01/2022 10:40

:thumbup:

Salik je inače pametan lik, ali ga ponese.
Ne treba ti nikakav pametan lik da ti kaze da bi stalnim bustanjem svako 4-5 mjeseci unistio svoj imunitet za trajno.
Ne znam toliko o imunom sistem, ali nisam siguran da je to istina. Ima li podataka iz Izraela gdje su se boostali sa 4. dozom da su uništili imununitet?
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daddy-kool wrote: 13/01/2022 10:44
spinel_ wrote: 13/01/2022 10:43

Ne treba ti nikakav pametan lik da ti kaze da bi stalnim bustanjem svako 4-5 mjeseci unistio svoj imunitet za trajno.
Ne znam toliko o imunom sistem, ali nisam siguran da je to istina. Ima li podataka iz Izraela gdje su se boostali sa 4. dozom da su uništili imununitet?
Imas iznad clanak vezan za Izrael. Procitaj.
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namiami wrote: 13/01/2022 10:45
daddy-kool wrote: 13/01/2022 10:41 Kod mene u Bosni?
Nije baš tako. AKo se ne vakcinišeš, vrijedi ti potvrda šest mjeseci. Nakon toga, testovi, pizdematerine i ostalo.
Ti testovi su više za slučaj putovanja, ali i tu možeš proći sa antigenskim.
Kod nas ne treba ni zašta ili se ne traži (bar moje isukstvo).
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salik79 wrote: 13/01/2022 10:45
daddy-kool wrote: 13/01/2022 10:44

Ne znam toliko o imunom sistem, ali nisam siguran da je to istina. Ima li podataka iz Izraela gdje su se boostali sa 4. dozom da su uništili imununitet?
Imas iznad clanak vezan za Izrael. Procitaj.
Ništa ba ona politička pisma, samo hard data.
Taman te pohvalim gore. :mrgreen:
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daddy-kool wrote: 13/01/2022 10:50
salik79 wrote: 13/01/2022 10:45

Imas iznad clanak vezan za Izrael. Procitaj.
Ništa ba ona politička pisma, samo hard data.
Taman te pohvalim gore. :mrgreen:
Covjek se referira upravo na to o cemu pricas, ako procitas - skontat ces ;-)

Osim ako ne smatras da je i on ravnozemljas...
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fox-69 wrote: 13/01/2022 10:26
Ovo zasluzuje da bude citirano i prevdeno na engleski:

IN ALMOST two years we – the press and the population – have been almost hypnoticly absorbed by the authorities' daily corona numbers.

WE'VE BEEN STARING. on the fluctuations of the numerical pendulum when it came to infected, hospitalized and died with corona. And we have been given the importance of the pendulum's smallest movements laid out by experts, politicians and authorities who have constantly warned us about the dormant corona monster under our beds. A monster just waiting for us to fall asleep so it can strike in the dead of night.

THE CONSTANT mental alert has worn out enormously on all of us. Therefore, we – the press – must also take stock of our own efforts. And we've failed.

WE DON'T HAVE it was enough at the garden gate when the authorities had to be asked for answers as to what it meant in concrete terms that people are hospitalized with corona and not because of corona. Because it makes a difference. A big difference. To be precise, the official hospitalization figures have been found to be 27 percent higher than the real figure for how many are in the hospital simply because they have corona. We only know now.

IT IS, OF COURSE, first and foremost, the authorities, which are responsible for informing the public correctly, accurately and honestly. The figures for how many people are sick and died of corona should have been published a long time ago, so we got the clearest picture of the monster under the bed.


ON THE WHOLE the messages of the authorities and politicians to the people of this historic crisis leave much to be desired. And that is why they lie as they have made when sections of the population lose confidence in them.

ANOTHER Example: Vaccines are consistently referred to as our 'super weapons'. And our hospitals are called 'super hospitals'. Nevertheless, these super hospitals are evidently under maximum pressure, even though almost the entire population is armed with a super weapon. Even children have been vaccinated on an enormous scale, which has not been done in our neighbouring countries.

THERE ARE OTHERS words something here that doesn't deserve the term 'super'. Whether it's the vaccines, the hospitals or a mixture of everything, each man's guess is. But the communication of those in power to the people deserves the term 'super' in any way. On the contrary.

Toliko o statistikama, sluzbenim izvjestajima i vakcinama...


Ali, znas, ravnozemljasi. :roll:
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Neka oni naplacuju kazne nevakcinisanim koji bi da rade i zaradjuju, da prehranjuju porodicu, a ovo moze proci...Naravno, samo ako su vakcinisani.

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SINDIKAT umirovljenika usprotivio se danas mogućnosti uvođenja obveznog cijepljenja za starije od 65 godina, nakon izjave ministra zdravstva Vilija Beroša otprije dva dana da se razmišlja o obveznom cijepljenju te dobne skupine, iz koje dolazi više umrlih od covida-19.

S obzirom na to da iz te skupine ima najviše umrlih te je prosječna dob do sada umrlih osoba 76.2 godine, ministar misli da bi se njih trebalo obvezno cijepiti jer pokušaj obvezivanja obiteljskih liječnika iz listopada 2021. da nazovu ili čak posjete sve svoje pacijente starije od 65 godina nije uspio.

No u odnosu na ostatak populacije, cijepljenost starijih od 60 godina je ipak relativno visoka te iznosi 78.5 posto, iako manju cijepljenost u EU imaju samo Bugarska, Rumunjska, Slovačka, Latvija i Estonija, navode iz sindikata.

Upravni odbor SUH-a stoga traži od Nacionalnog stožera da se suzdrži od uvođenja bilo kakvih prinudnih mjera kojima bi se starije od 65 godina obvezalo na cijepljenje protiv covida-19.

Protivi se ne samo stoga što bi se time diskriminiralo baš tu dobnu skupinu nego držeći kako je pravo svakog pojedinca odabir cijepljenja i cjepiva, uz punu odgovornost za vlastito zdravlje i zaštitu zdravlja drugih sugrađana.

SUH naglašava i kako još nisu iskorištene sve druge moguće mjere za poticanje cijepljenja starijih, kao npr. uvođenje mobilnih timova i obilazak ruralnih i urbanih područja te cijepljenje u mjestima prebivališta ili boravišta. Pritom apeliraju na sve starije osobe i umirovljenike da se, do otkrića djelotvornijih načina prevencije i liječenja od covida-19, cijepe, uz puno povjerenje spram dostignuća znanosti.
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Znaci, umrla od korone :roll: :-) :skoljka:
Kćerka poznate voditeljice umrla od posljedica korone
Prema pisanju "Mirrora", 18-godišnja Valentina Boskradin bila je zdrava i primila je dvije doze vakcine

Mlada brazilska manekenka Valentina Boskradin (Boscardin) preminula je od posljedica koronavirusa, a tužnu je vijest potvrdila njena majka, poznata voditeljica i bivša manekenka Marsia Boskardin (Marcia).

Prema pisanju "Mirrora", 18-godišnja Valentina bila je zdrava i primila je dvije doze vakcine, no prije sedam dana dobila je upalu pluća i trombozu nakon što je završila u bolnici.

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Joj, evo ga, vratio se. Sad će biti nebuloza na kubik.
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Point. wrote: 13/01/2022 06:02 Au pa sinoć bio pravi party na temi. Ljubitelji talibana, turkofili, rusofili, ajatolafili, veterina i kao šlag na tortu Cvrle u zajedničkoj borbi protiv mrskog Zapada i njegovog ugnjetavanja protiv slobodnog svijeta.

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