Gledali ste film, preporuĆite ga drugima

[_BataZiv_0809]

Svi nabrojani su zapravo tragicne licnosti. Slava, novac, moc, uticaj, sve ono o cemu vecina ljudi sanja, njima je unistilo zivote.

Veliki sam fan MJ, ali sam itekako svjestan da on nikada psihicki nije bio sav svoj. Zbog otetog djetinjstva je zauvijek ostao dijete (mentalno).

[dale cooper]

Leaving Neverland je poprilično mučan film za gledati.

[karanana]

da li je jedan ispaljeni metak ubio jednu i ranio drugu osobu ili se baldwin raspuco mislece da ovi sto padaju fejkuju?

i fakat otkud pravi metak/meci u pistolju, zar to nije najosnovniji sigurnosni check koji treba da se uradi.

[_BataZiv_0809]

Leaving Neverland je poprilično mučan film za gledati.

Znaci ne preporucujes ga jednom fanu MJ?

[dale cooper]

da li je jedan ispaljeni metak ubio jednu i ranio drugu osobu ili se baldwin raspuco mislece da ovi sto padaju fejkuju?

i fakat otkud pravi metak/meci u pistolju, zar to nije najosnovniji sigurnosni check koji treba da se uradi.

Alec Baldwin was filming a scene for a movie that required someone to fire a gun loaded with blanks, but when the gun discharged either shrapnel or a bullet hit 2 people on set ... one of whom had to be airlifted to a hospital.

[Tito_i_Partija]

Mozes li se sjetiti ko ga je popljuvao? Oni koji smatraju da jeste KRIV za optuzbe ili oni drugi

Pa evo recimo Corey Feldman, koji vec godinama tvrdi da je u Hollywoodu 80ih godina bila masovna pedofilija, koja je mentalno sjebala i njegovog najboljeg prijatelja Coreya Haima, izmedju ostalog tvrdi da on od Michaela nikad nije bio zlostavljan. I ne samo on, vec jos nekoliko njih koji su ga dobro poznavali.

American actor Corey Feldman, who knew Jackson as a child, called the documentary "one-sided" and said Jackson never approached him inappropriately. He later said that his comments "[weren't] meant in any way to question the validity of the victims". Feldman told Rolling Stone that his relationship with Jackson was "the standard grooming process that [Robson and Safechuck] describe ... everything was similar [to what happened to me] up until the sexual part." Singer Aaron Carter, a friend of Jackson as a child, said in 2019 "there was one thing that he did that was a little bit inappropriate"; after the release of Leaving Neverland, he said that the incident had not been sexual. He remembered Jackson as "an amazing guy" and said his accusers were "full of crap". Brett Barnes and American actor Macaulay Culkin, whom the documentary suggests replaced Robson and Safechuck when Jackson "pushed them out", also denied any inappropriate behavior from Jackson. Culkin restated that he had never seen inappropriate behavior from Jackson, and said he had "no reason to hold anything back" now that Jackson had died.

English singer Boy George expressed skepticism about the documentary: "It's just taken almost for granted that this is what happened and therefore we all should accept it." American singer Madonna, who was a friend of Jackson, told British Vogue: "I don't have a lynch-mob mentality, so in my mind, people are innocent until proven guilty ... Are there people asking for money, is there some kind of extortion thing happening?" Joey Fatone of NSYNC, who had worked with Robson at the 2001 MTV Video Music Awards, also expressed skepticism: "[At the time] it seemed like nothing was going on, that's the whole thing. To come out later on and have these repercussions, it's kind of weird and interesting because you never know what's true."

Jackson biographer Mike Smallcombe argued that Safechuck's claims of sexual abuse at Neverland's train station at age 10 during the 'honeymoon period' the abuse timeline (from 1988 to 1992) could not be true because the train station had not been built until he was at least 16 in 1994. Reed responded: "There seems to be no doubt about the station date. The date [the accusers] have wrong is the end of the abuse." He said that Safechuck was present at Neverland before and after the construction of the station and that it was "just one of the many locations where James remembers sexual activity taking place". However, this would contradict Safechuck's claim that his alleged abuse ended in 1992 because he got too old. Smallcombe dismissed Reed's response, and criticized the documentary for omitting the debts Robson and Safechuck allegedly owe Jackson's estate in court costs. Another Jackson biographer, J. Randy Taraborrelli, felt that Jackson's friendships with children were "weird", but saw nothing sexual about them; he said he would have felt that Robson and Safechuck were telling the truth "if it wasn't Michael they were talking about". Bill Whitfield, Jackson's former head of security, also disputed Robson's account that he and his wife visited Jackson at his home in Las Vegas in 2008, with Whitfield claiming that Robson never visited the property.

[no_sikiriki]

Leaving Neverland je poprilično mučan film za gledati.

Znaci ne preporucujes ga jednom fanu MJ?

ne ako i dalje zelis vjerovati u "nevinost" MJ-a.

[_BataZiv_0809]

Znaci ne preporucujes ga jednom fanu MJ?

ne ako i dalje zelis vjerovati u "nevinost" MJ-a.

Ne radi se o tome u sta ja zelim vjerovati ili ne. Zanima me samo je li film objektivan ili ne.

[dale cooper]

Leaving Neverland je poprilično mučan film za gledati.

Znaci ne preporucujes ga jednom fanu MJ?

Ne ako hoćeš da ti MJ ostane u dobrom sjećanju. Mislim, sve zavisi koliko neko vjeruje dvojici ljudi u filmu koji su bili žrtve. A prilično
su ubjedljivi i nisam siguran da bi i najveći skeptik mogao reći da glume i izmišljaju onakve stvari. Zato i kažem da je mučno za gledati.

I sam imam problem od gledanja tog filma pomiriti snagu i moć muzike i MJ-a kao umjetnika sa stvarima koje je radio. Jedno vrijeme
nisam ga mogao slušati, kasnije sam opet počeo. Michael Jackson je jednostavno prevelik dio pop kulture da bi ga bilo šta moglo srušiti.

[no_sikiriki]

ne ako i dalje zelis vjerovati u "nevinost" MJ-a.

Ne radi se o tome u sta ja zelim vjerovati ili ne. Zanima me samo je li film objektivan ili ne.

ne vidim kako takav film moze biti objektivan. dvojica ljudi govore o svojim iskustvima sa MJ-om. on nije tu da komentarise.
ja sam vjerovala da su to sve lazne optuzbe prije gledanja (dijelova) filma, sad vise ne mislim tako.

[_BataZiv_0809]

Znaci ne preporucujes ga jednom fanu MJ?

Ne ako hoćeš da ti MJ ostane u dobrom sjećanju. Mislim, sve zavisi koliko neko vjeruje dvojici ljudi u filmu koji su bili žrtve. A prilično
su ubjedljivi i nisam siguran da bi i najveći skeptik mogao reći da glume i izmišljaju onakve stvari. Zato i kažem da je mučno za gledati.

I sam imam problem od gledanja tog filma pomiriti snagu i moć muzike i MJ-a kao umjetnika sa stvarima koje je radio. Jedno vrijeme
nisam ga mogao slušati, kasnije sam opet počeo. Michael Jackson je jednostavno prevelik dio pop kulture da bi ga bilo šta moglo srušiti.

Pogledat cu. Alea icta est a ja sam fatalist.

Ne vjerujem nikome a priori. Ni njemu ni njegovim navodnim zrtvama.

A poznate licnosti su inace vrlo cesto jako neugodni ljudi, u sta sam se imao prilike i empirijski uvjeriti. Never meet your heroes je vrlo dobar savjet.

@no_sikiriki pa imamo li prilike cuti drugu stranu price?

[nekome]

ne ako i dalje zelis vjerovati u "nevinost" MJ-a.

Ne radi se o tome u sta ja zelim vjerovati ili ne. Zanima me samo je li film objektivan ili ne.

Nije. Film je fejk do jaja. Nisam gledao film ali jesam inserte i bas je ofirno pa se usudjujem tvrditi.
Source: ukucaj u youtube Collative Learning Leaving Neverland

[dale cooper]

Naravno da postoji i ova druga stvar. Michael Jackson je mrtav, a mrtva usta ne govore.

[nekome]

da li je jedan ispaljeni metak ubio jednu i ranio drugu osobu ili se baldwin raspuco mislece da ovi sto padaju fejkuju?

i fakat otkud pravi metak/meci u pistolju, zar to nije najosnovniji sigurnosni check koji treba da se uradi.

nije live metak vec debris u pistolju ili sta li vec, dok je corak to ispalio

[dale cooper]

Mozes li se sjetiti ko ga je popljuvao? Oni koji smatraju da jeste KRIV za optuzbe ili oni drugi

Pa evo recimo Corey Feldman, koji vec godinama tvrdi da je u Hollywoodu 80ih godina bila masovna pedofilija, koja je mentalno sjebala i njegovog najboljeg prijatelja Coreya Haima, izmedju ostalog tvrdi da on od Michaela nikad nije bio zlostavljan. I ne samo on, vec jos nekoliko njih koji su ga dobro poznavali.

American actor Corey Feldman, who knew Jackson as a child, called the documentary "one-sided" and said Jackson never approached him inappropriately. He later said that his comments "[weren't] meant in any way to question the validity of the victims". Feldman told Rolling Stone that his relationship with Jackson was "the standard grooming process that [Robson and Safechuck] describe ... everything was similar [to what happened to me] up until the sexual part." Singer Aaron Carter, a friend of Jackson as a child, said in 2019 "there was one thing that he did that was a little bit inappropriate"; after the release of Leaving Neverland, he said that the incident had not been sexual. He remembered Jackson as "an amazing guy" and said his accusers were "full of crap". Brett Barnes and American actor Macaulay Culkin, whom the documentary suggests replaced Robson and Safechuck when Jackson "pushed them out", also denied any inappropriate behavior from Jackson. Culkin restated that he had never seen inappropriate behavior from Jackson, and said he had "no reason to hold anything back" now that Jackson had died.

English singer Boy George expressed skepticism about the documentary: "It's just taken almost for granted that this is what happened and therefore we all should accept it." American singer Madonna, who was a friend of Jackson, told British Vogue: "I don't have a lynch-mob mentality, so in my mind, people are innocent until proven guilty ... Are there people asking for money, is there some kind of extortion thing happening?" Joey Fatone of NSYNC, who had worked with Robson at the 2001 MTV Video Music Awards, also expressed skepticism: "[At the time] it seemed like nothing was going on, that's the whole thing. To come out later on and have these repercussions, it's kind of weird and interesting because you never know what's true."

Jackson biographer Mike Smallcombe argued that Safechuck's claims of sexual abuse at Neverland's train station at age 10 during the 'honeymoon period' the abuse timeline (from 1988 to 1992) could not be true because the train station had not been built until he was at least 16 in 1994. Reed responded: "There seems to be no doubt about the station date. The date [the accusers] have wrong is the end of the abuse." He said that Safechuck was present at Neverland before and after the construction of the station and that it was "just one of the many locations where James remembers sexual activity taking place". However, this would contradict Safechuck's claim that his alleged abuse ended in 1992 because he got too old. Smallcombe dismissed Reed's response, and criticized the documentary for omitting the debts Robson and Safechuck allegedly owe Jackson's estate in court costs. Another Jackson biographer, J. Randy Taraborrelli, felt that Jackson's friendships with children were "weird", but saw nothing sexual about them; he said he would have felt that Robson and Safechuck were telling the truth "if it wasn't Michael they were talking about". Bill Whitfield, Jackson's former head of security, also disputed Robson's account that he and his wife visited Jackson at his home in Las Vegas in 2008, with Whitfield claiming that Robson never visited the property.

Nevezano za MJ-a, Feldman je nedavno optužio Charlie Sheena da je 80-tih silovao Corey Haima.

[_BataZiv_0809]

Ne radi se o tome u sta ja zelim vjerovati ili ne. Zanima me samo je li film objektivan ili ne.

Nije. Film je fejk do jaja. Nisam gledao film ali jesam inserte i bas je ofirno pa se usudjujem tvrditi.
Source: ukucaj u youtube Collative Learning Leaving Neverland

Snimljen je i kontra-dokumentarac sad vidjeh na wiki. Pogledat cu oboje.

[no_sikiriki]

Ne ako hoćeš da ti MJ ostane u dobrom sjećanju. Mislim, sve zavisi koliko neko vjeruje dvojici ljudi u filmu koji su bili žrtve. A prilično
su ubjedljivi i nisam siguran da bi i najveći skeptik mogao reći da glume i izmišljaju onakve stvari. Zato i kažem da je mučno za gledati.

I sam imam problem od gledanja tog filma pomiriti snagu i moć muzike i MJ-a kao umjetnika sa stvarima koje je radio. Jedno vrijeme
nisam ga mogao slušati, kasnije sam opet počeo. Michael Jackson je jednostavno prevelik dio pop kulture da bi ga bilo šta moglo srušiti.

Pogledat cu. Alea icta est a ja sam fatalist.

Ne vjerujem nikome a priori. Ni njemu ni njegovim navodnim zrtvama.

A poznate licnosti su inace vrlo cesto jako neugodni ljudi, u sta sam se imao prilike i empirijski uvjeriti. Never meet your heroes je vrlo dobar savjet.

@no_sikiriki pa imamo li prilike cuti drugu stranu price?

not really, zato i kazem da ne moze takav film biti objektivan. tako da je na tebi da vidis hoces li vjerovati ovoj dvojici likova ili ne. kao sto dale cooper rece, meni licno bi bilo tesko povjerovati da su lagali.

[smijesni_ste]

Evo i već spomenuti Macaulay Culkin kod Larry-a davne 2004. godine, kaže da mu se ništa nije desilo kod MJ-a, ko će ga znati šta je istina na kraju

[milejovic1971]

i da. pogledah onaj britney film na netflixu. film kao film nije nesto narocito, tipican netflix "dokumentarni" proizvod, ali je meni bio informativan jer ja veze nisam imala, ali ni najmanje, da se to s njom desava. u sve caveate, ono je kafkaesque nightmare.

odem na imdb uzet link da posaljem legici kad vidim tamo ga napljuvali - kaze lik, kome je ovo potrebno treba se zamisliti gdje zivi. sve opce poznate informacije. reko' :fisek:

imas temu dokumentarci, tamo sam i ja prokomentarisao....znao sam kroz sta prolazi, pisalo je godinama po novinama...strasnoooo

[milejovic1971]

Ne radi se o tome u sta ja zelim vjerovati ili ne. Zanima me samo je li film objektivan ili ne.

ne vidim kako takav film moze biti objektivan. dvojica ljudi govore o svojim iskustvima sa MJ-om. on nije tu da komentarise.
ja sam vjerovala da su to sve lazne optuzbe prije gledanja (dijelova) filma, sad vise ne mislim tako.

aloooo...ima li moderatora ???? pricate o dokumentarcima pobogu....

[ExNihilo]

@_BataZiv_0809

Eno Lap 76 specijal o Bondu.

Poslusao

A onaj Leaving Neverland u vezi Michael Jacksona ne znam, neki ga pohvalili a neki popljuvali.

Mozes li se sjetiti ko ga je popljuvao? Oni koji smatraju da jeste KRIV za optuzbe ili oni drugi

Jesi završio sa 20h smjene.

[ExNihilo]

ne vidim kako takav film moze biti objektivan. dvojica ljudi govore o svojim iskustvima sa MJ-om. on nije tu da komentarise.
ja sam vjerovala da su to sve lazne optuzbe prije gledanja (dijelova) filma, sad vise ne mislim tako.

aloooo...ima li moderatora ???? pricate o dokumentarcima pobogu....

I dokumentarac je film.

[FunkyzeitGames]

Dune obavezno pogledajte, Villneuve je majstor da napravi dobar kadar. Svaki mu možeš koristiti kao wallpaper.

[karanana]

ide duna veceras. je li previse komplikovan? sta mislite, hocu li se vratiti ovde ili na onu drugu temu i pitati pitanja?

[_BataZiv_0809]

Poslusao



Mozes li se sjetiti ko ga je popljuvao? Oni koji smatraju da jeste KRIV za optuzbe ili oni drugi

Jesi završio sa 20h smjene.

Nisam

Imam jos jednu zalbu zavrsiti, par sati posla.

Ali sad mogu raditi i forumati i gledati kvalifikacije, tisina oko mene

Jedino da mi kakav Fredi Kruger ne uleti