Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
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#50652 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Faze testiranja su znatno skraćene, zato se čekaju rezultati 2022 i 2023 godine.TamaraTaca wrote: ↑16/09/2021 19:49Nešto slabo tebi ide taj engleski. Kao što i piše u zaglavlju dokumenta sa Lanseta, ispitivanje je obavljeno u nekoliko faza, treća faza je obuhvatila 20000 učesnika.cvrčak_na_hedonizmu wrote: ↑16/09/2021 19:46 62 (1·3%) of 4902 individuals in the placebo group and 16 (0·1%) of 14 964 participants in the vaccine group had confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection from day 21 after first vaccine dose (the primary outcome).
rezultate dobili na cak 78 ispitanika i hopa, vakcinisi sve sto mozes. Iste ili slicne brojke su i kod ostalih, stotinu, dvjesto, tristo ljudi, zastita 70% - 80% - 90% i daj da vakcinisemo milijarde ljudi, vjerujte nam na rijec varijanta. Ima logike, realno
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#50654 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Ovo ustvari nije prava istina. Dizajniranje vakcina je bilo izuzetno brzo: moderna dizajnirana za 2 dana, biontech/pfizer za nekoliko sati, AZ/Oxford takođe tokom jednog vikenda. Ostatak vremena je potrošen na kontrolu kvalitete, testiranja u 3 faze u ljudskoj populaciji itd.
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#50655 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Gdje to piše?KraljicaIzJajca wrote: ↑17/09/2021 09:54Faze testiranja su znatno skraćene, zato se čekaju rezultati 2022 i 2023 godine.TamaraTaca wrote: ↑16/09/2021 19:49
Nešto slabo tebi ide taj engleski. Kao što i piše u zaglavlju dokumenta sa Lanseta, ispitivanje je obavljeno u nekoliko faza, treća faza je obuhvatila 20000 učesnika.
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#50656 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
U svim ozbiljnim naučnim izvorima.daddy-kool wrote: ↑17/09/2021 09:59Gdje to piše?KraljicaIzJajca wrote: ↑17/09/2021 09:54
Faze testiranja su znatno skraćene, zato se čekaju rezultati 2022 i 2023 godine.
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#50657 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Stavi link na bar jedan.
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#50658 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Vakcina se još uvijek testira, uživo.daddy-kool wrote: ↑17/09/2021 09:59Gdje to piše?KraljicaIzJajca wrote: ↑17/09/2021 09:54
Faze testiranja su znatno skraćene, zato se čekaju rezultati 2022 i 2023 godine.
I ja sam jedan od učesnika.
Direktno sa stranice proizvođača.
http://labeling.pfizer.com/ShowLabeling.aspx?id=14472
The possible side effects of the vaccine are still being studied in
clinical trials.
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#50659 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Npr. u odobrenju min. zdravlja Srbije. Navodi se i da je vakcIna eksperimentalna.daddy-kool wrote: ↑17/09/2021 09:59Gdje to piše?KraljicaIzJajca wrote: ↑17/09/2021 09:54
Faze testiranja su znatno skraćene, zato se čekaju rezultati 2022 i 2023 godine.
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#50660 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Ne pravi se lud.
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#50661 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Ima i ovdje korisnih informacija, također sa stranice proizvođača.
For Health Care Professionals:
Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 Vaccine Emergency Use Authorization Combined Full Prescribing Information and Fact Sheet
http://labeling.pfizer.com/ShowLabeling ... d=14471#S8
For Health Care Professionals:
Pfizer-BioNTech Covid-19 Vaccine Emergency Use Authorization Combined Full Prescribing Information and Fact Sheet
http://labeling.pfizer.com/ShowLabeling ... d=14471#S8
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#50662 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Piše da će pratiti da li će se pojaviti neke dodatne nus pojave, što je i logično. Ali gdje je spomenuta 2022 i 2023.Naslovnica wrote: ↑17/09/2021 10:02Vakcina se još uvijek testira, uživo.
I ja sam jedan od učesnika.
Direktno sa stranice proizvođača.
http://labeling.pfizer.com/ShowLabeling.aspx?id=14472
The possible side effects of the vaccine are still being studied in
clinical trials.
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#50663 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
To, samo Ministarstvo Zdravstva Srbije.Capljina74 wrote: ↑17/09/2021 10:02Npr. u odobrenju min. zdravlja Srbije. Navodi se i da je vakcIna eksperimentalna.
Oni su nam relevantni i referentna tačka.
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#50664 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
The possible side effects of the vaccine are still being studied in clinical trials - Moguće nuspojave cjepiva još se proučavaju nadaddy-kool wrote: ↑17/09/2021 10:06Piše da će pratiti da li će se pojaviti neke dodatne nus pojave, što je i logično. Ali gdje je spomenuta 2022 i 2023.Naslovnica wrote: ↑17/09/2021 10:02
Vakcina se još uvijek testira, uživo.
I ja sam jedan od učesnika.
Direktno sa stranice proizvođača.
http://labeling.pfizer.com/ShowLabeling.aspx?id=14472
The possible side effects of the vaccine are still being studied in
clinical trials.
7 Revised: 01 September 2021
kliničkim ispitivanjima.
Ne očekuješ valjda da ti neko da tačan datum završetka eksperimenta?
Do 2022 je ostalo još 106 dana.
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#50665 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Šta je problem?
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#50666 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Prati tok diskusije, ona iz jajca je spomenula:Naslovnica wrote: ↑17/09/2021 10:09The possible side effects of the vaccine are still being studied in clinical trials - Moguće nuspojave cjepiva još se proučavaju nadaddy-kool wrote: ↑17/09/2021 10:06
Piše da će pratiti da li će se pojaviti neke dodatne nus pojave, što je i logično. Ali gdje je spomenuta 2022 i 2023.
kliničkim ispitivanjima.
Ne očekuješ valjda da ti neko da tačan datum završetka eksperimenta?
Do 2022 je ostalo još 106 dana.
Faze testiranja su znatno skraćene, zato se čekaju rezultati 2022 i 2023 godine.
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#50667 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Zvaničan dokument!?daddy-kool wrote: ↑17/09/2021 10:07To, samo Ministarstvo Zdravstva Srbije.Capljina74 wrote: ↑17/09/2021 10:02
Npr. u odobrenju min. zdravlja Srbije. Navodi se i da je vakcIna eksperimentalna.
Oni su nam relevantni i referentna tačka.
Struka pisala.
slušajstruku
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#50668 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Although stage I and II of the clinical trials are
modest, stage III is a much bigger phase requiring a huge cohort in each investigational
setting. Whether the lead is safe or not is assessed in stage I trials, while stage II is reserved
for determining efficacy. The efficacy and safety are assessed on a much bigger scale in
stage III clinical trials, after which the regulatory bodies decide whether to approve or reject
the vaccine candidate. Although the hastening of this whole cycle might be attributable
to the seriousness of the COVID-19 pandemic, efficacy and safety should not, and were
not, undermined at any stage. Even after guidelines are changed to speed up the vaccine
production, it was still unrealistic to anticipate the development of safe and efficacious
vaccine inside a half year after the beginning of clinical trials. Further difficulties might be
confronted after a vaccine is approved for general use, particularly manufacturing at the
scale to vaccinate the entire world population. This would be more probable if increasing
the production includes new technologies that have not been tested beforehand.
https://www.mdpi.com › pdfPDF
Web results
Vaccine Development against COVID-19: Study from Pre-Clinical Phases to Clinical Trials and Global Use - MDPI
https://www.mdpi.com/journal/vaccines
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#50669 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Minisarstvo zdravstva Republike Srbije je zvanična instanca za odobrenje vakcine u Srbiji, bez njih se vakcina ne može koristiti na teritoriji RS, a Agencija za lijekove BiH je nadležna instanca za odobrenje u BiH.daddy-kool wrote: ↑17/09/2021 10:07To, samo Ministarstvo Zdravstva Srbije.Capljina74 wrote: ↑17/09/2021 10:02
Npr. u odobrenju min. zdravlja Srbije. Navodi se i da je vakcIna eksperimentalna.
Oni su nam relevantni i referentna tačka.
Ne znam šta je to toliko smiješno?
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#50670 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Da li ti tvrdiš da nisu završena klinička ispitvanja 3.faze? Gdje to piše za ove odobrene vakcine?KraljicaIzJajca wrote: ↑17/09/2021 10:13Although stage I and II of the clinical trials are
modest, stage III is a much bigger phase requiring a huge cohort in each investigational
setting. Whether the lead is safe or not is assessed in stage I trials, while stage II is reserved
for determining efficacy. The efficacy and safety are assessed on a much bigger scale in
stage III clinical trials, after which the regulatory bodies decide whether to approve or reject
the vaccine candidate. Although the hastening of this whole cycle might be attributable
to the seriousness of the COVID-19 pandemic, efficacy and safety should not, and were
not, undermined at any stage. Even after guidelines are changed to speed up the vaccine
production, it was still unrealistic to anticipate the development of safe and efficacious
vaccine inside a half year after the beginning of clinical trials. Further difficulties might be
confronted after a vaccine is approved for general use, particularly manufacturing at the
scale to vaccinate the entire world population. This would be more probable if increasing
the production includes new technologies that have not been tested beforehand.
https://www.mdpi.com › pdfPDF
Web results
Vaccine Development against COVID-19: Study from Pre-Clinical Phases to Clinical Trials and Global Use - MDPI
https://www.mdpi.com/journal/vaccines
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#50671 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Pratim tok diskusije.daddy-kool wrote: ↑17/09/2021 10:10Prati tok diskusije, ona iz jajca je spomenula:Naslovnica wrote: ↑17/09/2021 10:09
The possible side effects of the vaccine are still being studied in clinical trials - Moguće nuspojave cjepiva još se proučavaju na
kliničkim ispitivanjima.
Ne očekuješ valjda da ti neko da tačan datum završetka eksperimenta?
Do 2022 je ostalo još 106 dana.
Faze testiranja su znatno skraćene, zato se čekaju rezultati 2022 i 2023 godine.
Možda rezultati budu i ranije, ali to je vjerovatno taj neki okvirni period.
U svakom slučaju, vakcine se još uvijek testiraju - uživo.
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#50672 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Onda neka stavi neki link na agenciju za lijekove BiH. Kakva bolan Srbija i njihova ministarstva?Naslovnica wrote: ↑17/09/2021 10:14Minisarstvo zdravstva Republike Srbije je zvanična instanca za odobrenje vakcine u Srbiji, bez njih se vakcina ne može koristiti na teritoriji RS, a Agencija za lijekove BiH je nadležna instanca za odobrenje u BiH.daddy-kool wrote: ↑17/09/2021 10:07
To, samo Ministarstvo Zdravstva Srbije.
Oni su nam relevantni i referentna tačka.
Ne znam šta je to toliko smiješno?
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#50673 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Ama ljudi nemojte izmišljati.Naslovnica wrote: ↑17/09/2021 10:16Pratim tok diskusije.
Možda rezultati budu i ranije, ali to je vjerovatno taj neki okvirni period.
U svakom slučaju, vakcine se još uvijek testiraju - uživo.
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#50674 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Naslovnica je obrazložio, a ne znaš što podrazumijeva Emergency Use Authorization, naravno, da je cijepljenje odobreno znatno ranije, jer je vanredno stanje.daddy-kool wrote: ↑17/09/2021 10:14Da li ti tvrdiš da nisu završena klinička ispitvanja 3.faze? Gdje to piše za ove odobrene vakcine?KraljicaIzJajca wrote: ↑17/09/2021 10:13
Although stage I and II of the clinical trials are
modest, stage III is a much bigger phase requiring a huge cohort in each investigational
setting. Whether the lead is safe or not is assessed in stage I trials, while stage II is reserved
for determining efficacy. The efficacy and safety are assessed on a much bigger scale in
stage III clinical trials, after which the regulatory bodies decide whether to approve or reject
the vaccine candidate. Although the hastening of this whole cycle might be attributable
to the seriousness of the COVID-19 pandemic, efficacy and safety should not, and were
not, undermined at any stage. Even after guidelines are changed to speed up the vaccine
production, it was still unrealistic to anticipate the development of safe and efficacious
vaccine inside a half year after the beginning of clinical trials. Further difficulties might be
confronted after a vaccine is approved for general use, particularly manufacturing at the
scale to vaccinate the entire world population. This would be more probable if increasing
the production includes new technologies that have not been tested beforehand.
https://www.mdpi.com › pdfPDF
Web results
Vaccine Development against COVID-19: Study from Pre-Clinical Phases to Clinical Trials and Global Use - MDPI
https://www.mdpi.com/journal/vaccines
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#50675 Re: Novi korona virus - velika opasnost ili ne ? POGLEDATI PRVI POST!
Vidim da ti ne znaš.KraljicaIzJajca wrote: ↑17/09/2021 10:17Naslovnica je obrazložio, a ne znaš što podrazumijeva Emergency Use Authorization, naravno, da je cijepljenje odobreno znatno ranije, jer je vanredno stanje.daddy-kool wrote: ↑17/09/2021 10:14
Da li ti tvrdiš da nisu završena klinička ispitvanja 3.faze? Gdje to piše za ove odobrene vakcine?